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yardwork

(61,650 posts)
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:59 PM Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders is making a mistake in ignoring foreign policy in his speeches.

This is not a wise campaign strategy, and it's a clue about how he might handle foreign policy as a president. It's not a priority to him.

It began with the last debate, where he tried to ignore the attacks in Paris and stick to his economic policies. It's continuing in his stump speeches. This won't work.

People in the U.S. are easily panicked by terrorist attacks. They do vote based on who they think will keep us safe. Voters here don't like candidates who appear to be pacifists. We can bemoan this and complain about this and say that the voters are ill-informed, but there it is. U.S. voters like hawks.

Bernie ignores this at his peril. Just saying.

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Bernie Sanders is making a mistake in ignoring foreign policy in his speeches. (Original Post) yardwork Nov 2015 OP
He's thinking about the primary msrizzo Nov 2015 #1
He just doesn't have *gravitas* to do the "We came. We saw. He died!" schtick! Romulox Nov 2015 #2
This always disturbs and sickens me silenttigersong Nov 2015 #12
What about Blumenthal's emails bothers you? yardwork Nov 2015 #13
Oops silenttigersong Nov 2015 #15
The Republicans' lies and spins about Benghazi are indeed hard to keep up with. yardwork Nov 2015 #17
Dont silenttigersong Nov 2015 #19
oh here found it take credit for Libya combined with video we came we saw he died yuck silenttigersong Nov 2015 #41
Apparently you didn't hear his Georgetown speech HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #3
I didn't. Is it available online? yardwork Nov 2015 #5
Oh yes HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #6
I'll check it out. Thanks. yardwork Nov 2015 #9
Maybe he's just looking for a cabinet post? nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #4
As long as he is going around as a democrat I wish he would leave it alone. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #7
Ok, if he's not in it to win, his strategy makes sense. yardwork Nov 2015 #8
Clinton is able to speak authoritatively about foreign policy... brooklynite Nov 2015 #10
She'll put them all to shame.* NurseJackie Nov 2015 #23
Agreed. Right now, people are worried about this. MineralMan Nov 2015 #11
I think Sen.Sanders silenttigersong Nov 2015 #14
Well, the schedule is set by the election calendar. yardwork Nov 2015 #16
Limited debates silenttigersong Nov 2015 #18
disagree noiretextatique Nov 2015 #20
Dialog is the most important thing, coupled with international pressure Lans Nov 2015 #21
Yes, but I'm talking about voter perceptions. yardwork Nov 2015 #31
That's a problem for the voters Lans Nov 2015 #34
It's our problem. We all have to live with election results. yardwork Nov 2015 #35
Foreign Policy will be the thing to sink Bernie in the GE. Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #22
If HRC gets elected as a hawk, and carries out hawkish policies as president, Ken Burch Nov 2015 #26
I don't see Hillary as any more likely to go to war than Obama has been. yardwork Nov 2015 #30
Then you had better read today's news. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #33
It's the only way to win the GE. I'm quite serious. yardwork Nov 2015 #36
Going full bore hysterical about terrorism is the problem. Ron Green Nov 2015 #37
I agree with you that most of the public is wrong, but candidates have to be elected. yardwork Nov 2015 #38
Right. And as long as they're elected by fear, we've got a problem trying to make things better. Ron Green Nov 2015 #39
Good. Cha Nov 2015 #24
It's no longer possible to be a hawk AND get progressive things done. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #25
Of course it's a mistake, but I'm not complaining. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #27
Bernie has a singular focus, and he has had it for so long I imagine randys1 Nov 2015 #28
That's been one of the good results of his candidacy, I think. yardwork Nov 2015 #29
Another reason it would be a huge mistake MaggieD Nov 2015 #32
He does,that is just another anti-Bernie talking point His best statement, His vote against Iraq war Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #40

msrizzo

(796 posts)
1. He's thinking about the primary
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015

Not that foreign policy doesn't matter to Dems, but we don't tend to vote out of fear so much. But should he become the eventual nominee he will have to definitely shift gears to make the foreign policy case.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
12. This always disturbs and sickens me
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:26 PM
Nov 2015

The narcism that she expresses being about her and the revelation of her friend Sids email,is cringeworthy.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
15. Oops
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

My bad thats right wing lies Benghazi Benghazi so difficult to keep up with the lies .So difficult to discern the lies and spin.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
17. The Republicans' lies and spins about Benghazi are indeed hard to keep up with.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:56 PM
Nov 2015

How many hearings have they had, in both the House and Senate? And nothing seems to have come of them.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
3. Apparently you didn't hear his Georgetown speech
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:06 PM
Nov 2015

Where he dedicated the last quarter to foreign policy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. As long as he is going around as a democrat I wish he would leave it alone.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:17 PM
Nov 2015

Repeating the phrase "those countries" and the "leaders of those countries" doesn't sound very good for us. Clinton and O'Malley have shown they are very educated with respect to world events, geography, and leaders. Sanders made it clear in the last debate he doesn't know the names of the countries or their leaders. I think he should stick to what he really cares about; economics or bust.

"Bernie ignores this at his peril. Just saying."

He isn't in it to win it. That is clear. It's not at his own peril, he will continue to be a lifelong politician and activist after the primary.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
10. Clinton is able to speak authoritatively about foreign policy...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:22 PM
Nov 2015

...and beat up intolerant bigots like Donald Trump AND talk about economic issues.

Multitasking.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. She'll put them all to shame.*
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:16 PM
Nov 2015

*Assuming they possess the ability to feel such things. (I'm looking at you DT and BC and TC.)

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. Agreed. Right now, people are worried about this.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:22 PM
Nov 2015

Ignoring it is not an option for a presidential candidate. If it continues, we will see further results in upcoming polling. We've already seen a bump for Hillary coming from it.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
14. I think Sen.Sanders
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:47 PM
Nov 2015

did well,summing up he is not about "Regime change"siting a few examples,any more elaboration would require lots of time.Furthermore foreign policy affects domestic policy.Hillary is the one who invoked 911 that to me spells more of a problem then Bernie Sanders has with foreign policy.I fully believe Sen Sanders to give a
policy speech just not on yours or Hillary Clinton's schedule.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
16. Well, the schedule is set by the election calendar.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

My observation is that voters in the U.S. tend to get nervous about terrorist attacks when they hear about them. Candidates who can be portrayed as "weak" don't do well when terrorism is in the news.

For instance, it was easier to steal the election from Kerry because his campaign ignored a "wolves are gathering" TV ad that Rove ran days before the 2004 election. Poorly informed voters actually believed the stupid ad and undecideds broke for W. It's stupid, it's ignorant, but it's a thing.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
18. Limited debates
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:00 PM
Nov 2015

for an intellectual such as Bernie Sanders is a serious issue for his campaign,now I guess we will have to wait,since the debates are so few.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
20. disagree
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:03 PM
Nov 2015

the american people have been losing since the election of raygun. it is long past time for an american president to focus on americans and our shattered domestic policy.

Lans

(66 posts)
21. Dialog is the most important thing, coupled with international pressure
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:11 PM
Nov 2015

being a nation that escalates conflicts around the globe leads to leverage for nations like Russia and China to flux their international muscle. The failed policy that Clinton endorses in the middle east is exactly why the region is disarray and this type of policy will always lead to unintended consequences. There are dictators across the World that limit free speech, preach intolerance or even worse kill their own population. But society as a whole needs to reach a particular level before democracy can spread wings - what foreign policy should always be focused on is nudging countries in that direction instead of creating power vacuums which effect those less privileged the most.

How can the US address this issues while it doesn't hold the moral high ground - it cannot, until problems at home are resolved we cannot look outside and try to fix the Worlds problems. Until sensibility in the foreign policy is reached - the US will continue to be the World's boogeyman.

Lans

(66 posts)
34. That's a problem for the voters
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:53 PM
Nov 2015

if they can't look past demeanor into the real gritty facts, that getting entangled with Syria would lead to another 10 years of wondering why you put troops on the ground in the first place.
Propping up regimes and nation building hasn't proved to be an especially useful tool for spread democracy - unless that democracy is geared towards electing ISIS-lite.
The second quagmire is the region itself, you have Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and Afghanistan all enveloped in some sort of chaos. Than the regional power brokers all pulling the rugs in their own direction, while Turkey is playing with fire and possibly is deeply involved with smuggling ISIS oil to Europe and while Saudis, Kuwaitis, Qataris all finance ISIS and Iran backs Assad.
It's not going to end well and those trillions spend in a foray into the middle east could be better spend investing in green energy.

Unless everyone is striving towards a common goal the region would continue to breed chaos, but people's dreams have been stifled and their only opinion seems to be joining one extreme faction or another extreme dictator. There is no black or white there it's all gray.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
26. If HRC gets elected as a hawk, and carries out hawkish policies as president,
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:12 PM
Nov 2015

She will destroy the party again, just as LBJ did.

No amount of higher war spending and no greater military interventions anywhere could have prevented the Paris killings OR 7/7 in the UK OR 9/11. All of those things happened during hawkish presidencies.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
30. I don't see Hillary as any more likely to go to war than Obama has been.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:13 PM
Nov 2015

My point is about the voters' perceptions, though. I don't believe - and I'm sad to say this - that anybody can get elected president now without coming across as a hawk.

I agree that it is ridiculous. But that's the environment we have here in this country now.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
33. Then you had better read today's news.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:05 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary is going to the right of Obama, trying to build a gap between him and her, as she wants to go after ISIS full throttle.

There's an article in LBN about what she said just today.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
36. It's the only way to win the GE. I'm quite serious.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:21 AM
Nov 2015

Most of the country is getting ready to go full bore hysterical about terrorism.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
37. Going full bore hysterical about terrorism is the problem.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:11 PM
Nov 2015

Americans watch too much TV and pay too much attention to bad thinking, as well as doing a lot of it themselves.

We're not unsafe because of terrorism, but because of the toxic society we've allowed the .01% to create. To the extent we as voters can figure this out and start to act accordingly, we'll all have a chance at a safer world.

For Bernie to buy into the media version of "foreign policy" and start with all that fearmongering would be the wrong move.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
38. I agree with you that most of the public is wrong, but candidates have to be elected.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:15 PM
Nov 2015

Candidates can't do anything until they are elected.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
39. Right. And as long as they're elected by fear, we've got a problem trying to make things better.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:04 PM
Nov 2015

It may be as basic as "human nature," in which case we'll never have a transformative presidential candidate like Bernie Sanders. Somebody like Clinton, as bad as she is, will be all we can hope for.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
25. It's no longer possible to be a hawk AND get progressive things done.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:10 PM
Nov 2015

President Obama tried that(and made the best effort he could)but the "we can't ever cut the war budget, no matter what" crowd led by Rahm carried the day. The president apparently forgot that LBJ had made the same mistakes.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
27. Of course it's a mistake, but I'm not complaining.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:13 PM
Nov 2015

Stay the course, Bernie! It's working so well! Look at those poll numbers! Watch those endorsements roll in! Heck of a job!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
28. Bernie has a singular focus, and he has had it for so long I imagine
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:17 PM
Nov 2015

shifting attention elsewhere will be difficult at first.

I dont know his exact position on what he would be doing right now in the ME.

If someone has specifics, great.

I really believe Bernie thought he wouldnt be elected but he would cause such an uproar and shitstorm that whoever was would have to adopt his agenda to some extent

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