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RandySF

(59,079 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 05:42 AM Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders Claims Vermont’s Hunters Need Their Guns on Amtrak. The Hunters Disagree

Lisa McCrillis of Gun Purveyors in Alburg thought the idea that anyone would take a train to go hunting was hilarious—and dangerous. “That’s silly,” she said. “I’ve never heard of anybody doing that.”

What if the train stops, McCrillis wanted to know, and somebody saw a gun case in the baggage and just took it? Nobody would notice until it was too late. And what if your train passed through somewhere, like New York, with impossibly stringent gun laws and was searched? Well, then, you’d probably become a felon.

“If somebody came in and asked me, ‘Lisa, can I take my gun on the train?’ I would say, ‘No, you can’t.’ That’s really bizarre.”

None of this was to say, McCrillis added, that someone, somewhere in Vermont wasn't doing what Sanders said. But if they were, she’d certainly never heard of it.

Rick Gorham of Rick’s Gun Shop in Burke, Vermont, also had never heard of such a thing. “Uh, I don’t know anything about that,” he said. “I’ve never heard of anybody taking a gun on an Amtrak train. You can take ‘em on a plane,” he said, but “I haven’t heard of anybody taking their gun on an Amtrak train, no.”

Gray Stevens of the Vermont Sportsman’s Club hadn’t heard of it either. “Oh, I don’t know anything about that,” he said. “Everybody that hunts takes their vehicle, goes to hunting camps. I don’t know anything about people using trains to go hunting. Once they get there, what are they gonna do, take a cab to the woods?”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/25/bernie-sanders-claims-vermont-s-hunters-needs-their-guns-on-amtrak-the-hunters-disagree.html

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Bernie Sanders Claims Vermont’s Hunters Need Their Guns on Amtrak. The Hunters Disagree (Original Post) RandySF Nov 2015 OP
OH GOOD GOD! :-/ NurseJackie Nov 2015 #1
Yes! This is so much worse than WAR! tecelote Nov 2015 #10
WTholeyF. Cha Nov 2015 #2
Next? Car Pool Gun Lanes. Tortmaster Nov 2015 #3
Once they get there, what are they gonna do, take a cab to the woods?” riversedge Nov 2015 #4
Better yet vicman Nov 2015 #18
You can have the meat shipped to you. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #22
OMG! leftofcool Nov 2015 #5
I am a little less worried bec Nov 2015 #6
And you know they are all unloaded how? leftofcool Nov 2015 #7
Well how many mass shootings bec Nov 2015 #8
No different than all aircraft now Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #28
K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #9
People have always been able to take their unloaded guns AllyCat Nov 2015 #11
No, they haven't. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #13
You are correct but another Hillary supporter centainly made it sound as if Bernie Sanders wanted to INdemo Nov 2015 #46
You could, then you couldn't. Right now, you still can't. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #17
Just traveled by train in August. Yes, you can AllyCat Nov 2015 #25
Checked...in a train available for such, rifles? msanthrope Nov 2015 #52
We go to DC once or twice a year on Amtrak AllyCat Nov 2015 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Nov 2015 #12
Are anti-Bernie folks really outraged or are you being sarcastic? aikoaiko Nov 2015 #14
The former, it's the poutrage du jour. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #16
"No incidents of note have happened." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #33
Yeah I'm sure they went to their checked luggage to retrieve their weapons aikoaiko Nov 2015 #42
You have access to your luggage on trains, unlike planes. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #44
Also, unlike planes, they don't xray checked luggage or screen carry on bags (except randomly). aikoaiko Nov 2015 #50
Wrong. Checked baggage, where guns go, AllyCat Nov 2015 #56
A lot of trains don't have separate baggage cars. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #57
Well there arent a hell of a lot of Hillary supporters that read Bernie Sanders supporters INdemo Nov 2015 #48
"What if ...somebody saw a gun case in the baggage and just took it" beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #15
Um....are you actually comparing the security available msanthrope Nov 2015 #19
Oh spare me. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #20
There is nothing honest about Bernie's excuse for his guns on trains vote. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #24
LOL! Coming from you that's even more hillaryous. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #26
People on trains have access to their luggage and aren't screened like at airports. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #27
"Hunters don't use trains." Link please. Tia! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #29
The OP. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #31
That's a quote from one of the morons interviewed. Cite facts to back up your claim, tia! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #32
I did. Calling them "morons" does not dispute their assertion. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #34
Where are the facts you cited? Please post them again. Thanks! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #36
Hunters saying they don't use trains. See the OP article link. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #39
That's not how it works, you made the claim so you need to back it up with facts. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #40
It's also, and likely primarily, okasha Nov 2015 #64
Moron hunters from Vermont? leftofcool Nov 2015 #58
Sure, anyone who makes that claim would have to be. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #66
Oh you, silly! Don't you ever see deer carcases lashed to the front hood and roof of the train? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #45
How do you think hunters transport their meat when they fly? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #47
Sure, why not? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #49
On a train, it's easy to turn an unloaded gun into a loaded gun. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #23
This is another excuse by Sanders to cover for him being in the control Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #21
Sheesh . . . you'd think they'd give him a better rating then. D-? Vinca Nov 2015 #35
All members of congress should have a F rating, he has been paying the NRA back for their $18,000 Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #51
If that's "payback," I'd love to see what the other Democrats are doing. I found some A's & B's. Vinca Nov 2015 #54
Why didn't they ask the NRA? BootinUp Nov 2015 #30
Neato! 99Forever Nov 2015 #37
So he's for gun control (except that he isn't), ucrdem Nov 2015 #38
Bernie never said he marched with MLK, he went to Washington to hear him speak. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #41
If that is true, then why have we been hearing this daily? leftofcool Nov 2015 #59
Hearing what daily? The only one who said that is your associate, ask them. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #65
Your OP is written in a way that would suggest Bernie Sanders wanted to INdemo Nov 2015 #43
LOL - yes, well Bernie comes up with lots of stuff.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #53
Why should trains have stricter gun rules than planes? NT Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #60
Because people on trains have access to checked bags MaggieD Nov 2015 #62
How cozy is Bernie with the NRA? Alfresco Nov 2015 #61
In 2012, the NRA gave Sanders a rating of 8 percent. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #63
Just like on planes. Autumn Nov 2015 #67

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
10. Yes! This is so much worse than WAR!
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:32 AM
Nov 2015

My god, think of the children our "War on Terrorism" has killed?!

How can you knock Bernie on this then go vote for more war?

Your GOOD GOD is missing a heart.

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
3. Next? Car Pool Gun Lanes.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 06:17 AM
Nov 2015

They will have a gun painted in the middle of the lane so that if you don't have a gun in your car, you'll know to move over to the right.

vicman

(478 posts)
18. Better yet
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:36 AM
Nov 2015

How are they going to get their freshly killed game back home? I'll bet Amtrak has even more stringent rules about that kind of luggage than they do guns! LOL

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. You can have the meat shipped to you.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:45 AM
Nov 2015

That's what my s/o and his brothers do, they don't take coolers on planes.

 

bec

(107 posts)
6. I am a little less worried
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:04 AM
Nov 2015

about unloaded guns on Amtrak than a candidate that is bought by Wall Street. I think the latter is a heck of a lot more destructive. Just my opinion

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
7. And you know they are all unloaded how?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:08 AM
Nov 2015

And by the way, unloaded guns are not the point of the article.

 

bec

(107 posts)
8. Well how many mass shootings
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:15 AM
Nov 2015

have we had on an Amtrak? Have you gone out and read the policy of Amtrak?

AllyCat

(16,207 posts)
11. People have always been able to take their unloaded guns
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:52 AM
Nov 2015

On the train in the luggage compartment. What is the problem?

SunSeeker

(51,622 posts)
13. No, they haven't.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:10 AM
Nov 2015
In 2009, the Senate voted to overrule a ban on guns on Amtrak trains that had been in place for nearly a decade.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/25/bernie-sanders-claims-vermont-s-hunters-needs-their-guns-on-amtrak-the-hunters-disagree.html

The problem is people have access to their luggage on trains, so an unloaded gun can easily become a loaded gun. Also, as the article notes:

Anyone who’s been on an Amtrak train can attest that bags aren’t searched or screened, like at the airport. 


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/25/bernie-sanders-claims-vermont-s-hunters-needs-their-guns-on-amtrak-the-hunters-disagree.html

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
46. You are correct but another Hillary supporter centainly made it sound as if Bernie Sanders wanted to
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:59 AM
Nov 2015

allow hunters with a Overunder 12 gauge strapped to one shoulder,an Ak-47 to the other and a couple 44 mags holstered and stepped onto an Amtrak.
Even in this daily beast article with the headline suggests Bernie Sanders would allow this

Thank you for that Clarity..Incidentally I don't believe Hillary Clinton voted on the SB-145

AllyCat

(16,207 posts)
25. Just traveled by train in August. Yes, you can
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:53 AM
Nov 2015

Signs at each ticket counter. Has been that way all the years I have been traveling by train. So always may be wrong. But now, yes.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
52. Checked...in a train available for such, rifles?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:32 PM
Nov 2015

I can tell you that I just travel to DC and we were told explicitly that there were no firearms allowed.... then again the train was also going in to National so that may have been the reason.

AllyCat

(16,207 posts)
55. We go to DC once or twice a year on Amtrak
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:51 PM
Nov 2015

They always check that unloaded firearms are in checked baggage. Not that we ever have guns.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
14. Are anti-Bernie folks really outraged or are you being sarcastic?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:18 AM
Nov 2015

The daily beast contacted the wrong hunters. The ones already living in VT don't need to take trains anywhere to hunt It the hunters in NY, NJ, And CT that take trains up to VT that needed to check their guns on Amtrak trains.

And yes they rent off-road vehicles once they get there.

OMG ONOs!!!!!!

I remember when this law was passed and anti gunners where freaking out about gun safety as if blood would be running on the tracks.

No incidents of note have happened

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
42. Yeah I'm sure they went to their checked luggage to retrieve their weapons
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:30 AM
Nov 2015

I like how the anti-Berniacs use the "Terror! Fear!" meme just like HRC did to go to war in Iraq.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
50. Also, unlike planes, they don't xray checked luggage or screen carry on bags (except randomly).
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
Nov 2015

If a person with malicious intend wants to get a gun on board they can do much easier than checking a case and storing in baggage.

Preventing a checked gun in a locked case does absolutely nothing to improve safety.

I know you don't support Bernie and are progun-control but this is not a terrorism safety issue.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
48. Well there arent a hell of a lot of Hillary supporters that read Bernie Sanders supporters
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:07 AM
Nov 2015

posts anymore because most of us are probably on their Ignore list..

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. "What if ...somebody saw a gun case in the baggage and just took it"
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:19 AM
Nov 2015

My s/o takes his rifle with him on planes and the requirements are the same:

Firearms in Checked Baggage

All firearms (rifles, shotguns, handguns, starter pistols) must be unloaded and in an approved, locked hard-sided container not exceeding 62" L x 17" W x 7" D (1575 mm x 432 mm x 178 mm). The passenger must have sole possession of the key or the combination for the lock to the container. The weight of the container may not exceed 50 lb/23 kg.

Smaller locked, hard-sided containers containing smaller unloaded firearms such as handguns and starter pistols must be securely stored within a suitcase or other item of checked baggage, but the existence of such a firearm must be declared.

http://www.amtrak.com/firearms-in-checked-baggage



And then there's this:

Oh, I don’t know anything about that,” he said. “Everybody that hunts takes their vehicle, goes to hunting camps. I don’t know anything about people using trains to go hunting. Once they get there, what are they gonna do, take a cab to the woods?”


Hey genius, people rent vehicles when they get to their destination, just like they do in airports.


They interviewed a few morons and suddenly everyone is clutching their pearls over unloaded guns in checked baggage.






 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
19. Um....are you actually comparing the security available
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:40 AM
Nov 2015

on a multi-stop train with what goes on in a modern airport?

Amtrak does not offer "checked" baggage, as comparable to a plane....on most of its trains. I can tell you from experience that the vast majority of commuter trains running up and down the Eastern Seaboard will not have the personnel for checked firearms. Are you honestly defending this lunacy?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. LOL! Coming from you that's even more hillaryous.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:57 AM
Nov 2015

There is no reason hunters shouldn't be allowed to check their weapons on Amtrak.

Your outrage is comical.

SunSeeker

(51,622 posts)
27. People on trains have access to their luggage and aren't screened like at airports.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:01 AM
Nov 2015

Hunters don't use trains.

SunSeeker

(51,622 posts)
39. Hunters saying they don't use trains. See the OP article link.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:24 AM
Nov 2015

Where are your facts and links that hunters use trains?

You and Bernie know damn well the bill to overturn the gun ban on Amtrak had nothing to do with hunters needing to get to Bambi using Amtrak. It was the NRA wanting to make sure gun nuts have their beloved guns with them at all times.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
40. That's not how it works, you made the claim so you need to back it up with facts.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:25 AM
Nov 2015

You don't want us to question your credibility on this issue, do you?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
64. It's also, and likely primarily,
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

a pork issue. Out of state hunters spend money in Vermont. Obviously passenger safety is a secondary consideration.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
47. How do you think hunters transport their meat when they fly?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:05 AM
Nov 2015

By strapping it to the front of the plane?

Derp!


SunSeeker

(51,622 posts)
23. On a train, it's easy to turn an unloaded gun into a loaded gun.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:50 AM
Nov 2015

There is no airport style screening of baggage at train stations and on most trains you have access to your baggage while on the train. See post 13. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251847626#post13

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
21. This is another excuse by Sanders to cover for him being in the control
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:45 AM
Nov 2015

Of NRA, he plays their game, this is a terrible position, just blame something rather than take ownership of being controlled by NRA.

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
35. Sheesh . . . you'd think they'd give him a better rating then. D-?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:17 AM
Nov 2015

Curious. I just located a map of NRA ratings online and it was surprising to me how many Democrats have higher ratings than Bernie's. And not just western legislators. It kind of explains why nothing gets done on guns that has any real impact. Even in Bernie's home state, Vermont, both Sen. Patrick Leahy and Rep. Peter Welch have higher ratings. Bernie should be proud of his lousy rating.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
51. All members of congress should have a F rating, he has been paying the NRA back for their $18,000
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:17 AM
Nov 2015

donation to defeat his opponent far far too long.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
38. So he's for gun control (except that he isn't),
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:18 AM
Nov 2015

marched with MLK Jr. in 1963 (except that he didn't), voted against the AUMF (except that he voted to fund it the same day:

https://votesmart.org/bill/3122/8511/27110/department-of-defense-appropriations-fiscal-year-2003#.VYZ8NLa1qSo ):

things get complicated fast.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. Bernie never said he marched with MLK, he went to Washington to hear him speak.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:27 AM
Nov 2015

I hate to ruin the new HC supporter birther meme but you guys are really pathetic.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
43. Your OP is written in a way that would suggest Bernie Sanders wanted to
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:33 AM
Nov 2015

allow a hunter to step onto an Amtrack train with a 30/30 strapped over their shoulder headed to Big Sky Country.
And through out your OP you never mentioned that guns were allowed on Amtrack if guns were in baggage and amunition was seperate.
In 2009, the Senate voted to overrule a ban on guns on Amtrak trains that had been in place for nearly a decade.

This law was passed by Congress in 2010 allowing this

In 2009, the Senate voted to overrule a ban on guns on Amtrak trains that had been in place for nearly a decade.

Sanders supported the measure, which requires passengers to inform Amtrak that they have a weapon and carry the weapon in a locked, hard-sided container and the ammunition separately, “in the original manufacturer’s container,” like they would if they were traveling by plane.
Where in your OP did you mention this.

The headline of this article would suggest the same as you tried to convey.
The quotes in this article are correct.They never heard of anyone carrying a gun on the train because it is not allowed.
(I’ve never heard of anybody taking a gun on an Amtrak train.)

Nice try Randy,Nice try Bill

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
53. LOL - yes, well Bernie comes up with lots of stuff....
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:37 PM
Nov 2015

... That is absolutely unbelievable bullshit. This one is just another example, but there are so many to choose from.

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