So Cornel West dislikes Hillary. The jealous, vindictive person who called Obama

[pnwmom]

our first "n**erized President" also can't stand Hillary.

Surprise, surprise.

It's a compliment, really, to be loathed by someone this nasty.

"My dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men. . . . He has a certain rootlessness, a deracination."

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/cornel_west.html#hGH6pGcbi8IbG4MS.99

“Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”

http://bossip.com/1021630/quote-of-the-day-cornel-west-slams-obama-were-looking-for-john-coltrane-and-got-a-black-kenny-g-43081/

http://www.thenation.com/article/cornel-west-v-barack-obama/

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Not at All !!!!!!

Because he called the President to task, he's been ostracized by the DNC Machinists plan and simple . And fight for what he how All his life , How could he support Hillary ?

[roguevalley]

38. they're angry he isn't for her so he's over. the nastier the better

[randome]

39. 'Niggerized' is calling him to task?

Next thing you know, 'bitch' will be a term of endearment!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[NorthCarolina]

41. The Hillary campaign should make a campaign ad about Cornel West

and his comments about Obama. Might give her some mileage. Then again, it might not.

[Scootaloo]

52. Here's a question. Do you have any concept of what Dr. West means when he says that?

Hint: it predates the Obama administration

[randome]

68. I know it's vulgar and so-called intellectuals should be above vulgarity.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Scootaloo]

82. So no, you don't actually know what hr was talking about?

[arcane1]

2. Posted in GDP? Why?

Neither Obama nor West are running for president, last time I checked.

[pnwmom]

3. Hillary is running for President, in case you haven't noticed.

And West has been criticizing her, according to something that's on the home page.

[arcane1]

4. I didn't see that criticism in your OP n/t

[pnwmom]

7. I don't need to repeat it. You can find it on the home page if you care. n/t

[arcane1]

8. Of course you don't. You would be at risk of having a point to this OP

[beam me up scottie]

11. Hey at least she stopped counting dark faces in Bernie's crowds.

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But her continued obsession with Dr. West is rather odd.

The alert swarms are out, truth hurts I guess.

[riversedge]

29. yet a Bernie fan is laughing at a few empty chairs when Hillary is speaking in a large ballroom.

its the silly season

[Phlem]

40. Decision: 1 to 6 to leave it.

Cornel West is a divisive figure in the black community and has even gone after many black members of academia.

Calling it an obsession and saying she 'counts the dark faces' at bernie events is a personal attack and very nasty. This post is juat meant to disrupt the thread. Please hide. Please. Stop this madness and rude personal attacks.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 14, 2015, 07:43 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I am not going to hide an accurate post.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems pretty spot on
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Did you look at the OP? I just looked results of a jury that left worse than this alone. It is GD-P. Refute it has been a juror's opinion in threads like this.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[blackspade]

45. They shopped for another jury and succeeded this time ....

Fucking lame.

On Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

That's quite different than the op's race baiting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=898203

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling the OP a race baiter is vicious, abusive, OTT and not true. This kind of ugly accusation makes DU suck.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:29 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: How is this worthy of an alert?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Calling this post or the poster 'race baiting' is false, disruptive and rude. That nonsense may be appropriate at a right wing site. It must end at DU.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Really? Another abuse of the alert system.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OP was quoting Cornell West because OPer disagreed with West's words. The race baiting was West, not OPer. Hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MeNMyVolt]

46. Brava!

[cosmicone]

57. Great jury IMO n/t

[blackspade]

67. Alert stalking is not cool.

It was a apparent that the post alerted on did not violate TOS.
It's one of the worst features of the jury system.

[cosmicone]

69. Accusing people of race-baiting is disruptive. n/t

[blackspade]

71. It's called an opinion, 'Cone.

[cosmicone]

72. Accusations are hideable n/t

[blackspade]

73. Any fucking thing is hidable as has been proved over and over.

Jury shopping and alert stalking are despicable.
And that is what was going on in this case.

[cosmicone]

74. Telling that to me... Who has been on a timeout 3 times in the last 4 months?

Far far more Hillary supporters get hides and most of them questionable.

Your posts are the pot-kettle syndrome.

[blackspade]

76. Having voted to 'leave' your posts instead of hide them....

you can take your "pot-kettle syndrome" comment and cram it.
I don't alert stalk, and don't enable it.

[arcane1]

77. You should make a chart out of that info

[floriduck]

5. Neither are any of the Hill endorsers.nm

[Chitown Kev]

6. To be fair to Dr. West here

The comment (which is in a post in the Bernie Sanders Group) is not even as remotely nasty as anything that he's said about the President.

And don't forget that he has criticized Bernie as well.

[pnwmom]

9. For some reason no one in that group is posting about what he's said about Bernie.

[ibegurpard]

12. boo hoo

I suggest you stay out of that group since it upsets you and you aren't able to participate.

[pnwmom]

17. Responding to posts doesn't mean they've upset me. Just that I felt like responding.

Thanks anyway for your concern.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Why do you care what they post in their group?

This just more meta about Bernie's supporters from you disguised as "concern".

[R B Garr]

70. You should take your own admonishments to heart

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and quit attacking people about where else on the internet they post. You are right: "WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT THEY POST IN THEIR GROUP?"

Exactly! So leave people alone yourself about what else and where they post. Right??!! Right

[Fawke Em]

75. At least we don't call other DUers vile names over in the Bernie Group.

I saw what was said on Hillary's Hate Site.

[R B Garr]

80. How phony! I saw you yucking it up recently

when someone was getting abused but couldn't respond in kind or get posts hidden. I was going to point it out, but didn't waste my time. So phony of you.

And over the weekend I saw.plenty of nasty references to DUers on Discussionist, but I bet those site owners won't get attacked. Wink.

[Chitown Kev]

15. Yes...he hesitated in endorsing Sanders for months

because of the Israel/Palestine issue...I would expect that someone who has been a DSA member for decades would endorse Sanders at some point, though.

[JI7]

30. my problem with west was the specific things he said

About obama. Not that he was critical in itself.

[Chitown Kev]

31. I have these issues with Dr. West myself as to

the language that he used against the president...among other things but I won't be nasty about some of the things that I feel about Dr. West.

[ibegurpard]

10. He's not alone

A lot of people don't like her.

[pnwmom]

13. The Rethugs have done a great job smearing her, with the cooperation

of the media and sexists everywhere.

Ever since she said she wanted to do more as First Lady than bake cookies, they've been after her.

[ibegurpard]

49. Her trust issues are of her own making

And are a result of her own record and policy stances.

[tazkcmo]

63. Exactly.

Even without the actual investigations, the circumstances surrounding a long list of her own actions cause a legitimate questioning of her judgment, motives and values. It's not the GOP's fault she made up sniper fire or wrote a bill to ban flag burning or voted for the IWR or receives millions from Wall St. And those examples are a tiny fraction of all the situations she creates all on her own.

[Fawke Em]

79. And, as a woman and certainly no sexist, I think she's done a

marvelous job at smearing herself.

Flip-flop. Flip-flop. Flip-flop.

[artislife]

16. I love Obama but dislike h.

People have their own opinions. So what?

[pnwmom]

18. I was just putting his Hillary comments into context. For those who aren't aware

of what he has previously said about Obama, and what kind of person he is.

[artislife]

23. like who?

Really no one who has read here can escape what the h supporters post onto the GDP over and over.


Repetition. Hmm who else uses it as a tactic?

[pnwmom]

24. Plenty of DUers only read here occasionally. However, I know that many Bernie supporters

use repetition. How many times have I read here the same tired, recycled stories about Hillary? Could that be what you're referring to?

[beam me up scottie]

27. "many Bernie supporters use repetition"

[artislife]

33. Love the graphic.

Best thing in this tired thread!

[beam me up scottie]

34. I wonder what tomorrow's recycled meme/poutrage will be?

More red baiting?

Guns in checked baggage on Amtrak?

So much fake outrage about Bernie, I wonder where they get the energy.

[840high]

35. I'm sure you'll do it

again and again and again.....

[pnwmom]

50. Only when it seems necessary. And it will whenever I see people here

promote Cornel West, as if his views mean more to African Americans than President Obama's, who chose Hillary to be his Secretary of State.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Only the opinions of pro-Hillary minorities count, you should know that by now.

Get under the bus!

[artislife]

22. I should know by now

I mean this meme has been going on for months. I guess it bears repeating.



That's a joke.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Of course. And I'm sure you appreciate the op's whitesplaining.

Looks like this week's recycled theme is Cornell West is a bad bad man and the accompanying fallacy: Bernie is guilty of racism by association.

New memes are expensive.

[leftofcool]

19. I have no interest in what Cornell West thinks or says.

I will keep my hero John Lewis, thank you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Nelson Rockefeller was one of the good guys

Nelson A. Rockefeller was a critical player in this story. Since the 1940s a small
group of liberal Republicans, chiefly from the Northeast, had routinely joined pro-civil
rights Democrats in Congress to sponsor civil rights legislation regarding voting rights,
segregation, and equal employment opportunity. Like their Democratic allies, they
favored a stronger role for the federal government in ensuring racial equality. Such a
position, they maintained, represented a fulfillment of the tradition of Abraham Lincoln.
It also represented good politics, for the black population of many cities in the Northeast
had grown dramatically since the 1940s. In 1960, Rockefeller, who had eyes on the
party’s presidential nomination, voiced the concerns of this wing of the GOP in his fight
for a strong civil rights plank at the Republican party’s convention in Chicago. He
persuaded nominee Richard Nixon to fight for a civil rights statement that expressed
support for the sit-in demonstrations that had spread across the South that spring.
Southern Republicans, who had grown in number since the mid-1950s, were predictably
outraged. So were other conservatives, who worried about the expanding reach of
government into employment matters and other areas related to private property. The
party retreated from the Nixon/Rockefeller position, but Rockefeller had established
himself as the leader of the pro-civil rights faction of the party at the presidential level.
As the civil rights movement intensified across the South during the Kennedy
administration, battle lines within the Republican party hardened. Rockefeller and other
liberals routinely criticized President Kennedy for being too timid and tardy in
responding to the crisis. During the spring of 1963, Rockefeller blasted Kennedy for
ignoring recommendations of the Civil Rights Commission regarding housing,
employment, voting rights, and education, failing to live up to promises made in the
Democrats’ civil rights plank of 1960, and appointing anti-civil rights judges to the
Federal bench in the South.


http://www.rockarch.org/publications/resrep/thurber.pdf

[pnwmom]

26. He was a liberal Republican, in an era when such a thing existed. But West

didn't mean that as a compliment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. He can mean what he wants to mean.

The northern Republicans used to be the good guys.

[okasha]

48. Long ago, and it now feels like a galaxy far away,

there was a conservative-moderate-liberal spectrum in both major parties. It was Reagan who polarized the parties, and the division we have now is not an improvement.

[AgingAmerican]

36. Recycled tripe

[pnwmom]

37. That's what the Hillary-haters specialize in. n/t

[MeNMyVolt]

42. Hopefully, he'll get his shit together.

Growing old can fuck up your mind, but he had a really good one. Let us all hope he rediscovers it.

[cosmicone]

43. Cornell West was one of the biggest blunders of the Sanders' campaign.

That is like recruiting Noam Chomsky to get the votes of Jewish people.

[pnwmom]

44. Exactly! nt

[m-lekktor]

47. what a strange comment about Noam Chomsky. nt

[pnwmom]

51. He has defended Holocaust deniers.

That's not going to win him a lot of appreciation from most Jewish people.

[Scootaloo]

53. if only it weren't for Cornell, we'd have you on board, right? DRAT!

[cosmicone]

56. I won't be on board regardless

I am making an objective, bystander comment that Cornell West is anathema to most AAs. AAs adore and exalt Obama by 93% -- getting Obama's critic as your ambassador to AAs was manifestly stupid.

[Number23]

66. Agreed entirely (with your subject heading, that is)

[MrWendel]

54. I see allot of people...

are okay with Obama being called a nigger. As long as the perpetrator helps they're guy. Good to know.

[JonLeibowitz]

58. The English language disagrees with you.

Calling someone the N-word is different from describing someone as N*****ized. Here is what West said:

CORNEL WEST: You can't talk about wealth and inequality, you can't talk about education, you can't talk about massive unemployment and under employment and you can't talk about drones being dropped on people in other parts of the world without talking about white supremacy and its ways in which it operates. It doesn't have to be overt. The president is right about that.

But too many black people are niggerized. I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president.

CNN ANCHOR: What do you mean by that?

WEST: A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy. So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie.

We're talking about moral issues, spiritual issues, emotional issues. White supremacy has nothing to do with just skin pigmentation, it has to be what kind of person you want to be, what kind of nation we want to be. Democrats and Republicans play on both of those parties in terms of running away from the vicious legacy of white supremacy until it hits us hard. Thank God for Ferguson. Thank God for the young folk of all colors. Thank God for Staten Island and fighting there. Thank God in Baltimore, now the precious folk in Charleston.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/22/cornel_west_on_obama_the_first_black_president_has_become_the_first_niggerized_black_president.html

[Chitown Kev]

59. I'm sorry

In a black barbershop, that's OK.

As a way to publically address and criticize the president it is not...you may notice that black people obviously don't like what Dr. West has said even though, yes, Dyson made a somewhat similar criticism.

[JonLeibowitz]

60. I wouldn't presume to let my race's consensus determine what I should speak about

or what I should be passionate about. But that's just me.

[Chitown Kev]

61. A lot of white privilege in that statement

I will only say that no black person that I know or have read supports the specific language that Dr. West has used against President Obama; only large faction of white liberals (who probably don't know any better) and some far left blacks use that language...other blacks have criticized the president on similar grounds and not used that language.

Dr. West said it to shock and he certainly did that.

[Chitown Kev]

64. FTR, I written about Dr. West twice

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/28/1415585/-Black-Kos-Week-In-Review

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/27/1380705/-OK-OK-another-Dyson-West-comment-here

and that pretty much remains my view on this subject.

[MrWendel]

65. How about the word...

Uncle Tom? Because that is what sums up Cornel West's view on Obama.But hey, there IS an election at stake so...meh.

[Doctor_J]

55. so Sanders has a problem with black people, except when they like him, in which case

They're vindictive and jealous.

A shame that Mrs Clinton can't get any momentum on any issue - the only things she seems to have are her gender and lots of rich donors.

[Gothmog]

62. Cornel West is a bad surrogate for Sanders

Sanders is hurting his chances with West serving as a surrogate

[giftedgirl77]

78. If he disagreed with BS he'd be accused of having Stockholm Syndrome.

West has been off the rails for years & lost all credibility a long time ago. The only reason he gets the airtime he does is because certain so called liberals will use any minority when the message is convenient for them. As soon as the deviate from what they deem acceptable they will throw them under the bus. I.e. John Lewis who has a million times more credibility & character in his pinky toe then Cornell West could ever hope to have.

[NaturalHigh]

81. Cornel West is a self-absorbed jerk.

I couldn't possibly care any less who or what he likes or doesn't like.