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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Claims Vermont’s Hunters Need Their Guns on Amtrak. The Hunters Disagree
Lisa McCrillis of Gun Purveyors in Alburg thought the idea that anyone would take a train to go hunting was hilariousand dangerous. Thats silly, she said. Ive never heard of anybody doing that.
What if the train stops, McCrillis wanted to know, and somebody saw a gun case in the baggage and just took it? Nobody would notice until it was too late. And what if your train passed through somewhere, like New York, with impossibly stringent gun laws and was searched? Well, then, youd probably become a felon.
If somebody came in and asked me, Lisa, can I take my gun on the train? I would say, No, you cant. Thats really bizarre.
None of this was to say, McCrillis added, that someone, somewhere in Vermont wasn't doing what Sanders said. But if they were, shed certainly never heard of it.
Rick Gorham of Ricks Gun Shop in Burke, Vermont, also had never heard of such a thing. Uh, I dont know anything about that, he said. Ive never heard of anybody taking a gun on an Amtrak train. You can take em on a plane, he said, but I havent heard of anybody taking their gun on an Amtrak train, no.
Gray Stevens of the Vermont Sportsmans Club hadnt heard of it either. Oh, I dont know anything about that, he said. Everybody that hunts takes their vehicle, goes to hunting camps. I dont know anything about people using trains to go hunting. Once they get there, what are they gonna do, take a cab to the woods?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/25/bernie-sanders-claims-vermont-s-hunters-needs-their-guns-on-amtrak-the-hunters-disagree.html
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)My god, think of the children our "War on Terrorism" has killed?!
How can you knock Bernie on this then go vote for more war?
Your GOOD GOD is missing a heart.
Cha
(297,465 posts)Tortmaster
(382 posts)They will have a gun painted in the middle of the lane so that if you don't have a gun in your car, you'll know to move over to the right.
riversedge
(70,270 posts)vicman
(478 posts)How are they going to get their freshly killed game back home? I'll bet Amtrak has even more stringent rules about that kind of luggage than they do guns! LOL
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's what my s/o and his brothers do, they don't take coolers on planes.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)bec
(107 posts)about unloaded guns on Amtrak than a candidate that is bought by Wall Street. I think the latter is a heck of a lot more destructive. Just my opinion
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And by the way, unloaded guns are not the point of the article.
bec
(107 posts)have we had on an Amtrak? Have you gone out and read the policy of Amtrak?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)AllyCat
(16,207 posts)On the train in the luggage compartment. What is the problem?
SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/25/bernie-sanders-claims-vermont-s-hunters-needs-their-guns-on-amtrak-the-hunters-disagree.html
The problem is people have access to their luggage on trains, so an unloaded gun can easily become a loaded gun. Also, as the article notes:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/25/bernie-sanders-claims-vermont-s-hunters-needs-their-guns-on-amtrak-the-hunters-disagree.html
INdemo
(6,994 posts)allow hunters with a Overunder 12 gauge strapped to one shoulder,an Ak-47 to the other and a couple 44 mags holstered and stepped onto an Amtrak.
Even in this daily beast article with the headline suggests Bernie Sanders would allow this
Thank you for that Clarity..Incidentally I don't believe Hillary Clinton voted on the SB-145
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)AllyCat
(16,207 posts)Signs at each ticket counter. Has been that way all the years I have been traveling by train. So always may be wrong. But now, yes.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I can tell you that I just travel to DC and we were told explicitly that there were no firearms allowed.... then again the train was also going in to National so that may have been the reason.
AllyCat
(16,207 posts)They always check that unloaded firearms are in checked baggage. Not that we ever have guns.
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aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)The daily beast contacted the wrong hunters. The ones already living in VT don't need to take trains anywhere to hunt It the hunters in NY, NJ, And CT that take trains up to VT that needed to check their guns on Amtrak trains.
And yes they rent off-road vehicles once they get there.
OMG ONOs!!!!!!
I remember when this law was passed and anti gunners where freaking out about gun safety as if blood would be running on the tracks.
No incidents of note have happened
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's time to recycle the Bernie's a gun nut meme.
SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)Right, because a terrorist would never think to take a gun on a train.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/europe/france-train-shooting/index.html
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I like how the anti-Berniacs use the "Terror! Fear!" meme just like HRC did to go to war in Iraq.
SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)If a person with malicious intend wants to get a gun on board they can do much easier than checking a case and storing in baggage.
Preventing a checked gun in a locked case does absolutely nothing to improve safety.
I know you don't support Bernie and are progun-control but this is not a terrorism safety issue.
AllyCat
(16,207 posts)Are in the baggage car. No access en route.
SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)None of the ones I took ever did.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)posts anymore because most of us are probably on their Ignore list..
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)My s/o takes his rifle with him on planes and the requirements are the same:
All firearms (rifles, shotguns, handguns, starter pistols) must be unloaded and in an approved, locked hard-sided container not exceeding 62" L x 17" W x 7" D (1575 mm x 432 mm x 178 mm). The passenger must have sole possession of the key or the combination for the lock to the container. The weight of the container may not exceed 50 lb/23 kg.
Smaller locked, hard-sided containers containing smaller unloaded firearms such as handguns and starter pistols must be securely stored within a suitcase or other item of checked baggage, but the existence of such a firearm must be declared.
http://www.amtrak.com/firearms-in-checked-baggage
And then there's this:
Hey genius, people rent vehicles when they get to their destination, just like they do in airports.
They interviewed a few morons and suddenly everyone is clutching their pearls over unloaded guns in checked baggage.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)on a multi-stop train with what goes on in a modern airport?
Amtrak does not offer "checked" baggage, as comparable to a plane....on most of its trains. I can tell you from experience that the vast majority of commuter trains running up and down the Eastern Seaboard will not have the personnel for checked firearms. Are you honestly defending this lunacy?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I am not buying the daily performance art, there's nothing "honest" about it.
SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)There is no reason hunters shouldn't be allowed to check their weapons on Amtrak.
Your outrage is comical.
SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)Hunters don't use trains.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)Where are your facts and links that hunters use trains?
You and Bernie know damn well the bill to overturn the gun ban on Amtrak had nothing to do with hunters needing to get to Bambi using Amtrak. It was the NRA wanting to make sure gun nuts have their beloved guns with them at all times.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You don't want us to question your credibility on this issue, do you?
okasha
(11,573 posts)a pork issue. Out of state hunters spend money in Vermont. Obviously passenger safety is a secondary consideration.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Wow! That's a new one.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)By strapping it to the front of the plane?
Derp!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)SunSeeker
(51,622 posts)There is no airport style screening of baggage at train stations and on most trains you have access to your baggage while on the train. See post 13. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251847626#post13
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Of NRA, he plays their game, this is a terrible position, just blame something rather than take ownership of being controlled by NRA.
Vinca
(50,300 posts)Curious. I just located a map of NRA ratings online and it was surprising to me how many Democrats have higher ratings than Bernie's. And not just western legislators. It kind of explains why nothing gets done on guns that has any real impact. Even in Bernie's home state, Vermont, both Sen. Patrick Leahy and Rep. Peter Welch have higher ratings. Bernie should be proud of his lousy rating.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)donation to defeat his opponent far far too long.
Vinca
(50,300 posts)BootinUp
(47,173 posts)I'm 100% certain the NRA could have explained it.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Yummy recycled trollbait.
Change any votes yet?
bwahahaha
...
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)marched with MLK Jr. in 1963 (except that he didn't), voted against the AUMF (except that he voted to fund it the same day:
https://votesmart.org/bill/3122/8511/27110/department-of-defense-appropriations-fiscal-year-2003#.VYZ8NLa1qSo ):
things get complicated fast.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I hate to ruin the new HC supporter birther meme but you guys are really pathetic.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)allow a hunter to step onto an Amtrack train with a 30/30 strapped over their shoulder headed to Big Sky Country.
And through out your OP you never mentioned that guns were allowed on Amtrack if guns were in baggage and amunition was seperate.
In 2009, the Senate voted to overrule a ban on guns on Amtrak trains that had been in place for nearly a decade.
This law was passed by Congress in 2010 allowing this
In 2009, the Senate voted to overrule a ban on guns on Amtrak trains that had been in place for nearly a decade.
Sanders supported the measure, which requires passengers to inform Amtrak that they have a weapon and carry the weapon in a locked, hard-sided container and the ammunition separately, in the original manufacturers container, like they would if they were traveling by plane.
Where in your OP did you mention this.
The headline of this article would suggest the same as you tried to convey.
The quotes in this article are correct.They never heard of anyone carrying a gun on the train because it is not allowed.
(Ive never heard of anybody taking a gun on an Amtrak train.)
Nice try Randy,Nice try Bill
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... That is absolutely unbelievable bullshit. This one is just another example, but there are so many to choose from.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Apparently you've never ridden on a train.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Just curious.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Any old port in a storm.