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brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:02 PM Dec 2015

If Hillary Clinton is such a hopeless candidate...

(she'll lose to Bernie; if she does win, the base won't be enthusiastic; Republicans will drag themselves to the polls to vote against her), why are politically saavy politicians, who's job is partly to understand politics so as to get elected, not recognizing that she's a loser and endorsing Bernie instead? Why have so many white, black, hispanic, liberal and moderate elected officials thrown in with Clinton?

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If Hillary Clinton is such a hopeless candidate... (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2015 OP
Something about fear. lol. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #1
So you're asking why the people who brought us 2014 making a poor decision. jeff47 Dec 2015 #2
Stockholm Syndrome? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #3
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #4
Because Hillary keeps a revenge list, and Bernie doesn't. Ino Dec 2015 #5
Yup in a nutshell- you said it not me. sonofspy777 Dec 2015 #6
and what? rtracey Dec 2015 #8
Elected Democrats fundraise for each other and endorse each other. Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #7

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
2. So you're asking why the people who brought us 2014 making a poor decision.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:08 PM
Dec 2015

Hrm.....gonna have to think about that for a while.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
4. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015


She has raised lots of money from her banker friends (among others) and lots of politically saavy people know how to get their slice of that pie. The pollsters and the media most of all.


The officials have thrown in because there is no down side. If she wins then they were aboard early and if she tanks they can switch to Bernie and look like king makers.






Ino

(3,366 posts)
5. Because Hillary keeps a revenge list, and Bernie doesn't.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015

There's no downside to not endorsing Bernie. He's not vindictive.

But one does not endorse Hillary at his/her own peril... and that's whether she wins or loses.

Cute story about Claire McCaskill, who endorsed Obama, but not surprisingly is endorsing Hillary this time...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

On one early draft of the hit list, each Democratic member of Congress was assigned a numerical grade from one to seven, with the most helpful to Hillary earning ones and the most treacherous drawing sevens. The set of sevens included Sens. John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Bob Casey, and Patrick Leahy, as well as Reps. Chris Van Hollen, Baron Hill, and Rob Andrews.

Yet even seven didn’t seem strong enough to quantify the betrayal of some onetime allies.

When the Clintons sat in judgment, Claire McCaskill got the seat closest to the fire. Bill and Hillary had gone all out for her when she ran for Senate in Missouri in 2006. But McCaskill seemed to forget that favor when NBC’s Tim Russert asked her whether Bill had been a great president, during a “Meet the Press” debate against then-Sen. Jim Talent in October 2006.

“He’s been a great leader,” McCaskill said of Bill, “but I don’t want my daughter near him.”

Instantly, McCaskill regretted her remark; the anguish brought her “to the point of epic tears,” according to a friend. She knew the comment had sounded much more deliberate than a forgivable slip of the tongue. So did Hillary, who immediately canceled a planned fundraiser for McCaskill.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/12/confidants-diary-clinton-wanted-to-keep-records-for-revenge/
Shortly before Hillary Clinton’s effort to pass health care reform died in the summer of 1994, the first lady asked a close friend and confidant for advice on “how best to preserve her general memories of the administration and of health care in particular.”

When asked why, according to the friend’s June 20, 1994, diary entry, Clinton said, “Revenge.”
 

sonofspy777

(360 posts)
6. Yup in a nutshell- you said it not me.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:22 PM
Dec 2015

(she'll lose to Bernie; if she does win, the base won't be enthusiastic; Republicans will drag themselves to the polls to vote against her),

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
8. and what?
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 05:01 PM
Dec 2015

and they won't for Bernie? The republicans are going to support him are they? what progressive, socialist (a most hated word in GOPland) section of the agenda will the right wingers support? the healthcare for all? (GOP response...too much money, raises taxes on our rich people) the free college? (GOP response...too much money, raises taxes on our rich people), the take wallstreet for a long ride
(leave the gun, take the canolies) (GOP response...too much money, raises taxes on our rich people). Getting Big Money Out of Politics and Restoring Democracy (the constitution was written by GOD) .....do you see my point? yes, no...... the right wingers are going to vote against ANY democrat.....

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
7. Elected Democrats fundraise for each other and endorse each other.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:25 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie Sanders was an Independent until recently, and so he did less of that than Hillary Clinton.

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