Bernie Sanders vs Hillary Clinton: Higher Education

[Live and Learn]

Bernie Sanders vs Hillary Clinton: Higher Education

Hillary Clinton can’t find much to attack Bernie Sanders about, but if she can find something and make it stick, she will. In her most recent appearance, Clinton went after Bernie Sanders’s higher education plan, which she ridiculed. In a tweet to her followers recently, she noted that taxpayers should not be paying for Donald Trump’s children to go to college.

This, of course, is a sore spot for many. If tax payers must fund an education for everyone, it also includes the rich. However, this kind of logic doesn’t hold much water under scrutiny. After all, Donald Trump is a very wealthy man, and if he paid his fair share of taxes (as he would under Bernie Sanders) he would also contribute to the higher education tax plan.

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According to her campaign website, Clinton claims college costs won’t be a barrier, and her first bullet point claims community college students will receive free tuition. The next bullet point, however, directly contradicts this by pointing out the student will work 10 hours per week, the proceeds of which will go directly toward their tuition. The next bullet point advises that “families will do their part by making an affordable and realistic family contribution.”

There is nothing about using taxpayer or corporate income taxes to fund tuition; instead, Hillary Clinton puts the burden squarely on the student and the student’s family. Adding further insult to injury, Clinton’s plan does not calculate the use of Pell Grants in tuition costs. Instead, these grants will be used for living expenses.

Under Hillary Clinton’s plan, she will allow students to refinance their loans and cut interest rates. Bernie Sanders’s plan will also allow for refinancing current loans to lower interest rates to make paying back current debt easier.

By contrast, Bernie Sanders offers a plan that would permit students to attend college without having to pay for tuition or apply for grants. According to his website, Sanders’s plan would be fully paid for by taxing Wall Street speculators. He notes this is a similar tax to those imposed in many European countries that offer a tuition-free college education. Such countries include Germany, France, Switzerland, and even China.

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[hill2016]

1. lol

the numbers on a financial tax don't work to cover the full cost of free tuition. there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

[Live and Learn]

3. You find people unable to afford college funny? Wow! nt

[Scuba]

12. Source please.

[marym625]

2. K&R!

It's disgusting that class is being used to denigrate the best plan. And worse that the plan by Clinton is really nothing different. Where lines can, ad will be moved at the whim of politicians. Politicians elected with money from the banks that give loans.

Should we not allow rich kids to go to K through 12?

[Live and Learn]

4. I'm surprised she doesn't add that to her plan. Why should we pay for Trump's kids to attend

grade school? Means test it all!

[marym625]

16. Should be right up there at the top

Means test for kid to attend kindergarten. No way that could ever cause a problem.

[tecelote]

5. Trump's kids would never go to a public college.

Is Hillary going to require 10 hours of work a week for students? That would be another business giveaway, forced labor at minimum wage.

Hillary is focused on making sure Wall Street doesn't lose a lucrative and almost mandatory loan machine.

[aspirant]

6. Civil rights for all.

No lunch counters only for the rich, no bathrooms only for the rich, no schools only for the rich, no police forces only for the rich, no judiciary favoring only the rich, no water fountains and aquifers only for the rich, etc

One for all, all for one.

[Helen Borg]

7. How about...

Tuition that is proportional to income? Like taxes?

[daybranch]

9. First off, taxes are not proportional to income.

Higher earners in many many cases pay a much smaller portion of their income. Our tax system while intended to be progressive and tax earners at progressively higher rates as their income increased had been flattened and even inverted in many cases so often lower income people now pay higher proportions of their income than higher earners.
But let me pose a question, do you think the children of the working class with public education through high school and free public college will be on a level playing field with the children of the rich who go to private academies followed by expensive private Universities? Here in lies the rub, hjow do you level that playing field? Free college will help, but the vast difference is accumulated wealth that maintains the advantage of the rich to infinity, creating dynasties like the rich like the Bushes, the Hunts, the Heinzs, the Vanderbilts, and now the Gates etc. .So even if you give free education, you have not levelled the playing field for our sons and daughters. If you want to do this , you must address not just today's income but the accumulates income that was generated during those years and even many decades of income inequity. Since you seem to like to address things directly, I suspect you might favor a highly increased estate tax that strictly limits gifts to children during the lifetime of the parent. If we did this, then we could start to address the wealth accumulated by the greed of the 1 percent and use the money for the benefit of our education system, our infrastructire, our healthcare and saving our climate.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. How about extending that to K-12?

Lets get rid of this whole socialistic K-12 free education system! Are you with me?

[Helen Borg]

15. I see your point...

In any case, the cost would be bundled in with everybody's taxes, so it would be de facto this way.

[longship]

8. Ummm! Donald Trump's kids won't be going to public universities.

So there's that.

Nor will any other kids of the wealthy or politically powerful (which in the USA are too often equivalent -- BTW, why is that? Where is Mr. Smith Goes to Washington? He/she nearly does not exist.)

What percentage of the US Congress are millionaires? The answer to the US Senate is obvious -- nearly all of them, with few exceptions.

Serving the country should not be a fast track for wealth and influence. It is to serve for everybody. That is the big problem.

[daybranch]

10. Several years ago, I read a study regarding male leaders

Boys were studied as different points in their life, and the conclusion was the most identifying characteristics of a leader were that they lied well, and that they always let mistakes of fact work in their favor. While the study was about boys, it is becoming clear that Hillary is more than happy to let mistakes of fact work for her as when she says we should not send Trump's kids to school and as to whether she lies about other things, you can judge for yourself. Go Bernie-an honest man, your Mr. Smith.

[longship]

11. I would like to see a link to that study.

Plus, I do not believe your conclusions about it for a second.

I will likely vote for Bernie in the MI primary, but I will work for and vote for whichever Democrat gains the nomination.

So Hillary bashing does no good on me. Or, I might add, on the Democratic Party which, in case you have not observed, is the purpose of this site.

Silly arguments just do not influence me. Just as those of the GOP. We see far, far too many of both here.

I wish you the best.

[99Forever]

13. Choose a side.

We the People or the .01%.

There are no other options.

And we KNOW who's side each of the candidates are on.

I choose We the People.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. The only clarifying thing I'd add to this is the colleges - State colleges...

... fully funding State colleges.

There is a BIG contrast in the candidates. By contrast, Sanders is saying that it is the right of every young person - and every adult - to pursue an advanced education by ensuring that adequate funding is available for scholarships, college loans, and work study. This enables new funds to expand Head Start programs.

From Sanders... "If we provide funding for day care centers, we can guarantee a solid base of early education to every child while at the same time really supporting the hard-pressed American family. We can transform President (Bill) Clinton's embattled and experimental Teach for America program into a massive domestic Peace Corps that would transform every classroom in the nation."