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The corporately-owned may not like Bernies anti-establishment views but for the sake of American democracy they must allow for a fair debate in this presidential campaign, said Jeff Weaver, Sanders campaign manager. Bernie must receive the same level of coverage on the nightly news as other leading candidates. (Part of Bernie campaign statement)
There is no objective metric that the media can use to justify their blackout of his campaign. Sanders polls equal to or better Trump. Sen. Sanders beats Trump in potential head to head election matchups. Sen. Sanders has consistently drawn bigger crowds than any other candidate. Sanders is a legitimate presidential contender, yet he is being ignored by the corporate network news.
The explanation is that Sanders is a threat to the billionaires and corporations who own the networks. The corporate press has convinced itself that America is a conservative nation that has no interest in liberal politics, and that voters are too stupid to care about the issues. Both of these self-serving fallacies allow the corporate press to treat news like entertainment while devoting most of their political airtime to politicians who will serve their pro-corporate agenda.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/11/bernie-sanders-media-bias-blackout.html
DJ13
(23,671 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)With Trump hogging the majority of the coverage.
We have THREE Democratic candidates and you'll only hear about ONE majority of the time.
None to minimal Sanders and poor Martin O'Malley doesn't even exist.
Coincidence? I highly doubt it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This is the kind of media we would expect to see in a totalitarian regime.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)The chatter was about how the GOP is gonna handle Trump and who might replace him - and how whoever it was that comes to be the GOP nominee will fare against Hillary. Not so much as a whisper about senator Sanders. And yes, I know that PBS has sold out too.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I can't listen to one minute of NPR or watch PBS. That damn liberal media.
Duval
(4,280 posts)We need to break them up or institute REGULATIONS. Gee, The Fairness Doctrine rings a bell somewhere.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Now they can lie to the people with impunity.
The lies set us up for more trade deals and more deregulation. All we ever heard was how deregulation and trade deals would create competition and lower prices (calculated lies).
A democracy cannot function without a fair media. With all the print, radio and TV media concentrated in the hands of a few "our" democracy is but a shadow of its former self. I have lost every bit of my sense of patriotism.
lobodons
(1,290 posts)every time I hear about a Dem Candidate its always Bernie. Um, Hello MSM, there are two other candidates on the Dem side. Its like the MSM is trying to make up for Hillary's 11 hour marathon inquisition and give Bernie equal time.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)FAIL.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Call those corrupt bastards out for the worthless scum they are.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Stating clearly Progressive Populist Policies.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)As a former media person in both radio and television, it would be wonderful in my lifetime to see a media that operates from the principles of Edward R. Murrow-my mentor. Besides, if you are not familiar with what a "corrupt media" is like, I would suggest goggle or bing to find the answer. Sorry. Trying to deflect my attention won't work.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)There is a big difference between self-actualization of achievement of Bernie and it being someone's turn.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)brooklynite
(94,679 posts)Hillary's out campaigning every day and building a team to turn out votes. Has she complained about the media covering Benghazi or the email "scandal"?
Bottom line - Trump gets more air time because he says things outrageous enough to get coverage. You'd probably like a network that hold policy symposia in prime time, but there's no sign that the average viewer is looking for one. Networks cover stories that get them an audience. And smart politicians go into campaigns knowing what the situation is.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She doesn't care complain.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie (who has always fought for women's rights) is a sexist in his use of language.
Bernie should stop his campaign because after Hillary is ahead in some of the polls.
Hillary is a big complainer.
Bernie complains on behalf of the people who need to hear his message.
Hillary complains about nonexistent personal slights.
Which one is petty?
madokie
(51,076 posts)Bernie will be our next president. I hear too many people mentioning his name and I've yet to hear his name in the same tone as I have Hillarys. I've yet to hear anyone say they wouldn't vote for him and you know what I've heard hundreds of time that about hillay. In fact People will just volunteer that even when you aren't expecting it. Hillay does not have the support of the majority who will vote. Simple as that.
Thats what I see here. I hear republicans saying things like I like this guy, referring to Senator Sanders, the socialist even. They don't even seem to be bothers with that talk at all. as I never hear it mentioned. Everybody knows how its supposed to be and they see Bernie standing up for that and they're learning that he has stand up his whole political life, people like that. He's a good man and we'll be blessed to have him as President.
There will be a lot of cross over votes you can bet on that. People in this country as a whole are fed up with the way things are and when they look at Hillary that is exactly what they see, more of the same. People also seen how Obama was treated by not only the republiCON party but also Hillary voters too these last damn near 6 years and 11 months. If anyone can't see that they can't see anything is what I think And they are tired of all of that shit.
All we got to do is vote and we can make the changes needed, all we need is the votes. I believe Bernie can bring those votes in in droves.
We can take the house and the senate, all we have to do is get out the vote.
sorry to drone on
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)No need to whine when you will just change positions to win votes.
Trust and integrity are two qualities Bernie has that Hillary lacks. That's the President we need.
MADem
(135,425 posts)More to the point, I don't see either Sanders OR Clinton calling for deportations, or exclusions from immigration based on religion.
See, that kind of thing is NEWS. And that is why people are covering Trump. Because he is saying Batshit Crazy Things.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Isn't doing Hillary any favors either. Thanks DWS!
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)"GOP in chaos over Donald Trump"
Nope -- you can't buy that kind of coverage...
MADem
(135,425 posts)That means people will vote for him!! Because they SAID his NAME!!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)accusing Bernie of whining.. Not far.
paleotn
(17,938 posts)Was Brian Williams there as well? Try again, Wall Street.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)PoiBoy
(1,542 posts)CEO of CBS News Caught Celebrating Trumps Bigotry: Hes Making Us Phenomenal Profits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027440787
The corporate media has become nothing more than a propaganda megaphone and is the biggest threat to our Democracy, IMO...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)The corporately-owned may not like Bernies anti-establishment views but for the sake of American democracy they must allow for a fair debate in this presidential campaign. Bernie must receive the same level of coverage on the nightly news as other leading candidates.
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/take-on-corporate-media?source=tw12112015
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
reddread
(6,896 posts)thats the best way there.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Screw the Corporate Owned MSM! They will have their arses handed to them - first in the Primaries and then November, 2016!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
RichVRichV
(885 posts)Older people tend to rely on television more for their news (older the age group, more likely to be heavy tv viewers), younger people tend to rely on the internet. The MSM is pushing the "Hillary is inevitable" theme constantly. So she polls very well with the older generation. The younger crowd goes to the internet where Bernie has gotten his message out, so he does extremely well there. The problem is without television Bernie can't reach much of the older age groups to the levels he needs.
It's why the young need to mobilize the ground game and talk to every older voter we know. It's the only way to get our message to many of them with the media blackout.
And yes I recognize this is a generalization, but there are statistics to back up this split in age groups.
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Then, again ... there's that mobilize the ground game thing. That can't be effectively done from a keyboard.
jalan48
(13,879 posts)Conservative Democrats and Republicans don't want Bernie to get his message out. Sad.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Bernie is getting his message out, loud and clear.
jalan48
(13,879 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)So we are sure doing are part. And Bernie wouldn't have his huge turnouts if the word wasn't getting out.
jalan48
(13,879 posts)The reason they know little is because of the media blackout. His ideas are a threat to Wall St. and the big media corporations, they have no interest in him being able to educate Americans as to what is really going on in the country.
senz
(11,945 posts)In a fair, unbiased system, they would.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)They're friends, working towards the same goal of electing more Democrats and fewer Republicans to public office.
jalan48
(13,879 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)They get along better than some of Sanders supporters seem to manage.
Thanks for the demonstration!
jalan48
(13,879 posts)It has nothing to do with electing more Democrats-it's about educating the American public about our rigged political and economic systems.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's not the job of the media to air Sanders' stump speech. They aired it often enough when he was pulling in big crowds. It's not their job to TOUT for him.
He's on Meet the Press or Face the Nation or CNN or MSNBC every weekend. More than Clinton, certainly.
If he says something newsworthy, they'll cover it.
Trump's xenophobic remarks may be hateful and strange, but they're sure as hell newsworthy. I'm trying to remember the last time I heard a POTUS candidate say "Deport them all!" and "Let's impose a religious test on immigration!!" That is weird. That is hateful. That is NEWS. "I support a pay raise and more jobs" is just not news. It's the same campaign promise that we've heard from almost every candidate for the last century.
No one is "limiting Bernie's message." He goes on all the Sunday talkers and gets a good chunk of free time. He's free to buy commercial air time--like everyone else is doing-- if he really wants to get his message out, too.
He's coming off as a whiner though--not a leader--when he gripes in this fashion about the Mean Old MSM.
jalan48
(13,879 posts)He needs to be covered like every other major candidate. What? He's supposed to jump up and down and say stupid things to get on TV? I think you are missing the part where elections are about ideas, not personalities or more importantly, the cult of personalities.
MADem
(135,425 posts)covered?
I'm not seeing Clinton on every newscast either--but I am also not seeing her boo-hooing about it and crying "Unfair-sies!"
Trump is making racist and xenophobic comments that suggest that we should impose religious tests on immigrants, and toss out Hispanics on their ears from our country. He's getting a bit "Adolph-y" with his invective--and that, like it or not, is NOT what we hear as a matter of routine during a POTUS run.
THAT is why his comments are newsworthy--because they are reprehensible.
If you think that's "good" coverage, you're not processing what he is saying.
jalan48
(13,879 posts)I thought elections were about ideas? And Bernie's ideas are new and refreshing-he's not the same old establishment candidate. Trump is making a mockery of the process. That should be obvious to anyone paying attention. Trump is pushing the political spectrum further to the right making people like Bush and Rubio look moderate. Is this a good thing? I don't think so.
MADem
(135,425 posts)LOCAL news can carry a little "Candidate X was in town tonight, held a rally at the Civic Center attended by blah blah blah" blurb, but we don't need to see the same damn stump speech over and over and over again. Not on the national nightly news, certainly. Not from "Berrrrnie" -- or from anyone else.
When a candidate starts saying "Deport this entire class and culture of people, to include their (cough) anchor (cough) babies..." and "Bar the door to THOSE people based on their religion" that is huge (or should I say YUUUUUUUUUUGE) news. That's a new platform plank, and it contravenes our culture and our Constitution. THAT's why it's news.
If you think that kind of "Listen to what this asshole is saying NOW" coverage is "positive" for Trump, you have no faith in the American people at all.
jalan48
(13,879 posts)Trump is pushing the spectrum to the right. He's making right wingers like Rubio and Bush look middle of the road. The corporations love it. No chance of someone coming in and raising their taxes to pay for social programs. Bernie points this out, that's why he isn't seen on TV. Look at the numbers-he hasn't been on much at all-even at the beginning when his ideas were "news" as you would call it. Trump's a diversion-he's keeping the public's attention focused anywhere but on the problems facing the majority of Americans. It really is sad and no, I don't have much faith in the American people-they are too easily led by fear-think 9/11 and George Bush's Iraq war.
MADem
(135,425 posts)racist and xenophobic and the media covers it.
Trump isn't "pushing" anything. He's coming off like a hate-filled NUTTER and thank heavens people are noticing.
When Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal regretfully admits that the voting public has a problem with him, he's not quite the Bee's Knees with the wingnut set:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/did-trump-miscalculate-1449859335
Did Trump Miscalculate?
His Muslim-exclusion plan flops in an early poll.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)to be spontaneous she shoots herself in the foot. "We were dead broke when we left the White House" ring any bells?
MADem
(135,425 posts)But you keep on with your talking points, if you'd like!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But the reason the campaign has her so locked down is because they fear her foot in mouth off the cuff remarks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)If the campaign wasn't hamstrung by a self-inflicted budget problems ($40.00 at a time, doesn't go very far these days), the campaign wouldn't have to rely on "the media" to get his message out.
But that's what happens when you "don't play by the rules of the game", you're reduced to complaining that the "game is rigged."
MADem
(135,425 posts)PAC money. And maybe money from other PACs as well.
Now that he's coordinating with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to host a few DNC fundraisers where they split the take, he might be able to scrape a bit more cash together.
And after a while, "the people" get tired of reaching for their wallets all the time (notwithstanding the usual DU retort along the lines of "Harrumph--now that comment *MADE ME DONATE* 'whatever' amount" -- like it hurts people that they spend their money howsoever they wish, or something).
It all seems like a grand adventure at the start of it all, but when most of the very loyal are pressed to donate up to $2700 before we even get to the General election--and Christmas is coming, fuel bills need to be paid...it's not easy to keep that "bern" burning when there are bills to pay.
More to the point, if the system is rigged (and we know it is--it has been for the last century or more-it's just out in the open, now), you have two choices--either play under the rigged rules to get in, and try to change them if you win, or play the Purity Card and go down in flames.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Yes, you're right about working to elect more Democrats, but that sure doesn't mean Bernie and DWS are "friends".
MADem
(135,425 posts)before you try to pretend this isn't a relationship between two people--one a candidate, the other running a political organization. Chairman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is responsible for crafting these fundraising arrangements. In fact, the reason she was hired for the Chairman gig is because she is very talented at bringing together diverse elements to do the one thing that a Chairman is supposed to do--and that's RAISE MONEY for the DNC.
She shoots, she scores! And she got Sanders to agree to joint fundraising ventures...!
senz
(11,945 posts)I love the way the Sanders campaign deals straightforwardly with our corrupt, slanted, money-bought system.
George II
(67,782 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)that about opinion polls?
Here, it's statistics on news hour time devoted to Trump versus other candidates. And although Bernie has about the same percentage of voter support as Trump, Bernie is, during prime-time network news, nearly ignored.
That's not right. Trump is being sold to the American people. Other candidates, especially Bernie are barely being mentioned.
It isn't a matter of a candidate complaining about an imagined slight. It's a number, a statistic that proves the slight.
This had better change. Because it is going to be viewed as the proof that the game is rigged.
That's what Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have been telling us, and we know they are right. The Game Is Rigged!
Feel the Bern!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Pretty outrageous, i.e., news worthy, stuff. Don't you think?
Any candidate for the Office of the President, openly advocating for mass deportation of US citizens (i.e., the US born minor children of undocumented residents) or, a religious test for admission to the US, would (and should) be covered by the media!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)R B Garr
(16,967 posts)but this is more theater than anything else. It's hard to believe people take these theatrics seriously.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)viewers and that is why this is important.
We are told constantly that poll numbers count. Network news coverage numbers also count and can influence the poll numbers.
This is another sign of the corruption in our media and government.
And why is it that when I think the work corruption, I automatically think Hillary???
Strange association there. I just can't help myself.
Money is the link.
A candidate who campaigns on corrupt money reminds me of corruption in politics. And when I think of a candidate running as a Democrat on corrupt money, I think of Hillary. Therefore when my subconscious thinks of Hillary, I think of corruption.
Funny how the mind associates things. But not even Hillary is getting as much prime-time news time as Donald Trump. It's like he is being sold to Americans. I think it is despicable.
R B Garr
(16,967 posts)and has been on television for decades. He never misses a photo-op. He has friends in high places like any other politician. This is all theater designed to throw some red meat to his anti-establishment actors. Very phony.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The reporting on the polling would reflect that?
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Bernie has pissed off the Corporate Media(CM), knowing damn well their taxes are going up, if he becomes president. So, if they limit his airtime, it should take care of itself. What ever happened to free speech, equality for all? So you go to freespeech.org, and other sites to get a different view on the world. Even they are hung on Trump. It's quite sad to see that we cannot demand what the CM presents to us.
None of the candidates will get as much air time as Trump, which tells me that Corporate Media(CM) is all about gossip and shock and awe. It produces viewers/ratings/income. It is all too sad that this is the crap we all have to listen to. It's not news at all. The news is now the national enquirer. Screw the real issues this country faces everyday. CM is bought and paid for by the 1%, and all that money controls what you hear. Think about it?
The question is what can we do to stop this fiasco, and get the REAL news, discussing the REAL issues?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)REAL news coverage or REAL revolution?
gordyfl
(598 posts)Corporate Media #1 priority ---> their corporate sponsors - including insurance companies. Medicare for All would kill their profis. Medicare Public Option would hurt their profits. Bernie's got a tough road ahead to overcome the corporate media bias.
I remember how the corporate media did a job on Howard Dean's "Yahoo moment". The media was relentless. Later, after Dean was knocked out of the race, the media admitted they were a bit hard on him over the Yahoo remark. Bernie can expect that - plus more.
jdadd
(1,314 posts)I noticed while channel surfing,The History Channel has been playing the making of Donald Trump....WTF
RandySF
(59,097 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)This K/R is dedicated to the cheesy gentleman who accuses Bernie's campaign of "whining" about hthe lack of MSM coverage.
The explanation is that Sanders is a threat to the billionaires and corporations who own the networks. The corporate press has convinced itself that America is a conservative nation that has no interest in liberal politics, and that voters are too stupid to care about the issues. Both of these self-serving fallacies allow the corporate press to treat news like entertainment while devoting most of their political airtime to politicians who will serve their pro-corporate agenda.
I recommend doing what I did years ago . . . kill your television set.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Hillary is acceptably pro large corporation and pro war for them.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Watch the crawlers.... Listen to Chris Matthews on HardBall... He and the rest speak of Hillary ONLY in terms of her as THE NOMINEE... WHY have the Primary Elections/Caucuses in that case...WHY? This is the Propaganda Machine in ALL of its Glory...
Tell the people WHAT to THINK and they will think it... It is designed to instill in viewers that they truly have no other choice... Hillary is IT so just STFU and get in LINE!!!
While the various shows each evening occasionally have Bernie on, that is just to augment their failing "credibility" when in every segment you wait to hear Hillary's opinion on virtually any and every topic that might possibly considered. It is laughable except for the fact that the consequences of Hillary vs Bernie being the nominee are so relevant to the future of this nation.
The General Election is going on right now and the two nominees are Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Guess who is planning to represent our interests and who can be depended upon to do so especially when it comes to Economic Policy including Wall Street as well as Foreign Policy.
The Media is doing the Bidding of their Corporate and Wall Street Masters and the ONLY way that we the people can oppose it is to first call it out in order to inform the less sophisticated among us to fire a warning shot and in the end to ignore their PROPAGANDA.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,174 posts)Maybe he should spend some of that money on advertising. He's not as entertaining as Trump so he's not going to get a lot of free air time. Complaining about how unfair the media are is a losing tactic.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)One thing we can do about it is elect Sanders. I also believe Elizabeth Warren would help in this endeavor. This is a critical issue and I'm happy to recommend!
Sancho
(9,070 posts)JudyM
(29,263 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Unless any of you believe that corporations aren't all about the $$?
Then the only reason for not giving Bernie more coverage.. he's just not interesting enough to the masses beyond his existing devoted following (like here on DU).
Every time Trump opens up his ridiculous mouth, it sells.
Having been the FLOTUS, Senator, Secretary of State, and past candidate for President when Hillary speaks, that also equals $$$ to the media.
The devoted of Bernie might not like hearing it, but at the end of the day, other than to his existing small base (that granted does turn out in large numbers when he speaks), Senator Sanders just isn't that interesting, and articles on him don't get the hits or make the money that ones on Hillary and Trump do. If Al Gore was running against Hillary, or if VP Biden had thrown his hat into the race.. They'd likely have gotten equal coverage.. but Bernie? He's not even in the same league as Hillary when it comes to news worthiness.
gordyfl
(598 posts)I was watching The McLaughlin Group (PBS). No mention of Bernie throughout the show. Here are some things they did have to say...
On the McLaughlin Group (PBS), while discussing Donald Trump remarks, there was no mention of Bernie:
MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Donald Trump sparked a firestorm of controversy this week when he called for Muslims to be banned from entering the United States.
But many disagree.
The White House said Mr. Trump was behaving like a, quote/unquote, carnival barker, and that his proposal, quote/unquote, disqualifies him from serving as president of the United States.
Jeb Bush described Mr. Trumps comments as, quote/unquote, unhinged.
Marco Rubio said they were, quote/unquote, offensive and outlandish.
Chris Christie said Mr. Trump had adopted a, quote/unquote, ridiculous position.
And from the Democratic presidential lineup, criticism was also fierce.
Hillary Clinton described Trumps call as, quote, reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive, unquote.
And Martin OMalley described Mr. Trump as a, quote/unquote, fascist demagogue.
British Prime Minister David Cameron said Mr. Trump is, quote/unquote, divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong.
Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also released a statement, saying he, quote, rejects the recent comments by Donald Trump with regard to Muslims. Israel respects all religions and diligently guards the rights of all its citizens, end quote.
And later Clarence Page omits Bernie as "somebody sensible":
PAGE: But I think at some point, voters, even those people who havent been voting in all their lives, this kind of thing, are going to say we need to somebody sensible to deal with this terror problem and thats where youre going to see people turning more to Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, folks like that on the Republican ticket, or Hillary Clinton with the Democrats.
And then Clarence Page again...
PAGE: Hillary is not running against anybody right now. When it gets serious, if you really get serious this time next year and you got Trump versus Hillary, then lets see what the polls look like. I dont think its going to look like this.
http://www.mclaughlin.com/transcript.htm?id=1097
staggerleem
(469 posts)... to run for POTUS. 2 days after Howard Dean told MSNBC's Chris Matthews that part of his platform was to break up "big media", they "went to the videotapes" and found something they could doctor a little to make Howard look, to put it simply, nuts. The infamous "scream" wasn't really all that loud - they took the audio from the mic on the podium, and filtered out as much of the crowd noise ( the crowd, btw, WAS going kinda crazy!) as they could, to make it SEEM louder.
Although he hasn't made the error of saying it out loud and ON TV, Bernie Sanders ALSO plans to break up "big media". So it's no surprise to me that they refuse to cover his campaign. In this case, they've turned the old adage on it's head : "If you can't find anything nasty to say, then don't say anything at all!"
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)...he came in a mediocre third in Iowa and had no ground game in New Hampshire.
But a good conspiracy theory always softens the blow.
gordyfl
(598 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)Prior to the 2004 primary season, the Democratic record for most money raised in one quarter by a primary candidate was held by Bill Clinton in 1995, raising $10.3 million during a campaign in which he had no primary opponent. In the third quarter of 2003, the Dean campaign raised $14.8 million, shattering Clinton's record.
All told, Dean's campaign raised around $50 million
On January 19, 2004, Dean's campaign suffered a staggering blow when a last-minute surge by rivals John Kerry and John Edwards led to a disappointing third-place finish for Dean in the 2004 Iowa Democratic caucuses, representing the first votes cast in primary season.
Dean's loud outburst in his public address that night was widely rebroadcast and portrayed as a media gaffe that ended his campaign.
According to a Newsday editorial written by Verne Gay, some members of the television audience criticized the speech as loud, peculiar, and unpresidential. In particular, this quote from the speech was aired repeatedly in the days following the caucus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)Is that based on your on the ground analysis? Because my opinion is. He had a sloppy ground team, poorly organized events and inadequate GOTV operations. Which parallels what happened in Iowa.
gordyfl
(598 posts)brooklynite
(94,679 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)No one knows who would have won the election. But the media did a hatchet job on Dean. Expect them to do the same with Bernie.
Isn't it ironic, John Kerry the pragmatist, won the nomination, then lost to Bush in the General Election.
Here's an "opinion" from a journalist...
"Through the medium of television, Dean's speech exhibited a man seemingly out of control," said the journal. "His voice and energy level rising higher and higher, he seemed to shift from intense to borderline manic, finally reaching the peak of a crescendo in what sounded like an inappropriately enthusiastic scream."
And, the journal added, the result was media ridicule that killed his presidential chances.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/howard-deans-scream-tv-screwed-him/article/2515137
staggerleem
(469 posts)Response to brooklynite (Reply #90)
gordyfl This message was self-deleted by its author.
staggerleem
(469 posts)Lately, more often, the NH winner gets the nomination. Dean had some decent support and a good ground game going in NH, and seemed to have a chance there until the "scream".
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)I went to New Hampshire before the Primary specifically to evaluate the candidates' ground games. His was disorganized nand unprepared to turn out voters, scream or no scream.
gordyfl
(598 posts)Yes, I remember the two microphones. One played it without the crowd noise. that's the one the TV news played over and over again. The other with the crowd. You could hardly hear him. It was unfair and blown way out of proportion.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)and doesn't generate any media interest but it isn't because he's a threat to anyone.
reddread
(6,896 posts)it was faint at first, but as I got closer to the computer and started surfing the internet,
trying to see if DU was back up, the reek increased the closer I got to this thread in GDP.
then I found the source of the stink.
utter nonsense.
what comes before shallow?
would it be thin? imaginary?
im not exactly a stickler for sentence structure etc
im gonna make an exception.
quit lowering the standard.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Why doesn't Hillary Clinton hold a rally with that many people if she's more exciting than he is?
gordyfl
(598 posts)For what it's worth, someone actually did a study of the scream and found that it was played on TV over 900 times.
In response to the obvious hatchet job they did on Howard, a couple news networks issued apologies.