Since Killer Mike Endorsed Bernie Sanders,

[MineralMan]

I ventured to a lyrics site to see what he's about in his hip-hop lyrics. Some of it's really political. Some of it's not.

I won't post any of those lyrics. If you want to see what his stuff is about, you can Google Killer Mike lyrics and read them for yourself. I found it an informative exercise. I'm not a hip-hop or rap fan, so I wasn't sure what to expect. Proceed with some caution if you're not familiar with that genre.

Trigger warning: Many of those lyrics include intense language and some apparently misogynistic concepts.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Anything nastier than the Hillary Cave? nt

[MineralMan]

2. You can decide for yourself, Manny.

I can't speak about the website you're referencing. I haven't been there. The only posts I've seen from there have been ones brought here. I'd say that yes, you might find things much "nastier" than that in his lyrics. But you can be the judge for yourself.

I wouldn't post any of them here. I'll leave it at that.

[MannyGoldstein]

39. Nastier than the Hillary Cave post claiming that Bernie's secretly paid off by Israel?

Isn't this the kind of lying that led to the Holocaust?

[PufPuf23]

71. That is despicable.

I would like to see Hillary Clinton's opinion on what is posted on that website.

The forum owner should request a message of sponsorship from Hillary Clinton's campaign to pin at the top of each forum.

[MannyGoldstein]

93. Isn't it interesting that the OP won't visit that site

or (to my knowledge) criticize that post... but needed to write that OP.

[PufPuf23]

100. Maybe as some say this is primary season at DU .....

I woke from a nap less than two hours ago and learned of Killer Mike.

Watched the video in Atlanta for Sanders and the Reagan music video -- I am now a KM fan.

I am not a fan of that website at all. There are no excuses.

Passive aggressive OP.

[MrMickeysMom]

137. I had an uncle who was passive aggressive, too Manny

It's an annoying byproduct wanting to make people "be curious.... be very curious..."

[99Forever]

151. It's interesting, but not at all surprising.

This amount of phoniness is SOP for some posters. Funny thing is, they actually think they are fooling people.

[Mnpaul]

135. Hillary should be doing more to reign in her supporters

this kind of stuff is driving off the well to do, Volvo driving males.

[Crystalite]

103. Nothing nastier than Hillary Supporter Snoop Dogg's lyrics to "Lay Low".

The OP is as guilty of bad behavior as whomever had their threads locked for posting Killer Mike's lyrics.

"Lay Low" lyrics are easy enough to find.

This shit is unreal, this attempt to smear a black man for supporting Sanders and attempt to smear Sanders himself.

[JTFrog]

116. Were they on the stage with Bernie?

Or Hillary?

Just curious.

[MannyGoldstein]

145. No; why do you ask?

[MADem]

3. Of the people who vote, regularly, I venture to say that only a very small percentage

have

a. Heard of Killer Mike

b. Know what he does for a living;

c. Own any of his music.

It's rather like getting an endorsement that nails down the 'coveted' Mark Anthony Turnage or John Luther Adams demographic (and I'll wager to say most people here don't know what the hell I am talking about unless and until they click the link).

No one is saying he's not talented at what he does, but they're not playing that shit in elevators or at the senior center. That's a tiny slice of the scene, and it could turn off as many people as it turns on, for the precise "trigger warning" reasons you noted.

[MineralMan]

6. Oh, I think you're right about that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. Random and disconnected thoughts ...

KM has about 200K insta-gram, and 170K Twitter followers, which isn't many where compared to other Rappers that have weighed in with endorsements.

Few of his followers who were not previously politically engaged will be affected by his endorsement ... In fact, I would guess those among his followers that are not politically engaged don't know or care about his endorsement ... they just want to hear his next joint, or find his next local tour date. (Just like most people that follow Rappers)

It amuses me that most of the people touting this endorsement as a game changer, had never heard of KM before his endorsement, and know less about the Hip-Hop community, than the do about the music, itself.

I've noticed a subtle shift in the narrative from "this is a game-changer because of who KM will reach" (ala, H. A. Goodman) to "this is a gamer-changer because who he is and what he represents" (ala, Shaun King).

Finally, I still can't shake my belief that had KM endorsed HRC (or O'Malley) and/or if he weren't Black; neither, he nor his endorsement, would be on DU's radar.

[MADem]

33. As an Old Fart who doesn't know a damn thing about the genre, thank you for that post!

I think if KM had endorsed Clinton, all those "naughty" lyrics that he wrote would be Front And Center, just like the awful lyrics of that idiot (sorry, I can't stand the dude) Kanye West were portentously dragged out and posted--IN THIS VERY THREAD--to show how 'baaaaaaaad' a 'famous' Clinton supporter is/was.



I'm betting that H. A. Goodman thought "Killer Mike" was Mike Tyson until he did some googling!!!

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. I'm rapidly approach Old Fartdom; but, have a daughter with a musical library ...

in the several, buncha thousand, and about 70% of it is Hip-Hop. Further, I, actually, like the genre ... from the gully stuff (I'm currently on a Future and Drake run) to the socially conscious stuff. Mostly, I listen for the beat and the word play ... Hip-Hop stands alone for those elements.

I, actually, like Kanye ... check out: Diamonds from Sierra Leone (Blood Diamond Remix)

If you can get past his "attitude.

[MADem]

120. I'll be the first to admit I am in the provinces when it comes to music!

I KNOW I'm not "with it," not even close -- but I am ok with that. Give me some classic Bob Marley, or let's go back to Toots and the Maytals, even! Old Ernie Smith still sounds good to me, too! I love old school Motown, I love BB King from his early years, and I can even enjoy some of the Big Band sounds as well as early fifties "rock and roll".... I am just "set in my ways!" And that's my "party" music. If I want to get mellow, I'm all in for Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald, Luciano Pavarotti, Kiri Te Kanawa, and the odd Kitaro album (on vinyl no less). I have a small collection of Persian music that I like as well (which some of my friends liken to "cats in heat!&quot .

I admire the hell out of you for making the effort and learning the players! I have actually heard the names "Future" and "Drake" but I gotta be honest ... in one ear, out the other! I confess I'm a total failure in this area, and am the one who gets the indulgent eye roll when I dare to ask!

[zappaman]

126. Gotta love Bob Marley!

[1StrongBlackMan]

130. My BabyGirl just got home for T Day ....

I'm listening to her playlist.

First song ... One love by Bob ... next song, Conquerer by Estelle, next song, Where were you by Future, next song some cut from the soundtrack of Sweeny Todd.

I think I done good molding her taste.

[MADem]

131. Isn't it a good feeling when they walk in the door?

I'm glad you have your darling girl home! Enjoy her playlist, and the day!!!

[1StrongBlackMan]

133. To be honest ...

She walks in the door and I tear up.

I want her to do hee thing/live her life but dammit, I miss kicking it with her.

[MADem]

134. I get it....I can relate!!! nt

[SidDithers]

155. Toots!...

I knew I liked you

Sid

[virtualobserver]

92. If KM had endorsed HRC.....we would be checking the URL to see if it was the Onion

KM and Shaun King are serious people....men of principle......I'll take their words over a selfie with Kim Kardashian any day, whether it is a game changer or not.

[1StrongBlackMan]

94. Perhaps ... Is John Lewis serious people ... a man of principle? n/t

[virtualobserver]

96. yes....I would happily take him over Kim Kardashian as well

[1StrongBlackMan]

104. How does he rank against KM?

[virtualobserver]

106. I wouldn't attempt to compare them......

It would not be constructive.

[1StrongBlackMan]

107. Fair enough. n/t

[delrem]

141. "had KM endorsed HRC..." heh!

That's funny.
Keep it coming.

[1StrongBlackMan]

149. Face it Killer Mike's relevance to DU is limited to his endorsement of Bernie ...

but more, the hope that it will change Bernie's numbers ... period.

If he was of no use to Bernie ... He would be a non-identity for DU.

[delrem]

150. You're projecting.

That's how YOU think.

I think it's a good thing he did, the way he did with the speech he made, and it made me aware of his music and views.

In all, the conjunction of events in this Dem primary is making me think - and that's a good thing. IMO. Maybe not in yours.

His politics is diametrically opposed to yours - very very bluntly so. You may dismiss him and his views as representative of a small minority, but all those advocating for change for the better tend to be minority voices, until they're not. It goes with the territory.

[1StrongBlackMan]

154. I'm not projecting a damn thing ...

Killer Mike was an unknown among the same 85+% of DUers supporting Bernie ... he does an endorsement and per DU:Bernie ... Bernie = Dr. MLK because Killer Mike said so.

I think it's a good thing he did, the way he did with the speech he made, and it made me aware of his music and views.

I agree ... Killer Mike feel strongly about Bernie and has endorsement him ... but that does not change the fact DU:Bernie would give a shit about Killer Mike; but for, his being Black and supporting Bernie.

His politics is diametrically opposed to yours - very very bluntly so.

No ... His method of accomplishing our mutually desire ends are different.

You may dismiss him and his views as representative of a small minority, but all those advocating for change for the better tend to be minority voices, until they're not. It goes with the territory.

No ... what I dismiss is the idea that Killer Mike's endorsement proves anything about the Black community or that it will have any effect (very little effect) on the Black electorate as a whole. Which, BTW, is not anywhere near dismissing his views.

[delrem]

160. I don't know how to discuss politics with you.

I didn't say that KM's endorsement proves something about the Black community, and I didn't say that it'll have some overwhelming effect on the Black electorate. That's your red-herring. Your avoidance.

I said that your suggestion that KM might endorse HRC was to laugh. And it is to laugh.

I didn't say that I knew of KM before this. In fact in other posts I've said to the contrary. But because of this now I have listened to his endorsement speech and a couple of his raps, and wow...
Chance of KM even considering endorsing HRC = 0.
Absolute 0.
In fact, I'm surprised he endorsed any Dem or any Rep, including Bernie Sanders. The fact that he did endorse Bernie made me listen closer to what he's saying and not go off like a half-cocked reactionary like I usually do.

The raps I listened to are incandescent.
I'll put it this way:
I'm white, Canadian, unaware unless my nose is pushed into it.
Bob Marley, MLK, have a "safe" way of expressing their message to my ears, and yes, my general agreement with that message (hey, I'm no rasta) goes little further than the weakest lip service because it's not my immediate world.
The KM raps I listened to were scary. The references to Malcolm X's statements and to immediate reality don't make for comfortable listening. In fact, as I said, scary.
I just listened to _Pressure_.
Nobody who wrote that would endorse Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Not even close. Way better chance of me switching over to her team and joining you in the disparagement of "economic justice", in whittling down the well-known and applauded demand for a $15/hr min wage to $12/hr, the dismissal of universal single-payer health care as a ridiculous pipe dream, the dismissal of universal guaranteed public college education as too costly, and etc. in EVERY PARTICULAR. And that won't ever happen.

And if *you* were aware of his poetry and music before this, you'd know that.
So I really do wonder what you're about, claiming some identity with KM's politics and goals, because nothing you've written to disparage the politics of economic justice over the past few months is consistent with that, and in fact as I said is contrary of that.

[SidDithers]

156. Google site results for "Killer Mike" at DU, for the 14 years prior to Nov 1, 2015...

19 results


Google site results for "Killer Mike" Since Nov 1, 2015

52 results.




Sid

[1StrongBlackMan]

167. And it would be more pointed if the search was the 14 years prior to May 2105 ...

Your search includes when Killer Mike first endorsed Bernie.

I suspect that if you modify the search, the results will be in the low single digits.

[pangaia]

110. "shit" ? Oh, that's really sweet.

I would much rather have the endorsement of rzewski, or pauline oliveros, or chris rouse, or earle brown, or toru takemitsu, or morton feldman, or, the list goes on and on....... than brittany spears.

Oh, BTW, I know or knew and have worked with all those people,.... oh yea, phil glass and john adams and john cage and terry riley and hal budd and lou soloff, and gary burton and. and... ah well,

You wanna drop those kinda names? I'm all in..

[MADem]

118. Well, aren't YOU cultured! You sure showed us!

My point in "dropping those names" (that I see wooshed right over your head) is that odds are good that, despite their plainly impressive bona fides, most people never heard of them. Like the overwhelming majority of Americans have never heard of "Killer Mike."

And....like most people never heard of the list you just dropped.

See, the thing is, when trying to get elected, you don't want to go for elites or niche groups, you want to go for those crappy (or should I say shitty?) masses that you apparently disdain...you know, the kind of people who will happily listen to "Brittney Spears."

Speaking of whom, I haven't heard who she's endorsing--maybe you can enlighten us? Or is that too low brow for you?

[pangaia]

119. This might sooth your passions a bit..

Beethoven String Quartet #15 in A Minor Op 132.. 3rd MVT - Molto Adagio

I am not sure who is playing this.. I could guess,, but won't. but it is one of the best I have ever heard.

And their intonation in the 'non vibrato' sections is superb. Very difficult.

[MADem]

121. I wonder who Beethoven would have endorsed....?

[pangaia]

152. That's not why I sent you that link.

[okasha]

117. d. Don't give a damn one way or the other.

[MADem]

123. Indeed! nt

[Fawke Em]

132. The point is to get people who have done A, B and/or C to get out and vote.

Sorry the point flew over your head.

[MADem]

166. The point did not escape me--what I am telling you (that flew over YOUR head) is that

motivating this demographic isn't going to move the needle for the candidate.

His universe of "fans" just isn't sufficient to translate into a percentage bump. You might not care to hear this, but "Killer Mike" is not the 21st Century equivalent of the Beatles.

Sorry you didn't get that the first time I offered it.

[valerief]

159. He might just get people who don't vote regularly to come out and vote. nt

[MADem]

165. A lot of those people aren't motivated to go through the registration process.

They think showing up at a rally is "just as good."

Dean had his Orange Hat crew. Didn't translate into votes for him, unfortunately.

[valerief]

168. Obama did it. nt

[MADem]

169. He didn't win primary voters decisively. He won super delegates.

If you're talking about popular votes, Obama didn't bring it. Add to that not all the votes were counted, and states were penalized (FL and MI, IIRC).

There was a reason that the 08 contest was acrimonious, and it wasn't just a simple tale of "bitter" women and "her turn" as some like to frame it. It was a sharply divided electorate.

We're fortunate the candidates were more mature than some of the voters.

And speaking of super delegates, if you think super delegates are going to desert Clinton, who has helped them get elected, who has contributed to their campaigns, who has extended her influence to help find them donors, for a guy who has ignored them for a quarter century in DC, and who has only JUST has agreed to fundraise with Debbie Wasserman Shultz and the DNC, I have a bridge for sale. Sanders has never reached out a hand to help a Democrat get elected. He has never served in the House or the Senate as a party administrative official, a whip, or anything of that nature. He's just never helped out. People remember who helps. And who doesn't.

At the time of Hillary Clinton's suspending her campaign early on June 7, 2008, the superdelegate count was 246½ for her, and 478 for Barack Obama, with 99 still uncommitted[1] of the 823½ total then existing.

Results_of_the_2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

[bobbobbins01]

4. I heard that Snoop likes Hillary.

"And if your bitches talk shit, I have ta' put the smack down"

OMG!!!! WHEN WILL HILLARY DENOUNCE THIS!!!

[MineralMan]

5. I can't say I've every seen any of that person's lyrics, either.

I'm not a hip-hop fan. Nor am I calling on anyone to denounce anything. I provided a Google search for those who are interested.

I doubt if many will check it out, really.

[bobbobbins01]

9. I think its pretty clear why you posted it.

But feel free to feign ignorance. It reminds me of when people started digging up Common lyrics because he was invited to the white house. Borderline racist.

[MADem]

10. Sounds to me like you're accusing MM of something. Why don't you be clear in your insinuations?

Borderline racist, you say? You sure you want to go there? What--and be specific--did he say that was "borderline racist?"

That is some ugly shit. You should be ashamed.

[bobbobbins01]

12. I should be? I didn't post the OP

This is Bill O'Reilly type shit. You should be ashamed of defending him. I didn't insinuate anything, this OP is one big insinuation.

[MADem]

14. You are accusing a DUer of being "borderline racist." That is an UGLY charge.

So, am I "borderline racist" (I would presume against white people because they're the only people I see playing that shit) if I don't care for "Heavy Metal" music? Hmmm?

Really. I need you to explain this to me. Since you're an expert, and all.

You don't think that age and experience could influence what kind of music people like? It's all about that "borderline racist" charge you flung out there?

You really ought to pull it back. That was just a nasty thing you said.

[bobbobbins01]

16. Ugly posts should be called ugly.

I don't need to explain it to you. You know exactly what the problem here is, and if you don't, go ahead and google "oreilly common" to see what the problem is. This post is borderline racist. Go ahead and call all your alert stalker buddies, but when someone posts some race baiting bullshit, they need to be called out on it.

[MADem]

22. Nope--I don't know what the problem is here. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it's with you.

You are lobbing an ugly, nasty, UNSUBSTANTIATED charge against an older man for "not liking" music by some guy no one has heard of save a small sub-set of rap fans by the name of "Killer Mike."

What's borderline ageist--and racist--is your post. You should retract.

Let's save this piece of filth for history--so we know how bobbobbins01, full of accusations, false charges, and incivility on steroids, rolls:

bobbobbins01
16. Ugly posts should be called ugly.
View profile
I don't need to explain it to you. You know exactly what the problem here is, and if you don't, go ahead and google "oreilly common" to see what the problem is. This post is borderline racist. Go ahead and call all your alert stalker buddies, but when someone posts some race baiting bullshit, they need to be called out on it.

Psst--I got bad news for you--I don't know who that COMMON guy is either. I don't listen to that
kids' club music. I like blues, jazz and Motown. Oh, and classical. So shoot me!

I find it astounding how, in your insular little mind, you translate a dislike for a genre into some sort of weird racist charge. That is just disordered--and apparently I DO need to explain that to you.

That is just some ugly, nasty shit and you said it, so you own it. Ugly posts should be called ugly--and the ugliness in this thread is all coming from you.

[bobbobbins01]

27. I will not retract. I am in the right.

I don't care what music anyone likes, nor did I say this was about that. This is a racist right wing tactic that has been used over and over. I'm done talking to you, I can't deal with ignorance, feigned or otherwise.

[MADem]

44. No, you are not in the right. You are dead WRONG. If you truly 'don't care what music anyone

likes' then pray tell why are you shitting on an older man, in an AGEIST fashion, for not being thrilled with a guy with a teeny, tiny fraction of the twitter followers of a John Legend or a Justin Beiber, hmmm? This Killer guy you are whining about is not a game changer, he's one lousy endorsement. He won't move the needle, no matter how much you run around trying to call people racists and pretend this unheard of guy matters.

You've failed at that attempt to denigrate the thread starter. You need to step off and step back. Of course you're "done" talking to me, because you never had anything valid to say in the first place--and anyone reading this thread can see exactly what you said, how you said it, and how nasty your accusations are.

At least now we see you coming. We got your MO down.

[BlueCaliDem]

127. Righteous, MADem!

[Bonobo]

171. You PC, bro?

[MADem]

172. As opposed to Apple? Or "Incorrect?"

I'm not familiar with that particular SOUTH PARK reference.

I have seen the program on occasion, I just haven't seen that particular episode.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. This is getting insane ...

In a sub-thread where outrage is expressed about a misogynistic phrase from one Black Rapper ... posting a link to a second Black Rapper is "borderline racist"?

DU is cra cra!

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. Notice the site you are linking to. ...

DU probably would be better serviced if we did not seek to borrow from their play book.

[bobbobbins01]

43. Yes, thank you for supporting my point

We should not be spouting this kind of nonsense.

[MADem]

47. No--the point was, you're linking to a web site run by a bunch of right wing racists.

It is obvious you are miles out of your depth.

[bobbobbins01]

51. Yeah, I'm likening it to the OP

As you said yourself...its run by racists...thanks for further proving my point.

[MADem]

54. No you aren't--you were so anxious for a put-down, you didn't check your source and you got caught.

You're stuck now, with your stink source, and you're trying to dance around it and fake like you did it on purpose--but there's no excuse for linking to that shithole, so you're pretty well screwed.

The point you're proving, and we can all see it, is that you will use racist sources to win a bogus argument.

You accuse people, falsely--like you did in this thread--of racism, while using racist sources.

Democrats don't read those sites, or link to them.

Seems like all is becoming clear!

[bobbobbins01]

58. What would my link have proved?

The headline of the link calls Common's lyrics misogynistic...its in the same spirit as the OP. I said it was a right wing talking point, and I posted the right wing doing just as I claimed. How can you not get that?

[MADem]

64. Why are you using right wing sources to make these weird "points" that come from your head?

Why are you running around this thread calling people racists?

You need to just back down and apologize. What you're doing is ugly, baiting, and nasty and OBVIOUS.

If I don't like country music does that make me racist? Hmmm? Charlie Pride has been out of the game for a long time, and that's a pretty white crowd in that genre.

So, am I a "racist" if I say I don't like country music and find the lyrics sappy and simplistic, sexist and stereotypical, and the tunes all sound the same to me?

You are just WAY off base in your "interpretation" of this OP, and I am not the only one who has told you this. You owe MM an apology.

[bobbobbins01]

65. Ugh. really??

The post is racist, i claimed it was a right wing talking point...and I posted a link to a right wing racist site to prove it. How could you possibly misunderstand that? Maybe its just that season.

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. Wait! What is racist about MM (or anyone) posting a link to KM's music ...

even when it notes that some of his lyrics are misogynistic?

Is it less misogynistic because he supports a candidate that you support?

Is it less misogynistic because someone that supports a candidate that you don't support, also, wrote some vile crap?

Would it be racist to point out that someone supporting a candidate that you don't support, wrote some vile crap?

This is getting dizzying.

[bobbobbins01]

73. See the link...read the op...compare, contrast...

Its a racist talking point used by right wingers...that is all.

[1StrongBlackMan]

86. Why don't you just tell me why posting KM's lyrics (or a link to them) is racist. n/t

[MADem]

125. That's not what you did, and it's quite obvious that that's not what you did. nt

[riversedge]

77. Then take your vile RW link down-(you yourself just said not to spout that nonsense)

[bobbobbins01]

80. Yes, the link is vile...I agree.

When will you denounce the OP in the same manner?

[riversedge]

83. Ha ha. Now you are equating the OP with a vile RW site!!! Silly nonsence and I am being polite.

"When will you denounce the OP in the same manner?"

[bobbobbins01]

85. Not the site, just the article written by the site.

Both even threw misogyny in there. Maybe he cribbed that site for notes before writing this.

[riversedge]

88. Take the link down. It should not be on a Democratic board.

[bobbobbins01]

91. Its to provide contrast. It is in the same vein as the OP

If its not appropriate I'm sure it will be voted down. Its been alerted on already I'm sure.

[riversedge]

98. Only in your biased mind. That you are letting the link stand is shameful

[bobbobbins01]

99. I'm proud to hold a mirror up.

If you can't stand to look into it, that is your problem.

[leftofcool]

162. Oh for pity's sake!

I don't like Killer Mike. I don't like his style of rap and I don't like his lyrics. I like Bob Marley though. Is that okay with you? Jesus fucking Christ on a crutch!

[MADem]

46. Jesus--the BLAZE....!!!!!!

I suppose it's better than Hoods and Sheets Monthly...but only just!

[MADem]

48. +1,000,000! nt

[Sheepshank]

20. I don't see anywhere where Hillary or her supporters have put Snoop front and center

the way Killer Mike has been on DU thread, after thread, after thread........it's quite telling isn't it?

[bobbobbins01]

29. It is very telling. She'd hate people to think she supports legalizing marijuana.

She wants to study it....

[Sheepshank]

34. goal posts moved....unsuccessfully n't

[riversedge]

109. yes, squished that moble post. First time I have seen a purpose

for that swatter. Usually I just find it annoying

[Iliyah]

128. Yes, rap artist endorse HRC BAD

rap artist endorse BS wonderful and he wins the POC.

[TM99]

40. If you do a little search

you actually find quite a few posts about the Kardashians support and Kanye hanging with Clinton at an LA fundraiser.

And 167 posts on the Snoop Dogg thread about his support of Clinton shows yet again the hypocrisy and twisting of reality.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026699702

[Sheepshank]

53. Kanye West is a fool and an idiot IMHO

I don't vote for anyone based on Kanye West's opinions. Kanye has not, as far as I've seen proposed the idiocy that any politician is=to MLK, has has several threads honoring Killer Mike.

I have yet to see anyone denounce Killer Mike (from the Bernie side). There have been numerous people denigrade Kanye, especially after his announcement of running for POTUS in the future. Good gawd, you are stretching on this one.

[TM99]

56. Not stretching in the least.

Clinton supporters are all over Killer Mike from his endorsement to his lyrics. Some are making racist comments and others are just being snarky.

Y'all simply have no room to talk.

[Sheepshank]

78. I haven't read any of his lyrics

...but add this new thread to the existing 5-7 other threads... http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251849765

and you still think that the veneration of Killer Mike is the same as has been done to Kanye?...yeah definite stretch.

Killer Mike is just not that important. Trying to put him up on a pedestal, as so many on DU are trying to do, is just ridiculous.

[TM99]

102. Individual threads in three distinct forums

and then the rest are all from Clinton supporters mocking, deriding, and flinging poo.

So when we respond to the majority of those, now we are being ridiculous and putting him on a pedestal?

I like his music and his politics. I appreciate his endorsement and support of Sanders. That is all.

[merrily]

89. Please see also Reply 87.

[aidbo]

15. "I ain't sayin' she's a gold-digger.."

[MADem]

18. Kanye West is a fucking idiot.

He's a no-talent blowhard. His wife is an expert at self-promotion and not much else--and she's the more talented of the pair.

I don't have to "like" him or his ego or his shitty music or his lousy "fashions" just because he happens to support the same presidential candidate I like.

WTF is this shit even about, here? If you don't like some idiot named "Killer Mike" who is a small-f famous rapper then you're "borderline racist?" And these are white people making the accusations...? Talk about struggling to make shit stick!

smh!

[darkangel218]

19. OPs post is very offending to all the DUrs who like rap music

or any other kind of music with controversial lyrics. OP should delete.

Star Member MineralMan (78,015 posts)

8. I'm not a metal fan, either.

Lyrics are part of vocal music. They impart meaning to the music. They reflect the vocal artist or songwriter's point of view.

[...]

[MADem]

25. I guess anyone on the Bernie Brigade who doesn't like RAP

is Under The Bernie Bus, Now?


That's what you're trying to say? You're gonna start holding people to a Musical Purity Test, on top of everything else?

Yeah, that's a winning strategy....!

[darkangel218]

31. This is not about "liking rap"! I personally do not like rap!

But I don't make OPs about how awful rap lyrics are or how the lyrics " reflect the vocal artist or songwriter's point of view" !

OP is the one "holding people to a Musical Purity Test", not me!

[MADem]

59. You'd better get under the Bernie bus, then, according to one poster in this thread, then.

I think most artists speak from their POV--and "POV" should not be confused with "personal experience." A POV can come from one's imagination, one's thoughts, one's familiarity with the experiences of another.... but unless someone is plagiarizing, they are emoting from their POV.

[darkangel218]

111. .

[Sheepshank]

24. I agree

and for that very reason would not presume to promote Kanye in numerous threads as some icon that others should look up, to or listen to his ramblings as if there is any substance.

BUT, I'm told Killer Mike is awesome and has this Bernie=MLK link going on and I must not only listen but believe...fuck that shit.

[Romulox]

38. Kanye West is super talented. Posters who don't know music should keep their comments to themselves

[MADem]

52. You should take that advice you are giving out, then!

He's a super-talented con artist! He could sell ice cubes in the Arctic, I'm sure!

[mythology]

161. Kanye West is talented at getting people to give him money

but as a singer, he is just awful.

If you'd like an example, go watch his horrid attempt at singing Bohemian Rhapsody.

[Romulox]

173. He's primarily a PRODUCER and a RAPPER. But you knew that, I'm sure. nt

[Sheepshank]

21. see post #20

[TM99]

26. I have whoever made that post on ignore.

I am sure it is irrelevant to my point about the hypocrisy.

[Sheepshank]

32. it's my post responding to a Bernie supporter....what ev'

[TM99]

35. Oops, my bad, I didn't have my

reading glasses on.

[darkangel218]

7. I'm not a fan of hip hop or rap either, however,

I love metal. And some of the black/death metal lyrics are probably just as bad if not a lot worse. Music is just MUSIC! It is a form of art/entertainment! Nothing more and nothing less. Just because we listen to a specific type of music, it doesn't mean we are bad people. Its just like watching a horror movie. No one claims horror movie fans are serial killers (for example)

Your attempt to smear Sander's supporters is not working. But keep trying, you never know what sticks.

[MineralMan]

8. I'm not a metal fan, either.

Lyrics are part of vocal music. They impart meaning to the music. They reflect the vocal artist or songwriter's point of view.

That's why I'm not a metal or hip-hop fan. I can hear the lyrics. If I don't like them, I'm not going to hear them again.

It's a choice.

[darkangel218]

11. "They reflect the vocal artist or songwriter's point of view. "

Are you even serious right now?? You couldn't be more wrong! So horror script writers and producers art reflects their point of view??? Same goes for all art/music! you say that someone's artistic creations reflects who they are as a person??

WTF!

[arcane1]

45. Someone needs to arrest Stephen King, immediately! n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

61. I like opera.

Many opera librettos are sexist (e.g., Cosi fan Tutte, one of Mozart's best) or violent. There is infanticide (Il Trovatore), incest (Siegfried), adultery and murder (Rigoletto), fornication (La bohème), shootings (Tosca), child abuse (Hansel and Gretel), poisoning (Simon Boccanegra), sexuality, nudity and murder (Salome), and so forth. Why is rap and hip-hop being singled out for the same kinds of things? Liking opera doesn't mean I approve of sexism, infanticide, incest, murder or all that other bad stuff. I just like the music. The endorsement of Bernie Sanders by a rapper whose songs may contain some sexist or violent reference doesn't mean Killer Mike (or Bernie Sanders) is a violent sexist any more than the infanticide in Il Trovatore meant Verdi murdered or approved of murdering babies. The fact that I like opera does not mean I approve of such things, either. If any of the candidates mentioned being an opera fan would they be accused of approving of violent or sexist music? Or is it just music with violent or sexist references in a black idiom that is suspect?

For the OP to suggest any such thing (and I don't know how else it can be interpreted) is disingenuous, to say the least.

[Agnosticsherbet]

17. Haven't listened to the Genre since Funky Cold Medina. 1989

I assume he has appeal to the black youth demographic specifically, and youth in general. I have no way of guessing how that affects the black vote. It falls in line with the repeated refrain that a youth revolution will be the basis of a Sanders victory.

The problem with that is the difficulty of measuring a youth revolt.

[99Forever]

28. What is this magical Google machine you speak of?

[Romulox]

36. I usually look to MineralMan for hot musical trends. nt

[MADem]

122. I don't, but then again, I don't equate "hot musical trend endorsers" with

"political success at the ballot box" either.

I will bet MM doesn't, either, though I can't speak for him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Killer Mike is okay...

A lot of rap is misognynistic and some of it is homophobic but it is getting better...I think rappers are aware of it and want to do better but they are responding to market demands...

These celeb endorsements are fun but I suspect the efficacy of them are limited.


I liked Public Enemy...They scrupulously avoided mentions of hos and b-----s and rapped about empowering black women and their music was largely political...

I even got to see them at JJ Whispers nightclub in Winter Park, FL in 1990.

[1StrongBlackMan]

66. This is true ...

If you listen to everyone from Nas to Kanye to Jay Z, "It's a business, mannn!" They are putting out the stuff that the labels will push ... but as they succeed, in terms of getting dollars (and independence), their music shifts to being less misogynistic/homophobic, to being more socially/politically conscious.

I follow Hip-Hop with a passion (thanks to BabyGirl). I have such a wide taste for the genre from the gully (I'm on a Future and Drake run right now) to the socially/politically conscious (check out Blood Diamonds by Kanye) ... I like it all.

As I've said, repeatedly ... this KM thing is garbage. If he weren't Black AND a Bernie supporter, we wouldn't even be discussing him! And I see it no different from the gop trotting out Armstrong Williams to give a smell of non-racist validity to their racist crap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. I would be lying if I said I was up to date on rap...

Ditto for all genres...

As I said repeatedly I am an old head and was into P E , NWA. Digital Underground, Snoop, and Em.


Also, some Salt-N-Pepa.

[Lilith Rising]

72. I've always liked PE for exactly those same reasons.

In fact I have Fear of a Black Planet in my car this week.

[Jamaal510]

49. I'm a rap head (as well as other genres),

but even I haven't heard of KM until just a few months ago. Then again, I don't listen to much new rap these days unless it's underground. He was supposed to speak here at Humboldt State about a month or so ago, but it was cancelled at the last minute for some reason.

[Romulox]

50. You aren't much of a head if you haven't heard RTJ. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

55. Citing the lyrics of any pop performer or poet as if they were a deposition or manifesto is very

much a Republican habit. Hillary, for what it's worth, has at this point the bulk of the rap/hip hop endorsements and other celebrities for that matter. Many endorsing her make Mike look shy and bookish, lyrical and wordy.
I recall when Ice-T went on Bill O'Reilly's show to try to explain why his 'Cop Killer' was not an endorsement of killing cops nor a statement of his own point of view. He really had to belabor the point but I guess it really still challenges some people, who must assume Tarantino to be a criminal and Steven King to keep the company of demons.

[MADem]

67. The OP didn't cite anything. He said he looked at the stuff and

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formulated an opinion, and you could do the same if you had a mind.

EDIT--can't believe someone serving on a DU jury actually thought that "had a mind" phrase meant something other than "had motivation to so do" but juries are funny things. I guess I'll have to really address the lowest common denominator from here on out.....

He didn't tell you what to think.

[Bluenorthwest]

79. Suggesting that I don't have a mind is rude and uncalled for. I don't have to look Mike up, I know

who he is. In this context, which is political, I would look to his political speech and media appearances and not to his poetic works. But then again, I know who he is.
You failed to actually address what I said. The OP certainly did hold the lyrics up as testimony. He did not quote them, no. But that's very beside the point of what he is doing here.
I remember some Republican going after Jim Webb by reading passages from his novel as if they were his personal manifesto. This is the same tactic, without merit then and now.

And while we are at it, I never, ever said the OP told anyone what to think. What I did was say what I think, and that set you off like a rocket, putting words in my mouth and hurling insults. But still, not any actual reasoned response to what I said.

[treestar]

97. soo typical

jump on that phrase to be the victim. But we all know it also means "If I had a mind to" that is, if I chose.

[MADem]

124. No one suggested you don't 'have' a mind, and that is a bridge much too far to

take that very common expression that way. You are SEEKING to be offended.

I didn't "fail to address" what you said. I just think your argument has no merit and you are torturing the construct -- and that's putting it as kindly as I can manage, so you don't alert on me again--you know, if I "had a mind," (it's a phrase that most adults understand means "had motivation to so do&quot I'd return the favor, but that would be a petty, retaliatory thing for me to do, and I can't be bothered, so you're safe from me.

Jim Webb wrote some pervy shit. The way people write, and what they write about, is a window into their thought process, their imaginings, their experiences, and the experiences of those around them. Too bad if you don't like that but that's how it is.

He's not the only public figure whose writings have been--and will be, in future--held up to close scrutiny and criticism. Sanders has a fairly large library of writings that could be a problem in this regard, but no one wants to mention it here because, really, what's the point? Oh, and any time anyone links to it, someone hits the alert button and we know which faction rules around here. Only a small percentage of his early scribblings are online, but what is out there to this point doesn't help him at all. For example, he held "psychological" views on cervical cancer that were (polite edit) curious in the extreme and are available for anyone to read with a short google.

And look at you, characterizing me ("set you off like a rocket" eh? Trying to hurt my feefees, as the kids say?)

Yet you're the one crying about "hurling insults?" I'd say whoever smelt it, dealt it (as the kids also say).

[Bluenorthwest]

146. Well you edited your comments but the original was full of bull.

You-"He didn't tell you what to think. "
This is not a claim I made, it is something you put into my mouth so you could argue with it. When called out for doing so, you edited your post and launched this version. Now with emoticons!!

I said what I meant, to the OP and I stand by what I said. I have no need to edit my posts. I don't need to use backhanded insults and then edit them away and play coy.

[MADem]

147. I only added to my comments--I didn't change anything I wrote. Unbelievable!

The edit I made after you hit the alert button and didn't get a HIDE is identified and very clear, too. Anyone can check and see the changes if they're unsure, also.

Nothing is secret on DU3, so stop acting like it is.

The fact that you are trying to falsely insinuate that I edited in a nefarious or surreptitious fashion is NOTED. It says a LOT about you, none of it noteworthy.

Still can't believe you did that, though, and tried to sell an oft-used phrase as something else, entirely, in a rather spiteful way, too (on Thanksgiving, no less)... now that I know where you're coming from, I'll give you a very wide berth. I don't think you've acquitted yourself very well in this exchange, frankly.

Here, just in case you're genuinely UNCLEAR (and I don't think you are) how to use that common phrase in a sentence, let me give you an example:

I'd tell you what I really thought of you, if I had a mind--but you'd probably alert on that, too.

Quite obviously, that phrase means "If I had the inclination" -- and you know it.


smh!

[Admiral Loinpresser]

57. You mean like this one?

[Mnpaul]

138. Impressive

Not a fan of rap but political commentary like that goes far beyond what you see in most modern music. Very good graphics as well. I only wish more people were calling out that jackass for what he did to this country.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Trigger warning? Where's my fainting couch, Blanche!

You sound like the right wing pundits on Fox.

[bobbobbins01]

63. Thank you...

I posted a link to the blaze saying this exact same thing when Common was invited to the white house. Take a look at how they misinterpreted it. I'm at a complete loss.

[beam me up scottie]

69. Killer Mike endorsed Bernie so of course they're going to smear him.

Is anyone surprised?

[leftofcool]

163. Hey, some of us just don't care for his lyrics.

But if you do, I'm good with that.

[beam me up scottie]

164. Sure, that's what it is.

That's why there are all the ops and posts from you folks complaining about the lyrics of Jay-z and Snoop Dogg.

[Kalidurga]

143. I can't imagine why

most free thinking people support the rights of victims. Unless, they are republicons who post snark.

[beam me up scottie]

144. I've heard right wingers go on and on about rap "culture" like that.

And I've seen a little of that kind of thing on DU, just not in this forum.

I judge Mike by his actual words and deeds, not his lyrics.

His speech the other day impressed me, imo the man is not any of the things he's accused of being here.

Someone even called him an "anti-Catholic bigot".

[mwrguy]

62. Misogynist as hell

Baby mama say he been selfish, he like "so ho?"
Then he picked up the cell phone called his old ho
She took him to the airport, hit him with some bread
Parked in the deck, then hit him with some head

Triple shot of Seagram's in JoJo's cup
A little too much he felt the stewardess up
She said "Stop, sir!", he looks like "What?"
Gave a big tip then he headed to the bathroom

Good thing the stewardess a cokehead ho
Cause they bumrushed the bitch
And threw her ass to the flo'

[NCTraveler]

74. It really is a genre wrought with extreme sexist language and worse.

But the genre also has tons of talented artists that don't venture into that territory. Really good stuff.

Additionally, at 15 to about 30 years of age I was listening to NWA. NWA had a way with putting very serious issues in short, understandable and very vivid phrases. But EZE and many others in the band were about as sexist as they come, and worse. It's still who I listened to.

That is really the age group this is directed at. That's why I say it really is a solid endorsement.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. He's not the first rapper or musical artist to objectify women

Am I a bad guy for really digging this song?

[DesertRat]

101. that's true

But in Jagger and Richard's defense, that song was written 50 years ago.

[merrily]

115. Yes, but our fellow DUer likes it today.

[merrily]

114. IMO, it's not qreat sign. Under my thumb, a pet, etc. Not cool.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

81. Just about every opera every written is violent and/or sexist.

(See my post at #61) Does being an opera fan, as I am, mean I endorse sexism and violence? Or is violent or sexist music a "problem" only when it's in a black idiom (or when the black artist endorses an opposing candidate)?

[jeff47]

82. The kids with their terrible music!!! And they won't get off my lawn!!!! (nt)

[Truprogressive85]

84. As a hip hop fan What was the purpose of this

You stated your not hiphop/rap fan which is fine you are allowed to like the music that fits your taste(generational thing)

But than you dive into his lyrics for informative exercise ?
Have you done this with other rappers like those who endorsed HRC

[Rosa Luxemburg]

108. I like hip hop

[merrily]

87. Are you sure you ventured to the lyrics site since the endorsement, or only since a nasty OP about

said lyrics that was considerably less circumspect than the OP of this thread got hidden earlier today?

My guess would be the latter, but then again, I tend to zigzag between too naive and too cynical.

[kaiden]

90. I only listen to the Barenaked Ladies.

They aren't naked and they aren't ladies. Heck, they're not even American.

[TM99]

105. Yeah, Snoop Dogg

and Kanye West are as well.

They support Clinton.

You calling them out as well or did you join just to call out Killer Mike?

[DCBob]

112. Bernie's cheap amateurish attempt to pander to African American voters.

It wont work.

[Cheese Sandwich]

129. You act like Hillary owns the black vote

She doesn't

[MrMickeysMom]

139. Geez, Cheese...

How could you have the same vantage point? You're not examining from inside the DC!

[MrMickeysMom]

140. How's it working for you to insinuate that Bernie's "cheap"?

Sounds like you're trying to apply the adjective "cheap" to him... Why's that, Bob?

[merrily]

158. BERNIE'S attempt? WTF? How did Bernie force this guy to endorse him?

Wow. DU sinks lower by the day.

[Crystalite]

113. Trigger Warning: Killer Mike lyrics inside:

"Reagan"

Our government has a firm policy not to capitulate to terrorist demands. That no-concessions policy remains in force, despite the wildly speculative and false stories about arms for hostages and alleged ransom payments, we did not, repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we

The ballot or the bullet, some freedom or some bullshit
Will we ever do it big, or keep just settling for little shit
We brag on having bread, but none of us are bakers
We all talk having greens, but none of us own acres
If none of us on acres, and none of us grow wheat
Then who will feed our people when our people need to eat
So it seems our people starve from lack of understanding
Cause all we seem to give them is some balling and some dancing
And some talking about our car and imaginary mansions
We should be indicted for bullshit we inciting
Hella children deaf and pretending it's exciting
We are advertisements for agony and pain
We exploit the youth, we tell them to join a gang
We tell them dope stories, introduce them to the game
Just like Oliver North introduced us to cocaine
In the 80s when the bricks came on military planes


A few months ago I told the american people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not


The end of the Reagan Era, I'm like number twelver
Old enough to understand the shit'll change forever
They declared the war on drugs like a war on terror
But it really did was let the police terrorize whoever
But mostly black boys, but they would call us "ni**ers"
And lay us on our belly, while they fingers on they triggers
They boots was on our head, they dogs was on our crotches
And they would beat us up if we had diamonds on our watches
And they would take our drugs and money, as they pick our pockets
I guess that that's the privilege of policing for some profit
But thanks to Reaganomics, prisons turned to profits
Cause free labor is the cornerstone of US economics
Cause slavery was abolished, unless you are in prison
You think I am bullshitting, then read the 13th Amendment
Involuntary servitude and slavery it prohibits
That's why they giving drug offenders time in double digits
Ronald Reagan was an actor, not at all a factor
Just an employee of the country's real masters
Just like the Bushes, Clinton and Obama
Just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters
If you don't believe the theory, then argue with this logic
Why did Reagan and Obama both go after Qaddafi
We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil
Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby
Same as in Iraq, and Afghanistan
And Ahmadinejad say they coming for Iran
They only love the rich, and how they loathe the poor
If I say any more they might be at my door
Who the fuck is that staring in my window
Doing that surveillance on Mister Michael Render
I'm dropping off the grid before they pump the lead
I leave you with four words: I'm glad Reagan dead

_________________________________________________________

[delrem]

136. Ah yes. I was wondering who'd start Brock's smear machine rolling. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

142. The Beatles say... (TRIGGER WARNING)

[AgingAmerican]

148. So you try to smear him

Because you don't understand hip hop culture. Stunning hypocrisy and ignorance.

[msrizzo]

153. My son says Killer Mike is a good artist.

I trust his judgement (my son's) so I will give him his due.

[Menshunables]

157. What do you think about Kim Kardashian and her blessings toward Hillary?

Killer Mike is an activist and a powerful voice for justice. He makes a difference in this world. Kim seems to be a powerful voice toward women's value as being shapely meat with empty heads - that's about as misogynist as the dictionary definition.

Perhaps she has some valuable and deep thoughts that I am unaware of.

[Tarc]

170. Sanders followers champion a real winner here

Misogyny

Pussy nigga what you doin'

[Chorus: Sleepy Brown]
(All day I dream about...)
(All day I dream about sex)
The way you move your sexy groove
I've got my mind all over you
(All day I dream about...)
(All day I dream about sex)
You say you were so sick of it
I'm tired of jackin' off cause you ain't there

- http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killermike/adidas.html

Glorifying gang violence

These monkey niggas looking for some Luda and Jermaine
And all a nigga found was a Ruger and some pain
Pow, motherfucker, pow! One off in the brain

- http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killermike/bigbeast.html

Racism, i.e. frequent dropping of the n-word

(Too many to link, this is pretty much every song)


So this is what the Bernie fans are hanging their hat on for getting out the A-A vote? Really?

[Romulox]

174. Oh heaven forfend! nt