2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton’s campaign made a move that shows how far ahead of her rivals she is
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-latina-voters-2015-11
Hillary Clintons campaign made a move that shows how far ahead of her rivals she is
Maxwell Tani
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hillary clinton latinos REUTERS/Mike BlakeHillary Clinton directs a group picture with students and teachers after taking part in a roundtable of young Nevadans discussing immigration.
With less than a year to go until the general election, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton isn't wasting any time courting a small but influential group of voters: Latinas.
At Clinton's headquarters on the 11th floor of a high-rise in downtown Brooklyn on Monday, a small group of Latina supporters worked the phones.
Their mission: Invite Latinas in Colorado, a key swing state with a rising Hispanic population, to the former secretary of state's speech at a Colorado high school on Tuesday.
What's essentially a small effort with the temporary goal of filling a high school with supportive Latina voters is part of a larger strategy by the campaign. It hopes to woo a growing demographic that the Clinton campaign feels it can not only decisively win over in the primary and general elections, but will also help Clinton clinch key swing states in the general.
Last weekend, the campaign held a multiday strategy session aimed laying the groundwork for projects to increase turnout among Latina voters, who the campaign believes will identify with Clinton's platform........................
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The campaign is already working with an impressive and growing roster of high-profile local campaign surrogates. The list includes former Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, brothers Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro, and New York City Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito, who briefly hit the phones herself at Monday's phone bank in Brooklyn.
"I've been very amazed, particularly yesterday at the retreat, at the level of engagement that this campaign is doing bilingually, biculturally, really speaking to the issues that matter to us," Mark-Viverito said. ...............
cantbeserious
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Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Actually there's a post below that's an even worse riddle.
cantbeserious
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Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)It was just a badly worded question. There is nothing wrong with the 1%. It's bullshit posturing that all the wealthy are evil.
cantbeserious
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Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Or at least pick up a book of riddles and try and understand the difference between a riddle and a question.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)You mean the percent that is looting the nation?
Oh no, nothing wrong with them.
Jesus fucking Christ on a stick.
The same ignorant crap. Different day.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Lumping them all together is dishonest. I know, we all need a boogeyman, but MOST liberal icons were part of the "evil 1%". Just because you're rich, doesn't mean you're a dick (unless of course your name is Richard, then you could possibly go by Dick, but I'm not here to judge).
blackspade
(10,056 posts)The top 1% hold more income and wealth than 50% of the country and that share only increases.
They are the ones that gamble with the savings of the middle and working classes so that they can hold even more of the wealth.
When they start contributing to our society as a whole by spending that money or contributing to the social good via taxes or stop buying politicians that then rig the system in the wealthiest's favor then they will cease to be assholes.
But, if it makes you feel better to ignore reality.....
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)All members of the evil 1%. Bunch of poseur assholes. O.o
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...are working like hell to change the system. They're part of a very tiny minority in the one percent.
The problem is that the vast majority of one percenters have immense power over the lower 99 precent and are engaging in activities that exploit, use and make life worse for the middle class.
Lower wages. Disappearing benefits. Greed beyond belief.
Most CEO's have completely lost their way--taking huge salaries while fighting a minimum wage.
To argue that the one percent isn't bad--because the Kennedys are part of that one percent--is to be completely oblivious about income disparity and about the the majority of one percenters who have intentionally exploited workers, stagnated middle-class wages, and destroyed the middle class.
I'm ashamed that any Democrat would make such a lame argument.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)only sees in black and white, while the world has many different nuanced colors. Hillary Clinton is part of the 1%, yet she has fought for the poor and middle class most of her life. Now, one CAN cherry pick through and find an instance here or there, but the facts (and her votes) say differently. My point is that the 99% vs the 1% is a misguided argument. Us vs Them mentalities relies on black and white thinking. I like to see the world with more nuance.
Are there asshole 1%ers who would rip you off in a heartbeat? Sure. But there's also asshole middle class who would do EXACTLY the same. Let's deal with the assholes that caused this mess and not blame it on the entire group they belong to.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)"There is nothing wrong with the 1%."
lol Nope, not if they're your donors.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Merely having a lot of money doesn't inherently make one evil. Presuming it does is simplistic thinking that shows a very limited knowledge of history.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)onenote
(42,715 posts)we roll our eyes and mock him.
Why would anyone here make essentially the same claim about those who support one of Democratic candidates and think it would be received with anything different?
And, yes, there are supporter of both Bernie and Clinton that are guilty of this.
cantbeserious
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BootinUp
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kath
(10,565 posts)Too bad, so sad.
oasis
(49,390 posts)Helpful only if you take the time to read before posting.
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tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Said the person who is 35 years behind.
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Orrex
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Orrex
(63,216 posts)Also, why would anyone choose to stand with a member of the five percent?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)The 1% are ruining the world - not saving it.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Your question is silly and facile no matter how many times you repeat it.
Citizens might choose to stand with a member of the 1% for a host of reasons.
For instance, the one percenter might:
1. articulate a realistic vision for progress, rather than a laundry list of crowd-friendly but unlikely pie-in-the-sky brass rings.
2. have a decades long history of leadership and international respect, rather than representing the 2nd smallest constituency in the nation.
3. demonstrate a long history of easily weathering attacks by a hostile GOP, rather than never really having had to defend against such attacks.
4. speak to issues that resonate with the citizen, which hardly the exclusive purview of members of the top five percent.
5. seem like a credible candidate for office, rather than like a windmill-tilter with a rabid fanbase
6. be a Democrat known to the public for decades, rather than being an all-but-anonymous Independent from the nation's 2nd smallest constituency
7. simply stand a better chance of winning the election against a billion-dollar GOP attack machine, rather than running a campaign on a mac-n-cheese shoestring budget.
8. have supporters not so blinded by adoration that they recognize the need to win the office even if the favored candidate is unsuccessful, rather than declaring an intent not to vote for the one percenter.
9. have supporters who don't immediately launch personal attacks against anyone who isn't part of the club.
That's nine just off the top of my head. When you make your attempt to refute them, please offer your specific reasons why a citizen shouldn't want to stand with a member of the 1%, and tell us why a citizen should want to stand with a member of the 5%.
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riversedge
(70,244 posts)Orrex
(63,216 posts)You asked a question and I answered it nine times over, and you give a Bill O'Reilly non-answer when an equivalent question is asked of you.
What does Sanders think of the intellectual dishonesty of his supporters? Would he endorse such petty and childish tactics?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)msrizzo
(796 posts)However, it was an answer to the question. Perhaps the challenge should be to provide only answers that would satisfy you and in that case it would be pointless for anyone who supports Hillary Clinton to answer.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Your outlandish opinion regarding Hillary and her intent
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Bernie supporters are regularly attacked - even in THIS thread (see the hide above) - by Hill supporters.
The rest of your list is crap, too, but that one was disproven in this thread and easily debunked.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)As long as you vote Democrat in Nov 2016, I don't care what kind of "We're the real victims" fairy tales you tell yourself in the meantime
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)We might as well pare down the party, rid ourselves of all that useless trash that ISN'T named Clinton, and just let her do as she wants. She's our only hope against the magnificent, awesome Republicans! We have no hope, we're doomed without her! They're too powerful, their positions too good, their support too broad!
Orrex
(63,216 posts)At this stage of the game, tell us who can reasonably be expected to win the Democratic nomination and thereafter the general election? Sanders? Maybe, but he's still an incredible long shot.
You can hold your breath and fume about it, or you can accept that this is the world we live in and work with it.
I'm sorry that we don't all get to pick our Dream Candidate, but this is the way the process has worked for 200 years or more.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That's the argument you and other Clinton supporters are making when you declare your primary vote as based on "they can't win the general."
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Just about any living Democrat you can name is better than just about any livong Republican you can name, but it would be catastrophically naive to pretend that simply being "better" is enough to win the general election.
Please explain to me how you think Sanders can win in Nov 2016, when the numbers don't even suggest he can win the primary. And please, no wistful reminiscences about the 2007 primary season; I want a rational explanation and not some fantasy about a perfect storm sweeping him into office.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and with it small businesses, families, hearts, dreams, hopes and have NOT MADE ONE VOLUNTARY GESTURE TO MEND THOSE FAMILIES, HEARTS, DREAMS AND HOPES.
It is disgusting to me.
This is the Christmas season.
If Jesus were alive today, he would not be preaching against the tax collectors. He would be preaching against the hedge fund operators, the big bank crooks and the cruel debt collectors and not so much them as individuals as against the system run by lowly politicians and regulators that allowed and allows the system of indebtedness from student loans to mortgages to car loans to all the debt that people take upon themselves at the urging of the devils who run our financial sector. He would be preaching against Hillary's biggest donors.
It is hideous.
And now, we move into the Christmas season, the time of year when Hillary's donors and personal friends sell debt to Americans under the guise of the Christmas spirit.
Sorry guys, there is nothing Holy about buying Christmas gifts if you have to borrow the money to do it and pay interest of 26% after Christmas to pay for the darn junk.
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I saw what happened between 2005 and 2008. It was immoral. It was a scheme. I watched it unfold. I now see the damaged hearts and lives. Some of them are my friends and family.
Is Hillary blind to what happened? Did she not see that her friends, some of them, caused the downward spiral that many are still caught up in?
I want to make it clear that I am not complaining about my own situation. I saw what was happening and avoided the worst of it. I am talking about people I know and the pain they suffer -- lost homes, lost businesses, the feeling of guilt for losing out when THEY did nothing wrong. It was a scheme not over-exuberance. It was stupidity at the helm of our economy. Stupidity and a foolish, simplistic, misguided economic viewpoint.
Sorry fpr the emotional rant, but it is very frustrating to see Americans once again making a huge mistake.
Hillary is a huge mistake. She is not bright enough to see past the shiny objects and the dollar bills that her friends in the financial sector wave before her eyes. And her moral sense is not strong enough to be quietly outraged by what has happened.
Vote for Hillary if you want to keep the banks and their schemes in charge.
Feel the Bern!
cantbeserious
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SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Not that I think any time would be.
She is part of the problem.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)rwsanders
(2,606 posts)of that by trying to appear as if they are a reflection of what that group of voters wants.
But if they'd only dig a bit:
http://www.thenation.com/article/ben-carson-isnt-the-only-us-politician-with-a-hand-in-shady-latin-american-dealings/
(in a whisper) Go Bernie!
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Apparently Bernie and his supporters cannot figure it out.
cantbeserious
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Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And/or 63% of the Dem voters are completely insane. Heaven forbid that you should give them credit for,having come to a decision that doesn't include your precious Bernie?
Your incredulous assumption that Hillary supporters are dumb, ill Informed, naive or just plain stupid simply magnifies your tone deafness. You are not looking for an answer...you want an excuse to bash and lecture.
Crystalite
(164 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Turnaround in her campaign/life, whichever way the wind blows...Any opportunistic turn there is she will take it...
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Before she sends them back.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)better than out of touch old women.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Orrex
(63,216 posts)Sanders supporters LOVE to claim that he's a viable candidate because "Obama was the outsider and the long shot in 2007," blah blah blah. If your peers seriously want to compare 2007 to today, then you should be careful with your adoration of the Angry Old Guy. The Angry Old Guy got his ass handed to him in 07.
But hey, at least the Angry Old Guy made it to the general election in 2008.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)But you're the palmistry expert, I guess. Glad the hand police are here!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)He knew what he was doing. Nobody seems to know what Hillary is doing.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Glad to see you're on the case.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Why would any Latino voter support this?
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lunamagica
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lunamagica
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lunamagica
(9,967 posts)They themselves explain it beautifully
From Rep. Lewis:
"As our former Secretary of State, Senator from New York, and first Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton is the most qualified person to be President of the United States," said Congressman Lewis in a statement released Wednesday by the campaign.
"I know her heart. We need her leadership, not just here in America, but all over the world. She is tireless in her advocacy for those who have been left out and left behind. She is ready to be President on day one. Hillary Clinton has my wholehearted endorsement, and I plan to work and campaign for her to see that she is elected the next President of the United States."
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From Dolores Huerta:
Huerta reiterated her support for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, but the support is not solely based on gender. She explained, "[Clinton] is a strong woman. She has the experience [and] she's been connected with the Latina community for many decades even before she was the secretary of state or when she ran for the presidency the first time."
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Her past votes, some of them leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the maiming of our Constitution are what is important.
"I know her heart" is a meaningless platitude. Her yes vote on the IWR contributed to the deaths of innocent men, women, and children both domestic and foreign.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)You guy always talk about him as if he was a saint.
And I guess you overlooked the part where he talks about why she's the best quialified to be president.
"She is tireless in her advocacy for those who have been left out and left behind. ".
As for Ms Huerta, she cites the long history Hillary has with Hispanics.
Those are solid reasons.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)disqualifies her as POTUS material...
pinebox
(5,761 posts)From DOMA to the TPP......sorry, I want a tree that doesn't waver
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)But a poster likening Hillary to Eva Peron goes without comment? Seems like a double standard.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)"Hillary is like Eva Peron!" HA! :-D
My guess is that some things are worth criticizing, while others aren't. I'll leave it up to you to decide which is which.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Not sure I get where you're coming from.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Nice comeback, Nurse Jackie
NurseJackie
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(And what a wonderful photo of Hillary and the students!!)
riversedge
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(47,165 posts)cantbeserious
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Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Seriously, you're not just bordering on spamming the thread with your "riddle" but have gone beyond it.
cantbeserious
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The Blue Traveller
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(70,244 posts)MoonRiver
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(26,449 posts)riversedge
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floriduck
(2,262 posts)Hardheads.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)But then again, she's always been a leader and not a follower.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Following its long-term strategy.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Go Hillary!
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)It seems to me that you are hoping they don't come out to vote for Bernie. That just doesn't seem very democratic, small d, to me. You can show us polls and other snarky things, but, these are different times and we have not seen a champion of the people like Bernie since the 1920's. The millennials will come out to vote and they will come out for Bernie.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)She clearly stated that she was far more concerned about allowing Donald Trump's children getting a free college education than allowing such a benefit for anyone else's children - including latino children.
Soak that thought in, people.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I DON'T want to pay for Trump's children getting a free education!
I'm fully on board with working 10 hrs a week to pay back. What happened to giving back to the community? People are against it? Really?
AnarchoDeJesus
(9 posts)What makes you think people like Trump would ever send their kids to a free school?
lunamagica
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Agony
(2,605 posts)Civilization is not best designed around making sure that freeloaders don't get anything from the commons
That's REPUBLICAN/CONSERVATIVE "it's a black and white one dimensional world" boooll shit.
There is NO reason why ANY child should not get a free education (or health care, or ultimately, retirement security) as a right.
Human rights are human rights, even for rich fuckers.
Jesus, why is this even an issue...
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Or is it to much to ask of these kids?
Yes, I can't believe that DEMOCRATS have a problem with it
Agony
(2,605 posts)you and I probably already do that as privileged as we are
some people can not afford to spend 1/4 of their time to "repay" the commons.
I can not assume what someone else is able to contribute but I still will fight for their right to an education.
What if Trumps kids are gay and the fucker refuses to support an education for them
fuck em'?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)And if Trump won't support them, they can give their 10 hours, like the rest of them.
Agony
(2,605 posts)what were you talking about?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Deep roots there.
Si se puede, Hillary!
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Oh, wait, HRC is the Flop-Flop Canadidate, as in Flip-Flop on TPP.
How about this treatment of Hispanics from a 1993 article on trade-NAFTA:
http://articles.courant.com/1993-11-16/news/0000001951_1_nafta-congressional-hispanic-caucus-hispanic-community
20 Million jobs lost in Mexico, Canada and the US due to NAFTA:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)for the Hispanic community when Hillary was registering Hispanic voters in South Texas?
Sanders voted with Republicans against the 2006 Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act. 11 million + immigrants thought they were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Finally, they would be able to come out of the shadows, to fully integrate to society and live without fear. Sanders dashed those hopes. Hillary voted YEA.
Do you think those 11 million + will overlook this? They all have family and friends who are citizens. Who witnessed their pain up close.
No wonder activist Dolores Huerta endorsed Hillary.
No wonder he is polling so poorly among Hispanics.
Cha
(297,323 posts)Gracias, lunamagica!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)And, another KICK!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)riversedge
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SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Like her private, by invitation only, "listening /conversations" things. Gotta love that the story starts out with meeting on the 11th floor of her Brooklyn Heights campaign headquarters...how about her getting her behind out of the posh neighborhood and down into real Latino/Hispanic neighborhoods.
I love the one reply to the article:
"@Sad: Your belief that Latinos have "tons of kids" is many years out of date. Although 20 years ago Hispanic women did have a fertility rate of 3.0 children per women, it is now somewhere between 2.1 and 2.3. Whites, blacks and Asians are all below replacement level (2.1), so if anything this is a gift they are giving us."
p.s...why does that pic look Photo Shopped?
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I remember a fable about a rabbit thinking the same thing.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Shows me she knows she's losing the war on who can reach Millennials to me.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)The Hill
Cha
(297,323 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)But not ones from Honduras? She must not really like Latinos. She's only pretending to get our votes. No quiero la Hillary!
Cha
(297,323 posts)campaign surrogates. The list includes former Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, brothers Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro, and New York City Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito, who briefly hit the phones herself at Monday's phone bank in Brooklyn."
I love La Hillary's Campaign Surrogates!
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)It's not about crowds at speeches. It's about getting out the vote of key groups that can turn a state from red to blue.