Hillary leading Bernie Sanders among liberal primary voters

[Cali_Democrat]

Hillary Clinton continues to lead Bernie Sanders by 20 points: she receives 52 percent of Democratic primary voters' support, while Sanders gets 32 percent. Just 2 percent support Martin O'Malley.

Clinton leads among many voter groups - men, women, liberals, moderates, non-whites and voters over age 45. But Sanders performs better with voters under 45 and independents.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald-trump-top-ted-cruz-second-hillary-clinton-over-bernie-sanders/

[MrWendel]

1. K&R

[fredamae]

2. Or not?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/10/1458917/-About-that-CBS-poll-the-published-data-results-do-not-support-all-of-the-claims-How-curious

I maintain-Polls are only as reliable as the person who commissions/pays for them...is honest.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. PPP also showed Hillary leading Bernie among liberals

PPP's national poll also showed Hillary leading Bernie among liberals...

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And she leads Sanders by just 17 with 'very liberal' voters at 56/39, but is up 34 with moderates at 56/22, and 49 points with 'somewhat liberal' voters at 72/23.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/11/gop-has-clear-top-4-clinton-dominant-for-dems-general-election-tight.html

[upaloopa]

6. So Bernie paid for the polls that say he is

better against the repubs?

[fredamae]

9. Lol....

What I am saying is that Polls are not reliable - I, personally find them amusing but don't place any bets (And/or Votes) upon their findings. Regardless of the candidate. Period.
We don't even know how honestly our responses are logged......

[FiveGoodMen]

4. NOTE: 'liberal' now apparently means "one enamored of right wing policies but unwilling to admin it"

[Art_from_Ark]

19. You've noticed that too, huh?

[Attorney in Texas]

5. Poll shows more Democrats and WAY more independents are concerned/scared than exited about Clinton

Here is a link to the polling results data. Here are the numbers that should worry anyone who wants to avoid a Republican administration for the next four years:

8% of Independents are "excited" about a Trump presidency versus 26% who are "concerned" about a Trump presidency.

Compare that to 4% of Independents are "excited" about a Clinton presidency versus 27% are "concerned" about a Clinton presidency.

A full 59% of Independents are either "concerned" or "scared" about a Clinton presidency.

Only 22% of Democrats are "excited" about a Clinton presidency compared to 23% of Democrats who are "concerned" or "scared" about a Clinton presidency.

Among all voters polled, only 9% are "excited" about a Clinton presidency compared to 57% who are "concerned" or "scared" about a Clinton presidency.

These are seriously worrisome numbers for anyone who wants Clinton as our standard bearer in the general election.

[upaloopa]

7. It's the battle of the polls.

So we put up with this back and forth for a couple of more months.

I can live with that.

[Attorney in Texas]

10. It's not a battle of the polls -- this is from the same poll linked in the OP. Clinton does fine

among a large segment of the Democratic party, but her appeal outside of that cocoon is very narrow.

Clinton, like Trump or Cruz, has her fan base within the party, and -- perhaps -- that fan base my be big enough to win a primary, but there is almost no appeal outside of that fan base so it is a doomed general election model.

[upaloopa]

11. That makes no sense to me

When we get to the general and they poll likely voters it won't be Hillary down by some significant percentage.

I think you way over estimate the anti Hillary contingent

[Attorney in Texas]

12. This is not my estimation -- this is the CBS NEWS/NEW YORK TIMES POLL's results. The numbers seem

inconsistent because Clinton is trusted and approved of by a majority within the Democratic party, but she has shockingly little support among independents, and Clinton's cross-over appeal among Republicans is less than Trump's cross-over appeal among Democrats.

This is a model that could put Clinton over the top in the primary but would lead to defeat in the general election.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. If Hillary is doomed in the general election like you claim...

Why does she have the best odds (by far) of winning the general election?

http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016president

I mean, aren't you the person who previously linked to Predict wise?

What do you know that the oddsmakers don't know? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is?

You're full of hot air. Independents aren't needed to win the GE and Obama demonstrated that in 2012 when he wiped out Romney in the electoral college, won almost every swing state and still lost independents.

You're all over the place.

[Attorney in Texas]

14. Clinton fares well in the betting markets because none of the Republican candidates have risen up to

secure a sustained lead as the sustained front-runner in the betting markets.

I definitely think Predictwise (and other betting markets) provide some insight into the race, but they are a snapshot of the race. Bush lead the field at Predictwise for a long time even after his polling numbers tanked, but just because Bush lead the Predictwise market in early October, doesn't mean the race was over. Likewise, Predictwise now favors Rubio, but that doesn't mean Rubio is the nominee and doesn't even mean Rubio will be the Predictwise favorite in January. It's a snapshot.

You say "Independents aren't needed to win the GE." Think about that -- you are smart enough to know that's not true.

You say Obama "won almost every swing state and still lost independents," but that's not an accurate picture of the 2012 election at all: Obama did MUCH better among independents than what the numbers indicate for Clinton. Maybe that will change for Clinton, but her numbers currently look like general election poison (more than twice as bad as Obama's numbers looked in 2012).

[Cali_Democrat]

15. LOL

Clinton fares well in the betting markets because she's the favorite to win the general election.

Your doom and gloom about the general election doesn't stack up.

Your goal is to try and make Bernie look good, but so far Dems are rejecting him in favor of Hillary.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Attorney in Texas]

16. My goal is to support the candidate who best reflects my values in the primary and general election.

If Sanders does not win the primary, I want Clinton to win the general election.

You say my "doom and gloom about the general election doesn't stack up," but I cannot find any precedent to suggest a candidate as widely distrusted as Clinton can win the general election.

You say "so far Dems are rejecting him in favor of Hillary," but "so far" no one had voted yet and Clinton has a small lead in Iowa and Sanders has a small lead in New Hampshire so the results in those states is unpredictable and the outcome of those states has historically affected the outcomes in subsequent primaries and caucuses.

We'll see. Clinton is the heavy favorite in the primary, but Sanders generates much more enthusiasm and is much more widely trusted.

[LexVegas]

8. "non-whites". This is the source of much paternalistic angst among Bernie supporters. nt

[NurseJackie]

17. Everywhere you turn, it's more bad news for Bernie.

[Cha]

18. Haha.. leads among the Liberals.. all right!

[Alfresco]

20. A reminding kick.