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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:24 PM Nov 2015

The biggest show on earth: Bernie Sanders could be the miracle America needs

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Sanders, who looks like everyone’s benign uncle, has been known as a democratic socialist for decades. In America, socialism used to be a damning label for a politician, but Americans are no longer as naïve as they used to be during the cold war. One survey conducted recently showed that forty nine percent of the voters, under the age of thirty, had positive views of socialism.

Bernie Sanders is a senator from Vermont — a small, fairly conservative state. It was a long and arduous struggle for him. He had run twice for senate and twice for governor and never got more than six per cent of the votes. His appetite for campaign, however, made him try again and again. He at last got elected as a mayor of Burlington in 1981, the first 39 year old, newly-elected mayor, who did not own a suit.

As a mayor, he did some sterling work like providing creative solutions for providing affordable houses including a community land trust that enabled low-income residents to buy homes. He resisted a developer’s plan to turn a derelict lake waterfront into a cluster of high rise building. Instead he made the entire area open to public. His ascent to the Senate in 2006 was stunning because he trounced a Republican candidate, one of the wealthiest men in the state of Vermont.

Since joining the Senate, Sanders has made a name for himself for gestures of defiance. His oration against tax cuts for the wealthy has since been published in a book form.
Corporations and multi-national networks come under heavy attack in Sanders’ addresses to the public. “America today” he declared recently, “is the wealthiest country in the history of the world. But most people don’t know that, most people don’t feel that, most people don’t see that because all of the wealth is in the hands of a tiny few. This grotesque level of income and inequality is immoral”.

http://tns.thenews.com.pk/bernie-sanders-biggest-show-earth/#.VlqEvUc76rU

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The biggest show on earth: Bernie Sanders could be the miracle America needs (Original Post) UglyGreed Nov 2015 OP
If Pakistan says so... brooklynite Nov 2015 #1
The rest of the world actually prefers Sanders. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #2
Do you have a link that shows the rest of the countries and its leaders prefer Sanders? leftofcool Nov 2015 #25
Way to put down an outstanding job by TNS to bring progressive ideas to Pakistan. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #6
Bravo! For TNS and the journalists struggling to enlighten so many. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #31
Funny that the author considers Vermont a "fairly conservative state" George II Nov 2015 #37
Vermont was solidly red until the 1980-ies. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #41
In 2014 Gallup found that Vermont is the most liberal state in the country... George II Nov 2015 #44
liberal as defined how? Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #45
I think the link to the Gallup site has the methodology behind the poll George II Nov 2015 #47
The method is self-identification. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #48
Go Bernie!!!!! Politicalboi Nov 2015 #3
Agreed! Nt newfie11 Nov 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Live and Learn Nov 2015 #4
Liberals in general don't believe in miracles. randome Nov 2015 #5
Some so called liberals don't even believe in trying. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #8
I am not looking for a miracle, just looking for Democrats to unite against the growing rhett o rick Nov 2015 #9
Hey, it was the OP who used the word 'miracle'. And I agree with you. randome Nov 2015 #11
Yes, we'll get there. I am not looking at the numbers because I don't want it to influence me. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #13
Yes. mahannah Nov 2015 #30
I love how randome speaks for me. Not roguevalley Nov 2015 #18
K&R nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #7
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #10
Only a "miracle" LWolf Nov 2015 #12
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #19
I love Bernie's brand of socialism. worker owned co-ops, community land trusts, et. al. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #14
Anything we achieve "left" of corporate rule will seem like a gain. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #20
Absolutely, these policies are the only way to try to preserve democracy and appalachiablue Nov 2015 #38
in response to comments on here hopemountain Nov 2015 #15
Kicked and recommended The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #16
knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #17
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #21
Life is full of miracles if we only see them. Bernie. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #22
Vermont is not a "fairly conservative" state oberliner Nov 2015 #24
Yeah, the only state where Obama did better in 2012 Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #27
+100 eom Karma13612 Nov 2015 #33
Vermont was solidly red until the 1980-ies. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #42
Yes, indeed oberliner Nov 2015 #46
Bernie's message is for the world. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #26
Please Gman Nov 2015 #28
FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK... I could go on Fearless Nov 2015 #35
Miracle??? honestly Gloria Nov 2015 #29
Yep Andy823 Nov 2015 #32
Well, if there was any doubt that there is a move deify Bernie Sheepshank Nov 2015 #34
+1 NurseJackie Nov 2015 #39
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #36
And Bush Allied Hillary Could Be The Nightmare billhicks76 Nov 2015 #40
Please don't put that idea into my head, shortly before I go to bed... n/t Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #43

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
2. The rest of the world actually prefers Sanders.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:36 PM
Nov 2015

That would go a long way to regaining our standing after all the shit wars we've started and continued.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
25. Do you have a link that shows the rest of the countries and its leaders prefer Sanders?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:50 PM
Nov 2015

Since there are so many countries in "the rest of the world" surely you have a link.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
6. Way to put down an outstanding job by TNS to bring progressive ideas to Pakistan.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:41 PM
Nov 2015

Shame on you.

When Beena Sarwar launched this weekly magazine in 1994 with her team, she laid the right foundations. Over the years The News on Sunday has emerged as a platform for dissenting voices and for challenging and questioning the status quo.

Then called The News on Friday (TNF), it had introduced many firsts to mainstream journalism in Pakistan. It did this not just by going in-depth into serious political issues, but also by recognising the significance of ‘fringe’ issues like art, culture and fashion as integral to the country’s socio-political realities. TNF always took these issues seriously, long before they became lucrative businesses — and therefore not to be scoffed at as frivolous pastimes — in their own right in Pakistan.

The readers today may recognise TNS for its liberal, progressive and secular leanings. They can’t be blamed for doing so. In a bid to help build a democratic, cultured, tolerant and aware society, it has sometimes followed the norms and at other times broken them; it has created boundaries and pushed them too.

In terms of specialisation, TNS has been a trailblazer be it literature, culture, travel, fashion or sports. Yet there are times it is criticised for not doing cookery or gardening or health or lifestyle. But it can only do as much and cannot claim to cover everything under the sun.

Meanwhile, it is constantly struggling to live up to the expectations and standards of excellence that it has set for itself, trying to wed them with a dash of creativity. For those who work here, TNS is a tough assignment.

http://tns.thenews.com.pk/about-us/

Oh yes and the author: Zia Mohyeddin
The author is the president and CEO of National Academy of Performing Arts (NAPA)


mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
31. Bravo! For TNS and the journalists struggling to enlighten so many.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:30 PM
Nov 2015

It's easy to understand their enthusiasm for Bernie Sanders.

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Funny that the author considers Vermont a "fairly conservative state"
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:20 PM
Nov 2015

That's where I stopped reading.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
41. Vermont was solidly red until the 1980-ies.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:38 PM
Nov 2015

In fact, it was one of two states that never went for Roosevelt (the other one is Maine).

So yeah: fairly conservative in a New England way.

And since the New England conservatives are now mostly independent voters and / or seeking shelter with the Democratic Party, Vermont is now solidly blue.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
45. liberal as defined how?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:58 PM
Nov 2015

Because if being liberal is defined as "in favour of common sense policies and in favour of necessary and morally compelling changes" then New England conservatives are a very liberal bunch these days.

If "liberal" is defined as "opposed to reactionary policies espoused by the majority of Wyomingans" then any kind of philosophic moderate is already included as a liberal by Gallup.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
48. The method is self-identification.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:33 AM
Dec 2015

So anyone who does not want to be associated with gay-hating, women-oppressing, bible-thumbing, constitution-trampling, rich-favouring, middle-class-eradicating, war-mongering idiocy is likely to describe themselves as liberal.

There is a good case for New England conservatives to self-identify as liberal.

Response to UglyGreed (Original post)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Liberals in general don't believe in miracles.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:40 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. I am not looking for a miracle, just looking for Democrats to unite against the growing
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:07 PM
Nov 2015

monster of corporate control. The longer we go the harder it will be to fight them.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Hey, it was the OP who used the word 'miracle'. And I agree with you.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:42 PM
Nov 2015

But the numbers are still firmly on Clinton's side. I don't see that changing. We'll get there. The GOP is on a long slide into irrelevance. It can't happen soon enough, of course.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. Yes, we'll get there. I am not looking at the numbers because I don't want it to influence me.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:56 PM
Nov 2015

I am going to fight harder than I ever have before. The 1% may be successful once again but we will maintain our momentum and get more progressives into Congress. As far as the GOP, IMO they are far from irrelevance. They are where they are, not by accident but by design. They preform a very useful function. The have been groomed to be the worst of evils. Our two party system has become one Conservative Democratic Party vs. a total disaster. Progressives have been disenfranchised.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
12. Only a "miracle"
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

in the sense that overcoming propaganda feels like it takes a miracle. It's definitely a David vs Goliath situation. Or, maybe even better, this, which takes not a miracle, but being smarter.



I thought it was a good article. It backs up the "miracle" claim by buying into that same propaganda.

Sanders’s message is particularly potent for young people who are struggling financially. They feel heartened by a politician who points out to them that as hard-working Americans “some things aren’t a privilege but right”.

It is not just the out of work youngsters or the blacks and Hispanics who find life to be unbearable because of poverty. Many lower middle class Americans who have had the advantage of a university education are feeling the pinch. There are white couples — husband and wife working full time — who own a home, work more than forty hours a week but can barely put oil in their heating tanks in the winter.
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
14. I love Bernie's brand of socialism. worker owned co-ops, community land trusts, et. al.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

economic democracy.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
38. Absolutely, these policies are the only way to try to preserve democracy and
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

stave off full on fascism. Destructive neoliberal, free market Reaganomics-Thatchernomics gotta go!
Amazing how in Europe the terms fascist and socialism are fairly common. The US is such a different country in that regard; but things are changing, whether it's fast enough is my concern.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
15. in response to comments on here
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:21 PM
Nov 2015

with regard to the use of the word "miracle". other cultures may use "miracle"as it pertains to their personal and cultural experience.

it is my experience many americans are jaded and insensitive when they interpret how people from other cultures may use and translate a descriptor such as the word "miracle" into english.

we could all use more sensitivity when understanding and interpreting what writers and speakers from other cultures may mean when using particular forms of speech translated into english. they could stand to humble themselves to learn and understand other cultures. period.

it is gross when the majority of us come from arrogance entitled superiority rather than making an effort to acknowledge we are not the only dwellers on this earth and we are far from superior to anyone.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Vermont is not a "fairly conservative" state
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:49 PM
Nov 2015

I am guessing this gentleman from Pakistan has never been there.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
27. Yeah, the only state where Obama did better in 2012
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:02 PM
Nov 2015

...is Hawaii, where he was born.

Hawaii 71%
Vermont 67%

Obama also got 91% in DC, which should be a state, but isn't.

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.VluQ6V42ffc

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
42. Vermont was solidly red until the 1980-ies.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:43 PM
Nov 2015

Never went for Roosevelt. Conservative in a New England way.

And since most New England conservatives have abandoned the GOP, it has turned into a no go area for Republicans.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
26. Bernie's message is for the world.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:54 PM
Nov 2015

Obama was a big improvement over George W. Bush.

But Obama got tripped up in Libya and Syria trying to clean up the GWB mess.

We shall see how Bernie does, but his message is for the world, not just for America.

The conservative backlash against FDR populism has worked for the oligarchs of the world and their corporations, but not for most of the rest of us.

It has meant war, war, war as the US exports weapons, weapons, weapons. What else do we manufacture that is cheap and plentiful and popular enough to export?

Gman

(24,780 posts)
28. Please
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:03 PM
Nov 2015

One single person is not, never has been and never will be a miracle for the country. To believe so will lead to nothing more than bitter disappointment and disillusionment. Get real.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
29. Miracle??? honestly
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:19 PM
Nov 2015

this is way over the top....really. He's a career politician, for goodness sake!

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
32. Yep
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:10 PM
Nov 2015

I can't wait for his followers to say he walked on water. I like Bernie, and I would vote for him if he were to be the nominee, no doubt about it, but sometimes there are posters here who really, really go to far in their opinion of him, and the ironic part is many of those followers were the ones who complained that anyone who supported president Obama were "authoritarians", "Obamabots", "blind followers", "worshipers", etc. Pretty ironic if you ask me.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
34. Well, if there was any doubt that there is a move deify Bernie
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 12:07 AM
Nov 2015

This thread should put that to rest.

What a ridiculous op.

The only miracle would be Bernie breaking 35% in the national polls

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