Bernie Sanders campaigning to knockout presidential candidates with the help from MMA fighters

[UglyGreed]

Bernie Sanders is getting more than a few votes from the MMA community for his Democratic nomination for President.




“We like how Bernie supports the workers and workers rights. We’re in a different industry than a lot of laborers. We have a lot of unfair working conditions and there’s a piece of legislation that exists to protect boxers called the Mohamed Ali act and we just want to get the mixed martial arts put onto that bill, so we can get the same protections boxers get.” #HumansForBernie

http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/bernie-sanders-campaigning-to-knockout-presidential-candidates-with-the-help-from-mma-fighters/

[cosmicone]

1. Tens of Millions of MMA fighters will now tip the scales in this election

[UglyGreed]

2. Well when we

have a thread about Hillary's Christmas shopping I thought this might be a bit more important.

[cosmicone]

3. Yes, Xmas shopping and MMA fighting are very comparable indeed n/t

[UglyGreed]

8. BTW Xmas shopping has nothing to

do with the primaries, this does

[cosmicone]

12. I'll give you that n/t

[UglyGreed]

13. .

[senz]

4. Everywhere in this great land, people hear Bernie and they love him.

Thanks, UG, for a great OP. Love the photo!!

[nc4bo]

6. That's what "some" are afraid of. nt

[UglyGreed]

10. I liked the pic

too

[senz]

5. It's a bit strange to post what looks like the only comment and be #4.

I don't have THAT many people on ignore. Some of the super-baddies must have pounced, as they do. As they always do.

It's a game for them.

[Godhumor]

7. Wanderlei Silva (pictured) is my all time favorite fighter

Followed him since his Vale Tudo days.

Glad to see he is politically involved.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

9. Jeff Monson likes him

And who wants to mess with this guy?

[UglyGreed]

11. They sure did give him a

wide berth......

[Fantastic Anarchist]

14. LOL, I would, too.

Did you see the size of those shoulders?

[senz]

15. Did you catch the capitalism tat on his upper back?

[Godhumor]

16. He's a very active anarchist. I believe this was the protest at G-8 conference a few years back

Might be off on the conference, though.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

21. Yes, he's a self-confessed anarchist.

Of course he hates capitalism.

Edit: He's an anarcho-communist to be specific.

[senz]

23. I probably should read up on anarchism

as it's somewhat blended in my mind with libertarianism, and the libertarians I've encountered seem to think the free market is a law of nature.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

24. Original libertarianism (European) is left-wing and anti-capitalism.

Even the American individualist anarchists considered themselves socialists. American libertarianism of the Mises variety is a twisted ideology. In fact, so much of what we "learn" is just absolutely not true. Free-markets cannot exist within a capitalist society, but are absolutely able to exist in a libertarian socialist society (Yes, the opposite of what we learned in school). Free federated communes of workers are certainly able to freely exchange their services and goods based on the Labor Theory of Value (yes, Adam Smith's LTV). Free markets cannot exist when workers are divorced from the means of production and the product of their labor. Free markets cannot exist when there is a person who takes it upon himself to extract the surplus value of labor, and takes it for himself as profit. That is not a free market.

There's a lot to learn. I've been studying for over ten years now and I'm still amazed about the beauty of anarchism. It's the perfect philosophy because it is not defined.

"Every anarchist is a socialist, but not every socialist is necessarily an anarchist." ~ Individualist anarchist Adolf Fischer (which was also said by Benjamin Tucker)

"The most perfect Socialism is possible only on the condition of the most perfect individualism." ~ Benjamin Tucker

"Anarchy is order!" Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

Edit: If you want a great and easy primer on anarchism, I highly recommend Daniel Guerin's "Anarchism: From Theory to Practice."

David Graeber explains (on a very high level) the differences between Marxism and anarchism.

Marxism has tended to be a theoretical or analytical discourse about revolutionary strategy.
Anarchism has tended to be an ethical discourse about revolutionary practice.

Of course, there are many more lower level differences.

[senz]

25. Thank you for your extensive answer.

I appreciate your enthusiasm but have a question: what happens to the elderly, the handicapped, and orphans under anarchy?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

26. Well, of course they are looked after!

We are not barbarians! We are anarchists.


On a serious level, anarchy is about compassion, solidarity, brother/sisterhood. It's about the very best of the human condition. The elderly, handicapped and orphans would do quite a bit better in an anarchist society.

I'm definitely enthusiastic, because the more I learn, the more I love what it's all about!


Edit: I have to admit, that is a strange question to ask - only because it is self-evident, at least to me. It's like "Will the floor be below us?" I wonder why you ask - I genuinely would like to know. Do you believe they would not fare well in an anarchist society? I have a stake in this, too. My kid sister is developmentally disabled. I would want the best for her.

Ciao!

[senz]

28. Well, not intending to offend anyone

but I was under the impression that anarchy meant, roughly, very little government (sort of like libertarians that way) and, from what I've seen, society's vulnerable are more consistently and reliably provided for under a government system than under the whims of private charity.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

29. Remember - we are the government.

And I think it helps to disassociate state (and all the politics constructs it entails) and government. Anarchists aren't opposed to government per se. We are opposed to hierarchy and coercion. We, as a society, can effectively govern ourselves, but in the sense that it helps society. Hope that makes sense. Anarchism is solidarity and compassion for the most vulnerable among us.

Look at it this way:

Society is nothing without the individual, yet the individual is nothing without society. Yin Yang.

You're not being offensive at all. You're asking questions. That's a good thing!

Try reading the primer (at least the preface of the primer), and I think you will get more information.

Ciao!

[senz]

30. Yes we are. Good point.

The anti-government types overlook it. As long as this is a democracy, we are the government.

You seem very intelligent, Fantastic Anarchist, and I shall read the primer, hopefully sometime today. Expect a comment and perhaps a question or two.

Thanks!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

31. You're too kind. Thank you! :)

[UglyGreed]

19. That guy is a beast

and if were the cops I would not even try to shoot him, he might just get angry......

[WillyT]

17. K & R !!!

[Armstead]

18. Sometimes I feel so out of it....I had no clue what the MMA is

[snooper2]

20. Methylmalonic Acid

[senz]

22. I wondered too, so I reread the OP and saw this phrase:

"mixed martial arts," which makes perfect sense.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. K&R! n/t