2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMonica Lewinsky
will her head be popping up anytime during the primary,
or will the next job be as a commentator during the GE?
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)along with the other 1990's bullshit right wing crap thrown at the Clinton's.
It's allowed here, ya know.
still_one
(92,409 posts)Bill Clinton's issues to create flame bait, and suggest this is why Hillary couldn't win the general.
It was a garbage thread
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)still_one
(92,409 posts)monmouth4
(9,710 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Why?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Articles needs to pop up again?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
aspirant
(3,533 posts)or one of the other girlfriends.
You know like the 60's U of Chicago Bernie photo with the crew neck sweater who was claimed to be some Bruce guy?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Beacool
(30,253 posts)They throw anything against the wall, no matter how vile, to see what sticks. They fail to realize that the results are the opposite. The baser the attack, the more they infuriate Hillary supporters and the harder they work to make sure that she becomes the nominee.
Ironically, I have nothing against Sanders, but some of his supporters are crass, rude and classless. I bet Sanders would disapprove of the vitriol posted here by his supporters.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)But some are looking just to pick a fight.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't give a shit about Bill's affairs, stick to the issues.
The right wing will use this scandal against Hillary, we don't need to stoop to their level.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)There has been a lot lot of garbage posted today by both sides.
We should all step it up.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The money those sites generate is used AGAINST our candidates.
Both sides are guilty, and if anyone rec's one of those threads they're equally complicit.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)A lot of things are left to slide and it makes DU suck.
I'm not pro-censorship but I absolutely am anti-RW or conspiracy sources whenever they are presented on here.
Thanks.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Vince Foster coming up next.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Have you read what they say about our president at progressivestoday?
You do realize that linking to them means they're making money from DU, right?
But I guess if it's attacking Bernie you're okay with it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)With every click we are putting money in their pockets that they'll use to continue to attack liberals.
The people who rec'd and defended that thread AFTER they found out it linked to a racist tea party website are so interested in scoring points that they're actually helping the real enemy.
Not only do the hypocrites not care, they're proud of it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)voted for Paul once in his lifetime? The one and only comment you get from some about any article by Goodman is "Goodman."
Here's one example. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251870249
I've seen others. But, if it implies Bernie is doing something illegal with campaign funds, a lying, ratfucking site like progressivestoday.com gets defended to the death. And they wonder why I often post replies that consist solely of "LOL!" and "Comedy gold!"
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Logic is not their strong suit, if they're willing to dismiss Goodman because of one mistake why are they supporting Hillary?
merrily
(45,251 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)You and 187 other DUers, reccing a post linking to a right-wing fascist site "dedicated to compiling hostile dossiers about left-wing political figures", run by actual fascist Trevor Loudon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Loudon
In fact, you laughed when joshcryer pointed out that the linked site was run by Trevor Loudon.
Hypocrisy much?
Sid
merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 6, 2015, 11:30 AM - Edit history (1)
quote from MLK, Jr., copied and pasted. That was it. If you look at my posts on that thread, you'll see very clearly that I thought the source of the copy and paste was wikipedia, which everyone all over the internet cites. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=869860
As far as I know, because I never clicked on the link, the quote from MLK, Jr. was a correct quote, regardless of where it had been copied from. The idea that everyone who copies an MLK, Jr. quote from wikipedia can be smeared as a fascist was what I laughed at. So, yes, I rec'd an OP consisting entirely of something said by MLK, Jr. that I thought had come from wikipedia. Sue me.
On the other hand, a ratfucking website that is using a link to a Christmas song as its source for a story about Sanders is suspect on its face, without further investigation as to who owns or manages it. So, no the two situations are not at all comparable and should not be treated as comparable by any poster who is even half way honest.
Always fun to be tried and convicted in absentia, without regard to any highly relevant facts, though.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I have seen links from Red States, Ann Coulter, and a whole host of other nitwit right wing anti-Hillary sites touted by Bernie supporters a gospel. So what makes you think I give a shit about the one above? And for the record, I don't care how many times you folks bring up Monica, Vince Foster, pick a Bill Clinton scandal, emails, or Benghazi. Please proceed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why don't you have a look at the link in the op you rec'd and see what they have to say about Hillary?
I'm not responsible for what other Bernie supporters do but I sure as hell don't encourage or rec threads that link to right wing websites.
'But they did it first, Mom!' is not an excuse.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Get it?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You rec'd a thread that lined to a tea party website which was posted by a Hillary supporter yet you go on to complain about the other side.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And when, too has a Sanders supporter brought up Vince Foster?
Please, do back your claims up.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Without thought of if she has made mistakes or not, she has paid too heavy a price. This is beyond shallow.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Truly? As I said, this goes beyond just shallow.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)We are knee deep in shit now.
There is no turning back.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Now acknowledge the full range of both parties mistakes by him taking advantage of a very youthful intern as POTUS and denying having sex with that girl until that blue stained dress surfaced.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Out of context like that. Please edit your post to include the whole sentence if you are going to quote me. Truly dishonest.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)"truly dishonest" is your omission of POTUS's mistakes in this 2 person activity
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I place it all on Clinton. Let Lewinsky do what Lewinsky wants. Just leave her out of it. Your post taking me out of context is dishonest.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)"I place it all on Clinton" wonderful, now show me preciously where these words were in any of your previous posts
If Clinton was totally to blame how could a young,innocent intern make a mistake?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)In order to do so you literally had to take me out of context. i have made one and only one point; this is shallow. The rest is on you. I never said she made any mistake. Stop being dishonest.
Benefit of the doubt:
Charge: PUI
Third DUgree Felony
Guilty
Sentence: Sleep It Off
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Your second point; "I place it all on Clinton" an after the fact statement to try to wiggle out of your dilemma.
Nighty nite
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You are being dishonest.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)Monica, Bill, and of course Hillary. If Hillary is not guilty by association, then what's the point of the OP?
This story is not being resurrected to diminish Monica or Bill, right?
6chars
(3,967 posts)The Clintons dealt with it. Hillary's husband tarnished his reputation. Ms. Lewinsky is in her 40s now, and from what I can tell has grown through a rather horrible experience into someone who is classier than her critics.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)with 6 figure speaking fees?
reddread
(6,896 posts)and workplace infidelity just a little sooner than they might have previously.
good job guys, trash sex education in the classroom and put it on the nightly news.
no biggie.
doesnt reflect on his wife at all.
you might think.
Blue_Adept
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But to her credit she's shown grace and tact in trying to move on, so she should be respected in that if she seeks to continue with as normal a life as possible.
As for the rest of it, didnt give a shit then, sure dont give a shit now. My rationale for supporting a different candidate in the Democratic primary process has zero to do with the bullshit right wing shitshow Ken Starr performed at the taxpayers expense 18 years ago.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)reddread
Monica Lewinsky
will her head be popping up anytime during the primary,
or will the next job be as a commentator during the GE?
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sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)It should be self deleted!
Should HRC win the nomination, we know who will
bring it up, and none of us should like it even then!
Pfuuuiiiiii!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The GOP will pull out all the stops, and Lewinsky will be part of the equation.
Tip o'the hat to reddread for dusting it off and getting us ready for the Big Game.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... we can figure out how to sell more than 15% of potential voters to support a "Democratic Socialist".
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)So it should be fine. By some accounts he does better in polls against them than Hillary does.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Hillary has had those guns aimed at her for decades. She has faced everything the GOP has and she is still standing.
She is battle-tested in a way that Sanders will never be. He would be completely unprepared if the GOP machine were to take aim at him.
still_one
(92,409 posts)Castro during the 80's, will be brought up, and will not sit well with a lot of independents. Even if those positions were valid against Somoza and Batista, in this political environment, it isn't going to cut it.
The GOP machine has not even started to go after Bernie. There is no reason to until after the primaries.
They perceive Hillary as the probable Democratic nominee, and Bernie running against her in the primaries, serves their strategy because they hope it will weaken her within the party.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Everyone should see how low we have gone.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Kilgore
(1,733 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)Dying to hear all about it
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)about it all the time. So many of us were active in Clinton politics and government in the 90s.
It's almost like reminiscing about the good old days. Remember when the biggest scandal our country faced was the President's oral sex with a 20 year old intern?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)but here we are re-living it, because it fun and brings back those "good ole memories"...
aspirant
(3,533 posts)You know like the 60's U of Chicago Bernie photo with the crew neck sweater who was claimed to be some Bruce guy?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)At the time.
But times have changed.
I can't imagine a President getting away with something like that today.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Just for you.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's a good piece, and I have to admit, gave me a much different view if her.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)This OP is COMPLETELY PATHETIC in every conceivable way. lol
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Beacool
(30,253 posts)Keep trying......
Maybe the Vince Foster innuendo will work better for you.
Menshunables
(88 posts)but bill is still the good ole boy. Sexism, anyone?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)How...democratic of you.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I hope she stays out of the 2016 race.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)But it's ok if you're a Bernie supporter.
840high
(17,196 posts)link to them.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The tea party website you used to attack Bernie has headlines like this:
"It's very common in Muslim culture for granny to live upstairs from a bomb making factory & have no idea at all."
"The SAME people who've been marching on police stations & shutting down WHOLE cities ALSO say it's wrong to march on Mosques."
"Spin whatever narrative you want @Democrats. The truth on the ground in #SanBernardino is good guys with guns saved Libs from Jihadis."
"#FarooqSaeed was "living the American dream" right up until he unleashed his Muslim nightmare on innocent Americans."
"WAKE UP LIBERAL JEWS! The #SanBernardino Jihad was a MUSLIM slaughtering a Jew because he said Islam is violent. Pogroms are coming here."
"Unhinged #BlackPrivilege woman berates Hispanic McDonalds manager"
"Pious #SanBernardino jihadi "Showed no outward signs of violence" (other than his devotion to Islam of course)"
"@HillaryClinton LOVES Australia's gun laws. So what if it leaves #LGBT unarmed against their Muslim executioners!"
"Muslims slaughter people who would dare imply that Islam is a blood soaked death cult."
to "ask all candidates today about ending gun violence" they responded "You should be so ashamed. You've disgraced American Jewish community. #Apologize"
"Women in Special Forces? More like rape victim delivery service to our enemies"
"Progressive gun control is partially responsible for every death & wound AFTER the #SanBernardino Jihadis reloaded. #SittingDucks #2A"
"Obama & #progressive rhetoric demonizing Netanyahu is to blame for #SanBernardino massacre. #BloodOnYourHands" (though the wording "Koranimals" had to wait a few Tweets later)
"#SanBernardino jihad was attack on Jew in the office. I blame vicious progressive #BDS rhetoric against Israel."
"#ObamaLied #IsisThrived #AmericansDied"
"Neighbor of #SanBernardino jihadis was suspicious but didn't say anything because what if #FarooqSaeed #Ahmed was just building clocks?!"
"Muslim Tracks Down His Wifes Rapist, Cuts Off His Penis, Eats It"
"What a shameful day for the Reformed Jewish movement. The MUSLIMS had PIPE-BOMBS!"
"Come to think of it Muslims are VERY anti-abortion but they get a Progressive hall pass for some reason."
"I'm sick of these white male NRA Republicans and their mass shootings beca... um, Sayeed Farook? Hey, let's not vilify an entire group."
"Sliver lining to #SanBernardinoTerror...More people will become gun owners. Every time an American buys a gun the terrorists lose. #2A #NRA"
"Let me guess, "lone wolf" or "not real Islam". Probably sent over the edge by #GlobalWarming or lack of jobs."
"Were the #SanBernardino shooters desperate from California drought? Damn you #GlobalWarming!"
"The moment #Progressive gun control screwed the sitting duck victims of #SanBernardino. THEY RELOADED!"
"Another gun free zone filled with sitting ducks targeted for slaughter. When do we call @TheDemocrats a terrorist organization?"
"If only 9/11 had hit an abortion clinic!"
"VIDEO OF THE DAY!! Man gets mad at White trash welfare ho's using EBT to pay for food & cash to play the lottery"
"Has Obama called in the Feds to investigate @RahmEmanuel's police debt like he has elsewhere?"
"Paris orders Jews to cancel public Hanukkah celebrations! #IslamWins"
"Democrat endorsed & supported #BlackLiveSmatter rhetoric is to blame for #JabariDean threat to kill 16 white people at #UofChicago"
"ANOTHER dead kid in Chicago who #JesseJackson won't march for because no whitey to blame. #BlackLiveSmatter little."
"The left created a toxic environment for police & white people. Their rhetoric caused Jabari R. Dean to want to execute 16 white people."
"The real victims of the #LaquanMcDonald shooting are the cops thanks to collective punishment doled out by the radical left."
"No wonder Obama doesn't support the Kurds. They're pro-Jew! ==> Kurds hold ceremony recognizing expulsion of Jews!"
"Muslim actions have turned us off to giving a crap what turns them against us!"
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... You all a lesson about right wing sites. Did you not learn anything?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876329
By the way, it looks like you spend WAY too much time at that site. Oppo research on Clinton? LOL!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Yeah, you sure showed us whose side you're on.
I didn't link to them, you did, and every click from your op puts money in their pockets to use against liberal causes.
Sure, I learned that some people are so eager to score points they'll get into bed with anything.
I hope it was worth it.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Which was the point I was making. Why is that?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Excellent! How many of you alerted on it?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Btw, every time you post it a link to your op and people click on that link you make the tea party website more money.
How's it feel to aid the enemy?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Now we have a whole list of Bernie supporters absolutely on record as objecting to right wing sites (even when the story is true, which is not usually the case when it's a Clinton smear).
So given that, I can now expect all of you to stop using them AND call them out when you see your fellow supporters doing it - right?
I thought it was a valuable lesson many needed to learn. Don't you agree?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You didn't teach anyone a lesson by linking to that site, you just made the bigots more money.
And I don't think that's a mistake on your part.
After finding out the racist garbage that site writes about our President you doubled down and refused to delete it.
That tells me everything I need to know about why you're here.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I mean, come on, it's not like pointing out a hundred fucking times, that Bernie supporters have been using right wing web sites has been effective. Right?
So what better way to do it than to watch you all hoot and holler about something your side does day in and day out. You know what my impetuous was - some bullshit a Bernie poster posted from American Enterprise Institute, which is about as right wing as it gets. Not one of you said a damn thing.
And of course I had the ethics to use something that was actually true, and could be backed up by the mainstream media, including his campaign chief of staff admitting it.
If you don't want right wing web sites to get clicks all of the sudden, I suggest you be on the hunt for when Bernie peeps do it and alert on it. Because it happens here day in and day out, and not by Hillary supporters.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You could have posted the Vermont article without linking to a tea party website.
And if you were so distressed by other's behaviour you could have posted an op about why it's unethical to link to right wing sources.
So I'm not buying either excuse.
It's obvious you're willing to get into bed with racists, homophobes and misogynists just to smear Bernie and score points on DU.
That sickening display of hypocrisy was anything but intelligent.
Enlightening, but not intelligent.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts).... the alert stalking. As I have pointed out before, you all try your best to hide the truth about him with your alerts. That thread sure proved that. And then, when the Bernie crowd failed at that (3-4) they all just kept alert stalking until they got a bogus hide on an innocuous post in the thread. Just keep trying until you get a majority Bernie jury, right?
So I got to prove that point too.
But I am super glad to see your new found distaste for right wing web sites. Glad to know I can count on you from this point forward to go after those that use them. Right? LOL!
Remember, I am counting on you! Don't disappoint me now.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Every time you get a post hidden it's someone else's fault.
Cry me a river.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And though I have read here most days for 14 years, I go long stretches without posting. I know DU is super important to a lot of you, but it's just not to me. Even if his supporters hide and stalk me I will be back. It's an exercise in futility to try to silence me simply because you don't like who I support.
It sucks that that is done here, especially to people that used to think of this has a safe haven for actual Democrats, and have built relationships here. But that doesn't describe me. So while I abhor how Bernie supporters use the jury system it doesn't really mean much to me personally.
Sorry to disappoint you.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)LOL! Sounds like you are actually covering your ears and saying "la la la, I can't hear you."
But you read it. You know you couldn't resist. You read all my stuff just in case you can find something to alert on, right?
On a similar topic - don't you think hiding something is the very best way to ensure it gets read? I do. People just can't resist finding out what was said that was hid, you know?
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)according to you. Bill Clinton is not running, it is Mrs. Hilary Clinton who is running? Why you looking for adversity when there is none?
reddread
(6,896 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)that kind of french?
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)according to you during this primary season.
reddread
(6,896 posts)she may have gone down for air briefly, but im sure she will be back, and not just at her own behest.
what creampuff election outcomes are you dreaming of?
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Where is the link that Ms. Lewinsky is now in the debate during Mrs. Clinton's campaign? And where you pull that BS out of?
reddread
(6,896 posts)and since we seem to have a problem communicating here, Im gonna let you go for now.
take care.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)we seem to be having a failure to communicate, so Im gonna let you continue dreaming of a free and
fair election with no rough stuff.
enjoy.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)You can always go tell other DUers that Ms. Lewinsky will 'pop up' to derail Mrs. Clinton's candicacy! Come on, am sure Ms. Lewinsky has moved on and would be very angry that DUers are making her an issue during Mrs. Clinton's campaign.
merrily
(45,251 posts)in the general campaign if Hillary is the nominee is dreaming. Supposedly, people near Chappaqua now see him regularly with his latest, and that has already been floated. Same for Foster, Berger, MacDougall and all the rest of it. The Clinton baggage is never going to go away.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)her name, not really, she is a Clinton too! If she is the best candidate, why should she be accountable for the sins of her husband? That is mind boggling! If Bernie is not gaining traction and Omalley is in 2%, my goodness, the writing is on the wall, you all have to elect Mrs. Clinton, otherwise America will end up with a bigot and a racist who has no idea what foreign policy is all about. Trump, all he knows to do is to rile up bigoted americans!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Handwrite that.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Mr. Sanders would gain traction but it does not seem likely.
Most Americans do no like dynasties but this time, it is either another Clinton or Trump!
merrily
(45,251 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Did you notice that?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Remember Hillary was the victim in that sordid affair.
Response to DCBob (Reply #101)
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)Richard Mellon Scaife certainly got his money's worth, and he certainly has a long reach - being referenced almost 30 yrs later by supposed "progressives" in attacking their foes in the Democratic Party.
Nothing ever really changes, does it?
demmiblue
(36,893 posts)Response to reddread (Original post)
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)MIRT calling MIRT.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Though he wasn't my type, a little too much for me especially with that wig and all.
You aren't that good at this are you?
Where did you come from?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Oh boy.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)known and very well understood. Pretty simple.
I would say it takes more effort than the thought it took to put this op together. lol.
reddread
(6,896 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I believe that.