2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is making a mistake in ignoring foreign policy in his speeches.
This is not a wise campaign strategy, and it's a clue about how he might handle foreign policy as a president. It's not a priority to him.
It began with the last debate, where he tried to ignore the attacks in Paris and stick to his economic policies. It's continuing in his stump speeches. This won't work.
People in the U.S. are easily panicked by terrorist attacks. They do vote based on who they think will keep us safe. Voters here don't like candidates who appear to be pacifists. We can bemoan this and complain about this and say that the voters are ill-informed, but there it is. U.S. voters like hawks.
Bernie ignores this at his peril. Just saying.
msrizzo
(796 posts)Not that foreign policy doesn't matter to Dems, but we don't tend to vote out of fear so much. But should he become the eventual nominee he will have to definitely shift gears to make the foreign policy case.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)silenttigersong
(957 posts)The narcism that she expresses being about her and the revelation of her friend Sids email,is cringeworthy.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)silenttigersong
(957 posts)My bad thats right wing lies Benghazi Benghazi so difficult to keep up with the lies .So difficult to discern the lies and spin.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)How many hearings have they had, in both the House and Senate? And nothing seems to have come of them.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)forget the spin cycle,the truth be told .
silenttigersong
(957 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Where he dedicated the last quarter to foreign policy.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)A quick youtube search should do it.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Repeating the phrase "those countries" and the "leaders of those countries" doesn't sound very good for us. Clinton and O'Malley have shown they are very educated with respect to world events, geography, and leaders. Sanders made it clear in the last debate he doesn't know the names of the countries or their leaders. I think he should stick to what he really cares about; economics or bust.
"Bernie ignores this at his peril. Just saying."
He isn't in it to win it. That is clear. It's not at his own peril, he will continue to be a lifelong politician and activist after the primary.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)...and beat up intolerant bigots like Donald Trump AND talk about economic issues.
Multitasking.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)*Assuming they possess the ability to feel such things. (I'm looking at you DT and BC and TC.)
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Ignoring it is not an option for a presidential candidate. If it continues, we will see further results in upcoming polling. We've already seen a bump for Hillary coming from it.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)did well,summing up he is not about "Regime change"siting a few examples,any more elaboration would require lots of time.Furthermore foreign policy affects domestic policy.Hillary is the one who invoked 911 that to me spells more of a problem then Bernie Sanders has with foreign policy.I fully believe Sen Sanders to give a
policy speech just not on yours or Hillary Clinton's schedule.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)My observation is that voters in the U.S. tend to get nervous about terrorist attacks when they hear about them. Candidates who can be portrayed as "weak" don't do well when terrorism is in the news.
For instance, it was easier to steal the election from Kerry because his campaign ignored a "wolves are gathering" TV ad that Rove ran days before the 2004 election. Poorly informed voters actually believed the stupid ad and undecideds broke for W. It's stupid, it's ignorant, but it's a thing.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)for an intellectual such as Bernie Sanders is a serious issue for his campaign,now I guess we will have to wait,since the debates are so few.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)the american people have been losing since the election of raygun. it is long past time for an american president to focus on americans and our shattered domestic policy.
Lans
(66 posts)being a nation that escalates conflicts around the globe leads to leverage for nations like Russia and China to flux their international muscle. The failed policy that Clinton endorses in the middle east is exactly why the region is disarray and this type of policy will always lead to unintended consequences. There are dictators across the World that limit free speech, preach intolerance or even worse kill their own population. But society as a whole needs to reach a particular level before democracy can spread wings - what foreign policy should always be focused on is nudging countries in that direction instead of creating power vacuums which effect those less privileged the most.
How can the US address this issues while it doesn't hold the moral high ground - it cannot, until problems at home are resolved we cannot look outside and try to fix the Worlds problems. Until sensibility in the foreign policy is reached - the US will continue to be the World's boogeyman.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)What motivates people when they vote.
Lans
(66 posts)if they can't look past demeanor into the real gritty facts, that getting entangled with Syria would lead to another 10 years of wondering why you put troops on the ground in the first place.
Propping up regimes and nation building hasn't proved to be an especially useful tool for spread democracy - unless that democracy is geared towards electing ISIS-lite.
The second quagmire is the region itself, you have Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and Afghanistan all enveloped in some sort of chaos. Than the regional power brokers all pulling the rugs in their own direction, while Turkey is playing with fire and possibly is deeply involved with smuggling ISIS oil to Europe and while Saudis, Kuwaitis, Qataris all finance ISIS and Iran backs Assad.
It's not going to end well and those trillions spend in a foray into the middle east could be better spend investing in green energy.
Unless everyone is striving towards a common goal the region would continue to breed chaos, but people's dreams have been stifled and their only opinion seems to be joining one extreme faction or another extreme dictator. There is no black or white there it's all gray.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She will destroy the party again, just as LBJ did.
No amount of higher war spending and no greater military interventions anywhere could have prevented the Paris killings OR 7/7 in the UK OR 9/11. All of those things happened during hawkish presidencies.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)My point is about the voters' perceptions, though. I don't believe - and I'm sad to say this - that anybody can get elected president now without coming across as a hawk.
I agree that it is ridiculous. But that's the environment we have here in this country now.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Hillary is going to the right of Obama, trying to build a gap between him and her, as she wants to go after ISIS full throttle.
There's an article in LBN about what she said just today.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Most of the country is getting ready to go full bore hysterical about terrorism.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)Americans watch too much TV and pay too much attention to bad thinking, as well as doing a lot of it themselves.
We're not unsafe because of terrorism, but because of the toxic society we've allowed the .01% to create. To the extent we as voters can figure this out and start to act accordingly, we'll all have a chance at a safer world.
For Bernie to buy into the media version of "foreign policy" and start with all that fearmongering would be the wrong move.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Candidates can't do anything until they are elected.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)It may be as basic as "human nature," in which case we'll never have a transformative presidential candidate like Bernie Sanders. Somebody like Clinton, as bad as she is, will be all we can hope for.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)President Obama tried that(and made the best effort he could)but the "we can't ever cut the war budget, no matter what" crowd led by Rahm carried the day. The president apparently forgot that LBJ had made the same mistakes.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Stay the course, Bernie! It's working so well! Look at those poll numbers! Watch those endorsements roll in! Heck of a job!
randys1
(16,286 posts)shifting attention elsewhere will be difficult at first.
I dont know his exact position on what he would be doing right now in the ME.
If someone has specifics, great.
I really believe Bernie thought he wouldnt be elected but he would cause such an uproar and shitstorm that whoever was would have to adopt his agenda to some extent
yardwork
(61,650 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts).... To nominate him. IMO.