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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:40 PM Nov 2015

The Democratic Party will survive the 2016 Democratic primary elections.

It will survive them just fine. Lots of people claim to be part of the "base" of the party. Many of those claiming to be the "base", however, are only members of the Democratic Party when it is convenient for them. If they don't get their way with nominees and the like, they disappear and are nowhere to be found.

Many of those who claim to be the "base" are never seen at local party organization meetings. They often believe that they cannot fight against the "establishment" of the party. They don't actually like the Democratic Party, really. They want to remake it in their own image and take over without any effort on their own parts. If they don't get instant agreement with their positions, they leave and are never seen again.

I know the people who are the real "base" of the Democratic Party, or DFL Party, in MN. They're ordinary people who happen to think that political activism means doing a lot of hard work in organization and election work. They actually show up for really, really boring meetings as committee members, board members and precinct leaders. They plan the caucuses. They publish announcements and maintain websites. They're spending time during those periods when there is no looming election, keeping things going and planning for the next election. They're talking to potential candidates for office and helping them plan their run. They make the Democratic Party a viable, continuing organization.

They're young, middle-aged, and older. Most are well-educated and all are dedicated to political work. They're unpaid, unthanked, and unappreciated. They are the "base" of the party. So are those Democrats who show up at the caucus meetings, vote in every primary and odd-year local election, after checking to see who the DFL-endorsed candidates are. Many will volunteer to be delegates at the district conventions, which never have as many delegates as are possible from the precincts. Many of them will donate to the local party organization or the state party, and some will show up to do canvassing, man the phone banks, distribute yard signs and organize public events where candidates can meet the voters. All of the people who make up the "base" can be counted on to show up on every election day and vote for every damned Democrat on the ballot. They'll also bring others with them to add to the vote count.

The "base" of the party works its ass off to make things happen. Without them, nothing happens. No registration drives. No people driving voters to the polls who have transportation issues. No people calling on election day to remind people to turn out and vote. No people to help new candidates who want to run get the papers filed and all of the details handled.

People who limit their participation to just voting when they like the candidate aren't the "base." They're important, but they're not the "base" of the party. The "base" works hard to try to get them to the polls. Sometimes they go and sometimes they don't, based on their own opinion of who should be running or who shouldn't be the candidate.

The Democratic Party has a "base." Not everyone who thinks they are part of that "base" actually are, though. Those who work, year after year, to make the Democratic Party a major political party know who the "base" is. They know who it is not, too.

That's the "base." The "base" is at work right now getting ready for the 2016 caucuses, primaries and everything connected with the things that make elections and the party itself an important part of the political process. The "base" hopes everyone will show up and vote in the primaries for the candidate they prefer. After they do, the "base" will help the one who wins prevail in the General Election. Hillary? Bernie? Walter? The "base" doesn't care. You decide who you want. We'll help that person win.

That's the real "base" of the party.

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The Democratic Party will survive the 2016 Democratic primary elections. (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2015 OP
Help someone you know today to register to vote or make arrangements to take randys1 Nov 2015 #1
Exactly. I always have voter registration forms and info MineralMan Nov 2015 #3
I dont, I should, good idea. randys1 Nov 2015 #4
It doesn't always come up, but if it does, MineralMan Nov 2015 #6
I do that too rbrnmw Dec 2015 #26
I don't disagree Scootaloo Nov 2015 #2
Again, such people are not the "base" of anything. MineralMan Nov 2015 #5
I know. we're talking about people who lay claim to the term without earning it. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #12
Will it? pengu Nov 2015 #7
placate republicans did not turn out to be winning strategy after all nt msongs Nov 2015 #9
I have tried to tell that to people here. murielm99 Nov 2015 #8
People will either be active or they will not. MineralMan Nov 2015 #11
I was discussing this with my brother. murielm99 Nov 2015 #19
I know there's nothing hidden in our DFL organization. MineralMan Nov 2015 #20
I wasn't going to revisit this thread, but murielm99 Dec 2015 #23
I've been a "real" Democrat for 40 years... brooklynite Nov 2015 #10
Thank you for all that work! MineralMan Nov 2015 #14
The Left is the base of the Democratic party AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #13
Only those from the left who participate actively in MineralMan Nov 2015 #15
Thank you. That needs to be said more. rbrnmw Dec 2015 #27
Thank you so much for all you do. MineralMan Dec 2015 #29
they can't keep me away rbrnmw Dec 2015 #31
I think the "base" is different in Vermont, Montana, Texas and North Carolina... brooklynite Nov 2015 #16
It is not fun at times being a Democrat in Texas Gothmog Nov 2015 #18
Great post Gothmog Nov 2015 #17
Thanks. I know you understand what I'm saying. MineralMan Nov 2015 #22
K&R for sense! mcar Nov 2015 #21
Glad you finished up your contract. Two excellent posts today. K&R! n/t MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #24
maybe the Democratic Party will survive but.... Roy Ellefson Dec 2015 #25
primary will be fine. it's surviving the GE i'm worried about. 0rganism Dec 2015 #28
We have to do our best to prevent that. MineralMan Dec 2015 #30
I remember so many times when people said rbrnmw Dec 2015 #32

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Help someone you know today to register to vote or make arrangements to take
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

them to the polls next year.

Speaking to everybody.

AT the end of the day, there is a vast rightwing machine working to steal and prevent approximately 8 million votes...

We need EVERYBODY to vote.

And I dont care if the Democratic Party nominee for president is a German Shepherd, you VOTE for that god damn dog.

It wont be, it will be a person, which one really doesnt matter in the BIG PICTURE

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. Exactly. I always have voter registration forms and info
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:47 PM
Nov 2015

with me, wherever I go.

Registration and voting are everything.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
6. It doesn't always come up, but if it does,
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

I have them available. Now, during the canvassing period, I push them on unregistered people, for sure. But, they're always in my cars, and available whenever the subject comes up.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. I don't disagree
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:46 PM
Nov 2015

But I remember who claimed to be "the base" and then ran away to the Republicans when a black man became the nominee.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Again, such people are not the "base" of anything.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:49 PM
Nov 2015

The "base" is solid and reliable. The "base" turns out and votes for Democratic candidates. Every last freaking time. You can count on the "base."

pengu

(462 posts)
7. Will it?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:55 PM
Nov 2015

We're decades past due for a party realignment, historically speaking, and the party is taking massive losses at all levels other than the presidency.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
8. I have tried to tell that to people here.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:14 PM
Nov 2015

I talk about the meetings and the work. I talk about finding local candidates and electing people at all levels. Sometimes I mention the names of the candidates the local people are supporting.

When I ask DU people to come out and do some of the work, I hear terms like "establishment" and "corporate." Never mind that these are union people, teachers, small business owners who are trying to make their counties, communities and our country a better place.

Yes, these people show up every four years with stars in their eyes for someone like Dean, Kuchinich and even Obama. Then, they are gone. And they wonder why we can't get a majority in Congress. They wonder why their counties are going to shit. The repubbies know how to organize on the local level. We need to wake up.

DU has a real problem with this. We have too many people here who sit in front of their computers and do nothing else.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. People will either be active or they will not.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

That's what I've learned. I've been active in local Democratic organizations everywhere I have lived. I wish I could do more, but time is always limited by something. The wonderful people I have met in those organizations are working their butts off, trying to make politics work for people. Without them, there would be no Democratic Party. And still, they get abused by people who have no idea how it all works and what those people actually do.

They're not the "Establishment." They're just Democrats who want to improve government through electing good people to office. I wish some of the people who sneer at those people would actually show up and stay long enough to actually take part in the ongoing work.

I've more or less given up on trying to get more people involved in the local DFL Party organization. I've had little to no success. Everyone seems to want things to get better, but few seem willing to actually do the work to make it so. It's a pity.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
19. I was discussing this with my brother.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:29 PM
Nov 2015

He lives in another state, but he does as much as he can locally. We were talking about how much more open the processes are than many people realize. The same thing goes for court business and jury duty. When you understand how it works, you become even more proud to be a part of it.

Are there crooks in it? Of course. I live in Illinois. Sometimes it seems we either have statesmen or criminals. Most of us just keep trying to elect Democrats and do the best we can. Since I live in a red county, I have gotten to know some of my counterparts on the other side. Many of them are decent. Our county clerk always takes my phone calls, whether or not it is business. She and some of the others want the same things I do for our county and our state.

I guess we can try to keep talking to people here. Maybe a few will decide to volunteer. I know I won't be that busy with politics until after the holidays. I can go to a few Christmas parties, if I want to. But that will depend on what my family needs.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
20. I know there's nothing hidden in our DFL organization.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:44 PM
Nov 2015

I've participated at multiple levels. My favorite is our State a Senate district convention.
Healthcare about 350 people there, and every candidate shows up, from city council members to our federal Senators. I've talked to then all out in the hallway. "Hi, I'm (name). I'm concerned about (subject) and would like to hear what you want to do about that." In every case, I've gotten a good answer an some additional conversation.

Those candidates know that the people at that low-level convention are dedicated Democratic activists and will address you concerns. At one of those, I ran into Al Franken and asked him if was considering a presidential run. He laughed and said, "No way." Then we talked about other stuff for a few minutes.

Being involved in party activities gives you access and a better understanding. It's more than worth the time spent. Way more.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
23. I wasn't going to revisit this thread, but
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

I was speaking to a friend yesterday. She and her husband have retired and they are moving out of the community to a smaller house. We were remembering an election we tried to win about twenty-five years ago.

We were all very unhappy with the conservative, mostly republican members of our school board. This was not strictly about Democrat vs. Republican. It was more about the philosophy, and what we thought our children needed. We wanted to oust some of the more hidebound members of the school board.

We canvassed door-to-door. We called. We held meetings. I registered all sorts of people.

We got good responses when when we spoke to people. When we held a meeting, we got exactly THREE parents to show up. When it came time to vote, almost everyone had a lame excuse about why they did not make it to the polls.

None of our candidates won. One of them, the friend who is now moving away, lost by one vote. She said she learned a lot during the course of that election.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
10. I've been a "real" Democrat for 40 years...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

...I started out as a Ward Committeeman in the City Party in College. In my early years when I had more free time I worked for months on political campaigns. I've driven out of State to register Democratic voters. I've flown out of State to canvas for Democratic candidates and to do voter protection. I've served endlessly as a Democratic Poll Watcher.

I have no doubt that I don't agree with everyone on every issue. But I stick to the principle of working within the Party to change it, rather than stamping my foot and walking away.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. Thank you for all that work!
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

I started at age 15, when JFK was running. I showed up at my county Democratic headquarters and said, "What can I do to help?" The person I talked to smiled and put me to work. That was my introduction. 50+ years later, I'm still asking "What can I do?" There's always something that needs doing. These days, I'm a delegate to the conventions and a precinct chair. I walk the entire precinct, knocking on doors and helping to GOTV. These days, a majority of the people who live in this precinct recognize me and are happy to chat for a while.

I have business cards for the precinct organization with my phone number and email address on them. I hand those out to everyone. I get calls and emails with all sorts of questions and requests. I answer the questions and help people get in contact with those who can help them with their requests.

Best story, so far: One woman asked me how she could get a stop sign at an intersection near her home where there had been multiple accidents. I told her I didn't know, but I'd find out. I called the city council member for our ward, introduced myself and asked him how she might do that. He took down the information and had the public works director call her. Two weeks later, that intersection had a four-way stop sign configuration.

The woman who contacted me now shows up at the precinct caucuses and serves as a delegate to the district convention. She's now a solid member of the "base."

It's all about service. The DFL Party in MN is all about service. Its goal is to make government work for the people who live here.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
15. Only those from the left who participate actively in
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:32 PM
Nov 2015

their local and regional party organizations. There are some who do. I know them, and they know me. There are many who do not. Do you? If so, thank you for being part of the "base" of the party. If not, then I hope you will get started on that soon.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
27. Thank you. That needs to be said more.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:51 PM
Dec 2015

I tend to like face to face interaction anyway. I have been helping out since I was 7 years old. I have been helping with GOTV and local HQ work volunteering since I was 18 some years more because life happens. I have missed only 2 local elections because we moved and not in time to register. I was so upset in 88 when Dukakis lost. We watched returns at HQ until we all knew it was over. If the people like you and my parents had not shown me early on how it works. I might have been just too upset about how dirty it can get and given up.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
29. Thank you so much for all you do.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:38 PM
Dec 2015

You and those like you are the base of the party. Please continue. It's crucial.

Gothmog

(145,290 posts)
18. It is not fun at times being a Democrat in Texas
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:56 PM
Nov 2015

We will turn Texas blue but it will take a great deal of work

Gothmog

(145,290 posts)
17. Great post
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:55 PM
Nov 2015

As someone who is a precinct chair, past delegate to two state conventions and an officer of my local party, I agree with this post. Every party is made of up some hard core volunteers who are the true base of the party. I am fortunate to be able to also contribute to party operations financially including just writing a nice size check to help pay for my county's vote by mail program.

I will support the nominee of the party no matter who it is. Right now, I am supporting Clinton as are many others in Texas

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. Thanks. I know you understand what I'm saying.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:47 PM
Nov 2015

Being active is a great opportunity to play a role, no matter how small it seems. It's worth the time, and then some.

 

Roy Ellefson

(279 posts)
25. maybe the Democratic Party will survive but....
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:12 PM
Dec 2015

I've considered myself part of the "the base" of the Democratic Party for 40 years (well 57 if you count my years as a 'child') but if the "base" of the Democratic Party now opposes Single-Payer, defends privatization of government responsibilities (i.e privatization of infrastructure, education)...well then count me out. If I am no longer the base as you proclaim then to hell with the Democratic Party.

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
28. primary will be fine. it's surviving the GE i'm worried about.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:18 PM
Dec 2015

there's a significant chance -- i think we'd have to be fools to ignore it -- that republicans walk away from the 2016 GE with total control of the federal government, and even more state governments.

now THAT might just mark the end of the Democratic party, but we'll all be too busy dealing with the end of America to care very much for long.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
32. I remember so many times when people said
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:58 PM
Dec 2015

it was over for the Democratic Party it hasn't happened yet.

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