Let me get this straight, Bernie's campaign steals data from the Clinton campaign

[itsrobert]

and Bernie Sanders is the victim?

How?

[Fawke Em]

4. Who the fuck cares?

Tired of seeing this idiotic post.

I want to grow the party and if that means some libertarians come over, so be it.

[MineralMan]

15. You appear to be posting this same thing in a number

of threads today. That's probably not a great idea, really. Just FYI.

[notadmblnd]

30. You're repeated post is considered spamming dude.

Spam is a violation of TOS. My advice to you is to "cut it out"

[jwirr]

2. If you want to get it straight you need to look at the facts.

No one stole anything.

[leftofcool]

7. Horse pucky! The logs show they did.

You need to catch up.

[Fawke Em]

12. No. The logs show they were documenting an exploit.

Why would you name your queries, "Not Sanders," if you wanted to hide what you were doing? That's like a bank robber walking into a bank with a sandwich sign that says, "I'm not a bank robber."



You need to catch up.

[Leftyforever]

51. +1

[itsrobert]

9. That's what my kids tell me

when they take the cookies. They were only borrowing them.

[demwing]

18. Smarmy, but irelevant

and if there was a theft, then why weren't Federal authorities called in? Why didn't the DNC let Sanders go to court? Why cave completely if they were ethically and legally in the better position?

[jwirr]

26. Wait and see - the law suit is still in place. There will be an

investigation of why a problem reported by the Sander's campaign in October was ignored. I'm willing to wait for the results. I trust my candidate.

[itsrobert]

29. Yes, wait for the investigation to reveal

absolutely nothing.

[cwydro]

10. Why did they fire that staffer then?

Seems obvious they thought he did something wrong.

[Fawke Em]

14. Zero tolerance policy.

It's pretty common to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

When kids get into a fight at school, both are suspended, even if one kid was only trying to defend himself against a bully. It sucks, but it's a standard policy.

[itsrobert]

23. So firing an innocent staffer is Bernie's policy

That's not really believable.

[highprincipleswork]

25. You love to call us naive, but really? That's so very believable.

[99th_Monkey]

56. If Bernie had NOT fired the staffer, you'd be screaming bloody murder that he should

get real ... Clintonistas, while sniping "why'd the staffer get fired?" out of
one side of their mouths, are simultaneously screaming that Bernie should
"fire 3-4 MORE staff" .. so which is it?

Which side of your mouth should I take seriously?

[WIProgressive88]

17. So, assuming the staffer was in the wrong, and was rightfully held accountable by the Sanders

campaign, why the constant whine from Hillary supporters?

[MineralMan]

3. That's what some are trying to sell.

It won't wash, though. Most people are smart enough to see through that.

[Fawke Em]

6. Um... most people ARE smart enough, that's why most believe

the DNC tried to do a number on Bernie.

I think that was evident by the thousands of calls to the DNC, the thousands who signed petitions and the dozens who protested the DNC's offices.

[MineralMan]

13. Thousands. Millions will be watching the debates.

DU is not representative of the population of this country. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

[Fawke Em]

16. If we're lucky.

That the debate is scheduled on a Saturday night that also happens to be opening weekend for "Star Wars" and the last shopping weekend before Christmas, we'll be lucky to get millions. Many think that was the plan.

[MineralMan]

19. I'm done with shopping, will wait for Star Wars,

and don't give a damn about football. I'll be watching the debate. Will you? Not everyone is tied up this evening, and most people are off work for the weekend. Saturday evening is a great time to air political debates, I think.

Viewership drops off from debate to debate. Many watch just one. But, there will be a few million watching tonight. Not "thousands."

Almost none of them are on political discussion forums. They want to hear from the candidates. Most do read newspapers or watch TV news, though. They're aware of the data thing. They'll be interested to hear how the candidates handle it.

If you watch, you'll find out, too. It should be fascinating.

[JaneyVee]

5. Blame the victim while playing the victim. Kudos, Bernie team.

[Fawke Em]

8. The vendor is to blame.

I can't help that the DNC hired a firm with close ties to Clinton.

[NuclearDem]

41. The only person to blame is the staffer.

He shouldn't have been accessing those files for any reason. His integrity was supposed to override their carelessness, and it didn't. As soon as he any sort of suspicion that confidential information had been compromised, he should have simply reported it to the vendor and left it at that, but since the Sanders campaign dress code seems to include some form of tinfoil, he went ahead and freelanced into that data.

The vendor didn't order him to access those files. That's entirely on him.

[Cali_Democrat]

43. It's like someone who opens a car door that isn't locked and steals stuff

from inside the car.

The thief is the one to blame.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

54. Democratic Operativers Have Close Ties To Prominent Democrats. Story at 11!

Seriously. This sounds foolish. One of the most prominent Democrats in the US is going to have ties to damn near everyone at the operational level of the party. To feign shock or outrage about this is intellectual bankruptcy.

[Lil Missy]

11. Yep. Absolutely irrational, isn't it?

I've been saying for quite a while now that DU has turned into la-la land.

[Cali_Democrat]

36. Yep. When do you think it happened?

I was very active here during the 2008 and 2012 elections.

I don't recall it ever being like this. In 2012, we prided ourselves on the fact we were rational while republicans were living in a bubble and unskewing the polls.

Now DUers are trying to unskew polls and attack Clinton for having her voter data stolen by Bernie's campaign. Somehow, Hillary is to blame for all this.

What the hell happened in a few short years?

I wonder how Skinner feels about this.

[Cha]

44. Yes because it mustn't be BS's fault.. nothing ever is...

Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files …

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/

[JTFrog]

49. "What the hell happened in a few short years?"

Lord of the Flies.

Thanks to the spectacular jury system.

[WIProgressive88]

20. The responsible staffer was fired by the campaign, and yet the DNC pressed on with draconian

measures clearly designed to hurt the Sanders campaign. I think any rational person can understand why Bernie supporters might be upset.

[Nonhlanhla]

21. I think it's because Hillary is a witch

or something.

At least that's the only logic I see in the crazy tinfoil hat conspiracies about how it's all Hillary's fault that Bernie's campaign people poked their noses in where it did not belong.

[Cha]

22. Yes, poor bernie is such a victim.

[arcane1]

28. He's inherently amoral too

[99th_Monkey]

24. Let me get this straight, DNC's data vendor, who happens to be DWS's nephew, screws-up

repeatedly, chronically.. leaving ALL candidates' data exposed for extended periods of time.

Then Sanders staffer discovers this, for SECOND time in 2 months, is alarmed and determined
to document exactly how bad the exposure is, so as to put an end to to the vendors incompetent
handling of the firewall.

What was the Sanders campaign supposed to do? They had ALREADY alerted the DNC (who
presumably told the vendor) once in October, and NOTHING was apparently done to correct
the situation 2 months later.

OK, a case can be made that the staffer 'should' have simply repeated himself to the DNC,
and alert them AGAIN, to a situation they had ALREADY been told about, and simply hope for
the best i.e. hope against hope that SANDERS DATA WAS NOT BEING STOLEN AS WELL, by
Clinton while DWS's nephew looked the other way.

Personally I am grateful this whole thing was a 24 hour brouhaha and did not drag out for weeks,
but I find it offensive and disingenuous for Clinton peeps to keep harping on this, since it has
apparently been resolved already. It serves no useful purpose, except to make the Democratic
Party look like idiots, which none of us really wants .. do we?

[JTFrog]

32. Quit repeating the lie about this guy being "her nephew".

Lots of people have been duped into believing a ridiculous anonymous jpeg found on the internet. None of the "sources" that stupid jpeg quoted said any of the things claimed about this guy being her "newphew".

She has a brother named Steve, not Keith as this lie claims. I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter

http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ssf/2011/12/forbes_30_under_30_list_featur.html

Aharon Wasserman credits his very large family, which includes aunt and Assemblywoman Celeste Riley, with helping him understand the way groups of people interact and work together on projects.

Not that I really expect the people doing this to stop.

[randys1]

27. GOP could not do this much damage to the Democratic Party if they tried, and they do, often.

Watching BOTH groups severely harm their own party.

[Phlem]

31. The willful mentall dishonesty Hillary supporters replying in this thread

just makes me want to vote for Bernie even more!

Go Bernie!!!!

If there was anything there why did the DNC reverse it's decision when the lawsuit came to the table. Because they had nothing, have nothing, and will lose everything.

But No! It's Aliens!!!

[JTFrog]

33. How about calling out some of your own....

You can start here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=923126

[Cha]

35. BS is pure.. so are his supporters.

[Phlem]

38. Oooh Nice!

So despondent! I think I might


Nah.....

[Cha]

55. The jury result on this post.. Hey Alerter.. the "BS" stands for bernie sanders.. if you don't like

his initials take it up with him.

BS is pure.. so are his supporters.
www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=923188

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling Sanders supporters bullshit is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, and otherwise inappropriate

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:25 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: BS stands for Bernie Sanders.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What hell are talking about, alerter? Are you referring to BS as bullshit because I'm certain that is not what Cha meant.

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter is making up shit. pathetic

Leave

[Phlem]

37. What about it?

Now you want me to refute what I know is true?




Hello, is anyone home?

[JTFrog]

39. Call out the lie for the lie that it is.

That would be a good start.

Lots of people have been duped into believing a ridiculous anonymous jpeg found on the internet. None of the "sources" that stupid jpeg quoted said any of the things claimed about this guy being her "newphew".

She has a brother named Steve, not Keith as this lie claims. I haven't seen anything that says she has a brother named Keith or a nephew named Aharon.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Family/
Shelby Schultz
Daughter
Jake Schultz
Son
Steve Wasserman
Brother
Larry Wasserman
Father
Ann Wasserman
Mother
Steve Schultz
Spouse
Rebecca Schultz
Daughter

http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ssf/2011/12/forbes_30_under_30_list_featur.html

Aharon Wasserman credits his very large family, which includes aunt and Assemblywoman Celeste Riley, with helping him understand the way groups of people interact and work together on projects.

Not that I really expect the people doing this to stop.

[Phlem]

42. Well if you've got all the details, let's let the lawsuit continue?

I'm sure Bernie will lose right?

[JTFrog]

45. I have no problem with the lawsuit at all.

I have a problem with the cognitive dissonance on display by the BS supporters here. I understand how painful it is to watch a hero fall, but it doesn't excuse the spreading of lies.

[Phlem]

47. "but it doesn't excuse the spreading of lies."

You don't say.

[itsrobert]

34. The way Bernie supporters are not accepting that Bernie's campaign stole data

is pushing me to support Hillary Clinton You guys lost a voter.

[Phlem]

40. Excellent and good for you. I'll be expecting more BS from you in the future.

[moobu2]

48. The Bernie Sanders campaign stole proprietary data from the Hillary Clinton campaign

through a firewall that had come down temporarily due to a glitch in the system. You following me so far?
Well, they got caught and the DNC cut the Bernie Sanders campaign off it's system which was the only leverage it had to make sure the Bernie Sanders campaign didn't retain any information it illegally took from the Hillary campaign and made records of. The DNC simply asked the Bernie Sanders campaign to account for the records they took and to assure them that they didn't retain anything that might give them an unfair advantage due to the theft and they would restore the Bernie Sanders campaign access to their system. The Bernie Sanders campaign finally complied with the DNC's request and then blamed everybody on the planet besides themselves and fundraised off it as well. Then the DNC restored the Bernie Sanders campaigns access and his followers have no idea what happened to this day.

[stonecutter357]

46. K&R!

[Liberal_in_LA]

50. That seems to be the case

[COLGATE4]

52. You have synthesized the issue very well. nt

[polichick]

53. You're not trying to get anything straight - far from it.