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RandySF

(59,092 posts)
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:20 AM Dec 2015

Does Bernie want some cheese with his whine?

The campaign of Bernie Sanders says that there’s been a “Bernie blackout” on broadcast network newscasts, claiming that they’ve ignored him compared to major presidential candidates.

The campaign issued a press release on Friday — “Why the Bernie Blackout on Corporate Network News?” — and cited figures from the Tyndall Report showing that he has gotten just a fraction of the attention Donald Trump has. Sanders has drawn 10 minutes of coverage to Trump’s 234 minutes

The campaign makes the point that Trump draws 20%-30% support among primary voters, the same level as Sanders. But ABC’s “World News Tonight” has devoted 81 minutes to Trump’s campaign, compared to just 20 second for Sanders, through the end of November. Sanders drew 2.9 minutes of coverage on “NBC Nightly News” and 6.4 minutes on the “CBS Evening News,” according to the Tyndall data published by Media Matters for America.

The measurement was of time devoted to stories about the Sanders campaign specifically, so coverage of his performance in a debate is not included. So by that measure, Sanders has probably gotten more center-stage exposure on the broadcast networks’ late-night talk shows than on their evening newscasts. He has appeared on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” and “Jimmy Kimmel Live.”

Sanders’ campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said that the “corporately owned media may not like Bernie’s anti-establishment views but for the sake of American democracy they must allow for a fair debate in this presidential campaign.”


http://variety.com/2015/biz/news/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-1201659715/

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Does Bernie want some cheese with his whine? (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2015 OP
And many Sunday shows repeatly. He continues to be ask questions Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #1
Examples please AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #5
An example was the first question ask in the second debate left foreign affairs right to his Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #18
Wow this talking point won't die! It should though, because it is false. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #28
I have heard this same talking point before also. Thanks for proving my point. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #61
It isn't a talking point -- it is literally what happened. If you don't like the facts, pick a good JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #127
Yes we know what happened, he danced off to another subject, I know the facts and I have read this Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #131
UGH! pangaia Dec 2015 #151
lol AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #43
Yes he danced off to another subject. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #62
Once AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #74
You did? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #77
And Rachel Maddow. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #10
Unlike Hillary gordyfl Dec 2015 #45
No, Hillary does not have her feet stuck in cement and has not been Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #64
Sanders is Stuck with same talking points and can't seem to change FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #104
There it is comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #115
He's a Rock. gordyfl Dec 2015 #133
Sanders comes across as a baby when he complains about media coverage Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #2
You've been saying that for months. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #23
And it's still not true. Bubzer Dec 2015 #32
And it's still true! Walk away Dec 2015 #91
Not as desperate as the graphic in your tagline celebrating the loss of a DUer Gore1FL Dec 2015 #36
It was a wonderful thing. Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #40
People who grave dance are a reason that DU sucks. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #50
That was in response to the one VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #78
I see you are still graving dancing weeks later! Gore1FL Dec 2015 #125
A grave dance VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #136
You support them by grave dancing? Gore1FL Dec 2015 #140
Is a grave depicted? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #141
Symbolism escapes you too? Gore1FL Dec 2015 #144
Oh well.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #148
I have no business with the admins on this matter. I don't think you should be banned. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #150
Omfg...get over it already Sheepshank Dec 2015 #157
It's not about the poster. It's about grave dancing. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #161
you said that over and over and over and...no one cares why you are whining...you continue to whine Sheepshank Dec 2015 #168
If I said it over and over and no one cares Gore1FL Dec 2015 #169
Can you tell us why there was the loss? upaloopa Dec 2015 #52
I'm not the victim Gore1FL Dec 2015 #53
People who support someone who would rather have a republican president if upaloopa Dec 2015 #54
I am not defending those who won't support a Dem nominee Gore1FL Dec 2015 #55
Its in response VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #80
Not supporting the violation. Supporting the user. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #114
Yes supporting the violation VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #116
If it let's you sleep at night. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #120
I sleep just fine VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #137
Well grave dancing is quite a workout. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #142
Nope....I drink plenty of antioxidant coffee...when I support the DU Administration VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #143
I drink coffee too. I had no idea that supported DU. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #145
I do....why don't you? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #147
There are neutron stars less dense than you Gore1FL Dec 2015 #149
If that is the stance you want to take... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #117
No. It's grave dancing. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #162
They aren't covering Hillary either ibegurpard Dec 2015 #3
Campaigns get the NEWS coverage that they generally deserve. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #4
So Trump DESERVES 90% of the coverage? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #6
Yes. His campaign is making news. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #9
I bet you even believe that AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #11
Don't bet the farm. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #13
No he's not. Why do you say he is? cui bono Dec 2015 #20
He's a Looney! Pharaoh Dec 2015 #35
with today's non-serious media treestar Dec 2015 #69
Wow! Phlem Dec 2015 #38
It's all a conspiracy masterminded by the all powerful Hillary comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #119
She's much more powerful than I'd realized! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #122
There you go putting words in people's mouths. Phlem Dec 2015 #138
Suuuuure he is AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #42
He sells advertising VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #81
He is NOT newsworthy, pangaia Dec 2015 #154
+1 cui bono Dec 2015 #19
No nurse. pangaia Dec 2015 #153
Trump is leading in the polls, Bernie is not. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #71
You sure like to pump him up AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #75
I destroy him on social media daily. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #76
This isn't social media AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #79
Because they think it is safe to do so. kenfrequed Dec 2015 #175
Trump is NOT news. God. Y'all will make ANY excuse. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #8
No matter his day job, if the leading repub exhibits fascist tendencies, it's news Rose Siding Dec 2015 #37
It's tabloid nonsense AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #178
He is. He's the Republican front runner redstateblues Dec 2015 #128
The Trump campaign DESERVES all the coverage ... slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #12
See post 13. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #14
Saying someone deserves coverage doesn't mean that that person is good. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #170
Correct! For the purpose of outrage, it appears that ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #171
You honestly think Trump Deserves all the coverage he has had by the corporate media ... slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #173
The media absolutely has a lot of power. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #174
The Trump 'coverage' is tabloid obsession AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #180
Just as capitalism rewards those who are most deserving. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #15
See post 13. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #16
Does America even have news? Enquiring minds want to know. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #17
That is an excellent question! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #67
Not as much as your sour grapes. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #7
"ABC World News Tonight" gets 8 million viewers per night. Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #21
Lets be honest, Trump and Hillary have been famous for decades AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #22
Face it Bernie is a one note samba comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #24
Versus the Weathervane Shape Shifter... SoapBox Dec 2015 #27
Ah-a Sanders fan trifecta --3 silly boring Talking pts all wrapped into one post riversedge Dec 2015 #41
Yet zero refutals AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #82
Boring? Phlem Dec 2015 #159
Yeah... three boring talking points... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #176
You forgot - he does not lie. 840high Dec 2015 #34
Don't forget YELLING! That is so annoying! Walk away Dec 2015 #94
Boring and yelling? Phlem Dec 2015 #160
When they can't talk the issues kenfrequed Dec 2015 #177
OMG. Phlem Dec 2015 #158
The numbers don't lie...it's a virtual blackout for both him and O'Malley. SoapBox Dec 2015 #25
That's pretty gutsy of her... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #33
sorry Randy, everyone should be concerned that Trump gets all the coverage Skittles Dec 2015 #26
You'd think that would be obvious ibegurpard Dec 2015 #92
It's all theatrics. He never misses a photo-op. R B Garr Dec 2015 #29
Trump gets a lot more publicity than Hillary, too. He keeps saying outrageous things, pnwmom Dec 2015 #30
And outrageous is what the country needs, right? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #83
To me the genuinely scary thing is to what extent almost everyone gets SheilaT Dec 2015 #31
All Bernie has to do is start ripping on Hillary LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #39
Maybe he should bring up the rumor that Hillary murderd Vince Foster comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #121
Must feel nice to be among those who don't have to worry about such things? highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #44
Then Sanders should run on restoring VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #86
Sounds fine to me. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #132
Then he should stop whining and just do it VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #135
I get it, when our candidate complains about something it's "whining". highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #155
No, Randy, he has a point: Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #46
Why the attack thread? I thought Hillary and her fans weren't worried about Bernie? Scuba Dec 2015 #47
No kidding! RiffRandell Dec 2015 #129
The continual attacks on Bernie over foolish issues make it less likely Bernie supporters Vinca Dec 2015 #48
The same argument could be made the other way 'round ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #73
Yet you guys spend hours writing them AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #84
It's attributable to push-back (likely from both sides) ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #99
The OP probably spent three days writing this AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #100
You'd need to take that up with the OP. There's no way for me to know... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #102
Bravo nt comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #123
Trump has a better chance of being gop nominee than sanders has of becoming democratic nominee Gothmog Dec 2015 #49
And you seem fine with that AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #85
I don't know about him, but I'm delighted by it. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #90
We are seeing a lot of Hillary supporters delighted with Trump lately AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #96
What's anti-Democratic about wanting the Democrats to win elections? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #101
+1 NurseJackie Dec 2015 #108
Despite the endless head to head polls showing that to be incorrect? Kentonio Dec 2015 #134
How sill Sanders compete financially in general election Gothmog Dec 2015 #165
Because this is the internet age Kentonio Dec 2015 #166
If either Trump or Sanders became their party's nominee, then that party would lose Gothmog Dec 2015 #163
I can't believe his campaign is whining about this now workinclasszero Dec 2015 #51
Sanders can't have it both ways. He rails against the establishment, but wants to have that same livetohike Dec 2015 #56
It's nice to know pointing out the truth is whining. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #57
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #58
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #59
This from the HRC camp who had vapors about the word "shout"? aikoaiko Dec 2015 #60
There's a complaint I can get behind treestar Dec 2015 #63
Clinton has understood the medias intentions for decades. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #65
Yep Andy823 Dec 2015 #66
I barely hear Jamaal510 Dec 2015 #139
I agree. And I would agree with the assertion in this OP that Sanders' media coverage INTERNATIONALL Number23 Dec 2015 #167
So valid criticisms of the media are now referred to as whiining? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #68
Oh they'll find a way ibegurpard Dec 2015 #93
Let me know when they care about O'Malley's coverage. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #70
Last gasps of failing campaigns ALWAYS blame the media. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #72
List a few of these campaigns that were blacked out by the MSM AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #87
I don't acquiesce to demands from people who support Sanders. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #88
LOL That looks like discrimination against a whole slew of Democrats. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #107
Good to know you think the state of the media is just fine. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #105
Assumption and redicrection, indications of no argument. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #106
"Redicrection," indication of making up words to make an argument when all else fails? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #109
Redicretion indicates a simple typographical error in spelling redirection MohRokTah Dec 2015 #111
Oh, you mean a 'mistake'. Guess you are supporting the right candidate then. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #113
At least when Trump waves his arms and yells he is entertaining! Walk away Dec 2015 #89
Your reaction to the Tyndall report is to diss Bernie? Wow. merrily Dec 2015 #95
yup ibegurpard Dec 2015 #97
How about hurting Americans, fairness, First Amendment values, etc.? Throw all that down the tubes? merrily Dec 2015 #98
all in service to Hillary ibegurpard Dec 2015 #103
Yep, and know need for public air waves. Full control by the corporate owned media. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #112
Amazing, isn't it? Shows where some really stand. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #110
If Bernie wants Trump-like attention - he needs to make ridiculous, over the top statements CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #118
Democrats do not play fair. Media doesn't play fair. Yet, he wants votes to step into White House seabeyond Dec 2015 #124
Note that your headline is not Variety's nor does it reflect what Variety reports. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #126
Wow. Very well said. BIG +!! RiverLover Dec 2015 #156
You really had to make up such a nasty title line for your OP? kath Dec 2015 #130
Everyone knows that the msm has - if anything a liberal bias. We all remember how the media Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #146
Just leafed through TIME magazine question everything Dec 2015 #152
Not quite true. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #172
I came back to see if you had the basic decency to address the points I raised and the OP has Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #164
I suppose you supported the swiftboating of Kerry by the media jfern Dec 2015 #179
How come so many rightwing men call it "whining" senz Dec 2015 #181

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. And many Sunday shows repeatly. He continues to be ask questions
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:31 AM
Dec 2015

And gives the same answers over and over whether they match the question or not.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. An example was the first question ask in the second debate left foreign affairs right to his
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:32 AM
Dec 2015

financial statement.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
28. Wow this talking point won't die! It should though, because it is false.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:46 AM
Dec 2015

Let's correct the record:


DICKERSON: So let's get started. You will each have one minute for an opening statement to share your thoughts about the attacks in Paris, and lay out your vision for America. First, Senator Sanders.


After some brief remarks on the attacks in Paris, he proceeded to outline his vision for America as Dickerson implied. He was the only person to answer both parts of Dickerson's question.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH BERNIE!!!!1!!!

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
127. It isn't a talking point -- it is literally what happened. If you don't like the facts, pick a good
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:56 PM
Dec 2015

candidate.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
131. Yes we know what happened, he danced off to another subject, I know the facts and I have read this
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:18 PM
Dec 2015

explanation before. And yes, I have picked a good candidate, Hillary Clinton.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
64. No, Hillary does not have her feet stuck in cement and has not been
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:53 AM
Dec 2015

Saying the same things for forty years. We are not in the 70's and 80's any more.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
104. Sanders is Stuck with same talking points and can't seem to change
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:19 AM
Dec 2015

Hillary is up to date you may not agree with her but at least she's not stuck and will answer questions unlike Bernie who doesn't give realistic solutions

gordyfl

(598 posts)
133. He's a Rock.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:18 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, Hillary's always evolving.

"I'm for it", "I"m against it".

"l"ll answer that when I'm president."

"We"ll talk about it, and make a decision."

"No boots on the ground!!.....We'll just send Special Ops, Trainers, Enablers. Air attacks. We won't be sending thousands the way we did Iraq."

"Wiped my sever? Like with a cloth?"

"Why do I take money from Wall Steet?....911"

Yes Hillary has many different answers.

Bernie is consistent. He's a rock.


 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. Sanders comes across as a baby when he complains about media coverage
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:32 AM
Dec 2015

Clearly his campaign is starting to get desperate.

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
36. Not as desperate as the graphic in your tagline celebrating the loss of a DUer
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:11 AM
Dec 2015

Maybe desperate isn't the right word.

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
140. You support them by grave dancing?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

I am sure the admins love it when posters grave dance. I bet board discord is like the most awesome thing to them. How helpful of you!


Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
144. Symbolism escapes you too?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:38 PM
Dec 2015

I am over Loonix. I really didn't know him.

What I am not over is you grave dancing. Grave dancing is one of the things that makes DU suck.

Boogie On.

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
150. I have no business with the admins on this matter. I don't think you should be banned.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:16 PM
Dec 2015

I just don't think you should grave dance.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
157. Omfg...get over it already
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:47 PM
Dec 2015

I'm glad that poster is gone. I may just resurrect my bug zapper too to counter the continued whine.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
168. you said that over and over and over and...no one cares why you are whining...you continue to whine
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 12:30 PM
Dec 2015

and good riddance to that poster....he's not dead, he's got plenty of places to sound off, and likely he does just that.

I'm glad he gone, doesn't matter that I don't care for your determination that people are grave dancing, I see it as a celebrating a nasty disruptor's chance to move on out into the big world.

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
169. If I said it over and over and no one cares
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 01:04 PM
Dec 2015

Why did you:
a> say I was arguing something different and
b> respond?

Grave dancing makes DU suck. Please refrain from doing so and defending others who do it. Thanks in advance!

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
53. I'm not the victim
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 08:58 AM
Dec 2015

Loonix was.

People who grave dance suck. Take your own advice and &quot s)top playing the victim ok?"

Thanks and have a great day.

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
55. I am not defending those who won't support a Dem nominee
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:07 AM
Dec 2015

I am criticizing grave dancing. It makes DU suck. Quit defending the indefensible by changing the subject.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
80. Its in response
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:38 AM
Dec 2015

I don't see you complaining about those supporting the clear violation of TOS that have their own graphic....

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
114. Not supporting the violation. Supporting the user.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

Pretty much in a direct response to the grave dancing--you know the stuff that makes DU suck.

Fortunately, it is a free country and you are free to show your lack-of-compassion and incivility in such a manner if you desire. And you apparently do.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
116. Yes supporting the violation
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:40 AM
Dec 2015

It was very clear......that poster had a vile history....and as it turned out...was anti-Democratic

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
120. If it let's you sleep at night.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:54 AM
Dec 2015

Wouldn't it be easier just to not keep adding to the things that make DU suck by ceasing the grave dancing?

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
142. Well grave dancing is quite a workout.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:36 PM
Dec 2015

It takes a lot a work to make DU suck. I can imagine you get tired.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
143. Nope....I drink plenty of antioxidant coffee...when I support the DU Administration
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:37 PM
Dec 2015

What do you do?

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
145. I drink coffee too. I had no idea that supported DU.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

You must drink a lot to make up for all the grave dancing you do.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
147. I do....why don't you?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015

They made the decision to serve the pizza for the troll doing anti-democratic posting did they not ?

Seems your grievance is with them...

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
149. There are neutron stars less dense than you
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

I am going to repeat this again. Read it slowly and if you don't understand a word, look it up.

I am not defending the actions of any DUer who was banned by the administrators. I am telling you that grave dancing makes DU suck.


Read that again.


Now again for understanding.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
117. If that is the stance you want to take...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:42 AM
Dec 2015

Then these are in support of the Democratic Party and symbolize GOTV

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
3. They aren't covering Hillary either
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:38 AM
Dec 2015

Thanks to an inept DNC that has worked to keep exposure to our candidates to a minimum to try to benefit Hillary.
Trump is resonating with angry voters and the Democrats are nowhere to be seen.
But that's just fine with you because at least it's not helping Bernie right?
No wonder the Democrats have done so well in elections over the past few years!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
11. I bet you even believe that
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:07 AM
Dec 2015

Lack of substance and drama deserve the most coverage? Deep, very deep.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Don't bet the farm.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:13 AM
Dec 2015

Trump is newsworthy. That's a fact. He's personally and ethically not worthy of much, but he's a master at making and being news.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
20. No he's not. Why do you say he is?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:00 AM
Dec 2015

The only reason he's ahead is all the free publicity he's getting from the media. If he weren't getting it and were getting ignored he would be much lower in the polls.

So why does the media want such a clown to be ahead in the polls? Why do they give such a clown so much free air time? Because it's good for ratings. It keeps people watching. They don't want people to think about real issues that Bernie is talking about. You know tha

The things Hillary supporters will say... what a joke.

.

comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
119. It's all a conspiracy masterminded by the all powerful Hillary
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:47 AM
Dec 2015

The fact that Bernie's campaign is not getting news coverage is all Hillary's fault don't ya know. Hillary controls the media, don't let the fact that the big media have smeared Hillary for the last 20 years confuse you. It's all a sinister plot.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
138. There you go putting words in people's mouths.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:00 PM
Dec 2015

sure that what I was thinking chief.

The Hillary bunch just keeps getting more pathetic with every passing day.

The dishonest intellect is quite becoming of you.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
81. He sells advertising
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:41 AM
Dec 2015

Is this all that is left to the Sanders campaign? Perhaps he should spend some of all that capital I hear has raised and buy some time.....

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
154. He is NOT newsworthy,
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:28 PM
Dec 2015

He is an asshole.
Why should assholes be in the 'news?'

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
---for the oligarchy.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
79. This isn't social media
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:36 AM
Dec 2015

You believe the media is doing the right thing in giving his racist agenda lots and lots of free publicity. That is nauseating coming from a supposed Democrat.

Every day her supporters become more and more right wing. It's disturbing.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
175. Because they think it is safe to do so.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:41 AM
Dec 2015

Because they think she has somehow magically already won because the media isn't paying as much attention to Bernie.

I have seen tons of people with Third Way banners popping up lately that think it is safe to come crawling out of the woodwork. Let us see what they say in a couple of weeks after New Hampshire and Iowa. Bernie is going to win the former and the later is going to be a lot closer than people think.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
12. The Trump campaign DESERVES all the coverage ...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:11 AM
Dec 2015

if that is what you believe, then maybe they deserve our votes as well.






NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. See post 13.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:15 AM
Dec 2015

That's not my criteria. The criteria you use for deciding on how to cast your vote is entirely up to you.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
170. Saying someone deserves coverage doesn't mean that that person is good.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 01:07 PM
Dec 2015

The Planned Parenthood shooter and the San Bernardino shooters deserved coverage, in the sense they made news, right?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
171. Correct! For the purpose of outrage, it appears that ...
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 01:48 PM
Dec 2015

... some people intentionally misunderstand and overlook the obvious. But what can ya do? It happens so frequently, that it's hardly worth worrying about anymore.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
173. You honestly think Trump Deserves all the coverage he has had by the corporate media ...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:58 AM
Dec 2015

you can spin this if you want, but the Media plays a large role in promoting or demoting candidates.



BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
174. The media absolutely has a lot of power.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:36 AM
Dec 2015

For example, they adored John McCain in 2000 and Barack Obama in 2008. They've never liked Hillary Clinton-- in fact, I think their bizarre obsession with Hillary Clinton's email had a lot to do with her summer swoon.

However, Donald Trump is the frontrunner for one of the major parties in the United States, and he's been making a lot of news-- most of it bad. I don't really blame them too much in this case.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
67. That is an excellent question!
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:58 AM
Dec 2015

It certainly is lacking in comparison to BBC World News. The PBS News Hour is likely our most comprehensive news show.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. Not as much as your sour grapes.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:49 AM
Dec 2015

The point of this campaign is to expose corporate malfeasance.

Can't wait to beat* the war monger and her corporate cronies.



*beat: as in win, not flog, just in case any alert stalkers are worried.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
21. "ABC World News Tonight" gets 8 million viewers per night.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:06 AM
Dec 2015

"The Tonight Show with Jimmy Kimmel" gets 4 million viewers per night.

Donald Trump repeatedly getting coverage on "ABC World News Tonight" is more publicity than Bernie Sanders getting to make one appearance on "The Tonight Show with Jimmy Kimmel."

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
22. Lets be honest, Trump and Hillary have been famous for decades
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:15 AM
Dec 2015

Trump has been a billionaire and a friend of the media (based in New York City) since the 80s, getting really popular with the Apprentice show series.

Hillary Clinton was First Lady, Senator of New York (a large state), ran for president in 2008, and was Secretary of State.

Bernie Sanders, a senator from the small state of Vermont, until recently has been a relative nobody, pretty much only known by Vermonters and fans of the Thom Hartmann show.

comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
24. Face it Bernie is a one note samba
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:21 AM
Dec 2015

He repeats the same message over and over. He avoids foreign policy or any other topic that is not bashing Wall Street. He hasn't had anything new to say since September. He's boring. He is also thin skinned cheerless.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
27. Versus the Weathervane Shape Shifter...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:43 AM
Dec 2015

That has "evolved" over and over or simply COPIED Bernie's message.

Don't forget her sabre rattling War Hawk stuff!


kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
176. Yeah... three boring talking points...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:44 AM
Dec 2015

Like being for regulating the banks properly and breaking up the big banks

Like being for a $15 dollar minimum wage.

Like seeking to remove the cap on social security taxes so that the millionaires pay the same rate as doctors making a hundred thousand a year.

Like free public colleges and universities.

What a crappy retort. Do you wonder why Sanders supporters don't fall over for Hillary. That kind of statement you made is probably exhibit 1.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
160. Boring and yelling?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:00 PM
Dec 2015

DU has devolved immensely if that's what you're using to discredit Bernie. 2 nothings that don't help us at all.

your brilliance is blinding.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
177. When they can't talk the issues
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:45 AM
Dec 2015

They accuse supporters of being terrible people. They have been doing it for six months. It really is all they seem to have since Bernie is better on every single issue.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
25. The numbers don't lie...it's a virtual blackout for both him and O'Malley.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:40 AM
Dec 2015

No whining involved.

At least he isn't gonna sit down with $30,000+ a plate Banksters and Billionaires in NYC on the 18th.

R B Garr

(16,966 posts)
29. It's all theatrics. He never misses a photo-op.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:46 AM
Dec 2015

It's not even believable. Just scripted theater. His campaign manager sounds phony. Sanders is a U.S. Senator. He has no problem getting on T.V. This is being over done.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
30. Trump gets a lot more publicity than Hillary, too. He keeps saying outrageous things,
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:53 AM
Dec 2015

and that's what's getting him the media attention.

Unfortunately, Hillary, Martin, and Bernie get less coverage simply because they always sound like caring, rational human beings.

Where's the entertainment value in that?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
31. To me the genuinely scary thing is to what extent almost everyone gets
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:55 AM
Dec 2015

their knowledge of the world from the main stream media.

Most people watch regular commercial TV. They maybe watch one of the three (might it be four by now?) major networks for their news. Such as it is. They watch whatever the current most popular shows are on broadcast TV. I honestly don't know what those shows might be these days.

Worse yet, most people make their decisions about who to vote for based on the ads that are run over and over during the regular campaign: "Do you know that Candidate X tortures small mammals in his spare time? Is this the kind of person we want in (Congress, the Senate, as President)?"

I don't happen to own a TV. I watch a reasonable amount of television via the internet. The very, very best thing is that I am not subject to advertising. Not the political kind, and not the kind that exhorts us to buy buy buy, spend spend spend. I wake up every morning to Amy Goodman. My local community radio station has the BBC on before and after her, and at other times during the day. I also read my local newspaper, so I have a pretty good idea of what's going on in my community. But what I don't get -- and don't miss at all -- are the political ads telling me how truly terrible some candidate is, nor am I exposed to the ads that assure me I'll be sexy and desirable if I use the right toothpaste or drive the right car.

I really wish I could persuade more people to give up conventional TV, be it broadcast, cable, or satellite. When I moved to my current location (Santa Fe, NM) there were several reasons why I didn't get a TV, but it mainly came down to cost. I didn't want to spend the money on a TV set, didn't want to pay the cost of cable or satellite. There was a trivial issue about the location of the connection, which would have required any TV be set directly in front of the only window in the living room, which made no sense to me. I viewed it as an experiment, and at the beginning assumed I'd be getting a TV (cable or satellite) within a year. But then I discovered that what I really wanted to watch I could watch on the internet, and as time went by found I simply didn't miss regular TV at all. At this point, more than seven years into that "experiment" I can't imagine ever having regular TV again. When I'm in a hotel and turn on the TV, I invariably wind up turning it off after no more than 30 minutes because I can't abide the endless commercials. I think regular TV viewers have become immune to them, which is unfortunate. Because you're really not immune, you just think you are. They are still occupying a significant percent of the broadcast time, and you see and hear those ads and they insuate themselves into your brain. Not a good thing at all.

Here's something else connected to not having a TV but having the internet: When some sort of breaking news occurs, I just google the TV stations in that city, and invariably they will have gone to live streaming. I find that the feed from a local TV station is vastly better than what I'd get by turning on my TV (if I had one) and tuning into the network broadcast of the same thing. Quite amazing.


LuvLoogie

(7,020 posts)
39. All Bernie has to do is start ripping on Hillary
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:35 AM
Dec 2015

and calling her names. He needs to be a reflection of the rank and file Revolution.

The media wants a mud fight. I f they want to hear Bernie's answers and positions on anything, all they need to do is get permission from Thom Hartman to run one tape from one show of Breakfast with Bernie. And it doesn't matter which show.

comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
121. Maybe he should bring up the rumor that Hillary murderd Vince Foster
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:56 AM
Dec 2015

or blame Hillary for Bill's infidelity, or resurrect Whitewater. That would get him some coverage. The Iraq vote is old news and the reality is Bernie is perceived as either too dovish or uninterested in the rest of the world.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
44. Must feel nice to be among those who don't have to worry about such things?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:52 AM
Dec 2015

Haven't we all been made aware of the effects and results of "privilege" during this election season?

Now, as a white male myself, I can get kind of offended too, when people accuse me of privilege and I haven't actually been demonstrating it or the results of it, just the color of my skin and my gender.

But when certain people deride others for making a stink out of things that truly do stink, like the preposterous and rigged scheduling of the debates or the ridiculous inequity of reporting on major candidates, that strikes me as more than disingenuous.

C'mon, get with it. We're in the end on the same side, and candidates should get equal treatment if we are to truly select the "best one", the one that best represents the people.

I know those who support Hillary are all too happy to exult in some of the inequities, but it surely does not help the cause.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
132. Sounds fine to me.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:52 PM
Dec 2015

He already talks about changing the media, something that should have been brought up and handled long ago.

As long as Rightwing radio and TV spews forth 24/7 all over the country, how do we resist the relentless dumbing down that occurs?

When "mainstream" radio and TV does pretty much the same thing, including CNN, NPR, etc., there really is almost nowhere to get non-rightwing media coverage, except maybe the foreign news.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
155. I get it, when our candidate complains about something it's "whining".
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:28 PM
Dec 2015

I get it, when our candidate complains about something it's "whining".

When your candidate complains about something it's undoubtedly "justified".

Less name-calling and more compassion all the way around would be helpful, I would think.

I suppose you think we shouldn't "whine" either about how the DNC has engineered the debates as if they wanted absolutely the least coverage and attendance possible. Clearly, to any unbiased eye, an engineered system that is counter-intuitive, unless you wish to skew the results a certain way.

Please don't call it whining, and we will try to keep the name-calling to a minimum too. Stating the facts, that's another story.

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
48. The continual attacks on Bernie over foolish issues make it less likely Bernie supporters
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:31 AM
Dec 2015

will come out for Hillary if she's the nominee. And she will desperately need us. You're doing your candidate harm.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
73. The same argument could be made the other way 'round ...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:12 AM
Dec 2015

... except for the fact that this website and its individual threads and comments do not have the reach or penetration into the public consciousness that you imagine.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
99. It's attributable to push-back (likely from both sides) ...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:01 AM
Dec 2015

... but in the grand scheme of national politics, and the actual influence of the things written here on this website, it matters not a whit. It's a closed ecosystem that's filled with politically inclined individuals who choose to be here, and not representative of the real world.

With regard to the topic, it appears that you have selective vision and likely remember only those things that bother you the most. Bernie is no victim, and his fans are not the angelic choirboys that you seem to view them as.

I suppose it's completely natural for Bernie's fans and his campaign to try and find a scapegoat or to imagine conspiracies as an excuse for the failings of his campaign. No doubt this brings much solace and comfort to a troubled campaign and its enthusiasts.

Instead of searching for a scapegoat, I can only suggest that Bernie's campaign and its followers look inward for the reasons that his poll numbers and endorsements are so dismal. Ask yourselves what other reasons there may be that his appeal seems to be so limited.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
102. You'd need to take that up with the OP. There's no way for me to know...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:13 AM
Dec 2015

... but it seems unlikely that it would take such a long time. It's a peevish criticism of the OP in my opinion, your efforts to characterize the OP as coming from a place of fear defies logic. It is, very plainly, a post that points out the behavior of Bernie's campaign has all the hallmarks of one that knows it's suffering. Strong and robust campaigns don't need to search for scapegoats or make excuses.

The answers you seek will come from within, but first you must be willing to look and not be afraid of what you see.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
90. I don't know about him, but I'm delighted by it.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:55 AM
Dec 2015

"Least electable Republican candidate has better chance of winning than least electable Democratic candidate" is something I'm enthused by.

Except possibly for Carson, Trump is the only Republican I'd bet on Clinton to beat, and the only one I'd score Sanders as having a snowball's chance in hell against.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
96. We are seeing a lot of Hillary supporters delighted with Trump lately
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:58 AM
Dec 2015

And pushing right wing ideology. We can all see where this is going.

Her supporters are becoming very anti-Democratic.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
101. What's anti-Democratic about wanting the Democrats to win elections?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:05 AM
Dec 2015

You could make a case that expressing support for an opposing candidate likely to lose is machiavellian and small-d anti-democratic (although I wouldn't agree with it), but to suggest that it's large-D anti-Democratic is absurd.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
108. +1
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:29 AM
Dec 2015

Trump is a gift. He will cause the GOP to implode, or he'll split their vote. Either way, we win (as Democrats and as Americans.) His negative effect on the GOP will likely last for a generation.

Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
165. How sill Sanders compete financially in general election
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:45 PM
Dec 2015

I keep asking the same question and to date i have not seen an explation as to how Sanders competes n a general election where the Kochs will be sprnding $887 million ans the RNC candisste may spend anothrt billion dollars. Sanders lacks the financial resouces to be viable in a general election contest where the Koshs can spend $300 million on negative ads using the ters "socialist" and "socialism".

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
166. Because this is the internet age
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:09 PM
Dec 2015

No longer just the TV age. The old methods are no longer the only options open to us. We can reach the voters without just having to throw a billion dollars at the networks.

Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
163. If either Trump or Sanders became their party's nominee, then that party would lose
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:35 PM
Dec 2015

Sanders is not viable in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate may spend another billion dollars. Sanders has a 6% chance of being the democratic nominee because most Democrats do not believe he is viable in the general election.

Trump has a 21% chance of being the nominee because the gop base is full of crazy people who believe that Romney and mcCain lost because they were too liberal. A Trump nomination could help the Democratic partywin the Senate and the House back. The RNC will stop Trump or risk losing Congress.

Neither Sanders nor Trump are that likely to be their party's nominee

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
51. I can't believe his campaign is whining about this now
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 08:42 AM
Dec 2015

After months of saying they don't need MSM, tool of the Oligarchy, the internets and facebook is gonna elect Bernie!!11!1

What happened???

livetohike

(22,156 posts)
56. Sanders can't have it both ways. He rails against the establishment, but wants to have that same
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:34 AM
Dec 2015

establishment do his bidding. He always seems to be complaining with no solutions that are realistic. Maybe that's why his coverage is sparse.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
57. It's nice to know pointing out the truth is whining.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:39 AM
Dec 2015

So when someone gets robbed or beaten and they point that out, what a bunch of whiny babies. Or if you point out income inequality what a bunch of whiny losers right? Or if you point out that people die for lack of health care well maybe they should focus more on making enough money to pay for the right to live rather than whine about it, right?

Sure in the scheme of things not getting coverage in the news is a small thing. But, we are talking about corporate control over nearly every facet of life in the United States and that is not a small thing.

I remember back in the day when progressives were the champions of people who are oppressed.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Response to RandySF (Original post)

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
60. This from the HRC camp who had vapors about the word "shout"?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:48 AM
Dec 2015


Give me a break. At least the Sanders camp provided a quantifiable issue.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
63. There's a complaint I can get behind
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:50 AM
Dec 2015

But then the M$M always did favor the Rs.

There's no reason for Trump to get more coverage. Maybe he is more extreme to the right than Bernie is to the left and thus his remarks are more outrageous. That's the reason for the Trump coverage, IMO.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
65. Clinton has understood the medias intentions for decades.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:54 AM
Dec 2015

Sanders is figuring it out now that he is meandering outside of Vermont. This is nothing new.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
139. I barely hear
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:31 PM
Dec 2015

anything about O'M. In contrast, BS has been all over radio and on TV (especially MSNBC). A person would either have to be dishonest or inattentive to claim that he hasn't gotten much media coverage, yet Media Matters et al. are still running with this story.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
167. I agree. And I would agree with the assertion in this OP that Sanders' media coverage INTERNATIONALL
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 08:18 PM
Dec 2015

is practically nil. At the first debate, the journalists at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation referred to it as "Hillary Clinton versus a bunch of nobodies" (which was actually a slam on Sanders, O'Malley and Chafee at the time) and he is really a non-entity in the international press.

Having said that, the unrelenting attacks on the OP for daring to post this piece are absolutely unhinged. NOBODY who is the tiniest bit secure in their choice for candidate feels the need to launch these stupid, UNENDING and pointless personal attacks. The hatefulness reveals far more truth than all of the "rah, rah!!1" ever could.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
68. So valid criticisms of the media are now referred to as whiining?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:01 AM
Dec 2015

Can't get much more regressive than that.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
105. Good to know you think the state of the media is just fine.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:24 AM
Dec 2015

Are you also against net neutrality? Very progressive views wouldn't you say?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
106. Assumption and redicrection, indications of no argument.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:25 AM
Dec 2015

Why would you assume a position on net neutrality based upon the fact I stated where failing campaigns ALWAYS blame the media?

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
89. At least when Trump waves his arms and yells he is entertaining!
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:53 AM
Dec 2015

Maybe Sanders should say that he did it first!

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
97. yup
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:59 AM
Dec 2015

It hurts their own candidate as well but they don't give a shit about that as long it hurts Bernie.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
98. How about hurting Americans, fairness, First Amendment values, etc.? Throw all that down the tubes?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:01 AM
Dec 2015

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
112. Yep, and know need for public air waves. Full control by the corporate owned media.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:32 AM
Dec 2015

Disgusting that some here have no problem with that.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
118. If Bernie wants Trump-like attention - he needs to make ridiculous, over the top statements
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:46 AM
Dec 2015

The Networks following "interesting" candidates who produce new stories every day. Bernie has been saying the same things for 40 years.

It would also help if he was the least bit competitive. Trump leads the Republican field in every state, Bernie trails badly in almost every state. However, several of the other Republican candidates - Cruz, Rubio, and Carson - are much more competitive with Trump than Bernie is with Hillary. Since Trump is such a decisive figure, even within the GOP, his closest competitors are going to get decent coverage.

It's not about "corporate network" deliberately shunning Bernie. News networks are about one thing, ratings. If Bernie gave them the best ratings, they would follow him around with a hundred cameras everywhere he goes.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
124. Democrats do not play fair. Media doesn't play fair. Yet, he wants votes to step into White House
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

make these huge changes.

He has spent his whole career tickled being the Socialist, and now he wants special treatment.

New Hampshire was another. And unions who back Clinton.

We hear this a lot from Sanders.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
126. Note that your headline is not Variety's nor does it reflect what Variety reports.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

This is written by Ted Johnson who is Senior Editor at Variety. Johnson is in agreement with Sanders' statements and while the OP might not understand this, Johnson's point about Sanders being on late night entertainment programming more than on the news programming is a criticism of the news programming, not an argument that Sanders is getting plenty of air time. In the industry, the idea that a major candidate is seen more on talk shows than on news shows speaks poorly for the news shows. This is not how it is supposed to be. This is understood by the readership of Variety.

In terms of the OP's choice of verbiage, I don't care for that sort of thing. It is particularly odious when used to exploit the words of another writer and twist them to serve a personal narrative.

So not very insightful, lacking in ethics and wallowing in insulting verbiage. My criticism of the OP is very similar to Johnson's criticism of the news media. It's more about entertainment than honesty.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
146. Everyone knows that the msm has - if anything a liberal bias. We all remember how the media
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:58 PM
Dec 2015

constantly smeared President Reagan in the 80's, how they fawned over the Clinton's in the 90's and kept secret from American people countless tawdry scandals, how in 2002-2003 the mainstream media fought viciously to undermine President Bush's and Vice President's Cheney's war policy even denying that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even as our troops where marching into battle.

Yet, Bernie has the unmitigated nerve and temerity to suggest that the media is biased. PREPOSTEROUS!! I TELL YOU!! PREPOSTEROUS!!! Next thing you know, he'll be suggesting that there is a vast right-wing conspiracy.

question everything

(47,518 posts)
152. Just leafed through TIME magazine
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015

where the showed all the 2015 cover pages. So here was Trump, and Carson, and Bernie but no.... Hillary.

So Bernie, like Trump and Carson, should stop whining.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
172. Not quite true.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:55 PM
Dec 2015

They did well by her in 2014


And made reminded us of her again in 2015. Not the most flattering picture, but there she is.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
164. I came back to see if you had the basic decency to address the points I raised and the OP has
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

not responded to anyone. A drive by smearing of a Democratic candidate. Pure class.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
179. I suppose you supported the swiftboating of Kerry by the media
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:48 AM
Dec 2015

The media is not on any liberal's side, so if they're on your side, your are a political enemy of liberals.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
181. How come so many rightwing men call it "whining"
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:47 AM
Dec 2015

when the "little people" talk about fairness?

What is it about fairness that makes righties get so smug and sarcastic?

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