Bernie Sanders; FDR 2.0

[pinebox]

It gets tiresome of Hillary supporters trying to re-brand her as a progressive when she's a centrist at best i not even a conservative Dem.
There is one candidate who is though and his name is Bernie Sanders and through out his campaign he's been campaigning on FDR's "Second Bill Of Rights" and pontificating from a platform that many Dems have wanted for a very long time to enact. Besides health care, FDR's 2nd is one that has always eluded the part and for once, we finally have a change to enact what was first brought forth in 1944. Bernie Sanders in his recent speech about Democratic Socialism said "Real freedom must include economic security." He is of course is 100% correct.

What is FDR's Second Bill Of Rights?

The 8 principles are brought forth to guarantee 8 basic human rights.

Employment (right to work)
Food, clothing and leisure
Farmers' rights to a fair income
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Housing
Medical care
Social security
Education

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-socialism_564e281ee4b00b7997f9df76
Sanders’ speech invoked Franklin Delano Roosevelt's 1944 State of the Union address, in which the president described “a second Bill of Rights" to provide more economic security for the American people. Sanders quoted Roosevelt, who said that “true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men.”

“In other words, real freedom must include economic security,” Sanders said.

Sanders noted that policies FDR advocated for, such as Social Security, a federal minimum wage, the 40-hour workweek, the eradication of child labor, collective bargaining, banking regulations and other measures, were derided as “socialist” at the time.

“Against the ferocious opposition of the ruling class of his day, people he called economic royalists, Roosevelt implemented a series of programs that put millions of people back to work, took them out of poverty and restored their faith in government,” Sanders said. “He redefined the relationship of the federal government to the people of our country. He combated cynicism, fear and despair. He reinvigorated democracy. He transformed the country. And that is what we have to do today.”

For once we have something great before us which we CAN achieve but right now only ONE candidate is fighting for that and that's #feelthebern!

[leftofcool]

1. FDR 2.0? I hope not. You might want to do some research on how Blacks were treated under FDR

[cascadiance]

7. LBJ also did some very good things as well as some bad things too...

He brought us the Civil Rights Act that got the Democratic Party more on the side of helping us move towards the right approach on Civil Rights that southern Democrats wouldn't allow it to do earlier prior to the sixties. He also brought us Medicare and other good stuff too, but I would not laud him for a lot of what he did with the Vietnam war.

I would also question FDR's policies towards Japanese Americans during WWII with internment camps then too. I don't think that FDR's major driving force was the bad treatment of African Americans or Japanese Americans, even if he had to deal with contingents in the party that wanted to push those bad policies.

But a vast majority of what FDR did otherwise was a very good step forward to helping out our country recover from the last big move by the wealthy to convert this country in to a fascist state, which he also had help from Smedley Butler in stopping too (even though most of our kids aren't allowed to read about that piece of our history in their HS textbooks).

[HerbChestnut]

14. Nobody's perfect

But to hold a person who lived in a different time to today's standards is a bit unfair.

[Buzz Clik]

2. So, Sanders is some sort of cross between MLK, FDR, and Che Guevara.

Are you guys trying to narrow his support to a fine point? I wouldn't be at all surprised.

95% of the electorate know little of FDR's brand of politics and how it might overlap with Sanders'. But, I guarantee you that very, very few people are interested in looping back 70 years to find an adequate comparison: depression, WWII, etc.

Anyway, good luck with that.

[AgingAmerican]

3. He is a Democrat in the mold of FDR

And Hillary's supporters cannot handle that fact.

[pinebox]

6. Nope they can't

and in the end, she has half assed ideas that help a small margin of people....ideas which don't go far enough. It's the whole dangle a carrot scenario.

Nope.

[Buzz Clik]

10. I could handle it if it were not pure bullshit.

Like this bullshit:

[zappaman]

19. Love that pic!

Hallelujah!

[pinebox]

22. Oh?

Do tell us what policy differs so greatly from FDR's Second Bill Of Rights that you're exactly having trouble with as it equates to Bernie's stances please?

You know who isn't channeling FDR? Hillary.

[Skidmore]

18. He's a much a Democrat as

Nader was. During the holiday, I read a post which flat out stated that his assumption of the party name as a label was a marriage of convenience.

[pinebox]

23. I know scary isn't it

That someone who hasn't always been a Demo has more of a traditional progressive stance than the leading candidate. I mean we need to put party over people, screw the people right! And Nader is completely relative in this thread.

[leftofcool]

4. You can add no rights for women and lynchings to that list.

[pinebox]

5. Yes because things like

Education and housing as basic rights are an awful thing. Right? Remind us how long we fought for health care and it still isn't complete. It seems everybody knew that.

So what's YOUR defense in defending a candidate who doesn't want things that will actually go far enough in helping everybody.
We'll wait.

[Buzz Clik]

11. "Education and housing as basic rights are an awful thing." Meh. As if FDR invented that...

and as if Bernie is the ONLY candidate who believes in it.

The HUGE problem with DU's Bernie Acolytes is they keep inventing shit to make him a saint and draw totally conjured distinctions between him and the rest of the universe.

[pinebox]

12. Right

can you show us where someone else said otherwise before FDR? Thank you.

The HUGE problem is that DU's Hillary supporters support a candidate who doesn't have all of America in mind.
Hillary fights Republicans.
Bernie fights for us.

I know, facts are a horrible thing. We invent shit? You're right, we support a candidate who INVENTS SOLUTIONS THAT SOLVE A PROBLEM!
Keep defending your no solution candidate.

[Buzz Clik]

15. More false comparisons. Why do you do this?

Oh, yeah -- because The Bern has such limited appeal that you need to invent his awesomeness.

Keep working at it.

As for this:

can you show us where someone else said otherwise before FDR?

Are you shitting me? This has been a key component of socialism for well over a century. Maybe the 1849 Constitution of the German Empire was the first to explicitly define education as a right, but there may have been others.

And speaking of education, why the hell is it that some people assign to others the task of tending to their ignorance?

[pinebox]

24. Bernie has limitd appeal?

Fascinating. Can you explain why he has Republicans voting for him? We're curious.

So now FDR ideas are socialist and you are suddenly slamming education? Are you sure you're on the correct site? I need to update my thread here and throw this one in for good measure.

[Buzz Clik]

25. Give it up. You taking every effort to drive a wedge, and your efforts are failing.

I am slamming education? Wrong -- I simply destroyed your argument and now you're pissed.

And I'd be very careful about suggesting "I'm at the wrong site". Or not -- I don't care.

[pinebox]

26. I'm pissed?

Do you want me to take a selfie of me laughing and emailing it to you? lol Who's mad? You seem rather angsty.
Ya we know you don't care and in the words of yourself---

And speaking of education, why the hell is it that some people assign to others the task of tending to their ignorance?

I think those people are called teachers. Derp.

"people assign to others the task of tending". Holy cow, if that doesn't sound like the RW slam against PE I don't know what does.

[ibegurpard]

8. Camp Weathervane actually trashes FDR

They have to in order to make Hillary look even remotely good. First answer to this thread in fact.

[pinebox]

9. Yup

That is quite true and it's also quite sad.

[Buzz Clik]

13. No. FDR is just fine. It's the stupid comparison that is getting trashed.

I really wonder who is next in the list of "Bernie is just like...." How about JFK? That worked out well for Dan Quayle!

Maybe Mother Teresa or Gandhi.

"Bernie is just like Zeus!"

[ibegurpard]

17. check out reply number 1

And it ain't the first time I've seen that particular argument.

[zappaman]

16. ok. n/t

[madokie]

20. No doubt that President Sanders is going to be a nice change

He'll win the general in one of the, if not the, largest landslides in American election history.
Mark my words

America is crying out for just the type of person he is, has been for a long time now.

[JaneyVee]

21. Not really. FDR courted big business to get his agenda through.

[Recursion]

27. Have you seen how the left of the 1930s treated FDR?

I think in a sense you're right: Sanders is like FDR in that the second he has any actual power and responsibility his fans are going to turn on him faster than Gaius Cassius did Caesar.

Here's Pete Seeger calling FDR a JP Morgan loving fascist warmonger: