Mrs. Clinton's role in Honduras coup is reason to block her nomination

[Cheese Sandwich]

Hillary Clinton was wrong to secretly support an illegal coup against a democratically elected government in Honduras. This has had disastrous effect on the people of Honduras. It also added to a refugee and migration crisis that we see in the United States. It's time to bury the Nixon-Kissenger foreign policy attitudes forever. The US shouldn't be supporting any right wing coup in Latin America. Mrs. Clinton's role in this coup against a democratically elected government is reason to block her nomination.

Hillary Clinton sold out Honduras:
Lanny Davis, corporate cash, and the real story about the death of a Latin American democracy

In the 5 a.m. darkness of June 28, 2009, more than two hundred armed, masked soldiers stormed the house of Honduran president Manuel Zelaya. Within minutes Zelaya, still in his pajamas, was thrown into a van and taken to a military base used by the U.S., where he was flown out of the country.

It was a military coup, said the UN General Assembly and the Organization of American States (OAS). The entire EU recalled its countries’ ambassadors, as did Latin American nations. The United States did not, making it virtually the only nation of note to maintain diplomatic relations with the coup government. Though the White House and the Clinton State Department denounced only the second such coup in the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War, Washington hedged in a way that other governments did not. It began to feel like lip service being paid, not real concern.

Washington was dragging its feet, but even within the Obama administration a distinction was seen very early seen between the White House and Secretary Clinton’s State Department. Obama called Zelaya’s removal an illegal “coup” the next day, while Secretary Clinton’s response was described as “holding off on formally branding it a coup.” President Obama carefully avoided calling it a military coup, despite that being the international consensus, because the “military” modifier would have abruptly suspended US military aid to Honduras, an integral site for the US Southern Command, but Obama called for the reinstatementof the elected president of Honduras removed from his country by the military.

Clinton was far more circumspect, suspiciously so. In an evasive press corps appearance, Secretary Clinton responded with tortured answers on the situation in Honduras and said that State was “withholding any formal legal determination.” She did offer that the situation had “evolved into a coup,” as if an elected president removed in his pajamas at gunpoint and exiled to another country was not the subject of a coup at the moment armed soldiers enter his home.
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more: http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/exclusive_hillary_clinton_sold_out_honduras_lanny_davis_corporate_cash_and_the_real_story_about_the_death_of_a_latin_america_democracy/

Clinton & the Coup: Amid Protests in Honduras, Ex-President on Hillary's Role in His 2009 Ouster

JULY 28
In Honduras, as many as 25,000 people marched Friday demanding the resignation of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández. The protests come six years after a coup ousted Honduras’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. In an exclusive interview, Zelaya talks about the new protest movement, the fallout from the 2009 coup, and Hillary Clinton’s role in his ouster. "On the one hand, [the Obama administration] condemned the coup, but on the other hand, they were negotiating with the leaders of the coup," Zelaya said. "And Secretary Clinton lent herself to that, maintaining that ambiguity of U.S. policy to Honduras, which has resulted in a process of distrust and instability of Latin American governments in relation to U.S. foreign policies." While the United States publicly supported Zelaya’s return to power, newly released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up a back channel of communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed as Honduran president after the coup. In one email, Clinton referenced lobbyist and former President Clinton adviser Lanny Davis. She wrote, "Can he help me talk w Micheletti?" At the time, Davis was working for the Honduran chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported the coup. In another email, Thomas Shannon, the State Department’s lead negotiator for the Honduras talks, refers to Manuel Zelaya as a "failed" leader.
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http://www.democracynow.org/2015/7/28/clinton_the_coup_amid_protests_in

[Cheese Sandwich]

1. Clinton emails include telling exchanges about coup that toppled leftist President Manuel Zeylaya

July 6 2015

The Hillary Clinton emails released last week include some telling exchanges about the June 2009 military coup that toppled democratically elected Honduran president Manuel Zelaya, a leftist who was seen as a threat by the Honduran establishment and U.S. business interests.

At a time when the State Department strategized over how best to keep Zelaya out of power while not explicitly endorsing the coup, Clinton suggested using longtime Clinton confidant Lanny Davis as a back-channel to Roberto Micheletti, the interim president installed after the coup.

During that period, Davis was working as a consultant to a group of Honduran businessmen who had supported the coup.

In an email chain discussing a meeting between Davis and State Department officials, Clinton asked, “Can he help me talk w Micheletti?”
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more: https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/clinton-honduras-coup/

[FlatBaroque]

2. Neoliberal economics will lead to the death of mankind

Clintonian economics must be stopped, arrested, and reversed if there is any chance for our civilization to respond to the coming crisis'.

[reformist2]

11. We still treat Central America like we did 100 years ago... shameful.

[leveymg]

27. Bill did exactly the same thing to Aristide in '96.

Pattern and practice.

[MaggieD]

3. More baseless smears

I read through your link to the right wing Intercept, and all that is there is that the US government supported the Honduran people. They did not assist in the coup, either before or after.

You seem to be upset that the US government formed an opinion on it. Laughable.

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Wow you're just like denying reality and evidence that is right in front of you

So sad.

[truedelphi]

29. The overall pro-Kissinger tone of her very own book should cause

Any democracy loving person to fear Mrs. Clinton. (And the fact she didn't divorce her intern-screwing husband when he violated every known recommendation and legal protection about employer/employee relationships, plus the display of lack of common sense he indicated, means she must want to be Mrs Clinton!)


From Mark Weisbrot's article, Autumn 2014


http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html


In a recent op-ed in The Washington Post, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a review of Henry Kissinger’s latest book, “World Order,” to lay out her vision for “sustaining America’s leadership in the world.” In the midst of numerous global crises, she called for return to a foreign policy with purpose, strategy and pragmatism. She also highlighted some of these policy choices in her memoir “Hard Choices” and how they contributed to the challenges that Barack Obama’s administration now faces.

The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”

The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

Despite this, however, both under Clinton and Kerry, the State Department’s response to the violence and military and police impunity has largely been silence, along with continued U.S. aid to Honduran security forces. In “Hard Choices,” Clinton describes her role in the aftermath of the coup that brought about this dire situation. Her firsthand account is significant both for the confession of an important truth and for a crucial false testimony. And per her confession, Clinton admits that she used the power of her office to make sure that Zelaya would not return to office. “In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary [Patricia] Espinosa in Mexico,” Clinton writes. “We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.”

[hootinholler]

5. Kicking to piss off the right people. n/t

[Godhumor]

6. Here, let me show you how much difference this will make

Any questions?

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. Yes.

Who cares? If you don't care about an illegal right wing coup in Latin America prompting a refugee crisis to the United States, hey that's your business.

[moobu2]

7. So, she asked a question

"Can he help me talk w Micheletti?" ?

That's her role in the coup? You do know she was Secretary of State don't you? Jeeez.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. It was a lot more than that

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The international community was united in calling it a coup and for Zelaya to return to power. The US made the effort to legitimize the coup government, and by all accounts the state department was driving that.

[yardwork]

8. Fox News always refers to her as "Mrs. Clinton."

[FlatBaroque]

13. You should consider watching less Fox News

and consider other sources for news.

[yardwork]

17. But then I wouldn't recognize the source of so much posted on DU.

[restorefreedom]

30. and? nt

[Sheepshank]

9. Clinton's pant suits are apparently enough eliminate her nomination.

Posting articles without comment...the go to for a couple of bitter Bernie supporters.

[Cheese Sandwich]

14. ..

[Warren DeMontague]

10. BUT SHE GOT RICKY MARTIN'S ENDORSEMENT!

What the hell more do you want?

[AzDar]

15. K & R

[mylye2222]

16. Add to that reason:

Using State Departement as an unofficial CGI' s annex, and using her position to get interests for non-governement-related activities.

[senz]

18. Interesting that Hillary & Obama were so far apart on this issue.

within the Obama administration a distinction was seen very early seen between the White House and Secretary Clinton’s State Department. Obama called Zelaya’s removal an illegal “coup” the next day, while Secretary Clinton’s response was described as “holding off on formally branding it a coup.”

Obama called for the reinstatement of the elected president of Honduras removed from his country by the military.

Clinton was far more circumspect, suspiciously so. In an evasive press corps appearance, Secretary Clinton responded with tortured answers on the situation in Honduras and said that State was “withholding any formal legal determination.” She did offer that the situation had “evolved into a coup,”

While the United States publicly supported Zelaya’s return to power, newly released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up a back channel of communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed as Honduran president after the coup.

I always thought the SOS did what the POTUS wanted.

Can the American people trust Hillary Clinton to be truthful with us?

[madokie]

25. No

We can not trust her to do diddly squat for us not in the 1 or 2 % column

[MineralMan]

19. The number of people who care about this

Is approximately the same as the number who could locate Honduras on an unlabeled map of the region. Could you do that, I wonder?

[Wilms]

20. That's not exactly a great metric.

Is it?

[MineralMan]

21. In terms of the campaign, it is a

salient metric. I'd guess that less than 0.1% of the population could locate it on an unlabeled map. Approximately the same number knows any thing about it. It's simply not an issue that will affect votes.

[Wilms]

22. And of morality?

[MineralMan]

23. I didn't follow that situation at all.

I can't speak to the morality, and do not have time to research it. I do know that it will play no role in this election, though, for the reasons I outlined.

[Wilms]

24. Then the OP is for you!

At minimum, you'll discover why some people don't want the Clinton's or their associates in the WH.

[think]

26. Tacit dismissal due to American ignorance of foreign policy? Come on.....

[MineralMan]

33. No. Dismissal because it will have no effect on the

primaries. This is General Discussion: Primaries. Honduras will not come into play in them.

[Cheese Sandwich]

35. It gets a little tricky down there

But I can label Panama, Nicaragua, um... Belize, Guatemala.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. It's one of many reasons she's unfit for the office. K&R

[bigwillq]

31. K and R (nt)

[reddread]

32. sweatshops, child labor and sexual slavery

that stuff only matters to liberals, and who cares what they think?

[Doctor_J]

34. Meh. the supporters have blocked out her similarities to Kissinger

(and all of the other regime changers that have darkened the corridors of DC for decades).