Only 22% of Democrats would feel enthusiastic if Hillary won the nomination.

[mhatrw]

Only 22% of Democrats would be enthusiastic if Hillary won the Democratic nomination. So that makes what, about 1 in 9 Americans enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporters?

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/886fdcf9-30c4-4b42-bf69-7abb6729418b.pdf

Can't our party do better?

[Thinkingabout]

1. No

[reformist2]

14. It's really only 7% of the country that are enthusiastic about Hillary. 22% * 33% ~ 7%

[yeoman6987]

103. Out of the 3, Hillary is way better for our country.

She's smart, experienced, reasoned, and quite frankly everything.

[Thinkingabout]

104. Yes, she is!!!

[pnwmom]

2. Same poll: only 59% of Dems view Bernie favorably vs. 73% for Hillary.

That a coupled with the fact that 80% of Dems would be satisfied or enthusiastic about her candidacy sounds pretty great to me.

[eridani]

10. The 63% like Sanders a lot better

No such thing as winning a general election without them.

[pnwmom]

11. What 63%? nt

%

[eridani]

12. The people eligible to vote in 2014 who didn't vote

Sanders is mobilizing a lot of alienated voters, and Clinton doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of attracting them.

[pnwmom]

35. Actually she does. She needs to mobilize the minority voters who reelected Obama.

And she has a lot better chance of doing that than Bernie does. Obama appointing her Secretary of State did a lot to heal the wounds of 2008. She has very strong minority support now.

[eridani]

109. I'm sure minority voters will support the War on Some Drugs that Clinton has been pushing

Also the huge increase of the minority jail population.

[pnwmom]

110. Apparently they're not holding her responsible for the actions of her husband

in the last century.

[eridani]

111. She's the one that wants to keep marijuana illegal

When Black people use it at similar rates as whites, and get jailed 7 times more often.

[pnwmom]

112. And yet if you look at her poll numbers with African Americans and Latinos

they seem willing to disregard that.

Apparently legal pot isn't the critical issue for many of them.

[eridani]

113. High rates of imprisonment of African Americans and Latinos is a huge issue

Clinton wants more of the same.

[pnwmom]

114. And yet the large majority support her. nt

[eridani]

115. name recognition leads to very shallow support n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. The one he or she imagined?

[Lil Missy]

28. Oh yes there is. Sorry.

There are far more votes in the middle than there are on the left fringe.

[tazkcmo]

49. And Indies favor Sanders

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/17/1422117/-Poll-of-Independents-Sanders-45-Trump-26-HRC-9

And Independents make up the majority of voters. Add that support to the Democrats and he wins. Add Republican cross over and he wins. Sec. Clinton is GOP enemy #1 just as Sec Clinton proudly claims the GOP her #1 enemy. A vote for Clinton in the primary is a vote for the Republican in the general.

[Lil Missy]

57. That is just delusional. We'll see on Super Tuesday.

[tazkcmo]

60. lol

Now the Scientific Polls are delusional?

[DaveT]

90. There's the rub

Sanders proposals are not the left fringe. They are the main stream.

The Big Money candidates of both parties are the Far Right Fringe. The so-called spectrum has shifted FAR to the Insane Right over the last 14 years.

The Sanders campaign is a return to what was normal from 1932 until September 11.

[DaveT]

3. Yes

And the previous posts are Exhibit A and Exhibit B in the case.

People who post on internet message boards to support their favored candidate are, pretty much by definition, "enthusiastic" about him or her. Look at the overwhelming majority of Hillary posts on this board and what do you see?

1. She is going to win. This is not a good argument for gaining support from other people, and offers exactly zero reason to support her.

2. She is "ready" to be President. Yuck. What a lame reason to support somebody, and in terms of attracting new support the argument is strictly from hunger. It is, as far as I can tell, the only positive argument on this board for voting for her.

3. The other guy can't win the general election. This is false. Due to demographics, any Democrat will be favored to beat any Republican. The Hillary supporters constantly -- and mendaciously -- conflate primary polling which still heavily favors Clinton nationally with general election polling which shows very little difference between the two leading Democrats, with a very slight edge to Sanders.


The only reason to support Hillary is a personal belief that the traditional values and policies of the Democratic Party can't win. If that were true, I'd support her, too. But that is clearly not true. And it is an example of the Stockholm Syndrome that the Hillary supporters keep repeating these lame arguments that are the antithesis of enthusiasm. They are pre-emptive surrender to the forces that have us mired in perpetual war and bankrupted the country.

The only real advantage that Hillary has is that she can raise money from big donors. Proud of that, are you? Enthusiastic about that?

[Divernan]

4. HRC is desperately spending her $$$ at an alarming (90%) burn rate!

This is as of the last quarter's report - can't WAIT to see the numbers after this current quarter.

Boston (CNN)Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign spent 90% of the money it raised over the last three months, campaign aides said Thursday, a staggeringly high figure for a political organization that has prided itself on being thrifty.

Aides announced Wednesday night that Clinton's campaign raised $28 million from July through September. . . . But on Thursday morning, a Clinton spokesman tweeted that the campaign currently has $32 million in the bank, meaning it spent nearly 90% of what it brought in. (T)he high burn rate has been fodder for Republicans, who gleefully highlighted that (Clinton) aides once bragged about how frugal the campaign would be.

Clinton's operation is far more expensive than the one being run by Bernie Sanders, her main opponent for the Democratic nomination. Sanders' campaign announced Wednesday night that it raised $25 million in the third quarter and ended with $25 million in the bank, giving the campaign a roughly 50% burn rate. The number is far higher than the 20% he spent in the second quarter, when he raised nearly $12 million, and shows that Sanders has started to spend money as his campaign has become more active.

"What it tells us is that Bernie has financial staying power," said Jeff Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager. "We have the financial wherewithal that will allow for a major campaign through Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada and beyond in state-by-state, delegate-by-delegate contests for the Democratic Party nomination."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-money-burn-rate/

[pnwmom]

6. Can you explain why he's better off? He raised 25 and now he has 25;

she raised 28 and now has 32.

So why is she worse off?

[NCTraveler]

26. One of the funniest bits of analysis I have read.

Maybe Sanders is putting his in a savings account.

[Divernan]

68. Took HRC 5 years to pay off $12 mill. debts from 2008 campaign

Yup! she went $ Twelve Million in the hole to vendors in her last campaign. Let's hope everyone's smart enough to demand payment in advance this time around.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/hillary-clinton-campaign-debt_n_2530528.html
Hillary Clinton Campaign Debt From 2008 Retired

[NCTraveler]

69. I'm glad Sanders is holding onto his funds. Great move I fully support. nt.

[Tote Life]

71. She has SuperPACs. I'm wondering how many of them are burning their cash in a significant way

now that the election season is in a full swing.

[Divernan]

77. Why push quadruple by-pass Bill to do 20 fundraisers this month?

Sounds like she's desperate to get her numbers up by the end of the quarter reporting deadline on fundraising.

He's like an old race horse - put him on the track and sound the starting bell and he'll run his heart out - literally.

They had him scheduled to do 3 in one day in Pennsylvania - Pittsburgh to Bethlehem to Scranton. He cancelled the middle one just the day before. At first I thought it was because of poor turnout of people signing up - now I'm wondering if it was his health.

Is that why Chelsea's hitting the fundraising trail in January? "Hey, Mom - back off of Dad! I'll do the damned fund-raising." If he was my Dad, that's what I'd say to her.

[tazkcmo]

51. "a staggeringly high figure for a political organization that has prided itself on being thrifty."

Thrifty on salaries (labor) like most corporations.

[Nitram]

65. Feeel the Burn! nt

[upaloopa]

108. She is setting up organizations and operations

In every crutial state with that money. She has been at it since 2014.

You guy decided to hold some mega events and can't break 30% support.
He is wasting his money

[gvstn]

5. Don't forget that she would be the first female/woman President.

There is a certain amount of automatic support for that and I would be one of them. I just don't like her. She is a DINO. No way around it. Bill was a DINO but just more likable/affable.

I will be hard pressed to pull the lever for Hillary. She won't actually support Democratic values.

I don't think any of the Republican candidates can win but Hillary is their next best option if they lose. She will do their bidding.
I knew Obama wasn't quite ready for Washington politics and the fact that he got nothing done in his first hundred days proved that true. Hillary is a bit more seasoned but I think she will not fight for what is right but instead try to make a deal that allows her to get some legislation passed with her name on it.

[pnwmom]

7. He was the first President in my lifetime, maybe in history, to have the Republican

House leader announce during his first week in office that their primary objective legislatively would be to obstruct anything he proposed.'

He was the first President who was denied any kind of "honeymoon" with the opposition.

So why are you blaming him and not Congress?

And why are you ignoring the extremely important stimulus bill that he got through Congress over a great deal of opposition?

[Scuba]

17. He had a Demcratic majority in the House and a super-majority in the Senate. Still ...

... what we got was the Republican's insurance profits boosting "healthcare" plan.

[pnwmom]

33. He did not. Not for a single day. Because one of that so-called super majority

was Senator Joe Lieberman, who had left the Democratic party when he lost his primary, and had won office as an Independent. And he enjoyed throwing a wrench into the works.

So we never had the 60 votes. And when Kennedy died we didn't even have 59.

[Scuba]

38. Wrong. He had a super majority until Kennedy died. Further, only 51 votes were needed to end ...

... the filibuster rule.

Now, imagine what Republicans would have done with that much control.

[pnwmom]

99. A super-majority is 60 votes, so you don't know what you are talking about.

Lieberman was #60 and he was an independent who was estranged from the Dems by that time.

[Mnpaul]

40. Lieberman was endorsed by Obama

"I know that some in the party have differences with Joe," Senator Obama said, all but silencing the crowd. "I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's the elephant in the room. And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

Then, with applause beginning to build, he finished the thought: "I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate." That time, people cheered loudly.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/04/02/164/90446/elections2006/Obama-Endorses-Lieberman-for-Senate

so you don't get to use Lieberman as an excuse. Obama could have supported a reliable Democrat but chose this jerk instead.

[gordyfl]

59. Now that you mention it

I remember Obama saying that. Lieberman betrayed the Party, yet Obama endorsed him. It had made no sense to me.

Joe Lieberman was very vocal in his opposition to the Public Option. If I'm not mistaken, Obama wasn't too keen on the Public Option, either.

Lieberman is from Connecticut, where insurance companies rule.

Lieberman was a big supporter of the Iraq War, and seemed chummy with Bush. I was expecting Lieberman to lose his election in CT. I was disappointed.

[pnwmom]

100. Doesn't matter. Obama obviously made a mistake to trust him. But the fact is we didn't have 60. n/t

[Divernan]

78. Bazinga! Care to admit how very wrong you were?

A calculator would help you count.

[pnwmom]

101. I can count. And there were 59 including Sanders. Lieberman made the 60th and he

was unreliable.

[ejbr]

22. There was this unfortunate

habit that he had of "negotiating" by starting off on their side of the issue, as if they would appreciate not meeting him halfway and not giving the Republicans cover in demonstrating Obama had to concede something during "negotiations" to their rabid supporters. If they didn't want to be voted out of office, they had "to be against" what they were already noted to be for. This is why progressives would go nuts with many of his milk toast deals; he gave no room for the requisite compromise. That, plus his chief of staff, Rahm, calling progressives fucking retarded did not warm us to his earnestness in working for us too,

But I digress, what was this post about?

[gvstn]

27. I'm not blaming him.

I knew from the start when he suddenly overtook Hillary that he was not ready for Washington politics. He was a good guy like Jimmy Carter.

I have never seen a President more disrespected than Obama. It is disgusting. Every President gets at least a hundred days before being questioned about his agenda. Basic Respect for the newly elected President. Barack was attacked well before he was actually inaugurated. Disgusting!

[MBS]

67. Well said, thanks. n/t

[a la izquierda]

8. I'm a woman and I don't like her.

I can't wait until the primaries are over.

[Hepburn]

84. I am a woman her age and I cannot stand her.

I could not care less about the gender of the next POTUS. I want someone who identifies with me and not the 1%. Hillary is NOT someone who gives a damn about me or the kind of problems people like me have.

[a la izquierda]

93. Agreed on all you've said nt

[beam me up scottie]

9. Well said.

If she's the nominee and wins the ge I won't be shedding any tears of joy like I did when Obama was elected.

I'm sure I'll feel relieved but honestly, when your campaign slogan is "Hillary 2016: Because she's not a Republican" how much excitement am I supposed to muster?

She won't fight for us like Bernie or Martin would.

[riversedge]

47. YOU and others just made up that vile campaign 'slogan' and you know it. Shameful

[beam me up scottie]

50. Vile?

I thought it was creative and spot on, not to mention funny.

I'm so ashamed.

Bad me.

[Divernan]

56. The sense of humor goes fast when they get desperate.

[beam me up scottie]

58. Honestly I'm surprised no one alerted on it yet.

But the day is still young.

[Divernan]

61. Some have been markedly sluggish today on the vapid responses too.

Maybe the rumors of financial distress are true, and the checks weren't in the mail?

[Tote Life]

72. Oh now we're Ms. Perfect, aren't we?

I like the slogan, because that's the brutal truth, friend.

[Bryce Butler]

83. Alert results

On Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:34 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Well said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=904805

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Hillary 2016: Because she's not a Republican"

So sick of the daily democrat bashing here. This is completely inappropriate for DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:41 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: THIS was alert worthy??!! Come on now.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing about this post that is controversial. Get over yourself.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: everyone knows Hillary is a Republican. I don't see the problem. Cant wait until Bernie wins and the 1% are broke
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not hide worthy
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a Hillary supporter, but I don't see any reason why this post warrants a hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[beam me up scottie]

85. I knew it! Good jury!

Thank you!

[CountAllVotes]

16. +1

You said it. Thank you.

[Divernan]

19. I'm a female lawyer of her generation & don't respect her.

Last edited Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:46 AM - Edit history (1)

One of my kids was on Bill's first inaugural committee (and also worked for the DNC back in the 90's). I was a huge Clinton supporter and was thrilled to attend the VIP activities at his first inauguration. He lost me with l'affaire Lewinsky and being caught lying about it under oath, and then I began a decades long, critical evaluation of the Clintons' personal and professional lives, both before and after their marriage. A lot of documented, verified information is readily available via the internet that wasn't available back in the 90's.

According to published accounts quoting both Bill and her, she had a physically and emotionally abusive father. She was able, nonetheless, to achieve academically, ending with obtaining an Ivy law degree. However (and this only came out decades after the fact - she kept this secret from even her few close friends), it was after she failed the DC bar exam but passed the much easier Arkansas bar exam, that she decided to move to Arkansas and cast her lot with Bill. I wish to point out that some very fine lawyers have failed bar exams and had to retake them. My supervising/partner at my first law firm job failed the bar twice before passing, but ended up as a well-respected trial lawyer - even elected president of the Academy of Trial Lawyers in our area. But he, and all those others who had to retake a bar, had the self-confidence to weather a setback, and yes, some embarrassment at the time, and try again. This is a prime example of HRC being unable to admit an error or failure of any kind - and why she keeps doubling down. She is driven to win at any cost.

Her decision to leave DC and move to Arkansas was also doubtlessly influenced by her ignominious departure (as a researcher/NOT a licensed attorney) from the Congressional committee investigating Watergate. She "lost/misplaced" court records so she could submit a brief ignoring critical legal precedents documented in said missing court records. Flash forward to the Ken Starr/Whitewater debacle. HRC's billing records for her work as a partner in the Rose law firm - admittedly last known to be in her possession - were "lost" for 2 years. She was advised at the time, by high level Democrats/attorneys to comply with the subpoena, but she refused. Then, mirabile dictu! - after 2 years of defying the subpoena, the missing files appeared on a table next to the door to her office in the White House. If she had turned these records over to Starr when subpoenaed to do so, his investigation would have been finished MONTHS before Monica Lewinsky came onto the scene. Flash forward again - she arbitrarily and unilaterally ordered (electronically "lost&quot thousands of emails to be deleted from her SOS email account.

I'm not going to repost everything documenting her nuclear, pull-out-all-the-stops, bully-the-rape-victim, pro bono defense of a man she believed to be guilty of raping a 12 year old, or her vote for cluster bombs, her actions as SOS favoring corporations and foreign countries who gave $$$ to the Clinton Foundation, her laughter and joking about illegal assassinations. If anyone wants links, feel free to go to my DU Journal entries.

Time after time, HRC has demonstrated her contempt for the rule of law.

After decades of observing her, I conclude she has squandered her great potential in favor of her personal advancement. She remains her own worst enemy and she will be ours if she makes it to the Oval office with her pro-war, pro-MIC, pro-Wall Street agenda.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Thank you. Great post!

You nailed it. Being the first female President is not a reason to vote for someone - especially someone like her. Which is unfortunate because I would like to see a female president in my lifetime and now know I probably won't. She's not going to win the GE should she, by some miracle, be the nominee. Millennials won't vote for her, Independents won't vote for her and many, many women won't vote for her (just because she's a female). Most women are smarter than that and vote on the ISSUES.


pro-war, pro-MIC, pro-Wall Street agenda? I don't think so. She's trying too hard to earn the RIGHT WING vote, instead of the PROGRESSIVE vote. She has to EARN my vote and so far, she's not even close.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[tazkcmo]

53. Smears!!!!!!

"I'm not going to repost everything documenting her nuclear, pull-out-all-the-stops, bully-the-rape-victim, pro bono defense of a man she believed to be guilty of raping a 12 year old, or her vote for cluster bombs, her actions as SOS favoring corporations and foreign countries who gave $$$ to the Clinton Foundation, her laughter and joking about illegal assassinations. If anyone wants links, feel free to go to my DU Journal entries."

You can't post Sec. Clinton's history of her own actions! It's smearing! (sarcasm)

[Divernan]

55. That's the long-standing definition of truth by you-know-who's fans.

[Hepburn]

86. I am a retired female lawyer, a few months younger than Hillary

Yep, she had potential...that was then, not so much now. With her, IMO, it is Hillary first, last and always. I don't trust her and I find her to be way, way too far right. I liked Bill Clinton and still do...he is charming and warm and even with all of the scandals associated with him, he is still likable. Hillary is cold and calculating. Whatever advances her personally appears to be her position on a specific issue at a given point in time. If the winds change, so does Hillary. Excuse me...I meant to say she "evolves."

Great post and thank you...I totally appreciate the precise facts used and your reasoning.

JMHO

[Divernan]

91. Now I know why I've always liked your posts, Hepburn!

You think, and write, with a legally trained mind!

[Hepburn]

92. Thank you...and might I say the same for you!

Nice to make your acquaintance!

Right now, even tho retired, I am in a law office doing some ghost writing on a few briefs and mx opps for a fellow atty who is taking a European vacation. Hope he is having a wonderful time! I still like to keep my hand in it... I like staying current and the only way to do that is to keep on keeping on!

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. Bunk...

Utter crap.

[Tote Life]

73. That's it?

Just a hmpf and a dismissal noise?

No counter argument? What a wonderful way to represent your candidate.

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. its all it deserves...

[Tote Life]

75. If that's how Clinton and her supporters wants to handle it

Not a very good way to win over undecided voters. We still need to hear arguments about why we should go to Clinton instead of Sanders. I live in a caucus state ready to vote on Super Tuesday. I am that firewall Clinton keeps boasting that will doom Sanders on Super Tuesday.

Clinton hasn't impressed me. Sanders has impressed me, but I want to see how he does in Iowa and New Hampshire. If he does extraordinarily well, then I'm more than ready to back Sanders. If Clinton wins Iowa and NH, then I've got be convinced that Clinton is still worth it. Like I said, Clinton hasn't impressed me. All I'm saying, impress me. Give me that counterargument that I'm looking for.

Air of dismissals from her supporters without any counter arguments are showing something different about Clinton and her supporters.

[VanillaRhapsody]

76. I don't know...I don't speak for her...

How many "undecideds" are left?

Not nearly enough of them to overcome Hillary Clinton!

[Divernan]

79. Some "support" is "counted" by # of posts, not # of words.

if you get my drift.

[Le Taz Hot]

20. Very good post.

[drynberg]

13. Ahhh, not exactly, more like 2 in 9, still less than 1/4, or small.

[djean111]

15. "Can't our party do better?"

The party is doing just fine for the big money that has taken it over. What the rest of us think is actually irrelevant, because they operate on the contemptuous "who else they gonna vote for" rule.

[Fuddnik]

29. We are doing better. Bernie Sanders!

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Oh noes....

You dont resemble the majority of Democrats..

[Le Taz Hot]

18. THIS is a problem.

If, against all odds, Trump actually makes it to the nomination (I still have serious doubts), his supporters are rabid, and I mean RABID Clinton haters. If only 22% of your base is enthusiastic about the candidate you've got a HUGE problem. Under any other conditions, the DNC would be scrambling for a different horse to back, but they've painted themselves into a corner. They were so confident that Clinton could buy her way to the nomination they forgot that elections take boots on the ground and that takes enthusiasm for the candidate. This is boding VERY bad for the Democrats.

Bernie, however . . .

[pnwmom]

36. They will hate Russian-honeymooning Bernie as much as they hate Obama and Hillary.

The other side will make up outrageous lies and the haters will believe.

[beam me up scottie]

39. The other side? Hillary supporters have been hating Bernie for months.

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped, racist, gun nut, scheming little sneak, drooling, sweating old fool, scumbag, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies, thinks that orgasms prevent cancer, wants the guns in the streets, and is supported by Stormfront*.














*note to jury: last time I posted this it was alerted on for linking to other posts, the alerter claimed it's against the tos.

They were wrong, I checked.

Thank you.

[tazkcmo]

54. The polls don't back you up.

The Scientific Polls show Sanders beating the Republican candidates by greater margins than Sanders.

[pnwmom]

98. The polls today don't reflect the smear job that will come in the future.

The Rethugs haven't been wasting their time or money going after Bernie.

[jeff47]

82. All Republicans are rabid Clinton haters.

The Republicans have spent 20 years convincing their base Clinton is Satan incarnate. Am I the only one who remembers the 1993 bumper sticker, "I didn't vote for Clinton...or her husband"?

It doesn't have to be Trump to tap this hatred. Every Republican candidate will have it behind them if Clinton is the nominee. Every single Republican and Republican-leaning independent will vote in order to vote against her.

To counter that, we would need every single Democrat and Democratic-leaning independent to vote for her. And 22% means that is not going to happen.

[Le Taz Hot]

88. No argument here.

The Party Faithful keep downplaying the Enthusiasm Gap and when asked about it we're told that the "serious people" (you know, the ones that don't participate in online polls) will show up in magical numbers that will be enough to carry her to the White House. But I'm betting the campaign knows differently. They keep sending out the same meme (thank you MSM for echoing that meme for them) that all is right in their world but they HAVE to be worried with those numbers added to her over 50% disapproval rating. If they're not worried they're party-blind idiots too stupid to run a serious campaign.

[stonecutter357]

21. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251904503

[Politicsandhiphop]

23. Interesting

[NCTraveler]

24. I really don't know.

What percentage of dens would be enthusiastic if Sanders is the nominee?

[lobodons]

25. a hundred zillion%

But yet 100 zillion percent of Americans would be enthusiastic that the GOP did not win the presidency, thanks Hillary!!!!!

[bowens43]

30. Most democrats I know will pass on voting for president if hill is the nominee.

[NurseJackie]

32. Most that I know are very enthusiastic about her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Most Democrats I know would walk through a Cat 5 hurricane to vote for her.

[get the red out]

31. I wouldn't be enthusiastic

But I would be relieved that we had a President who was neither a Theocrat nor a lunatic.

[merrily]

34. !Si, podemos!

[Vattel]

44. lamentablemente, no haremos

[merrily]

62. I don't have enough Spanish for this explanation, so here goes in ingles:

The OP ends with the question "Can't our party do better?," to which I replied "!Si, podemos!

Our party can do better than Hillary and, IMO, has, in the person of Bernie Sanders. Also, in my opinion, in the person of Martin O'Malley, also better than Hillary. Whether voters will do better is another pregunta.

[Vattel]

105. I agree (in spanish: de acuerdo)

[merrily]

106. Good. I loves me some agreement.

[pengu]

37. I'd be enthusiastic if Clinton won

Enthusiastic to re-register as an indie.

[peacebird]

102. I would enthusiastically register as an independent as well

[Vinca]

45. This is why I'm worried about Hillary in the general.

If it's a "mid-term" turnout, we're toast.

[bigwillq]

52. I'm part of the 78 percent

But if Hillary won, I would be cool with it. Just wouldn't be overly enthusiastic.

[firebrand80]

63. I'm writing "ENTHUSIASTIC!" at the bottom of my ballot

[Skidmore]

81. Knock yourself out.

Great way to void your ballot.

[Hepburn]

87. My exact thought...

....but I hope this Hillary supporter passes this along to other HRC supporters for use in the primaries!

[Skidmore]

89. I hope that voter took my admonition, if they are indeed

a Hillary supporter, since I am one also. Frankly, I'm not convinced he/she is.

[gordyfl]

64. My Nephew is "Feeling th Bern"

My nephew sent me an email a couple of weeks ago stating that he and his wife will be registering as Democrats for the - first time ever, just so they can vote for Bernie. To me, that's enthusiasm.
I know they voted for Obama in '08 because they gave me "Audacity of Hope" as a Christmas gift.
Although they were enthused about Obama, they had still remained registered Independents and didn't vote in the Primary in '08. Bernie has lit a fire under them.

[Nitram]

66. "Happy" suits me.

Enthusiastic is nice, but not very long-lived in most cases. I suspect enthusiasm usually burns brightest in the breast of youth.

[Tote Life]

70. Combined with 6% Independent support and marginal Republican support

Clinton is already dead in the water if she gets the nomination. Bernie does not. It's that obvious who Americans should trust and vote for.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

94. People will be plenty enthusiastic about Hillary (if she wins the nomination)

once she is matched up against the eventual Republican nominee IMHO. Some people here seem to quick to assume that these poll results mean anything terribly significant this far out. We're still a few months before we even know for sure whom the nominees for each party will be and very few people are paying attention. Democratic voters will make their wishes plainly known in the primaries.

[YoungDemCA]

96. +1. In primary season, things are (or appear to be) more in flux

That doesn't change the fundamentals of the race, however. When it comes down to it, voters will make up their minds during general election season.

[YoungDemCA]

95. I don't care how enthusiastic voters are, I just care that they vote and continue to participate

We saw what happened with how many people were enthusiastic about Obama in 2008, but when it was time to actually govern, most people went home and acted like the work was over.

[MisterP]

97. it's DWS: they're okay with losing big as long as they can blame the base

for "not turning out"

meanwhile every DUer and Kosack could've brought 5 people to the polls and it wouldn't have made a difference, because the race was between two sorts of disgusting

[NCTraveler]

107. That's that is this years party base.

Pretty sizable group for the base. Get this, the base of the party is almost as large as all of Sanders support.

[Zynx]

116. Is Sanders's level a lot higher?

Maybe as a percentage of his supporters, but then again he doesn't have as many supporters.

[moobu2]

117. 59% would be satisfied with Clinton as their party’s nominee.

"Just 11% would be dissatisfied and only 5% would be upset. Even a
majority of Sanders supporters (59%) would be okay if Clinton ultimately won the nomination over their
preferred candidate."