Sanders to target Clinton on foreign policy during Saturday debate

[Omaha Steve]

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20151216/NEWS0605/151219406

By DAN TUOHY December 15. 2015 9:40PM

PORTSMOUTH — Bernie Sanders plans to challenge Hillary Clinton on foreign policy during the Democratic presidential debate Saturday in New Hampshire.

Sanders, in an interview Tuesday with the Union Leader, described the former Secretary of State as an advocate for regime change. He cited Libya and the fall of dictator Muammar Gaddafi, saying Islamic State terrorists thrived in the ensuing political vacuum.

“I think maybe there’ll be more focus on differences of opinion between Secretary Clinton and myself on foreign policy,” said Sanders, when asked about any different approach to the debate. “I think we look at the world a little bit differently in terms of foreign policy.”

The Democrats’ two-hour debate, sponsored by ABC News and the New Hampshire Union Leader, is Saturday from the campus of St. Anselm College. Sanders, Clinton, and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley take the stage at 8 p.m.

FULL story at link. I still don't understand why the DNC allows the conservative paper New Hampshire Union Leader be a sponsor???


Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, a Democratic presidential candidate, speaks to supporters during a stop at Portsmouth Book and Bar in Portsmouth on Tuesday. (REUTERS)

[HerbChestnut]

1. Good. That's exacty what he needs to do.

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. please please please...

Make it So Mr Spock!

[cali]

12. Hillary is a neocon through and through. That's why neocons like Kagan

support her. And she's ratcheting up the fear mongering. That's our Hillary, using terrorism for political advantage.

Hillary Hawk.

[upaloopa]

2. Bring it Bernie!

He's going to get his ass thrown back at him.

The guy with no foreign policy experience is going up against the ex SOS!

[brooklynite]

3. That message worked great last night for Rand Paul and Ted Cruz...

[NCTraveler]

4. "as an advocate for regime change"

Iraq Liberation Act directly called for regime change and Sanders voted for it. That was just years before the IWR. It paved the way. Sanders is one hundred percent on record voting for regime change in Iraq.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Oh horseshit. Bernie never voted for the war but your candidate lied to get us into it.

Stop trying to smear Bernie who was not only too intelligent to give Bush his war, he knew what would happen if we attacked Iraq and tried to convince others to oppose it:

You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

[NCTraveler]

16. Sanders one hundered percent voted for regime change in Iraq.

That is not a lie in any way at all. You really shouldn't go around calling people liars who are one hundred percent telling the truth. Thanks.

[beam me up scottie]

17. Bernie warned against regime change, watch the video.

He knew what would happen if Bush got his way, too bad your candidate either didn't know any better or did know and wanted to illegally invade Iraq anyway.

She lied about Saddam harboring terrorists to get us into the war.

Now you're trying to rewrite history because you can't admit her egregious mistake cost thousands of lives, billions of dollars and is responsible for the rise of ISIS.

[NCTraveler]

18. The Iraq Liberation Act has nothing to do with Bush.

Other than the fact he mentioned it repeatedly as support for his actions. It has become extremely clear many Sanders supporters have no clue who they are voting for. Then again, it's not really their fault as Sanders has never been significant enough to be vetted on the national stage.

You really shouldn't go around calling people liars who are telling the truth. The truth doesn't always match up to our hopes and dreams. We still must accept it. Just like I fully accept the horrid vote of Clinton on the IWR. Seems you just deflect, excuse, and call names.

Know who you support. Sanders vote helped lay the groundwork for the IWR. Sanders voted for regime change in Iraq. That is one hundred percent a fact. There is simply nothing to dispute.



I don't want to call you names. lol.

[beam me up scottie]

19. The war your candidate voted for had everything to do with Bush, and she did lie:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.

This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."

She even claimed that what we did to Iraq was a gift:

Hillary Goes Orwellian on Iraq

Hillary Clinton may fancy she opposes the war in Iraq, but she has a funny way of showing it. On Monday night in Austin, she had this to say about what the United States military has done over the past five years:

"We have given them the gift of freedom, the greatest gift you can give someone. Now it is really up to them to determine whether they will take that gift."

There was nothing accidental about this line. She delivered it in response to two Iraq veterans introduced at a town hall meeting at the Austin Convention Center by her friend and campaign surrogate Ted Danson. She liked the line enough that she delivered it again a couple of hours later, at a campaign-closing rally at a basketball arena in south Austin.

"The gift of freedom" is, of course, a curious way to describe an unprovoked invasion and occupation causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and leaving just about every aspect of life chaotic and fraught with daily dangers. To then lay responsibility for the mess on the Iraqis -- we did our bit, now you do yours -- is the worst kind of dishonesty, a complete abdication of moral principles. It's the sort of thing George Bush has said to justify his decision both to launch the invasion in the first place and then stay the course -- a course Hillary Clinton has spent many months telling primary and caucus voters she thinks was misconceived from the start.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-gumbel/hillary-goes-orwellian-on_b_89729.html

[NCTraveler]

20. I never said anything different.

Sanders was supporting regime change. Fact. You are now deflecting. Glad I was able to educate you on Sanders. Amazing how little vetting on him has been done.

[beam me up scottie]

25. LOL! You flatter yourself, your attempt to rewrite history was an epic fail.

But it was amusing so there's that. I always love watching Hillary's supporters try to blame Bernie for the Iraq war.

[NCTraveler]

29. Once again, you speak for others and get it wrong.

I blame Bush for Iraq. Love Sanders for his no vote on the IWR. You really should stop speaking for others.

[beam me up scottie]

30. You don't blame those who voted for it too?

If they had the guts to stand up and do the right thing the Iraq war would never have happened.

[NCTraveler]

33. I don't disagree.

And you think history started that day. It started decades before the war. If you didn't believe that you would rightfully admit Sanders was calling for regime change in Iraq four years before the war started. Though his yes vote was followed by multiple days of bombing in Iraq. Nothing to see here. Just recent history and the lead up to the Iraq War. Shit, Bush himself referenced the Iraq Liberation Act as findings of Sadams misdoings.

[beam me up scottie]

34. Bernie supported a Democratic president, Hillary supported a Republican one.

Who was president when Bernie voted for that "regime change" again, I forget...

[NCTraveler]

36. Finally.

How it took this long for you to even admit the truth. Funniest part is you started this by calling me a liar. Now you agree. Sanders directly supported regime change in Iraq in the years before the war. After calling me a liar and then completely backtracking to agree with me, my work is done. Glad I could help and good night. Not going to listen to you blame his vote on Clinton now. Pass the buck any way possible.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

[beam me up scottie]

37. I admitted nothing, your smear about 'regime change' is still a smear - it just includes Bill now.

Along with 360 House Representatives, including most of the Democrats.

Bernie trusted Clinton to use the authorization wisely, he also knew what Bush would do with the authoization and voted against regime change in 2002, Hillary voted for it.

Seems pretty simple to me, trust the Democratic president to do the right thing but not the Republican.

I wonder why Hillary didn't know any better?

[NCTraveler]

38. I agree again.

I trust Clinton as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

Read the link. Sanders voted yes. It is simply in support of aggressive regime change. Deny his support for regime change in the years befor the war all you want. Facts are in the link. It doesn't mince words.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Bernie was right, he knew Bill wouldn't start an illegal war, why did Hillary vote for one?

I thought you were done responding to me, btw.

[NCTraveler]

41. As I have said many times,...

Clinton made a very stupid mistake. Same as Sanders and his yes vote for aggressive regime change in the years before the war. It didn't happen without momentum and Sanders was one of very very many more than willing to help.

Fuck Bush.

[beam me up scottie]

43. You think it was a 'stupid mistake' for Bernie to trust President Clinton?

Wow, I sure don't see it that way. Saddam was a brutal dictator and there was nothing wrong with thinking something needed to be done.

What was a stupid mistake was Hillary lying about Saddam harboring terrorists to convince others to give Bush the green light to invade Iraq.

Bernie's vote to support President Clinton didn't result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and a power vacuum that led to ISIS.

You keep comparing doing the right thing to doing the wrong thing.

It's a very odd way to look at history.

[Sheepshank]

21. talks out of one side in the video...votes out of the other, side hoping for a cloak of invisibility

seems like this is what you are stating, and what the other side is stating are at odds.

[beam me up scottie]

22. More deflection from a Clinton supporter who cannot justify her lies and support of the war.

Perfectly understandable, if my candidate tried to claim what we did to the Iraqis was a "gift" I'd try to spread the blame around too.

Good thing I don't have to, Bernie was right.

[Sheepshank]

23. you were the one deflecting from Bernie's actual vote. You are the one calling Duers a liar.

deflect, dip, dodge, dive....it's what you do...oh and post clips, pictures, and videos

will you leave DU when Clinton wins? Just wondering.

[beam me up scottie]

24. Bernie didn't vote for the war but nice attempt to rewrite history.

Reminds me of Republicans, they seem to want to blame others for their mistakes too.

will you leave DU when Clinton wins? Just wondering.

You seem to like "clips, pictures, and videos" so just for you!:

You're welcome!

[Sheepshank]

26. Bernie's troubling history with war...you owe someone an apology

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

<snip>
Notably he supported NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, a stance which caused one of his staffers to resign in protest.

<snip>
The attack on Kosovo is hardly the extent of Sanders' hawkishness. While it's true he voted against the Iraq War, he also voted in favor of authorizing funds for that war and the one in Afghanistan. More recently, he voted in favor of a $1 billion aid package for the coup government Ukraine and supported Israel's assault on Gaza. At a town hall meeting he admitted that Israel may have "overreacted", but blamed Hamas for the entire conflict. After a woman asked why he refused to condemn Israel's actions, he told critics: "Excuse me! Shut up! You don’t have the microphone.”

<snip>
The House Resolution (S Con Res 21) of 4/29/99 which "authorizes the president of the United States to conduct military air operations and missile strikes in cooperation with the United States' NATO allies against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" supports not only the current air war but also its unlimited escalation. It thereby authorizes the commission of war crimes, even of genocide. Indeed, the very day after that vote, the Pentagon announced that it would begin "area bombing," which the Washington Post (4/30/99) characterized as "dropping unguided weapons from B-52 bombers in an imprecise technique that resulted in large-scale civilian casualties in World War II and the Vietnam War......It was your vote in support of this resolution that precipitated my decision "...Is there a moral limit to the military violence you are willing to participate in or support? Where does that limit lie? And when that limit has been reached, what action will you take?.

This last paragraph detailing a resignation letter written to Sanders.

Sanders voted repeatedly to fund wars...how is that so much different that NOT supporting a war and ultimately voting to ok the killing of people on foreign lands? Where is his moral backbone on that stand?



See that second paragraph where Sanders tells people to "Shut Up".....you have learned well little grasshopper.

[beam me up scottie]

27. ZOMG he voted to prevent a GENOCIDE??? ALERT THE MEDIA!!!

Considering the fact that his father's family was wiped out in the Holocaust I don't see how he could have voted any other way.

And I don't see why we should abandon the troops we send to war, it's unconscionable.

That you would criticize him for it says a lot more about you than you think.

Your priorities are off, Hillary sends our soldiers to die in Iraq and that's fine but Bernie votes to support them and he's the one you criticize.

[NCTraveler]

31. Sanders voted for regime change.

You just deflect over and over again. I provided you with the facts.

[beam me up scottie]

32. Bernie voted against regime change in 2002, Hillary voted for it.

You keep digging though, it's fascinating watching you try to blame Bernie for Hillary's war.

[UglyGreed]

5. We came, we saw, he died

says it all, now Libya is in shambles

[sufrommich]

6. Once again the Sanders campaign shares their

debate strategy ahead of the debate .

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. If he tries to make that punch...

he is going to draw back a nub!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Good. Her much ballyhooed "foreign policy experience" needs close inspection.

Her achievements in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Honduras, Libya, etc should be emphasized for what they were. Failures.

[restorefreedom]

10. +100 nt

[winter is coming]

11. +1. n/t

[cali]

13. Yep.

[BlueStateLib]

15. So SBS would of had the united states veto u.n. resolution 1973

[Purveyor]

28. I want to hear about hillarys 'no fly zone' over northern Syria

proposal.

lso interested in by what authority does she think she has to initiate such a zone and if she would order the shoot down of Russian jets if they violate it.

[BlueMTexpat]

35. Please proceed, sir. LOL

[riversedge]

40. It will be fun watching Hillar provide an education to Sanders on foreign policy.

[MeNMyVolt]

42. He'll tread lightly. She's way out of his league on FP.

Best stick to those items (item really) in his wheelhouse.