Bernie Sanders Supported Border Vigilante Minutemen Group In Symbolic 2006 Vote

[SecularMotion]

Bernie Sanders has a few months to convince minority voters that he should be the Democratic nominee for president, and that they should vote and cacus for him in early primary states. Yet Sanders’ voting record as a Vermont Congressman and Senator is raising flags among black and Latino progressives, who have criticized him for votes on gun control an immigration. This morning, BuzzFeed reported on a 2006 “yea” vote in which Sanders supported an appropriations bill amendment drafted by Rep. Jack King (R-Ga.) in support of the Minutemen Project, which the progressive Southern Poverty Law Center had by 2005 identified as a “hate group.”

“[The] Minutemen Project, and the Minutemen Project is definitely not politically correct in Washington, D.C. However, they filled a void which the government was unable to fill,” King said in 2006, introducing his amendment . “[It] says that the U.S. Government cannot tip off the Mexican officials as to where these folks are located. Plain and simple, nothing fancy about it.”

King’s amendment was inspired by “conspiracy theories and fears that the Bush administration was undermining those trying to protect the border,” according to BuzzFeed’s Evan McMorris-Santoro’s sources. His reporting also suggests that the amendment was innocuous.

Sanders campaign strategist Michael Briggs told BuzzFeed that the amendment was meaningless, citing a message from Customs and Border Patrol.

http://www.latintimes.com/bernie-sanders-supported-border-vigilante-minutemen-group-symbolic-2006-vote-357705

[Agony]

1. HAhaHA!!!! You're pushing Spandan Chakrabarti. how fucking lame is that!

[Cha]

2. Facts are Facts.

[Sancho]

3. Most immigrant supporters here see lots of weaknesses with Bernie

This vote is just one. Tuition Equity is another. Hillary's path to citizenship is the way to go.

From a Socialist author - another view of Bernie's stance is also critical. Admittedly, this is not the Democratic Party view, but it deserves consideration. I'm providing the link and excerpt to illustrate, just like the OP, that Bernie has a past that is inconsistent with the current rhetoric, and is cause for the immigrant population to be concerned.

If Bernie desires a "revolution" as the far left candidate, he needs to win over the millions of voters in the Sunbelt.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/15/sand-m15.html

Sanders' stance on immigration is entirely in line with right-wing efforts to scapegoat millions of impoverished and exploited Hispanic workers for the falling living standards of American working class. He has repeatedly introduced bills in Congress calling for the suspension of the federal visa program under the guise of protecting American jobs. For his efforts, he has earned the admiration of noted anti-immigrant racist and talk show host Lou Dobbs, who called him “one of the few straight talkers in Congress.”

[TM99]

4. Oh bullshit!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/opinion/bernie-sanders-gets-immigration-policy-right.html

Sanders gets it right as usual.

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-immigration-policy-track-record/

Tuition Equity is part of the Dream Act which Sanders voted for in 2010, 2013, and still supports, so that is a complete fabrication.

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-immigration-policy-track-record/

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-immigration/

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm

It is so damned disingenuous that you as a supporter of the neoliberal New Dem Clinton would use an article from a very far left small organization to slander Sanders with.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/a-fair-and-humane-immigration-policy/

End the Economic Exploitation of Immigrant Workers. The visa system must be fundamentally reformed to prevent employers from abusing and exploiting guest workers, especially in the context of H-2B, H1-B, and J-1 workers. Binding workers to a specific employer or not allowing their family members to work creates a situation rife for abuse and exacerbates an already unequal relationship between the employer and the employee. We must substantially increase prevailing wages that employers pay temporary guest workers. To build on Senator Sanders’ previous legislation, Senator Sanders will ensure that if there is a true labor shortage, employers must offer higher, not lower wages.

His attacks on the federal visa program are about stopping unfair wage practices for undocumented immigrants and limiting the corporate backed influx of H-2B, H1-B, and J-1 visa which do take American jobs unnecessarily.

This little talking point on the 'Minuteman' issue has been debunked already, even within the BuzzFeed article itself. But hey y'all got to keep those talking points going don't ya?

[NCTraveler]

7. Can you repeat again as to why Sanders voted repeatedly against....

bringing over ten million people out of some of this countries worst oppressive policies and into the daylight? Economic reasons? Did the republicans happen to win the visa war shortly later? So no pathway to citizenship but republicans still got what they wanted. Sanders was on the wrong side. Some just need to step up and admit it. That is over ten million people that are currently living in the shadows that would be citizens today. But some people think Sanders saved the IT industry in this instance. Truly oppressive.

[Armstead]

8. It's partly due to that process called legislation

There is no question that overall Sanders is solidly for immigration reform in the same sense as Clinton and the Democrats.

But there are always devils in the details. And a good bill may have bad aspects, or areas that need improvement. And bills often get hacked and chipped and negotiated, and amend....and all of the other crap that is the Sausage Making Machine.

It isn't a great way to get things accomplished, and a lot of it depends on who holds the majority and how much at any given time.

But to the point here -- yes in that messy process, Sanders did oppose certain aspects, for legitimate reasons. Like the use of Visas to do the equivalent of outsourcing of American jobs by importing cheap labor -- and undermining American workers who get shit out as a result.

You can agree or disagree with his priorities on any situation. But it is disingenuous to claim that he is not in favor of the same overall reform of the system as otehr Democrats.

[Sancho]

9. Vermont does not have tuition equity...link below.

http://unitedwedream.org/about/projects/education-deep/

Bernie has never come out to say what happens if someone cannot even apply (to the University of Vermont for example) because they are undocumented. Try filling out the family finance form to college if you are not "legal".

If you were 3 years old and came to the US without citizenship, and were raised in Burlington - can you go to a state college, apply for a scholarship, and be licensed as a teacher or lawyer without documentation? That's the issue. It's not bullshit.

http://unitedwedream.org/blog/3-ways-teachers-can-public-educator-activists-advocate-undocumented-students/

There's much more, but essentially Bernie is silent or quietly against many serious social justice issues, because they are contrary to "states rights" or "workers rights". Bernie isn't stupid and he knows he would create a firestorm in mostly white Vermont if he really advocated for the minority to gain access to the majority privileges. Check out those yachts in the background. Bernie knows that those MI contractors that he courted would not come to Vermont if he didn't play along with some of the visa games, so he "calls for reform". How about calling for profit sharing - including all workers foreign and domestic? Doesn't Bernie want a "revolution" in the capitalistic system?

The visa system is the tip of the iceberg and an excuse to avoid the issues. Visa are used to exploit the foreign worker and the American worker at the same time! It has nothing to do with a "true labor shortage", because that is a deflection to avoid the real immigration problems. A minimum wage is useless to people being paid outside of regulations because they are undocumented. Anyone living here and working here who are not "criminals" (other than existing in the US) should be able to become citizens - simple. Serve in the military or pay taxes or whatever - fill out the paperwork and you're now documented. That's the "amnesty" answer and what real reformers want to see.

If you have a child in the US (born here) and you are undocumented - you can't go to a PTA meeting at the school with your legal child without risking deportation! Think about it. All children should have access to education and medical care without fear that their parent will be deported. They are people. Visa's are a right-wing, Chamber of Commerce way to manipulate and exploit. Rubio's parents entered illegally - wham, bam - they were from Cuba so they are in and Rubio is a citizen! That's the way it should be for immigrants. Has Bernie stood up at the airport in Burlington in front of the F35s and said, "Let those people in, provide education, and let them vote!"? No, Bernie plays socialist games and gives speeches.

Bernie is all about MONEY. He doesn't understand people. I've listened to him on Thom Hartmann for years, and it's obvious he has no personal connection or interest in the real social justice of 30-40 million Americans living and working here as second class, marginalized people. No wonder the immigrant population is overwhelmingly in favor of Hillary.

The Clintons and the Clinton Foundation and Hillary herself are well-known on Univision. People have seen the work of the foundation in their immigrant communities and the countries abroad, the work for fair, legal rights to citizenship and voting, and the work for international opportunity that crosses boarders. No one expects miracles with an oppositional Congress and terrorists sneaking in, but Hillary staked out a value position decades ago with regard to immigrants, and folks here are very aware of her values. Bernie is late in the game with a weak, politically-correct position on this issue. No one buys it.

You want talking points and BS, then tell Bernie to step up to the plate. Tearing down Wall Street has nothing to do with the real social justice for real people. My county has more people than Vermont, and more than 25% were born outside of the US. Could be 40-50% in some communities. Vermont is a little dot on the horizon and Bernie is out of touch. The future is the Sunbelt and the future majority are the (more or less) recent generation of immigrants. That's why polls here put Bernie at the bottom. Many immigrants who are Democrats would vote for Rubio or Jeb before Bernie - because they see his policies as no different, and they would rather deal with an enemy they know than a "carpetbagger". Really. I live it and that's the attitude I hear everyday. Hillary was all over Florida last week. It's familiar territory for her from decades of work here.

Where Bernie? He'd have to fly here everyday for a year to catch up - and his policies show it.

[TM99]

10. Again with the bullshit.

Sanders is not responsible as a national Senator for what occurs in state legislature, and you know this.

You are typical neoliberal who separates economic and social justice. It works for you because you are a part of the 'haves' as opposed to the 'have nots'.

And only on DU do I constantly see Clinton supporters who are PoC who say that somehow PoC are a magically smart voting block unlike all others. No they are not. They are as misinformed and vote against their best self interests like all other voting blocks.

I have lived and worked in the Sun Belt state of Arizona for almost 30 years. Please don't try to pretend with me some special knowledge you think you have about it or its people no matter their race or gender.

I don't know whether it is irony or delusion but to pretend that Sanders is closer to Rubio or Bush than they are to Clinton, the neoliberal, is just pathetic. Only your friends here will believe that horse shit. No one in the real world does.

[Sancho]

11. Sanders hasn't had an influence in Vermont? Right...

and he never thinks about social justice.

You are sooooo wrong. I'm not a "neoliberal". I'm an OLD liberal. I found out about social justice picking tobacco in Ga in the 60's. My wife and I worked through school in SC textile mills.

As educators, we've made a living. There's no way you can call a couple of teachers "haves" vs "have not". I don't see many wealthy teachers. We've been teaching 40 years and still have a house payment and car payment.

I separate social justice and economic justice because they should be separated. They are not the same thing. You can read books if you want, but I've lived the difference. There's no special knowledge - you either believe that everyone should chase dollars as the key to life or else you believe in fair and equitable opportunity for all people.

You are simply uninformed, so I'll give you some homework:

http://www.cesj.org/learn/definitions/d ... l-justice/ m

Defining Social Justice
Social justice encompasses economic justice. Social justice is the virtue which guides us in creating those organized human interactions we call institutions. In turn, social institutions, when justly organized, provide us with access to what is good for the person, both individually and in our associations with others. Social justice also imposes on each of us a personal responsibility to work with others to design and continually perfect our institutions as tools for personal and social development.

Defining Economic Justice
Economic justice, which touches the individual person as well as the social order, encompasses the moral principles which guide us in designing our economic institutions. These institutions determine how each person earns a living, enters into contracts, exchanges goods and services with others and otherwise produces an independent material foundation for his or her economic sustenance. The ultimate purpose of economic justice is to free each person to engage creatively in the unlimited work beyond economics, that of the mind and the spirit.

One example includes Thom Hartmann's (Bernie's friend!!!) who often describes how integration led to the large number of swimming pools being constructed so that whites would not have to share the pool with blacks. That was an example of a growing economy reacting to cause social injustice!!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/troubled-waters-in-mckinney-texas/395150/

McKinney, Texas, and the Racial History of American Swimming Pools

Like many flourishing American suburbs, McKinney has struggled with questions of equity and diversity. The city is among the fastest-growing in America, and its residents hail from a wide range of backgrounds. Formal, legal segregation is a thing of the past. Yet stark divides persist.
In 2009, McKinney was forced to settle a lawsuit alleging that it was blocking the development of affordable housing suitable for tenants with Section 8 vouchers in the more affluent western portion of the city. East of Highway 75, according to the lawsuit, McKinney is 49 percent white; to its west, McKinney is 86 percent white. The plaintiffs alleged that the city and its housing authority were “willing to negotiate for and provide low-income housing units in east McKinney, but not west McKinney, which amounts to illegal racial steering.”


All three of the city’s public pools lie to the east of Highway 75. Craig Ranch, where the pool party took place, lies well to its west. BuzzFeed reports that the fight broke out when an adult woman told the teens to go back to “Section 8 housing.”
Craig Ranch North is the oldest residential portion of a 2,200 acre master-planned community. “The neighborhood is made up of single-family homes,” says the developer’s website, “and includes a community center with two pools, a park and a playground.” Private developments like Craig Ranch now routinely include pools, often paid for by dues to homeowners’ associations, and governed by their rules. But that, in itself, represents a remarkable shift.
At their inception, communal swimming pools were public, egalitarian spaces. Most early public pools in America aimed more for hygiene than relaxation, open on alternate days to men and women. In the North, at least, they served bathers without regard for race. But in the 1920s, as public swimming pools proliferated, they became sites of leisure and recreation. Alarmed at the sight of women and men of different races swimming together, public officials moved to impose rigid segregation.
As African Americans fought for desegregation in the 1950s, public pools became frequent battlefields. In Marshall, Texas, for example, in 1957, a young man backed by the NAACP sued to force the integration of a brand-new swimming pool. When the judge made it clear the city would lose, citizens voted 1,758-89 to have the city sell all of its recreational facilities rather than integrate them. The pool was sold to a local Lions’ Club, which was able to operate it as a whites-only private facility.

[TM99]

12. About as much influence as any Senator does

in their home state which is nominal. You know this.

No, they can not be separated. To separate them means that no matter how you want to pretend you are an old liberal, you are definitely a new liberal.

I really can't believe you pretend not be a neoliberal and then you link to a Third Way think tank!

CESJ’s Just Third Way Perspective

We believe that a free and just social order begins with the dignity, sovereignty and development of each human person, and that political democracy must rest on a foundation of economic democracy (“every citizen an owner”).

We believe that the real enemies of human progress, freedom and justice are not primarily bad people, but bad ideas. As a result of defective ideas:

The inalienable human right of access to the means of acquiring private property, especially within the modern corporation, has been shackled politically. This seriously hampers investment and productivity, increases the centralized power of the State, and erodes individual self-determination.
Short-term, bottom-line expedients are crowding out long-range, sustainable growth and economic justice.
Primary reliance on the system of wages and welfare without ownership promotes a needless and increasingly destructive conflict between workers and owners.
The job training system degrades the non-owning worker to the status of a tool, rather than educating him to be a master of the machine.
The capital credit system denies workers equal opportunity of access to future capital ownership and profits.
Socialism and other forms of collectivism, as well as monopolistic capitalism, have failed to produce peace with justice for humanity.
Conversely, good ideas are the catalyst to economic growth and human development. Our goal is to get the principles and logic of the Just Third Way, Binary Economics and Capital Homesteading for every citizen into the marketplace of ideas.

Our message is that neither socialism nor capitalism provides a sufficiently moral alternative for building true economic justice for every human being. We believe there is a “just third way.”

It is total neoliberalism - Third Way at its finest - combining two opposing ideas as if there can be some moderate middle.

CESJ’s mission is to advance liberty and justice for every person through equal opportunity and access to the means to become a capital owner.

This is leftist libertarianism. I don't need educating by you in the least.

[Sancho]

15. You are not a liberal at all...or you're fooling yourself with an incorrect self-view.

The fight for social justice is not new, and those who want to substitute the pursuit of money as the holy grail is certainly not new (do you want a Bible verse?).

I had never heard of the third way until some folks on DU mentioned them, so whatever they stand for is independent of my experience. I'm a solid Democrat who burned draft cards, campaigned for Jimmy Carter, and marched for the ERA. I've supported and worked directly for Democrats in government for close to 50 years.

I grew up in the South, but I've lived all over the country - and I can tell you that social justice is the real goal of a Democratic party - and economic justice is a subset (only a part) of a justice society. I've seen it and experienced it. You can have an income, but without fair and equal opportunity and treatment you have achieved nothing.

Those of us who have looked carefully realize there are different ways to define social justice, but no version of economic reasoning or capitalism will ever create a just society. More homework definitions for you.

http://theconservativemind.net/2011/12/ ... l-justice/
http://fee.org/freeman/justice-versus-social-justice/ m
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/edumat/hreduseries/tb1b/ m
https://www.thoughtworks.com/social-justice
http://www.ignatianspirituality.com/ignatian-community/social-justice
http://www.loyolapress.com/social-justice.htm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0813540380?keywords=social%20justice&qid=1445888565&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2
http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_e8700d79-b6a1-563c-9ae0-fe7320264ccc.html

...and here's yet another example of what happens in a place with plenty of money, but no social justice:

http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/
http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/chart-failing-black-students/
http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/lessons-in-fear-violence/
http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/what-its-like-segregated-school/#
http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/school-board/

[TM99]

18. Yes, indeed I am.

I am a libral/progressive in the way that FDR, LBJ, and Kennedy were. You are not. You are a New Dem.

You believe what you have been sold that economic justice is distinct or a subset of social justice. Politicians like Clinton & Obama count on your beliefs so they can give lip service to social liberalism and enact neoliberal economic policies. Both had to evolve on LGBT civil rights is one classic example of their lip service. NAFTA, welfare reform, TPP, and bank bailouts are examples of their neoliberal economic policies.

You state that no version of capitalism will ever create a just society and yet you support neoliberal capitalist politicians and policies. Talk about a huge incongruence and cognitive dissonance.

I am a Democratic Socialist, and you are a neoliberal New Dem. We are at war with each other right now for the heart and soul of the left in American politics. You will not 'educate' me any more than I will you.

But latching on to smear tactics like this Rovian hit piece will ultimately back fire for Clinton and her supporters.

[Sancho]

20. Sorry...but it you study the topic you are simply wrong.

I sent you links on social justice that you have not looked at (obviously):

Philosophers, political scientists, religious leaders, sociologists, and economists have all studied and written about this topic. Economic justice is always a PART of the larger social justice. No economic system will provide social justice in and of itself.

You also give away your naive thinking...you don't really know about trade agreements - (how many does the US have in effect right now?) - and you don't know about bailouts (how much money is international that was part of the bailout)? In fact, you are simply parroting simple ideas like snake oil with no real understanding. It has nothing to do with "New Dem" or "progressive" thinking.

You can claim the sky is purple, but it's not - it's blue.
I haven't been sold anything. I've lived it and studied it.

Have you read what Democratic Socialists actually say...I guess not. Sorry, but you need to study up a little, because you are claiming something that isn't actually accurate, projecting things that I didn't say, and obviously have no first hand experience with the topic.

Vote for Bernie if you want, but your logic is flawed.

More homework:

TRADE AGREEMENTS:

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-12-30/nafta-20-years-after-neither-miracle-nor-disaster
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/1212/pros-and-cons-of-nafta.aspx
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/u-s-economy-since-nafta-18-charts/
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/nafta-20-years-later-benefits-outweigh-costs/
http://www.ttgconsultants.com/articles/freetrade.html
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2015-06-16/what-the-proposed-pacific-trade-deal-could-mean-for-u-s-jobs
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2015-02-03/understanding_the_trans_pacific_partnership_and_what_the_trade_deal_could_mean_for_the_u_s_economy

BANKING:

Breaking up US banks would do nothing. Closing tax loopholes might help. Most big banks are not in the US, and most influential money is not in the US. The US can't "break up" international banks, and without Congress cannot change the possibility of "influence".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks

1 China Industrial & Commercial Bank of China (ICBC)
2 China China Construction Bank Corporation
3 United Kingdom HSBC Holdings
4 China Agricultural Bank of China
5 United States JPMorgan Chase & Co.
6 France BNP Paribas
7 China Bank of China
8 Japan Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group
9 France Crédit Agricole Group
10 United Kingdom Barclays PLC
11 United States Bank of America
12 Germany Deutsche Bank
13 United States Citigroup Inc
14 Japan Japan Post Bank
15 United States Wells Fargo
16 Japan Mizuho Financial Group
17 United Kingdom Royal Bank of Scotland Group
18 China China Development Bank
19 France Société Générale
20 Spain Banco Santander

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/wealthy-stashing-offshore_n_3179139.html

Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, Masking True Scale Of Inequality: Study

The global super-rich are stashing trillions of dollars offshore with the help of some of the world's biggest banks, putting billions of dollars out of the taxman’s reach and masking wealth inequality's true heights.

Wealthy people were hiding between $21 and $32 trillion in offshore jurisdictions around the world as of 2012, according to a 2012 study from the Tax Justice Network, an organization which aims to promote tax transparency. The study, highlighted by a recent Bloomberg News report, found that more than $12 trillion of that money was managed by 50 international banks, many of which received bailouts during the financial crisis, according to James Henry, the study’s author.

“There’s a lot more missing wealth in the world than we had known about from previous estimates,” Henry told The Huffington Post. “The real scandal is not all these individual scandals but the fact that world’s policy makers who know about this stuff, have basically done nothing.”

http://www.davispolk.com/dodd-frank/

On July 21, 2010, President Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. The legislation marks the greatest change to the financial landscape in decades, affecting the regulation of domestic and foreign financial institutions, banking entities and commercial companies. Many of the Dodd-Frank Act's provisions rely heavily on rulemaking and interpretation by financial regulators. Since Dodd-Frank's enactment, Davis Polk has offered a growing suite of resources to help institutions and market participants understand and comply with the new requirements and stay informed about recent rules, regulator studies, important dates and upcoming deadlines in the implementation process.

SOLVING THE "TOO BIG TO FAIL" PROBLEM: RESOLUTION AUTHORITY VS. CHAPTER 14
On June 20, 2012, Davis Polk lawyers Randall Guynn and John Douglas spoke on a teleforum entitled, “Solving the ‘Too Big to Fail’ Problem: Resolution Authority vs. Chapter 14.” The event was hosted by The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies’ Financial Services & E-Commerce Practice Group, and explores the Too Big to Fail problem in the post-Dodd-Frank era.
http://www.fed-soc.org/multimedia/detail/solving-the-too-big-to-fail-problem-resolution-authority-vs-chapter-14-podcast

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327191-3/washington-journal-roundtable-doddfrank-financial-law

[The Dark Magician]

22. Moar Third Way splatter please

[Sancho]

23. Haha..I don't know anything about the "third way"

I do know that anyone who says that economic justice is not simply a subset of social justice is wrong.

There are lots of people who come to DU to learn something new. Others are here just to be difficult and form a circular firing squad while they achieve nothing except some wasted words on a forgotten blog.

It's your choice to be someone who grows up or someone who throws themselves off a cliff as a symbolic act of frustration.

If anyone wants to do something other than call me names or make false allegations, fine. I'll be glad to explain and document what I think. I've done so and the attacks continue. I'm not into sea-lioning , so let me know if you have some real knowledge or logic.

[TM99]

24. Spare me your bullshit.

You continue to presuppose that economic justice and social justice are completely separate things. From your flawed logic, one must be the subset of the other to even remotely be connected.

If they are not separate, then this incongruence is resolved. We work on both at the same time, not as subsets of each other but as two sides of the same coin.

I have studied this in depth. i have lived this in depth. We are very close in age. I also grew up in the south. I also grew up with a black father and a white mother, both of whom were involved with the civil rights movement. I was reading about the intertwining of these two in MLK's writings before I was a teenager.

The points is we just disagree.

You are a neoliberal. I am not. The conversation ends there.

[Sancho]

35. I don't presuppose anything; I sent you multiple scholarly definitions and explanations.

I'm not "neoliberal" at all. I don't favor free market capitalism. I just think social justice is the goal, not economic policy.
You don't want to accept the interpretation of experts and activists who consider and debate the concepts of social and economic justice.

Some more holiday reading for you:

[one of my favorites-explains the current capitalist problems-video below]
The Economics of Inequality Hardcover – August 3, 2015
by Thomas Piketty (Author), Arthur Goldhammer (Translator)

[neo view]
Social Justice Isn't What You Think It Is
by Michael Novak (Author), Paul Adams (Author), Elizabeth Shaw (Contributor)

[church view]
Saints and Social Justice: A Guide to Changing the World Paperback
by Brandon Vogt (Author)

[scholarly view]
Social Justice: Theories, Issues, and Movements (Critical Issues in Crime and Society)
by Professor Loretta Capeheart (Author), Professor Dragan Milovanovic (Author)

[legal view]
The Economics of Justice
by Richard A. Posner (Author)

[libertarian capitalism]
Economic Justice
by Stephen Nathanson (Author)

[textbook about economics contributing to social problems]
Social Policy and Social Change: Toward the Creation of Social and Economic Justice
by Jillian A. Jimenez (Author)

[Bread and Circus]

25. Quoting this for truth...

"And only on DU do I constantly see Clinton supporters who are PoC who say that somehow PoC are a magically smart voting block unlike all others. No they are not. They are as misinformed and vote against their best self interests like all other voting blocks."

Thank god somebody said it.

[artislife]

13. I stack up his negatives to h negatives

Bernie=small pile of negatives
V

H=Shipping cargo full of negatives.


No candidate is a perfect match.
I am voting for Bernie

[lunamagica]

16. Minutemen "little talking point"? Are you serious

Last edited Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe in your world, on in DU, but for the Latin population, the Minutemen has been a huge issue, For a long time nightly on the news in Univision and Telemundo.

Racist vigilante murderers... a source of fear, of feeling persecuted

If you think Hispanics see the Minutemen as a "Little talking point", you are sadly mistaken.

And the man who protected them will not get the Hispanic support. I mean, his numbers are already pathetically low among Hispanics...this "Little talking point" won't help him there.

Who knows, maybe more Latinos than we think are aware of this, and that why they are rejecting him by the millions

[TM99]

17. Yes, I am serious.

The BuzzFeed article describes this as a minuscule issue on a symbolic vote on an amendment that did not even pass. The upshot of it was not about the Minutemen but rather information sharing between US & Mexican government officials. Sanders is consistent in protecting our rights to privacy and unwarranted surveillance. Because it was not going to pass, he was able to vote for the amendment to congruently affirm this.

You and other Clinton supporters are doing your usual Rovian tactic of attacking his strengths with little shit like this. Sanders numbers with Hispanics are growing especially among the young who are under polled.

I live in Arizona and have done so since the early 1990's. I am around many latinos who are voting and support Sanders. They remember that Clinton supported the drug war which has negatively impacted not only AA's but also Hispanics. They are aware of her connections to for-profit prisons. They are aware that she wanted to deport the children from South America.

So yeah, I am calling bullshit and pushing back against yet another meme.

[Vattel]

31. +1000

[NCTraveler]

5. Passed it along. Thanks. nt.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Cute characterization, but it is a hell of a thing to aim at 76 House Democrats who also voted Yes

And what does it say about those who did not even bother to cast a vote at all, if the amendment 'Supported Border Vigilante Minutemen Group'? Maxine Waters, progressive Democrat from one of the border States involved did not even bother to vote on it. Same for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz of the more conservative branch of the Party. If this amendment really was what it is being characterized as, one would assume it would not have been met with 76 Democratic yes votes and apathy from DWS and Maxine and others. The actual vote, which was not 'Bernie says yes all by himself' indicates that the characterization offered here is far from accurate.

I come to a Democratic website and twice already I have read that 76 Democrats voted to protect a hate group while our current Party Chair apathetically abstained in the face of such a question. The OP makes it sound like Bernie wrote and passed this all by himself and that it really said 'we support this hate group'. To slime Bernie, this OP asserts hate group support by 76 Democrats and apathy about hate groups by several others.
Barf. Is this FR?

[JaneyVee]

14. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

[Bread and Circus]

26. Inconceivable!!!

[seabeyond]

19. I have been thinking about this today. I want to hear Sanders reasons. There have been other votes

he has made, that I want to hear the reason.

But, yes. Why did he vote for this.

[Robbins]

21. Smear bernie is in full force

i am not surprised.

[seabeyond]

28. His vote is now a "smear"?

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. How terrible of Sanders to smear himself by voting to support the racist Minuteman Group

This is not a smear if it is his own actions.

[LexVegas]

27. Unfit to lead. nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project.

Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project.

Voting YES on this amendment supports the Minuteman Project, a group of volunteers who have taken on surveillance of the Mexican border for illegal immigrants. The amendment states that US funds will not be used to tell the Mexican government about the whereabouts of the Minuteman Project volunteers. Proponents of the Minuteman Project say that they are volunteer citizens doing what the federal government SHOULD be doing, but has failed to do. Opponents of the Minuteman Project say that they are vigilantes at best and anti-Mexican racists at worst. The amendment states:
None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.
The amendment's sponsor said on its behalf:•What this amendment does is it clarifies Congress' position on a Border Patrol practice or a practice of the US Government that tips off illegal immigrants as to where citizen patrols may be located.
•As a response to the lawlessness along the Mexican border, a group has sprung up called the Minutemen Project, and the Minutemen Project is definitely not politically correct in Washington DC. However, they filled a void which the government was unable to fill.
•There are over 7,000 volunteers in the Minutemen organization, and their help has been productive and good.
•What my amendment does is simply says that the U.S. Government cannot tip off the Mexican officials as to where these folks are located. Plain and simple, nothing fancy about it. I am sure the Border Patrol will say, oh, no, we are not doing that, and yet one of the Web pages of the Secretary of Mexico had the information very explicit, and we just do not believe that is a good practice.

Reference: Department of Homeland Security appropriations; Bill HR 5441 Amendment 968 ; vote number 2006-224 on Jun 6, 2006

Even a symbolic vote to support the racist Minuteman group is unacceptable.

[okasha]

33. For the life of me,

I cannot figure out why this vote was "symbolic." Symbolic of what?

On the literal level, it's straight up support of armed, racist thugs wandering around the border looking for an "illegal" or ten to shoot. There is no morally or ethically acceptable reason to support this or any other hate group.

[Agnosticsherbet]

34. It doesn't make sense to me, either.

76 Democrats voted for it. 101 Democrats (The House Black Caucus, Hispanics, Pelosi and Hoyer (The Democratic leadership) all voted against it.)

It doesn't make sense to me, either.

[blackspade]

32. Another try at this one I see.

The 'scandal' du jour today from the Sanders 'gotcha' factory.
Pathetic. But entertaining!