To poor people, hunger is a fuckload more real than the problem of ISIS.

[Bonobo]

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So what the media or some comfortable people decide is a "real world event" is largely a matter of where you stand.

Some of us have seen this movie before and don't want to pay the admission.

That is why I support Bernie Sanders.

[AgingAmerican]

1. I'm in New Delhi India

When the Dalits beg for rupees, I buy them stuff off carts (can literally feed them for about 18 cents) but today one wanted me to buy her some flour to make roti. I bought 5kg for about 4$ from a small shop, but the owner would not let the girl pick it up, nor would he hand it to her. He said it would pollute his shop. I had to hand it to her. She was so grateful. Humans are losing touch with their humanity in the lust for money and conquest.

America needs a reboot.

[marew]

23. Thank you for your kindness to that poor woman.

I can only guess at the level of desperation she and others like her all around the world must feel every day.
You are so right! Compassion is not even in so many people's vocabulary.
It really helps me to be be reminded that there are individuals like you in the world. You made my day too!
Thank you.

[LeftofObama]

27. Thank you for helping her!

Please excuse my ignorance, but is this how poor people are treated there? They will "pollute" the shops of people who are selling things? I've never been to India, but if that's the way they treat people I'm not sure I will ever want to go.

[AgingAmerican]

42. They call them 'untouchables'

People say they are the lowest caste, but they are below caste. They are considered too low to be in a caste. They are the Indian aborigines.

[BarbaRosa]

28. Oh my, the memories your post invoked,

sounds like not much has changed from the late '60's India I remember.

[beam me up scottie]

2. This is about Bernie's campaign focus, right?

I get his meaning, all the saber rattling in the world won't feed one hungry child or house a homeless person.

Screaming about terra terra terra is red meat for the right wing but liberals know who's really destroying this country and it's not Muslims.

[Agschmid]

9. I have yet to see one of our candidates screaming "terra terra terra"...

But hey we can all just make shit up when we need too.

[beam me up scottie]

10. Did I say anything about our candidates?

But hey we can all just make shit up when we need too(sic).

[Agschmid]

16. Good to see we are on the same page.

None of our candidates do that.

[beam me up scottie]

17. We're obviously not on the same page and never were.

[Agschmid]

18. So you do believe our candidates "scream terra terra"?

It's pretty easy, you either do or you don't.

One of those is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts...

And yes we are on the same side, I mean have you seen the other side? Do you hear the republicans, they most certainly are screaming terra terra.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Lol! Whoooooosh!

[Agschmid]

21. Yes "whoooosh" indeed.

[exhausted]

43. i think she is referring to Hillary and 9/11

and her speech that sounded like a warhawk.

[tecelote]

13. There's this...

"And then, frankly, there are those that are saying the best thing that could happen to us is to be attacked by somebody. You know, just bring it on." - Hillary Clinton

Not quite "terra, terra, terra". But dispicable all the same.

[Agschmid]

15. I don't think that says what you think it says...

[tecelote]

20. Educate me then.

[Agschmid]

22. "There are those that are saying"

Yes there are, you heard Donald Trump lately?

[tecelote]

24. Here's the quote.

Nothing to do with the Donald. It's Hillary supporting Bush's war.

War monger.

[Agschmid]

25. Yes I know that, how could I not that video is posted several times a day here on DU.

And it's used to promote the "Hillary is a warmonger theme" which just isn't true.

No point in debate here, you've got your opinion I've got mine and we aren't about to change that.

[tecelote]

26. Agreed.

[MaggieD]

36. Apparently laughing at stupid shit GOPers say....

Is bad. Or something. Anything to smear her though. Ridiculous.

[artislife]

45. Heh.

[riversedge]

32. Shame on you for taking that quote out of context. That is Rovian thing to do and

you know it.

[MaggieD]

37. Yep.

But it happens day in and day out here.

[kath]

39. Well, she may not be screaming it, but HRC is certainly whispering - or dog-whistling -it every time

Full Giuliani thing - noun verb 9/11. (Only with her it's now "noun-verb-9/11-i'm-a-woman&quot

The old drumbeat:
Terra terra terra
Fear fear fear
Terra terra terra
Fear fear fear...

[Agschmid]

40. Well since there has been no terrorism lately clearly she is off topic.

Wait...

This war monger thing is a false meme.

[restorefreedom]

44. a faaareeeekin men.

and i don't mean that in any religious context, purely secular affirmation

[Fumesucker]

3. Of course the people don't want war.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[aspirant]

6. Fear of the unknown transformed into the fear of a known.

[aspirant]

4. Al-Queda, ISIS it's never ending just the names change

We overfeed the MIC and underfeed our children.

[tecelote]

14. "We overfeed the MIC and underfeed our children."

Well stated.

[frylock]

49. As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy..

We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies.

[Cassiopeia]

5. Life is tough and ISIS has zero impact.

I've slept in my car because it was the only place I had to sleep. I was deeply thankful to have a car to sleep in.

I've stood in front of the grocery store and begged for change so I could buy a sandwich.

I've worked for ONE dollar an hour so I could go to sleep without shelter, but at least I wouldn't be hungry.

Yeah, ISIS is is big fucking deal in my life. I wake up every day and consider my fears. ISIS doesn't even register.

Hunger, poverty, shelter, compassion, life.

ISIS? Bring 'em on. I have no fear worse than poverty, oppression and hunger.

ETA:

Ironically, ISIS exists because we created poverty, loss of shelter, hunger, and oppression.

[artislife]

48. They don't get what it is like to live on the edge

I can't say I have been completely homeless, but only because I had people who opened a room for me, here and there along the way in these last 5 years. I paid them 250 a month and it was a struggle. I would have 20 dollars and use 10 dollars to fill the gas tank. It was the only thing that would get me from job to job. I just got a new used car. It isn't a hatchback like my old kia (that was getting dangerous to drive) I cried when I knew it was going. I always knew that because I am only 5 feet, that I could sleep stretched out in it if I needed to. Last summer I was gathering information on the homeless camps. They give women in cars room in their parking lots at night to sleep safely. Someone found me a place to stay for 400 with a conspirecy guy who had a 2 gallon hot water heater. He has since lost his house. (He was one of those who let me see how progressives can go so far to the left that they are agreeing with some of Ron Paul's stuff about the FED.)


Many times since the crash of 2010, I thought about taking my little Kia on to I-90 into the mountain passes and going off the side to a certain death. Dispair is such a benign word for the reality of living on the edge.

Yeah, I don't worry about ISIS.

We have created, nutured and now are reaping the rewards of our overt and covert foreign policies.

[truedelphi]

7. You don't know how much I appreciate this topic. I turned the news on about an hour ago,

To find out that this one lone wolf, probably mentally ill, went on a rampage inside London's subway system and knifed a single individual.

A sad situation, but hardly "Terrorism." Yet that is what it is being called.

Any decent journalists would not participate in this. But the news stations knows it helps get them a larger audience: "Another terror event - film at 11" rather than "Expect snow here in the Calif sierras."

[Enthusiast]

8. Kicked and recommended!

[AZ Progressive]

11. Poor people are less likely to vote

Less than half of those who made under $20,000 voted in 2012. Meanwhile, voter participation for people who live in households with incomes of more than $75,000 was much higher at 77%.

- http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/05/news/economy/poor-people-voting-rights/

Middle class Americans also don't acknowledge that one day they can be poor as well.

[Alkene]

12. At the food bank.

I don't generally muse over global politics when I'm standing in line at the food bank. My focus tends to be on what's available at the protein station, if anything, besides peanut butter.

[JaneyVee]

29. Depends on which poor people.

Poor people over there are getting their heads lobbed off.

[reddread]

34. the Saudis and others seem to be our besties.

at least in some circles. they destroyed my family and the crime was exploited by the US for false (diversionary?)
charges against Iran.
this is serious shit.

https://www.google.com/#q=clinton+foundation+saudi+arabia

[madokie]

30. my sentiments exactly

[Blue_Adept]

31. And the DU bubble continues

Seriously, it's not that hard of a thing. When you're looking to draw a lot of people to you, a singular message is what gets you off the ground and Bernie has done that.

But now that he's trying to draw in more in order to make real gains and prove that he's ready for the national level in a big way, he's not handling it. And the way he phrases it here will come across as pretty petulant.

ISIS should not be the end all be all of discussion. But what people that are paying attention are seeing is a candidate that cannot pivot to a range of discussions.

Bernie's overall focus is a hugely important one and nobody is discounting that. But it's not going to be a singular focus that wins the white house and draws a lot of coattails downticket either.

This is just part of the whole vetting process that is the primary. I love many of Bernie's positions, most of them, but those positions are not the totality of what being President is about and he's rarely, reluctantly, and very begrudgingly dealing with them. And it's why he's not getting more airtime and soundbites.

[Skidmore]

33. Thank you. It is "this and..".

Not "just this." Exactly. You have captured one of the great reservations I have had about Sanders.

[MeNMyVolt]

41. +1. Well said. You and Skidmore have exactly captured my thoughts. n/t

[George II]

35. That's Sanders' message in a nutshell - he's a one-dimensional candidate....

...a REAL President can handle two issues at once. His foreign policy credentials are woefully lacking.

[zazen]

38. "W" couldn't handle any issues at once; even Bernie's offhand foreign policy comments are smarter

I guess I get frustrated by the impossibly high standards to which all Democratic candidates are held.

W and other Republican candidates could/can mouth off crap about all of the "issues," and because they cover all the bases, albeit in the most shallow way, they are considered well-rounded or something.

Sanders has more foreign policy insight and experience than anyone on the Republican side, except maybe Graham who at least has been on senate committees for years, and Sanders certainly has more than Bush the Dumber ever had.

And Bill ran on "it's the economy, stupid," right?

But because Sanders has such a focus on a particular deeper structural analysis and strategy to deal with the greatest crises of our day, it seems like his other credentials don't exist. However, if you took any of his comments on these issues and stood them up to anything by any Republican they'd be light years ahead, just in intelligence level.

Clinton does have a lot more direct foreign policy experience than Sanders, I'll grant you. I don't agree with her, but she's got a lot more experience.

[Fawke Em]

47. So are Hillary's.

I mean, she has foreign policy experience, but it's been very, very wrong.

[UglyGreed]

46. Those who are not

affected by hunger or poverty are not worried about such things. They just don't care. They fear terror because they are told to by the media even though the odds are low in this country. IMO terror is watching your kid go to bed hungry.......