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Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:20 AM Nov 2015

Martin O'Malley characterizes economic plans of his rivals.

In NH today, O'Malley said we shouldn't "scrap capitalism and replace it with socialism," nor should we ignore "crimes on Wall Street and take orders from Big Banks."

Is that a fair characterization of the respective plans of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton?

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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
1. Definetly not on Sanders. He's Red Baiting. I thought OM was better than that.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:22 AM
Nov 2015

He's either very unaware of political thought, cynically manipulative, or desperate or all three.

As for Clinton, well, I'll accept that stereotype he is throwing out.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
2. He said the same thing in the moveon.org forum recently.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:34 AM
Nov 2015


Too bad it wasn't in a debate where either Hillary or Bernie could rebut his assertions.
 

Crystalite

(164 posts)
3. That's a cheap shot, and wrong, about Sanders.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:51 AM
Nov 2015

We live in a hybrid socialist/capitalist system.

Sanders isn't promoting scrapping capitalism.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
9. neither is O'Malley
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:54 AM
Nov 2015

...he's defending his own populist economic appeal. Everything isn't about projecting around the Sanders campaign.

Besides, Sanders made his own cheap shot in the last debate lumping Clinton and O'Malley together while ranting about Wall Street. O'Malley didn't name anyone in his speech.

Should he stop criticizing Wall street to protect Hillary's sensibilities? Or, should he shy away from defining his own economic philosophy because it might reflect negatively on Sanders' political identification? He's not in this race to carry either of the two's murky water for them.

 

Crystalite

(164 posts)
15. I'm not saying Sanders' campaign is blameless, just that the socialist quip is...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:58 PM
Nov 2015

...is out of thin air if not directed toward Sanders.

Like, do we really have a concern about socialism in our country, as we dismantle one public program after the other?

I really like Mike and that seemed out of character.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
4. No, but in a brief answer he's distinguishing himself
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:30 AM
Nov 2015

from his rivals. I doubt he'll be anyone's running mate. He brings a lot of good to the democratic party, especially on criminal justice reform, in my opinion.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
8. sure, maybe
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:45 AM
Nov 2015

...but he's also defining himself.

It's as if critics of that line in his speech who are defending Sanders expect he should mold his message to suit Bernie's or Hillary's campaign. He has as much right to defend his own populist economic policy from charges of anti-capitalism as Sanders does; as much right, as you say to distinguish himself from the others.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
10. True enough bigtree.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:07 AM
Nov 2015

I don't see some awful negative with the words democratic socialism or socialist nor would the woman from moveon who he's addressing. As you say, O'Malley is defining himself as he's entitled to do.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. O'Malley is bad at bumper stickers
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:59 AM
Nov 2015

He doesn't do proposal by meme, and this is an example of why.

As an MOM fan, I think that was a bad answer, and I assume he's going to walk it back. I do still think his economic plan is parsecs ahead of the other two's, though.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
6. interesting that when Bernie says his economic philisophy isn't 'radical' supporters cheered
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:35 AM
Nov 2015

,,,Bernie had this practiced medley during the debate about: this or that proposal of his 'isn't radical'.

He also went on a rant about how, unlike his rivals, he wasn't beholden to 'Wall Street'.

Why is it fine for him to distinguish himself that way and not fine for O'Malley? Unlike Sanders, he didn't identify his remarks with anyone but himself.

Don't you think he'll need to (deserves to be able to) defend his own populist economics from the same charges from the right, of anti-capitalism, that Sanders is being subjected to?

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
7. I felt rather sad for Marty as I listened. He had to jab hard at Democrats, while
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:39 AM
Nov 2015

Hillary was ahead of game and thinking of the GE--knocks down her Republican rivals--the real opponents.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. He's in a tough spot, that's for sure.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:23 AM
Nov 2015

But if GHWB can land the VP slot after his "voodoo economics" jab at Reagan, maybe O'M hasn't crossed the line of being a persona non grata just yet.

marble falls

(57,099 posts)
13. Not if he's running for Vice-President. Bernie's never said "scrap capitalism" though Hillary is a..
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:18 AM
Nov 2015

crony of Wall Street and Big Banks - look at who her big donors are.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. I think it is the perfect angle for O'Malley to take.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015

It is a good place for him to position himself. Would have worked better if he were louder about it a couple of months ago. Heads up, he is quickly joining Clinton with scorn from Sanders supporters. lol.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
16. Yep
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:05 PM
Nov 2015
"Heads up, he is quickly joining Clinton with scorn from Sanders supporters. lol.'

I knew it was coming, sooner or later.
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