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IPSOS REID-Likely Voter Poll- HRC 63% SBS 30% MOM 3% (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #1
Thank you, sir or madame. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #3
Ooh, ya gotta tell us what was said. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #10
I misspelled the name of the polling organization. That's all... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #11
HA! Spelling-mavens, punctuation-experts, and grammar-queens are always fun. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #2
kickin' ass, just saying. nt seabeyond Nov 2015 #4
Likely voters? Robbins Nov 2015 #5
That's how President Kucinich did it! 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #6
oopf! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #14
The best humor is always based on truth wolfie001 Nov 2015 #24
BOOM! lunamagica Nov 2015 #45
Don't forget the unicorns! Metric System Nov 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #15
The toxic idea that both parties are the same it really what's killing our democracy. baldguy Nov 2015 #19
A legitimate worry ... KPN Nov 2015 #50
See Post 19. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #53
You should start your own website... Drunken Irishman Nov 2015 #17
That's bull shit from Thom Hartman. upaloopa Nov 2015 #33
pew's method deancr Nov 2015 #49
I firmly believe there's a legitimate point Codeine Nov 2015 #52
With Dems and Independents HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #7
K AND R! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #12
Yes!!!! Another pair of Scalias/Alitos will be devastating! wolfie001 Nov 2015 #26
no with clinton you lose Robbins Nov 2015 #28
How about telling me how not just Hillary bull shit upaloopa Nov 2015 #35
She'll beat any of those knuckleheads hands down!! wolfie001 Nov 2015 #40
that's not what polls say Robbins Nov 2015 #51
What is your purpose in continually telling us Hillary is leading in national polls? daybranch Nov 2015 #16
As long as the acolytes of the Vermont independent tear her down I will build her up. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #18
Do you ask the same questions of the people continually posting single state and internet polls? Thor_MN Nov 2015 #20
There is a bit of hypocrisy here... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #22
"A bit of hypocrisy"? wolfie001 Nov 2015 #27
There was a nat'l poll cited here with nearly 100 recommendations because Sanders was only... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #32
The straight-Dem ticket voters are all very aware of the pro Bernie campaign here wolfie001 Nov 2015 #39
The last thing I want to do is begrudge them their voice as long as they don't begrudge me mine. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #41
True words! wolfie001 Nov 2015 #43
I used to respond to all the attacks...Now I largely ignore em. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #46
This is the correct answer. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #36
polls are part of the news treestar Nov 2015 #21
Because it easily counters the endless blog-like posts of the Sanders supporters Tarc Nov 2015 #23
What do you think of my observation in Post #22?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #25
"you are not sending a message of democracy and consideration for the views of others." LOL! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #30
It's nice to know we are winning and it makes up for the anti Hillary bull shit OP's upaloopa Nov 2015 #37
As long as it is not against the TOS, DSB has the right to post any primary news lunamagica Nov 2015 #47
Why does Mom only have 3%? Arkana Nov 2015 #29
If Mom drops 2%, Mom will be a 1%er, and then the Sanders crowd can hate Mom, too. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #31
MOM should be polling better, just on the strength of his acronym, ya think? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #34
We all love MOM, we just don't want MOM running for president. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #38
MOM picked the wrong year...Without HRC I think MOM beats SBS... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #42
2:1 and increasing. This trend should hold through MineralMan Nov 2015 #44
K&R. keep the polls coming, DSB! lunamagica Nov 2015 #48
Yes, please do. Alfresco Nov 2015 #54

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
55. HA! Spelling-mavens, punctuation-experts, and grammar-queens are always fun.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015
After all ... commas are important!!

Let's eat, Grandma!

-vs-

Let's eat Grandma!

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
5. Likely voters?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:49 AM
Nov 2015

that is BS.Bernie will have independents,firsttime voters,and others voting for him which don't fit the likely voter screen.

But,whatever it takes to make headline for Clinton I see.

Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #6)

Response to Robbins (Reply #5)

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
19. The toxic idea that both parties are the same it really what's killing our democracy.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:03 AM
Nov 2015

Supposed "progressives" want change, but when they don't win everywhere instantly & automatically, instead of buckling down, refining their message and trying to win support for their issues, they spend their time tearing down Democrats & the Democratic Party. Then they wonder why a minority party like the GOP still has influence.

KPN

(15,647 posts)
50. A legitimate worry ...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

but why should Bernie supporters come out for Hillary when she so obviously triangulates back to center right once she feels secure about the nomination? A legitimate question in the minds of folks who are weary of and increasingly disenfranchised by the status quo.

Maybe things need to get worse before they get better.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
17. You should start your own website...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:54 AM
Nov 2015

...where you rework the polls with the correct voter breakdown.

You can call it UnSkewed Polls or something.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121105161546/http://unskewedpolls.com/

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
33. That's bull shit from Thom Hartman.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:22 AM
Nov 2015

When they say likely voters they ask the question "will you vote in the primary"

I know you need any kind of thing to give hope.

Maybe you need some un skewed poll web site

deancr

(150 posts)
49. pew's method
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:53 AM
Nov 2015

You sparked my curiosity. The following url directs to Pew's research on their method of determining likely voters.

http://www.people-press.org/2001/05/18/screening-likely-voters-a-survey-experiment/

It would seem that likely voters are those who have both a history of voting and knowledge of their personal polling place. Which doesn't provide proof that crossover voters, independents, those previously unmotivated will sway the day for Bernie. A force to be acknowledged though.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
52. I firmly believe there's a legitimate point
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

that a section of Bernie's support isn't being counted because they're just now voting age or because they're older but somehow they never noticed that we elect out government before now.

But - and it's a big but - will that vote be big enough to swing some of these huge margins? The numbers would have to be unprecedented.

As one of the few people perfectly happy to have either candidate I'm curious to watch it play out. I just wish everyone would play a little nicer.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
28. no with clinton you lose
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:16 AM
Nov 2015

she turns off indepdents and young voters

she drives out republican turnout

she has ailenated 30 to 35% of dems assuming polls hold and she wins.

It is time to have someone who will fight for our values.it's not about getting everything.it's getting something

war.trade.wall street.social safety net.these are all reasons why liberlas or progressives support Bernie over her.you can ignore
the issues and make this cult of personality of just having a woman or dem win and ignore the issues.dems don't mean good thing
will come

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
51. that's not what polls say
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:15 AM
Nov 2015

with rubio and carson.and people underestimate trump at their risk.

Her only chance to win in GE Is trump and that could turn into 2000/2004 like race.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
16. What is your purpose in continually telling us Hillary is leading in national polls?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:50 AM
Nov 2015

What doesit accomplish in your mind? Are you trying to enthuse Hillary fans or to lower Bernie turnout? Either way, you are not sending a message of democracy and consideration for the views of others. Polls may be correct but it will not stop Bernie supporters who criticize your candidate for being poll rather than value driven. Every time you send out something mentioning a poll, a Bernie supporter says I will work harder for the people because they need Bernie. So keep on doing and do not forget we Bernie fans know you really mean well and want an honest discussion of issues- not!
Just a few questions? Does Hillary not want to expand the very popular Social Security Program? Did she come out for $12 minimum wage when people were fighting for $15? Did she just state she was against Medicare for All because it cost more than the ACA? Is her position on Syria really to the right of President Obama's? Is she really still undecided about the need to repeal Citizens United and get big money out of politics? If she wants to maintain her lead in the polls, she must move to the left and to the positions of Bernie. Unfortunately her connection with the 1 percent and her support of these positions are raising eyebrows. I guess my question to you is do you agree with her positions on these matters or are you afraid of something or complacent or what?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. As long as the acolytes of the Vermont independent tear her down I will build her up.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:00 AM
Nov 2015

Thank you for your concern.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
20. Do you ask the same questions of the people continually posting single state and internet polls?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:03 AM
Nov 2015

Why not?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
22. There is a bit of hypocrisy here...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:07 AM
Nov 2015
Every poll where the Vermont independent is doing well is posted here and the word well is subjective. There would be a lot more of them if not for the paucity of them.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
32. There was a nat'l poll cited here with nearly 100 recommendations because Sanders was only...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:22 AM
Nov 2015

There was a nat'l poll cited here with nearly 100 recommendations because Sanders was only 26 points behind.

No s--t !!!

wolfie001

(2,264 posts)
39. The straight-Dem ticket voters are all very aware of the pro Bernie campaign here
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:27 AM
Nov 2015

Throwing mud at Hillary is going to do the Dem party zero favors. We're always are worst enemy. Frustrating.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
41. The last thing I want to do is begrudge them their voice as long as they don't begrudge me mine.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:33 AM
Nov 2015

After a while folks just tune out the attacks. It's common sense.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
46. I used to respond to all the attacks...Now I largely ignore em.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015

I cited my reasons for supporting HRC:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=830948

If they aren't acceptable to folks here that's why we have voting.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
23. Because it easily counters the endless blog-like posts of the Sanders supporters
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:07 AM
Nov 2015

Actual facts vs. the "OMG Hillary is the devil" ones that get 200 upvotes everyday here.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
30. "you are not sending a message of democracy and consideration for the views of others." LOL!
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:19 AM
Nov 2015

Have mercy! Posting the results of polls is suppressing my rights as a human being!!!

When you post this fascist propaganda, are you Talking Truth To Power? NO!!!

Does it advance the hopes and dreams of the masses? Crush the establishment? DOES IT TELL THE BANKSTERS WE'VE HAD ENOUGH?????!!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!11

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
47. As long as it is not against the TOS, DSB has the right to post any primary news
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:51 AM
Nov 2015

he wishes to post on the primary forum.

I'm getting sick at tired of so called "progressives" questioning and trying to control what others post, just because those posts are not what they want to read.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
42. MOM picked the wrong year...Without HRC I think MOM beats SBS...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Nov 2015

I know SBS is doing a lot better than MOM but HRC in the race changes the whole dynamic. That's the problem with counterfactual hypotheses . You change one fact other facts change as well.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
44. 2:1 and increasing. This trend should hold through
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:39 AM
Nov 2015

February, I think. Then, it will go to 3:1, if Bernie stays in after March 1.

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