Politico: "Sanders takes Clinton data then sues the DNC"

[pnwmom]

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/the-2016-blast/2015/12/sanders-takes-clinton-data-then-sues-the-dnc-211847

Sanders takes Clinton data, then sues the DNC

By Henry C. Jackson
12/18/15 06:14 PM EST


BERN NOTICE: POLITICO’s Gabriel Debenedetti and Annie Karni report: BERNIE SANDERS’ campaign on Friday sued the Democratic National Committee for suspending its access to the national voter database, saying the move threatens to undermine the Vermont senator's presidential run.

Even as the campaign admitted its staffers had inappropriately reviewed and saved Hillary Clinton campaign data made available as a result of a software error, it emphatically accused the DNC of sabotage and of blatantly favoring Clinton.

“The leadership of the Democratic National Committee is now actively attempting to undermine our campaign. This is unacceptable,” Sanders’ campaign manager Jeff Weaver said on the eve of the third Democratic debate.

“Individual leaders of the DNC can support Hillary Clinton in any way they want, but they are not going to sabotage our campaign — one of the strongest grassroots campaigns in modern history.”


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[Metric System]

1. The facts don't match the conspiracy theories put forth by Sanders supporters.

[Fawke Em]

28. #SeeYouInCourtDebbie

Bullshit

[questionseverything]

2. looking at the dnc handling of security seems like a good idea

The founder of vendor NGP VAN is Nathaniel Pearlman, who was chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. Pearlman supervised Bryan Pagliano as the 2008 Clinton campaign IT director
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/clinton/clintonorg.html
Pagliano went on to set up and manage Clinton’s private email server.
Pagliano pleaded the 5th when Hillary's emails and his role came under scrutiny.

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maybe we will get to see hc's 2nd IT guy plead the 5th

[pnwmom]

5. Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. Uretsky, the Sanders guy, is the only one

responsible for his own decision to exploit the software vulnerability he found, instead of reporting it.

[questionseverything]

8. he did report it in october

hc's servers troubles had nearly faded and now we find her 2008 IT guy, her guy supervising her plead the 5th guy is either totally incompetent or much worse but she gets him the dnc gig

i say lets go to court and get everything out in the open during discovery

[pnwmom]

9. That's irrelevant. Uretsky had no more right to exploit any vulnerability yesterday

than any other thief.

[questionseverything]

10. it is irrelevant that she surrounds herself with criminals and screw ups?

uretsky is gone, so why punish bernie's entire campaign?

why bring civil war to the party?

btw...you seem a little sanctimonious ,some geek looked at another geeks notes its not like it was illegal torture or something

[pnwmom]

12. All Bernie's campaign has to do is agree to cooperate with an independent audit

and provide a full accounting.

My, aren't you condescending. These were political people searching for key political data showing which voters the HRC campaign was targeting and why.

Not geeks having geeky fun.

[questionseverything]

14. what tech company does the dnc want to use for the "independent" audit?

The founder of vendor NGP VAN is Nathaniel Pearlman, who was chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. Pearlman supervised Bryan Pagliano as the 2008 Clinton campaign IT director
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/clinton/clintonorg.html
Pagliano went on to set up and manage Clinton’s private email server.
Pagliano pleaded the 5th when Hillary's emails and his role came under scrutiny.

[pnwmom]

15. Do you have a link showing that that he's supposed to be the independent auditor?

I haven't seen Wasserman say that.

[questionseverything]

16. ummm you said it

pnwmom (66,074 posts)
12. All Bernie's campaign has to do is agree to cooperate with an independent audit

and provide a full accounting.

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this has been fun but you make me dizzy

[pnwmom]

17. You're not making sense. I didn't name any particular person for the audit.

You just threw out a name for some reason.

[mythology]

18. What part of that says the vendor would do the audit?

Please be specific. Oh wait, it doesn't say that at all. You should apologize for your mistake.

[Fawke Em]

32. God... I just realized it.

Hillary fans really are as vulnerable to risk as GOPers!

You guys really are scared of everything!

Bernie WILL be president.

[pnwmom]

35. Uh-huh. And Uretsky said the reason he dug into Hillary's data was because HE

was so SCARED about what might happen to his data.

[Fawke Em]

38. It's called documentation.

Bernie WILL beat Hillary.

I love that!

[pnwmom]

39. No, he said he was scared. But if you don't believe him,

then join the club.

[Hekate]

57. Not scared of a damn thing except Ted Cruz. Certainly not afraid of BS tantrums. nt

[Fawke Em]

30. The Sanders guy who worked for Obama.

MMM... kay.

[pnwmom]

33. Ooooh! How many choices would there be for top computer guys with experience

working for Democratic national campaigns?

Probably not a whole lot.

But let's go with your hint of a theory. Why wasn't Bernie smart enough to pick up on this whole conspiracy possibility?

[Leftyforever]

51. you have no technical knowledge of what was done....

you are making up your own story.... this was not the first time the firewall went down... and on at least two of these occasions including this occasion it was the Sander's campaign who notified the dnc of the problem.... please use logic..it's fun

[Karma13612]

63. Now that Sander's camp has their data back,

I hope this affiliation between Pearlman and Pagliano is investigated further.

Not only does it look bad for the DNC to be using this firm, but it really exposes the shady affiliations that Clinton still insists on cultivating.

[questionseverything]

64. yes it is a perfect example of the revolving door corruption

n/t

[mwrguy]

3. get caught, try to turn tables

[workinclasszero]

6. Yeah

That scam won't last forever.

Not even till Iowa I bet.

[seabeyond]

4. Isn't it just crap. He disses our party for decades. Declares with our party to use our resources.

Complains about the party every step of the way, wants special privileges every step of the way, and now.... is pissed he can't have Clinton'd data. Threatening a law suit, right before the GE, when we need to be united, he tears apart.... WHILE using our resources and expecting our base to vote for him.

[Dawson Leery]

11. I am tempted

to support an actual registered Democrat for the Vermont 2018 Senate election.

[seabeyond]

13. Could be, if the Democrats decide to undue his privilege of NOT putting up a viable candidate so he

can win.

[Iliyah]

62. The honesty factor just flew out the window

[MohRokTah]

7. The Sanders Doctrine: If Bernie can't have the nomination, he'll BERN IT DOWN.

My initial assessment of his lack of character stands.

[Fawke Em]

34. You lost the election today.

You are just too stupid to realize it.

[MohRokTah]

37. Sanders lost the election Wednesday

That's why he threw the Hail Mary pass with the lawsuit.

[Fawke Em]

40. First, it wasn't a suit. It was injunctive relief.

Secondly... we just won: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-dnc-data-access-will-be-restored_5674e6cde4b014efe0d5aca2

The DNC caved. They had no answer.

[Cha]

60. Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem

Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files …

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/

[Number23]

19. That headline will be the way that the media and likely the majority of Democrats view this

And NONE of this is good for Sanders. Or the Democratic race.

[Chitown Kev]

20. How are YOU doing, 23?

This is all a hot mess.

[Number23]

21. Man, I am sitting here LITERALLY with my mouth hanging open.

And the denials, obfuscation and attempts to somehow blame Hillary, the man in the moon, flawed stem cells, everything IN THE WORLD but the Sanders campaign for this is just fucking SURREAL.

I didn't think it was possible for this web site to get even more separated from reality. And then I saw the "well, Bernie's campaign reported the security flaws in October so what's the fucking problem??!" posts.

Don't you wish black folks could get the benefit of the doubt like this?? "Officer, I told Ray Ray at the 7-11 that the security camera there was broken. So why ya'll coming after me just cause I went in KNOWING that camera was broke and stole a garden hose, 40 boxes of Ho Ho's and some Wet Wipes?? If they had fixed that shit when I told them about it, this wouldn't be no thang!"

[pnwmom]

23. +1000. n/t

[leftofcool]

24. OMG! You nail it every time!

[Chitown Kev]

25. When black folks do it, they're looting

but when Bernie's folks do it they're surviving...I guess....we KNOW how that goes.

Still...if this is the final straw and DWS gets kicked to the curb, I can't say that I would be mad about it...Miss Thing is too much of a diva for me.

[Chitown Kev]

26. i mean, the data manager wants to investigate

why the Sanders campaign had access to the data...

Uh, NO... I get that Uretsky LOOKS as if he could actually play Shaggy, but once you know that a breach has occurred, turn the matter over to your supervisors, get you and the crew into the Mystery Machine, and get the hell ON!

[pnwmom]

31. LOL

[Number23]

61. And Kev, in their infinite impotence, I mean wisdom, now a horde of furious Sanders supporters have

stormed Hillary Clinton's Facebook page and are shitting over her right and left. Because you know, all of this was her fault because... reasons.

NOW do you think he will try to reign in his supporters? Or has the cow left the barn so long ago there's no point??

[Fawke Em]

36. Yeah... I do.

Don't you wish your candidate cared?

She doesn't.

And, yet... you want to risk that.

[Number23]

42. I will rejoice when you get as tired of responding to me as I am of you doing so.

If indeed, that glorious, glorious day ever comes.

Nothing in your posts makes sense, as usual. And has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've written. As usual.

[joshcryer]

41. +1

This shit is as bad as the BLM bullshit. But I suspect it blows over a lot quicker.

[Number23]

43. If it was just the data breach and not the lawsuit, I'd be agreeing with you wholeheartedly

Unfortunately, the lawsuit adds an entirely different level to all of this and will make probably make this go on for a lot longer than it needs to.

[joshcryer]

48. But the lawsuit will take months.

And won't be resolved any time soon.

[Number23]

50. Josh, the media has been looking for any reason to stir the Dem primary's pot for months now

Hillary's numbers have actually grown stronger in the last few weeks. This "Dems in chaos" crap is exactly the angle they've been looking for and I'm willing to bet they will milk it for as long as they can.

These folks spent months on a missing plane. Day in, day out. People have already been fired over this and I'm sure that more will come. I don't think that this is a small story.

[joshcryer]

52. They will say it's a non-story unrelated to the campaigns.

Expect Sanders and Clinton to not be nasty to one another at the debate, etc.

The DNC has 21 days to respond, then you have several months for discovery, then the DNC has a good shot to get it dismissed over the "necessary measures" clause. It seems to me to be a small thing in the end, unrelated to the Clinton/Sanders campaign (though some Sanders "supporters" are pulling their hair out over it).

[Number23]

53. Well, I guess we'll see. And now we find out that the Sanders campaign has finally cooperated

with the DNC and been granted access to their files again. Which Sanders supporters here, of course, are saying is "Bernie looking injustice in the eye and not blinking" when this whole damn thing should have never even happened in the first place.

[joshcryer]

55. The best course would be to just drop the lawsuit.

But I think that Weaver has stepped in it and whoever is doing the advising has fallen for their own bubble. The supporters don't want the lawsuit dropped and if they drop it it will come off as a "loss" or as "weak" or whatever. It's all about imaging. So I give it only 50/50 odds they drop the lawsuit.

If the lawsuit is dropped it will be after a day or two cool down from the drama that way supporters don't feel let down.

[Fawke Em]

56. Months? We just won.

Bernie WILL be our next president.

Thanks for giving us press.

[joshcryer]

58. They have not dropped the suit.

There is more in the suit than getting access to the database back.

[Hekate]

54. No. 23, you gave me my first laugh of the entire day.

What do you think the Sanders campaign is gonna do with that garden hose?

[Number23]

59. God only knows, Hekate. God only knows...

[Cha]

45. That's what happened. bernie's team Sabotaged their own campaign so bernie sues the DNC

[Number23]

47. I always knew he deserved so much better than alot of his supporters

But I guess he deserved better than some of the folks working on his campaign too.

[Cha]

49. Then there's me.. after his dissing President Obama and disingenuously mischaracterizing

him I think he gets exactly what he deserves.

[Persondem]

22. Exactly. K & R nt

[Fawke Em]

27. Reality: We can't beat him... DEAN him! Even Dean's group voted for him.

I love this. I really, really, really do!

Bernie WILL be the next POTUS.

[Cha]

29. Of course they do.. after sabotaging their own campaign.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Poor, downtrodden, DNC. Tsk. Tsk.

[PowerToThePeople]

46. .

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