The Republicans were all beating war drums last night. Guess who takes the most MIC money ...

[Scuba]

According to opensecrets Hillary is the #1 Presidential candidate in defense industry donations ...


http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=D&cycle=2016&recipdetail=P&mem=N&sortorder=U

Presidential Candidates
Rank Candidate Amount
1 Clinton, Hillary (D) $94,951
2 Cruz, Ted (R) $82,582
3 Bush, Jeb (R) $45,450
4 Graham, Lindsey (R) $36,275
5 Paul, Rand (R) $30,880
6 Sanders, Bernie (D) $28,500
7 Carson, Ben (R) $24,206
8 Fiorina, Carly (R) $19,665
9 O'Malley, Martin (D) $16,500
10 Rubio, Marco (R) $14,761
11 Santorum, Rick (R) $8,200
12 Christie, Chris (R) $5,900

[Agschmid]

1. I see that republicans take the most money, and by quite a bit.

[NCTraveler]

2. From your link, she is also taking in more from labor.

Well, she is taking in more from damn near everyone.

Sanders also ranks thirteenth out of the senators taking money from this sector.

[tecelote]

14. Also from the corporate owned media... surprise, surprise.

Television News Network Lobbyists Are Fundraising for Hillary Clinton
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/29/media-fundraisers-presidential/

[NCTraveler]

15. Sanders has gotten almost twice as much from...

Sanders has received almost twice as much from the Securities and Investment sector than he has from labor. He is blatantly in their pocket. Please at least start applying your logic, as flawed as it is, consistently. Thanks.

[tecelote]

19. Really? I haven't seen that. This is what I've seen...

HILLARY

Wall Street has made Hillary Clinton a millionaire
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/13/investing/hillary-clinton-wall-street/

Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush Still Favorites of Wall Street Banks
http://billmoyers.com/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-jeb-bush-still-favorites-of-wall-street-banks/

------------

BERNIE

This Week... Bernie Will Make History
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251900410

[NCTraveler]

20. I magine you haven't seen it.

Sanders has taken over 40 thousand from the Securities and Investment Industry while only taking 31 thousand from labor. By your own logic Sanders is beholden to the securities industry over that of labor. That and it is well known that Clinton is also getting more from labor than Sanders.

[tecelote]

21. Any proof or just your say so?

[NCTraveler]

22. Easily searchable on open secrets.

The link is directly in the op and I have yet to see you challenge it as a source.

[JDPriestly]

23. Please provide a link to your evidence. Otherwise, who will believe you?

[NCTraveler]

26. Once again, the link is in the op.

I refuse to believe you can't find it. It is right in the op.

[JDPriestly]

42. This is what I found, and Bernie is not listed as receiving money from the Securities and

Investment Industry.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2016&ind=F07

Please provide a link to support your claim. Thanks.

[tecelote]

25. Just saying so doesn't make it true. No matter how many times you say it.

From your source... https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000528

Individual Contributions
- Small Individual Contributions
- Large Individual Contributions $39,953,544
$30,652,976 (74%)
$9,300,567 (22%) (96%)

96% from the people.

That's who he'll be working for.

[NCTraveler]

28. So you think the op has brought us bogus information.

My information comes from their link. But you already know that. It is why you keep deflecting.

Sanders:

Securities and Investment - Over forty thousand
Labor - Just over thirty thousand

Take up any issues with the source with the op. It is the one they are using.

[tecelote]

31. I see Hillary top the list with over 20x that amount.

Just confirms that Bernie will be working for the vast majority of his donors - Us.

The OP's point stands.

[NCTraveler]

34. Love it. This is simply too funny.

You simply see what you want to. Clinton is getting more from labor by a long shot. We agree.

[tecelote]

35. I didn't say she wasn't. Yes, looks like we agree.

Her Wall Street and MIC that are troubling.

From the OP:
"According to opensecrets Hillary is the #1 Presidential candidate in defense industry donations"

It's not like it hasn't been reported consistently and is well known.

Hillary will not bring major change to our country that needs it badly. She is way better than any GOP pick but we need someone like Bernie or Martin who will focus on Americans over corporations.

[tammywammy]

32. Here

Labor break down: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=P&cycle=2016&recipdetail=P&mem=N&sortorder=U

Securities & Investment: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=F07&cycle=2016&recipdetail=P&mem=N&sortorder=U

Bernie Sanders by industry: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/indus.php?id=N00000528&cycle=2016

Hillary Clinton by industry: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/indus.php?id=N00000019&cycle=2016

[JDPriestly]

41. I don't see Sanders name on the list of recipients of money from the Securities and Investgment

sector. Please provide a link to the source of your information. Am I overlooking something?

Here is the page I found:

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2016&ind=F07

[NurseJackie]

33. Interesting observation.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. Sickening.

I never thought I'd see the day the "Democratic" Party would support a warmonger. I thought we were finished with hawking wars when Cheney and his puppet left office. Obviously, Chelsea Clinton won't be fighting in any of HRH's wars!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. What country (or countries) is Hillary Clinton calling for an invasion of?

I'm not saying that she is a "dove" or something but I don't get where people are making assumptions that she's already planning a bunch of wars or military actions as POTUS- or that we should necessarily expect her to do something Cheney/W dumb like invading Iran.

[JDPriestly]

27. A no fly zone over Syria would require an invasion or maybe a war with Russia. It is completely

unrealistic without a war.

[Person 2713]

4. Are any of the war repukes vets? I know Clinton is not . They were all war last night ex Rand

[restorefreedom]

5. damn. not a surprise, but damn. nt

[Agschmid]

7. What's not surprising is that republicans take the most money.

By far.

[restorefreedom]

9. that, sadly, is to be expected

especially given the collective wargasm at the debate last night.

revolting.

[Agschmid]

10. Saw a few clips and yes it seems to be all they talk about.

Now the real question is why did the OP try to frame this differently?

[restorefreedom]

11. i guess you will have to ask him/her that. but the idea

that any dem is taking large amts of $ from the mic is disappointing and concerning to me. they want war. all day, all night, all year, forever. all the dems should be telling them to shove their attempts at buying candidates.

they see war as a financial transaction. and even if the candidates don't (well the republicans DO of course), there will be tremendous pressure and lobbying for war on any candidate who takes large donations from war mongering companies with a stake in this.

[Scuba]

12. Simple: To open eyes.

[Agschmid]

13. Yup... That was it I'm sure.

[George II]

18. Then you should have expanded the search (if possible, not sure that site has the data) to....

....ALL donors, not just the smallest segment of Sanders' donor base.

[JDPriestly]

29. For conservatives, the only true purpose for our government is security and war.

So in order to justify running for the presidency and serving as the executive of our government, they almost have to want war. Without war, what is the government to do? Just sit there?

They really don't want any laws much at all. That's what people don't get about the conservative philosophy. As long as you follow the Ten Commandments in a sort of slipshod way, then they think God's will is done and everything is as is it should be.

A lot of people who vote for Republicans don't realize that is the basic theory behind the small government, no regulations, private schools, get your own whatever, philosophy of the Republican Party.

In fact, if voters understood that concept, the Republican Party would be very small and almost never win an election.

[UglyGreed]

8. War is a racket

[matt819]

16. You know what's most shocking?

That these paltry sums - pocket change - buys these crooks' votes.

[George II]

17. You neglected to include this footnote:

"METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs and individuals giving $200 or more."

Sanders boasts that 90% of his contributions are from "small donors", so 90% of his donors weren't scrutinized for this summary.

[staggerleem]

24. The Open Secrets List ...

... can only include direct contributions to Candidate's campaigns - i. e., not PAC and/or Super-PAC money, which the Supremes say we're not allowed to know about. So, it likely tells less than half the story.

[George II]

38. Not to mention that the Open Secrets List doesn't include donations from small donors, which it....

....more than 90% of his contributions.

So while the OP numbers for Clinton include MOST of her donors, it includes less than 10% of Sanders' donors.

Considering Sanders' advocacy for Lockheed Martin no doubt many of those 90%+ are defense related.

[Duval]

30. It's clear which Dem candidate will

keep us out of war, and it isn't Hillary. As I've said before, I'll vote for her if she is the nominee. Our country needs Bernie Sanders.

[Ivan Kaputski]

36. Figures ...with all those SOS connections.

[OilemFirchen]

37. I'll ask here, since a similar question has gone unanswered on a similar thread:

Would you prefer that all Defense-related donations go to the Republicans?

[Scuba]

39. No.

I would prefer publicly funded elections.

[OilemFirchen]

40. So would I.

But that doesn't actually attempt to answer the question, does it?

[Fumesucker]

43. Would you prefer that all Defense-related donations go to the Democrats?

To answer your question, yes I would prefer that all Defense-related donations go to the Republicans, just like I wish they got all private prison-related donations too.

[OilemFirchen]

44. That's a refreshing bit of honesty.

Who else? The insurance sector? Big-Ag? Pharmaceuticals? Retail?