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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:13 PM Dec 2015

Will Hillary go after Bernie personally tonight?

My guess is "hammer and tongs".

And I wouldn't be surprised if O'Malley joined her.

I don't know if it's the politically advantageous thing for her to do, but it's not the honorable thing to do. Just the Clinton way.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Will Hillary go after Bernie personally tonight? (Original Post) cali Dec 2015 OP
Yesterday I said no firebrand80 Dec 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #29
If someone went into my unlocked house and stole my belongings Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #2
No. Agschmid Dec 2015 #3
At this juncture fredamae Dec 2015 #4
"The Clinton way" is to not steal data from other campaigns. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #5
The Clinton way is crony capitalism and corruption and lies. Decades of it. cali Dec 2015 #19
Hasn't he already done enough damage? Why pour salt in the wound? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #6
No. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #7
He's on the bottom, punching up at either Clinton or Sanders HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #13
Why should she bother? okasha Dec 2015 #8
Meh...why punch that far down? nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #9
Why let a substantive discussion go unsoiled right? nt Snotcicles Dec 2015 #23
The REAL question is: Will Bernie go after DWS and Hillary? Proserpina Dec 2015 #10
He said it was wrong. She goes after him bkkyosemite Dec 2015 #11
Nah I think Bernie is more Marquess of Queensberry. nt Snotcicles Dec 2015 #24
No emulatorloo Dec 2015 #12
As someone in IT for 35 years, and a neutral Democrat: I wouldn't. That will backfire big time! TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #14
^^^ this ^^^ Hiraeth Dec 2015 #28
I suspect she will Nyan Dec 2015 #15
I hope you are wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me LettuceSea Dec 2015 #16
Has There Ever Been a Primary Debate SDJay Dec 2015 #17
"IMHO, she should give a basic, slightly dismissive answer to the whole thing and leave it alone" MisterP Dec 2015 #22
I'm Not a Necessarily a Harsh Critic of Hers SDJay Dec 2015 #25
agan it's a bubble--they think that they won each of those flaps MisterP Dec 2015 #32
She will say that she can't comment okasha Dec 2015 #30
Let her try. Fearless Dec 2015 #18
The moderator willl bring it up. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #20
I sure hope so Nyan Dec 2015 #33
It would be foolish for her to do so NowSam Dec 2015 #21
I hope she does.... the best defense is a good offense applies Leftyforever Dec 2015 #26
Sanders is doing a solid job of going after himself. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #27
Why does anybody think she benefits from this? Trajan Dec 2015 #31
I hope she does and I expect Bernie to be prepared. morningfog Dec 2015 #34
Yes bigwillq Dec 2015 #35
Nope. She doesn't need to redstateblues Dec 2015 #36
That ain't what's going on. cali Dec 2015 #37

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
1. Yesterday I said no
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:15 PM
Dec 2015

The more I think about it, I think she will. It's too her advantage to have people think "well, all politicians have scandals, Bernie had that one data thing."

Response to firebrand80 (Reply #1)

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
3. No.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:17 PM
Dec 2015

No point, he is going after himself at this point.

He hasn't really been campaigning, his rally size has reduced, NH is a must win and he is just ahead.

At this point they are both their own worst enemies.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
4. At this juncture
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:17 PM
Dec 2015

she would be quite Foolish to do so. People are Leaving the Dem Party over this-People are Shifting from HRC to Sanders and he has raised a LOT of money Because of this.
So, IF they Don't want to re-energize calls for an investigation into HRC/DWS/DNC and make Cause to Boost Sanders Donations....Again....they maybe ought to rethink that strategy. In my opinion.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
7. No.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:25 PM
Dec 2015

Mods will bring it up. O'Malley will go after the DNC as he is on record about the number of debates.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. He's on the bottom, punching up at either Clinton or Sanders
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:28 PM
Dec 2015

raises him up to seem an equal opponent.

On the other hand, punching down looks bad. When Clinton isn't threatened she knows not to do that.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
10. The REAL question is: Will Bernie go after DWS and Hillary?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:26 PM
Dec 2015

and the answer is....the lawsuit continues. Bernie will go after them in the court of law, where it will do the most good, leave the greatest impression, and make change.

And he isn't going to take any guff, either. She can try, and suffer the consequences, if she's foolish enough to think there's anything to be gained by making herself look less.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
11. He said it was wrong. She goes after him
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:27 PM
Dec 2015

all he has to do is say...well the FBI is not investigating me!

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
12. No
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:27 PM
Dec 2015

Mods will bring it up. O'Malley will go after the DNC as he is on record about the number of debates.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
14. As someone in IT for 35 years, and a neutral Democrat: I wouldn't. That will backfire big time!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:29 PM
Dec 2015

.


Hillary is already under scrutiny for data breaches on a privately hosted server, while she was S.O.S..


If the case is made that the 'corrupt' Bernie team accessed data, from a computer system that is managed by a professional IT Firm, that would just highlight the susceptibility of the data that was housed on her locally hosted server--one managed by a single IT guy.


Just a hint: It takes a team of servers and a staff of people to properly secure a system, and even then, with poor protocols, lax quality assurance, miscommunications, poor system design, etc., stuff will still be breached. If you place that data on a public cloud server, you might as well post it on a highway billboard, because it's up for grabs by hackers.


IMHO, she would be a fool to raise this topic, as there will definitely be a response coming back.


.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
15. I suspect she will
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:29 PM
Dec 2015

I don't know about O'Malley though. I'm guessing he will choose not to. Since he's not so happy with DNC either.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
16. I hope you are wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:32 PM
Dec 2015

It would be incredibly counterproductive for her to do so, but for a career politician, her political instincts are pretty terrible.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
17. Has There Ever Been a Primary Debate
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:36 PM
Dec 2015

Where one of the candidates had pending litigation against his/her party? I don't know the answer, but I certainly don't remember such a circumstance.

It's going to come up - it almost has to. Hillary will define herself and her campaign in a lot of ways to the dozens of people who are actually watching on the last Saturday night before Christmas.

Then whatever happens will get totally lost in the vacuous news cycle that is next week, and only real devotees to the primary process will know or remember what happened.

Of course, it won't be lost on the repukes, so whatever Hillary decides to do it absolutely needs to be the correct choice.

IMHO, she should give a basic, slightly dismissive answer to the whole thing and leave it alone.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
22. "IMHO, she should give a basic, slightly dismissive answer to the whole thing and leave it alone"
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:58 PM
Dec 2015

isn't it weird that her harshest critics can run the campaign better than the people she's paying millions to do so? no floundering when asked on Wall Street, no hamfisted voter-database manipulation, no footmen with ropes, and above all no shrill intimations of felonies (which are immediately met with REAL, non-bullshit lawsuits)

of course, to us government collusion with the people defrauding us out of our homes and people broken by ridiculous wars are *issues*, things we face every day: to her they're networking and growth opportunities

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
25. I'm Not a Necessarily a Harsh Critic of Hers
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:09 PM
Dec 2015

I will vote for her if/when she becomes the nominee, but I do agree that it's very strange how she manages to step in it so often. You would have to think that after decades of this, she'd be more sick of constant scandals - fake or not - than almost anything else in the world. That's why I don't get why she doesn't just diffuse them as quickly as possible. I think her whole email fake scandal crap could've been brushed aside relatively quickly if she hadn't continued to dodge, hide the ball and stonewall, and that's just one example. If she jumps in with both feet on this, I'll be stunned. She of all people should know what it feels like to be the target of completely fabricated bullcrap.

Now, when it comes to DWS, I am most definitely a harsh critic. She's the reason I am currently unaffiliated. I will re-register as a D so I can vote in the CA primary on June 7, but on June 8 I will go back to unaffiliated and remain that way until there's new leadership at the DNC. DWS sets the whole standard for stepping in it at every possible turn.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
21. It would be foolish for her to do so
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:55 PM
Dec 2015

I believe it only brings her own email server scandals front and center again. I hope Bernie stays on message and brushes aside the smears from the Camp Clinton Schultz.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. Sanders is doing a solid job of going after himself.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

Over the last two weeks he has gone from fighting for things to fighting against everything. He left message and it ain't pretty.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
31. Why does anybody think she benefits from this?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:15 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie is personally blameless ...

She has been taking a BEATING in the electorate over this ...

What basis does she have to attack him? ...

This is completely backwards ... She'll be lucky if he doesn't shut down her campaign tonight

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
36. Nope. She doesn't need to
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:29 PM
Dec 2015

She's winning. She stays above the fray. If Bernie wants to be angry he will not look Presidential

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