2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumABC News: How Bernie Sanders Got the Biggest Twitter Bump From the GOP Debate
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-biggest-twitter-bump-gop-debate/story?id=35802263
By MERIDITH MCGRAW Dec 16, 2015, 2:22 PM ET
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders wasnt in Las Vegas for the Republican debate Tuesday night. He wasnt even mentioned once by any of the candidates on stage. But, by the end of the night, the U.S senator from Vermont managed to pick up the most Twitter followers of any of the 2016 presidential candidates.
How did he manage to do it?
It turns out that Sanders, who has a little over 1 million followers on Twitter -- almost double the population of the state of Vermont -- live tweeted the event using the hashtag #GOPDebate and gained 5,258 followers over course of CNNs GOP debate night coverage.
Twitters Government and Elections team keeps tabs on tweets, retweets, and followers during the debate and offered up the final numbers on their account, @gov.
FULL story at link.
Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks about combating ISIS and democratic socialism at Georgetown University Nov. 19, 2015 in Washington.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)On Saturday. We have too!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Right wing and Democratic party are a losing combination
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)HOpe they go with the people rather than the corporations..... We'll see.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Christmas. Everyone is extremely busy.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is incompetent as a party leader. She may be a very good as a Hillary Clinton pusher, but she is incompetent as a party leader.
One of the points in holding a debate and investing party time, money and reputation on a debate is getting a good crowd. But an even bigger point of the whole exercise is to get media coverage, big, controversial debate --- media debate and coverage in the days immediately following the debate.
This debate will generate relatively little interest in the days before and after it because it is too close to Christmas.
Maybe Debbie Wasserman Schultz should resign. Is she oblivious to the media patterns and the social customs in America.
Saturday night before Christmas is party night in America. New Years Eve and July Fourth are bigger. But the Saturday before Christmas is a really big party night.
I can't believe that this mistake was made unless it was done intentionally to avoid getting media coverage on this third debate.
What idiocy. Sorry to be so impolite. But a weaker word would not be appropriate. It would not describe the kind of mistake that Debbie Wasserman Schultz made in scheduling this debate.
It's unbelievable.
No wonder we lost so badly in 2014. We have incompetent leadership in the Democratic Party.
Time for an apology and maybe even a resignation.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)No matter what free thinking people say to point any of the issues out, the M$M, and the Party establishment will claim that no one could have known what the result would be.
tblue37
(65,442 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)For me they are just a waste of time since I know who I'm voting for. Plus I seriously can't stand the sound of Hillary Clinton's voice. I'd rather watch the Republican debates and see them hit each other over their heads (or attempt to).
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Yeah, at this point unless they catch Bernie with a live boy or a dead hooker, my vote is already picked.
And yes if I had to watch one or the other, which I haven't yet, I would watch the Republican debates for entertainment value.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But I think we were on the same wave length.
Nitram
(22,825 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Like I said, I will set my DVR. But then I'm a Bernie supporter.
Nitram
(22,825 posts)I seldom watch debates real time. I watch them later when I have more time. I doubt I'm alone.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)lob1
(3,820 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)People will likely be at the mall doing last minute Christmas shopping. I suspect this debate will not have anywhere near as many viewers as the gop debate. PPP.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)DSW will go far in a Clinton administration.
Perfect compatibility.
frylock
(34,825 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They want to keep people from hearing Sanders message
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Iowans will be watching. We consider debates and campaign events to be part of our "research" that helps us to vette these candidates.
This year has been very different when it comes to available political info. We Iowans look forward to the IPTV debate between the Democratic candidates. Cancelled this year.
We also look forward to the lively debate from the Black and Brown forum. For the first time in the 30 year history of the Black and Brown Forum, the candidates will not appear on stage together and engage in a debate-style back and forth. This year--for the first time ever--candidates will appear separately. One at a time. Giving a speech. Lackluster for sure.
All of this is such an affront to Iowans. We're trying to be as knowledgeable about these candidates as possible; and make informed, wise decisions about which candidate is best to lead our nation.
Kind of difficult with the number of events that have disappeared or have been dumbed down. I've never seen anything like this happen during the Iowa caucuses. I've been participating for 30 years.
So Iowans will be tuned into the debates. With fewer debates than ever, we will definitely watch the events that are available. Count on it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)double cross could backfire. Hopefully.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...and do notice. Younger voters, who may not be aware of the Black and Brown Forum or the IPTV debate, may not understand.
Plenty of Iowans who've been around for many caucus cycles absolutely notice.
Excuse my language, but when you fuck with our caucus system, you're not making a smart move. We take this process very seriously. We're humbled at being first in the nation, and we want to do a good job. That's why you see thousands of Iowans at outdoor rallies in Downtown Des Moines, standing out in 10 degree temps to hear candidates speak. Most people I know attend many political events and often meet the candidates in person. They want to ask them questions.
We demand to vet these candidates, so we make a sound, informed decision. I was pretty proud of how we chose Obama, during a time when he was the underdog. He truly was the best candidate. He made himself outrageously accessible, which made it easy for Iowans to speak with him, ask him questions and get to know him. He embraced our process.
The media this year is really pulling a number on us. It's a total Bernie blackout. The Iowa media--especially the Des Moines Register and the networks are ignoring Bernie. He had a rally in Dubuque that had 2000+ attendees and one in Waterloo that had nearly 1500. No coverage. It's BAD. However, he's getting large crowds and his supporters are active in the campaigns. Hillary's crowds are around 300, so it appears that the media favoritism is really playing no part. The big, front-page pre-debate article in the Des Moines Register had this for a headline, "As Iowa Debate Approaches, Clinton Seems Inevitable Again." LOL! Ok, then. It's fine though. We'll win anyway. This stuff just gets a little ridiculous.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)bending to make it currently relevant, but is was "Men and women can both dance, but women have to do it backwards in high heels." My version. "Bernie and Hillary are both politicians, but Bernie has to do it without Super Pacs, billionnaires and News coverage."
Just read that Warren Buffet has endorsed Hillary. Shocking...Not.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...and it fits so well. I'm seeing it firsthand. But not having the media on your side is not a deal breaker. It's kind of surprising. I like your Fred Astaire quote. That's very fitting.
I've often thought that this is similar to the Grinch Who Stole Christmas. On caucus night, I picture the establishment elites being like the Grinch--completely not understanding how the Whoos down in Whoovile won, and are singing! Instead of the Grinch saying, "It came without ribbons, boxes and bags" the old-guard establishment will say, "It came without media coverage, Pac money and endorsements."
hehe.
It won't end with us inviting them to dinner to help carve the roast beast. They can suck it!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)of course, to children, but the larger, subliminal message was toward the parents/adults, as were most children's books...at least those early on. That was the skill of a good Children's Book Writer. Why the parents too? Because they bought the books.
I don't think Teletubbies and Bob Square Pants and the like qualify. In fact little on TV does after Sesame Street ended.
CrispyQ
(36,482 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Thanks for sharing!
I could have saved a lot of time if I had done that.
Very clever! 😃
Samantha
(9,314 posts)One of the reasons I believe both of these candidates are being ignored is that both are against the TPP. Hillary Clinton has given several speeches supporting it, although she now says she cannot say if she will support it until she has a chance to read the finalized version. President Obama himself did not want the content of this so-called trade agreement -- there is something like 26 chapters only three of which cover trade -- made public until absolutely necessary because he knew many Americans would be outraged at the content.
Corporation lobbyists wrote much of this document. Among those are companies such as Comcast, and it, for example, absolutely doesn't want even simple constructive criticism on the proposed legislation aired. Many people believe this is why Ed Schultz was dismissed from MSNBC -- because he constantly covered extremely controversial (and that is an understatement) aspects of this legislation on air, and he even had political opponents such as Bernie Sanders often contributing anti-TPP commentary.
Martin O'Malley has publicly said opposing the TPP is just common sense. So I believe this is one of the reasons we see the debates aired at extremely usually odd times, times when obviously not too many Americans will be watching, and opponents of the TPP will be muzzled (again an understatement).
Free speech is one of the liberties of which most Americans are very protective. To protect major legislation from critical scrutiny and public comment before it is essentially finalized in form and close to an up or down vote by Congress is not what this Country is about.
Perhaps this topic is one Iowans should discuss along with the candidates when they caucus. It certainly would be in their best interests (IMHO).
Sam
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Keep dreaming....
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)own supporters watch the gop for comedy value alone - just to see how dumb they really are. Their numbers are no sign of their popularity.
Faux pas
(14,684 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Bernie understands that the systems of information and communication have changed.
He is getting to voters however the hell he can manage it since the mainstream media isn't doing it's job. Though I have to confess ABC seems to have sort of covered the story a little.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Come gather round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
Youll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin
Then you better start swimmin or youll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance wont come again
And dont speak too soon
For the wheels still in spin
And theres no tellin who that its namin
For the loser now will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Dont stand in the doorway
Dont block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
Theres a battle outside and it is ragin
Itll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And dont criticize
What you cant understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin
Please get out of the new one if you cant lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin
The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Early Bob Dylan, when he sang in that style, seemed to have a smile in hios voice, but was so dour looking.
Kind of an odd contradiction.
Back to the regularly scheduled arguments...
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)poet. I remember my oldest brother (RIP) listening to him when I about four years old, been a fan ever since.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Then to MLK
Now Bob Dylan?
Leave is old folks with our generational heroes will you?
Find some Millennial heroes, you lay claim to them too.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)One thing about music it can span decades and also be relevant in different eras. IMO we can share our heroes with younger generations.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Who?
I don't think anybody is laying claim to anything. Dylan belongs to all and no one.
and I AM an old folk, very nearly Dylan's age.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Lay claim? Quoting a song is laying claim? Comparing policy stances is laying claim? Stating someone's political record and past actions is laying claim? Lighten up.
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CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Your entitled, selfish attitude surely doesn't fit with the poetry, wisdom and peace of Dylan. Or FDR's giving spirit. Or MLK's message of unity and equality.
I'm sure Dylan would be pleased to see that his music crosses generational boundaries.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)You on the other hand can have all of the conservative "heroes" that would more closely suit your thinking. Don't think you are a conservative? What does the unwillingness to share remind you of, a conservative or liberal attitude?
But if you insist on claiming liberal heroes for yourself, kindly let us know which ones are still available for us lesser liberal beings.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Bernie, FDR and Martin Luther King Jr. are all known for their socialistic ideas and policies. So what are your credentials to represent us old folks. When I work with people within the democratic party, local activists primarily, they are mostly old folks and also white and black women primarily. Yet I hear that women voters in Iowa favor Hillary more than two to 1 over Bernie. that is bewildering to me and may be the results of asking women who do not at this point even know who Bernie is, because as I canvas on doors here in Ohio, I first ask everyone if they know who Bernie is. If hey answer affirmatively, this is usually followed by the statement they plan to vote for Bernie. If they answer no, they usually follow with the statement they are not going to vote or they plan to vote for Hillary, it is usually a fairly well off white or black woman. I ask why and their response is usually well wouldn't it be great if we had a woman president for the first time. to me gender bias is running rough shod over examining issue differences, thoughtful analysis, and making well reasoned decisions. I find this rationale and lack of knowledge inconsistent with what I find talking to loyal women activists within the democratic party and women in general. What I believe after working hard as a leader on several successful campaigns for issues and for senatorial candidates here in Ohio, is that women in general are more connected and more knowledgeable and considered more left leaning. All characteristics that I believe work in Bernie's favor as women become more aware.
But to address your conclusion, yes Bernie people know FDR, who implemented the greatest socialist programs in the last 100 years, MLK jr. who was a declared democratic socialist were both democratic socialists. As for Bob Dylan, his prophesies as revealed in his songs which basically challenge rule by the rich oligopoly in support of capitalistic greed define him as a democratic socialist. The friends he had were certainly democratic socialists at the least and often more left wing. The song writers who he says most influenced him were democratic socialists or socialists who were both complaining about the inequities in the system due to capitalistic greed. This is discussed in a book titled Chimes of Freedom : The Politics of Bob Dylan's Art. If you become better informed you can quit decrying that we stole your hero, who judging by everything I find is indeed a democratic socialist, calling out the capitalistic establishment as the problem, a primary theme of the Bernie democratic socialist campaign. So we never stole him, he like many icons was already on the same side as Bernie and now we are just reminding everyone that democratic socialism had been a political philosophy of heroic social figures in our countryon a consistent basis and therefore is not to be condemned. So our view is every time you criticize Bernie as a democratic socialist and then claim as your heroes other democratic socialists and their views as heroic, we just marvel at your apparent unawareness. o yes we claim Bob Dylan, Both of the Guthries, Joan Baez, and John Lennon. They all were much to the left of Hillary and with us the people. Do not let your fears overcome your reasoning, vote for Bernie. He consistently tells the truth as a real friend does even when it painful for you to hear. Your enemies tell you what you want to hear. Go Bernie.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Wonderful video! Thanks.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)It's the best (the one about the Beatles is awesome also).
http://smile.amazon.com/Bob-Dylan-All-Songs-Behind/dp/1579129854/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450364764&sr=8-1&keywords=bob+dylan+all+the+songs+book
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)In early 1964, Bob Dylan was at the apex of his journey as a socially conscious folk singer. The fleeting moment is preserved in this rare half-hour TV program, recorded on February 1 of that year. Within a week the Beatles would land in America. In a little over a month, Dylan would rent an electric guitar.
The television performance is from Quest, a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation series that ran between 1961 and 1964 and showcased a wide range of literary and performing arts. It was produced in Toronto by Daryl Duke, who went on to direct American television programs and feature films.
http://www.openculture.com/2012/02/the_times_they_are_a-changin_1964_broadcast_gives_a_rare_glimpse_of_the_early_bob_dylan.html
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Docreed2003
(16,866 posts)Definitely worth trying to find....certainly captures the times. Thanks for sharing!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)enthusiasm, has two million small donaors, no super pacs, and gets huge crowds. That will translate into a groundswell of new voters taking to caucuses and primaries for him.
Hillary has the power of the DNC/DLC/Thirdway, her super pacs and 1%ers, but much lower turnout at her events, and less enthusiasm.
If Hillary wins the nomination, we WILL lose in the general election.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Delegates are won by...ding ding ding...winning their state. Except for superdelegates, a group which Hillary leads in by a wide margin.
There is no viable path to Sanders winning any state but VT & NH. This cold reality, kiddo, he trails everywhere outside his small and regional base.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Frankly I like Bernie's odds. Please, keep underestimating him and the groundswell of support he has.
And keep overestimating the popular enthusiasm for Hillary. Please, do!