Tell me three things Hillary will do as president to improve my life as a PERSON that Bernie has not

[Vincardog]

Proposed and I will caucus for her in IA.

Rules:
1) The proposal has to help Humans not corporations.
2) The proposal has to be original as in not a lite version of someone else's proposal.
3) There has to be DOCUMENTATION i.e. a link to her proposal.

That is it. No polls no attacks just concrete ways HRC will improve my life if elected.

[sabrina 1]

1. That's a difficult challenge. But I'm not a Hillary supporter so I'll leave it to them.

[mmonk]

2. This should be interesting.

[Vincardog]

3. Well they seem to swarm to post on polls and negative posts about BS where are they now?

[Kelvin Mace]

4. I am guessing that you and the crickets

will have a lot to talk about.

[Vincardog]

5. I just wanted to see if any of the swarm could say anything positive about the

Anointed one.

[Vincardog]

6. I bet if I posted this in the Hillary group it would be hid and me banned.

[NCTraveler]

9. My only post in the Sanders group.

I was banned minutes after making it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

Do you have a point?

[brooklynite]

18. I was banned after posting Bernie's camaign schedule

[Andy823]

143. I just know received a notice

That I was banned from the Bernie Sanders group. I posted to the guy who wants to get protester to show up in Boston, at an event for Hillary, and asked if he would be leading the protesters in Boston . Oh well I am sure he will be their leading them.

[darkangel218]

53. I don't see you on the blocked list.

[arcane1]

26. I was banned for less than that!

I admitted I voted to hide a post from a new troll that MIRT quickly took care of after the jury. Mere minutes after my admission, I was notified I was blocked from the group

[pinebox]

7. Getting popcorn

Because I'm thinking there really isn't anything.

[Vincardog]

8. There you have it. Not one HRC supporter and name 3 things good about her policies.

[MADem]

68. It has more to do with your snarky combative tone and bullshit "conditions."

Tell me three things that Sanders could do to improve my life that have a hope in hell of passing Congress.

POTUS is not king. Not one thing Sanders has proposed has any hope of passing the legislative gauntlet.

And he doesn't have a lot of friends in Congress, either...so there's that.

[notadmblnd]

101. And HRC won't fare any better.

So your point is moot.

[MADem]

106. She has friends in Congress.

They're called super delegates. Point not moot...quite obviously.

[notadmblnd]

107. Not on the republican side

And republicans do have the majority. She is hated by republicans and tea baggers. Again, HRC won't fare any better.

[MADem]

108. They won't have it forever.

The pendulum does have a habit of swinging.

[notadmblnd]

110. Oh, well then- Sanders will be able to get much accomplished.

[MADem]

123. Maybe he'll take on a party role--like whip, or a position in the progressive caucus

administrative structure.

[notadmblnd]

125. No, I think he'll do just fine Presidenting

[MADem]

127. There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip...

I think he might be President of his book club, if he'd like, but the Oval Office is quite likely beyond his reach.

[trueblue2007]

133. You are 1000000% right. Neither of our candidates for President will have an easy way with the GOP

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Here!

(crickets...... crickets...... crickets..... crickets.... crickets.... crickets.... crickets.... crickets..... crickets....)

[Staph]

10. This request shows why I am, as yet, mildly undecided.

But I am determined that a Democrat will be taking the oath of office on January 20, 2017.

For all of the wrangling and hurt feelings and nose-to-nose shouting matches here on Democratic Underground, Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton and Governor O'Malley are the only candidates I will consider for the next president. Those three have the right stands on the issues important to me, and they have the welfare of the American people and of the planet at heart.

Anyone who disagrees deserves Donald Trump!

[smiley]

11. K&R

Part of me wants to clear my ignore list just so I can see their responses.
😊

[Vincardog]

14. Don't bother they are incapable.

[99Forever]

13. Bwahahaha...

...left 'em speechless.

[hootinholler]

15. They probably just haven't seen it yet

It's only been an hour and a half.

[riderinthestorm]

16. Two hours now

[Doctor_J]

17. meet congressional republicans half way!

I read here that that's good

[BainsBane]

19. Get accomplished some of what she proposes

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Proposals do nothing to improve your live. Absolutely nothing. They have to be passed by congress and implemented. Promises are easily, particularly when the candidate has no expectation of having to deliver on them. Following through is the hard part.

[Vincardog]

22. Is my life better with a president who will not even propose better policies? PLEASE

[BainsBane]

20. Three things:

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Early childhood education:

Investing in early childhood programs. Hillary has called for doubling our investment in Early Head Start and Early Head Start–Child Care programs, which bring evidence-based curriculum into the child care setting to provide comprehensive, full-day, high-quality services to low-income families.
Expanding preschool access. Hillary has called for us to build on the bipartisan work taking place in states and communities across America that expand access to preschool by initiating new federal support for their efforts. Her proposal would ensure that every four year old in America has access to high-quality preschool in the next 10 years, by providing new federal funding for states that expand access to quality preschool for four year olds.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/early-childhood-education/

Improve the quality of K-12 education in low income communities. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/k-12-education/
K-12 is where inequality is solidified. Without addressing that, the poor can't take advantage of government-subsidized college.

Bernie has no plan for early childhood or k-12.

Gun violence prevention through strengthened gun control. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/ Including repealing immunity for gun CORPORATIONS, something Bernie voted for.

[Vincardog]

21. Good. Federal funding of universal free pre-school would help people if that is her proposal the

Link won't work for me,


How would repealing immunity For gun CORPORATIONS; assuming she could get passed Congress, Help people?

Even if I let you have that, where is the third policy?

[BainsBane]

23. Links

Seems I didn't post that one: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/early-childhood-education/
This is her general issues page. You can also get to pre-K through there, as well as all the other issues. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Repealing the immunity law would give families of gun violence the opportunity to bring suit for companies enabling illegal use of weapons. With immunity, gun corporations have no incentive to make their products safer or to prevent them from falling in the hands of illegal arms sellers. Think about the auto industry, how much safer cars have become because of law suits and government regulation. The gun industry is immune form that. They therefore have no incentive to implement trigger locks or fingerprint recognition technology, the sort of thing that could prevent a toddler from being able to fire and kill someone with a parent's gun.
Companies only make products safer when it becomes financially necessary, and law suits are the means by which that financial cost is felt.

Also Sanders, started in 1993, promised to never vote for waiting periods for buying guns. He has kept that promise. That impairs the ability to do thorough background checks (how one of the recent mass shooters got a gun despite a felony conviction.) He supports instant background checks. Instant. That means someone who is angry, full of rage, wants to kill his partner or shoot up a school or a workplace, would have no cooling off period before he gets his weapon. Waiting periods are fine for abortion, yet not for guns?

[Vincardog]

24. Can I sue FORD for the injuries caused by a drunk driver? What is your third proposal?

No polls no attacks just concrete ways HRC will improve my life if elected.

[riderinthestorm]

25. I see you're still waiting 26+ hours later...

one HRC poster gave this a shot.

The others?

Crickets.

[Vincardog]

27. Yes they are a bunch with the courage of their convictions.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Perhaps the lack of response is because HRC supporters (of which, I am not) ...

recognize disingenuousness.

[MADem]

136. They may have been born at night....but not LAST night!!!

[BainsBane]

59. You're worried about the billions in profit for the gun industry?

I can't help you there. I do not and never will value profits over human life. I don't understand why corporate profits generated from murder are better than those from Wall Street. I thought Bernie supporters cared about corporate accountability? Do you not even think about the contradiction in privileging Murder Inc while raging against Wall Street? No one has yet explained to me how they can justify such blatantly contradictory positions. That Bernie votes for it is evidently enough.

You cannot sue the auto maker for the actions of a drunk driver, and that is already accounted for under ordinary tort law. There would be no need for special immunity for gun makers for that same standard. The existing law creates special immunity, not just the typical legal standard that every other industry is held to. You must know this. Your very example points to a contradiction. There is no immunity for car makers or any other industry. The goal of the law is to protect their unfettered profits of gun corporations at all costs. Human life and the rights of the victims, the rights of Americans to petition courts, completely usurped by the corporate gun industry.

The other proposal is addressing the disparity in K-12 education. I suggest you reread my response called " three things." Addressing the massive disparity in K-12 is indispensable to dealing with income inequality. The plan for "free" (rather taxpayer funded) higher education cannot help the poor and lower middle class when their schools don't prepare their kids for college. Bernie proposes nothing to address this. It seems inconceivable to me that he could serve in government for more than 30 years and have no clue about the massive inequality in K-12 education and how that ensures generations of poverty.

[Vincardog]

85. No polls no attacks just concrete ways HRC will improve my life if elected. no strawment this is

About HRC. Why support her.

[Matariki]

51. Thanks for taking the time to answer Vincardog's question

[Livluvgrow]

52. You cut out the part

where she talks about testing

"Hillary believes that it is critical that Congress retain its commitment to high academic standards for all children, which will include measuring how children are doing each year. Hillary believes that testing provides communities with full information about how our low-income students, students of color, and students with disabilities are doing in comparison to other groups so that we can continue to improve our educational system for all students."

So she supports testing and more testing. In other words the status quo.

[BainsBane]

62. Here's the deal

Firstly, I cut nothing out. I excerpted only one paragraph, and it was on early childhood ed, not even K-12. I provided links for everyone to read, as you just did.

The European model of taxpayer funded education depends on testing. Placement in college is determined by scores on national tests. Everyone doesn't go because everyone can't go. Societies must allocate resources. If that is the model you want, it requires testing. Socialist planned economies do the same thing. They determine access to university by testing. Bernie isn't being straight with voters about what is involved in federally subsidized education. No country sends every person to university. Not only it is cost prohibitive, there is no social need for everyone to have a four-year degree. Society needs plumbers, electricians, other skilled trades that depend on technical training. I suppose by failing to address inequality in K-12, he could be dealing with some of that that by keeping the poor in schools that don't prepare them for college. However, even the upper-middle class most helped by his plan can't get into college without testing. All systems have trade offs. Utopia doesn't exist. There has to be a way to allocate resources. Pretending otherwise is absurd.

I don't know all the intricacies of debates concerning K-12 reforms, but Clinton does have the support of the teachers unions. They wouldn't be supporting her if they felt her plan damaged them. In my view, testing itself is not so much the problem as the quality of the tests.

[Livluvgrow]

72. Wow Utopia doesn't exist

that is the hillarious meme I keep hearing. You don't even have to pretend to recognize the need for change. She is advocating for more of the same failing system. Oh and by the way she has the support of some in the teachers union. Many others absolutely loathe her. You or hillarious don't get the right to speak on behalf of an entire organization of people. They have their own voices and each of their votes has the same value as some hack at the head of the table.

[AgingAmerican]

82. Someone didn't do their homework

Sanders race to the top grants

“Psychologists tell us that, in terms of human development, the most important years are birth through four years of age,” said Sanders, a member of the Senate education committee. “Yet, in terms of early childhood education, our nation does a very inadequate job in making quality pre-kindergarten education available to working families. This major federal grant will significantly improve early childhood education in our state and better prepare our kids for school and the challenges and opportunities of life.”

He has already been doing this, she only proposes things.

Sanders policies on education

Name one area in which Hillary differs from Sanders on gun policy TODAY. I have yet to find a Clinton supporter who can name a single one.

[ancianita]

93. These are all the things I, as a Bernie supporter, would have posted, as well.

Hillary will be important in stemming the bleeding that's going on around women's rights and education, which are my domestic priorities, besides ending Citizens United and getting the money out of politics.

I can't say the same for Bernie, though he's stronger in other areas.

Just remember that no matter who we trust/distrust or vote for, they will have to deal with the same 545 political sellouts that Obama's had to deal with. In that sense, we have to look at who could negotiate with both houses and get better outcomes.

[TM99]

28. A day later and no replies.

They are too busy busting a passionate black man who endorses Sanders and makes them a wee bit uncomfortable.

[Vincardog]

30. This to me shows the worst aspects of her campaign Long on polls and attacks absolutely no substance

Or at least no substantive policies to help PEOPLE. I wonder if that explains the enthusiasms gap.

[ancianita]

95. It's too early to characterize the next 11 months of her campaign by recent tactics. Those will

change when she takes more time to lay out her past accomplishments. And they are concrete.

[MrWendel]

31. Right the all important...

Killer Mike endorsement. Like when John Lewis endorsed Hillary, and BS supporters flocked to his facebook page to lecture him and try to shame him on what Civil Rights REALLY means.

Yup, Killer Mike. The one that got away.

[TM99]

32. Thanks for proving my post eerily correct.

Now, would you care to answer the OP's questions?

[MrWendel]

33. Sure...

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues

By the way, try the "Gun violence prevention" section.

[TM99]

34. Nice try

but that is not a response to the OP.

[MrWendel]

36. You know what else...

is a "Nice Try"? Reading it.

[TM99]

37. I know Clinton's sorry policies

all too well.

You still didn't answer the OP.

But hey, at least you poked a head in the thread. Few of your compatriots had the courage to even do that!

[Attorney in Texas]

35. To answer, I'd need to know if you are a hedge fund manager or a CEO of a weapons manufacturer

Those are some persons who will definitely see some major life improvements if Clinton wins

[Vincardog]

38. That explains my insistance that it help PEOPLE. Say Hi to David Van Os for me, if you see him.

[Yavin4]

39. Your question has a false premise

Neither Bernie nor Hillary nor any other Dem can improve your life. Only you can.

[Vincardog]

40. Bernie's proposal for medicare for everyone would improve a lot of lives. His proposal

For free public education would improve a lot of lives.
His proposal for a $1.40 a week tax on everyone to pay for paid Family leave would improve lives,
His proposal to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr would improve lives.


What else ya got?

[Yavin4]

41. None of those proposals can realistically happen given the current make up of the congress

Even some Dems won't support them let alone Republicans.

[Vincardog]

42. That is why we have elections in democracies: so we can elect representatives who work to improve

Our lives. Do you support these proposals? If not do you call yourself a democrat?

[MrWendel]

58. Allot of these places...

that have these things called elections also have Republican Governors = Jim Crow 2.0

I would really love it if that was somehow fixed along with messing with POC in elections in general would go along way to changing the face of the government.

Bernie would have about the same if not less success than President Obama.

[Vincardog]

43. So you admit HCR supports not a single policy to help PEOPLE.

[Yavin4]

44. No. That's your interpretation.

No politician can improve your life.

[Vincardog]

48. Is it my interpritation, that you can not list anyway her presidency would improve my life?

[Yavin4]

50. Her presidency would keep us on the path to recovery which was started by Obama in 2009

Her presidency would mean having a functioning competent government.

[Vincardog]

91. you can not list anyway her presidency would improve my life pleas list some or quit wasting my tim

[ancianita]

96. When your standard is YOU specifically, you talk the way I hear conservative Republican voters

talk, when they're not prioritizing being "safe."

You need to understand that any Democrat who can bring a coattail group of state reps to the House will be better able to pass the kinds of legislation that will affect you personally. But you also need to understand that this is a huge country in the midst of trade realignments and innovation that bends toward green economic priorities, so you'll have to excuse a new Democratic president for holding those and not your personal life to a higher priority.

No insult intended. I respect most of your need for specifics about her but think that you must hold all of our interests as equal to your own.

That said, I do have some specifics that you can count on her to continue in your personal interests.

I'll post those elsewhere.

I mean, seriously, even I as a Bernie supporter can see the relative strengths that Hillary as president brings to our party on her worst day, over and above anything a Republican president can do on their best day.

[Vincardog]

98. "coattail group of state reps to the House" whose would be longer? "trade realignments" another

Possible avenue of improvement, HRC negotiated the TPP; again would her trade policies help PEOPLE?

Why not post those specifics here?

[ancianita]

99. You don't know if Hillary negotiated the TPP. If so, provide links. Here are specifics that lead me

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to think that Hillary will help you specifically more than Bernie will. They focus more on domestic policy because that's what she has spent most of her time doing. Although you'll see that she has attended to American international interests, as well, while Bernie was still mayoring, or whatever.

First and last, this is stuff all Bernie supporters should know.

As First Lady, Hillary...

1 A. With Attorney General Janet Reno, helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office.

1 B. wrote a report of her observations for then Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education. Albright was one of her closest Cabinet allies.

2. She actively supported the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities.

3. Nick Littlefield, who worked with Senator Edward M. Kennedy and was the staff director to the Health, Education and Labor Committee at the time said, ''once we discovered that Mrs. Clinton was running a public advocacy organization inside the White House, it followed automatically that we would start talking to her.''

4. has claimed that the administration's program to guarantee free immunizations for poor and uninsured children, passed in 1993, ''was basically drafted in my office under my supervision.'' The program was a precursor to health care and its policy was largely rejected by Congress, but the Clinton administration did get $585 million for vaccines."

5. helped to initiate and promote the Children's Health Insurance Program, CHIPS,created by Congress in 1997 to provide $24 billion over five years to states to insure children. ''She was a one-woman army inside the White House to get this done,'' Mr. Littlefield of the Health, Education and Labor Committee said.

6. helped to write bills on adoption and foster care, and lobbied for them, helped pass them past old Trent Lott's objections. The bill, an administration priority intended to speed up the adoption of children in foster care, had been heavily promoted by Mrs. Clinton on Capitol Hill. Four days after her call, it passed the House and Senate and was soon signed into law by the president.


7. Jane Alexander, Chair of the National Endowment for the Arts, has said, ''I don't think that the Endowment would be alive today if it weren't for strong White House support and...her very important role."

8. At the Agency for International Development, Brian Atwood, the administrator, said of Mrs. Clinton's grasp of complex development issues: ''She understands these issues better than 90 percent of the people who operate within the foreign policy community." "It is no coincidence," Mr. Atwood said, "that the Administration is seeking to slightly increase the budget for A.I.D. next year. She deserves more credit for that,'' he said, ''than anyone.''

As United States Senator ...

1. Secured, with Senator Schumer and New York's Congressional delegation, $21.4 billion for New York City's clean up and recovery.

2. Fought for the Victims Compensation Fund to provide substantial payments to 9/11 victims.

3. Extended Disaster Unemployment Assistance for 52 weeks.

4. Expedited benefits to the families of fire fighters, police and other public safety officers who died in the September 11 terrorist attacks.

5. Secured $10 million for mental health treatment for students in New York and $5 million for mental health treatment for public safety officers.

6. Ensured that no less than $500 million of nearly $2.7 billion in Community Development Block Grants funding be used for small businesses and residents in Lower Manhattan.

7. Co-sponsored the "Terrorism Risk Insurance Act" which the President signed into law in November 2002.

8. Secured $12 million for baseline screening and long-term health care for workers and volunteers at Ground Zero; brought national attention to the need for additional resources for health tracking.

9. Worked with FEMA so that $4.5 billion would go toward building a world-class transportation system in Lower Manhattan.

10. Secured $140 million for New York Hospitals and health care providers that responded to and were hurt by the disaster.

11. Worked to pass the National Construction Safety Team Act that eliminates bureaucratic barrier for safety teams to inspect buildings in the event of a disaster.

12. Hosted a Senate field hearing on air quality impacts of the WTC attacks, and pushed the EPA to test and clean indoor air in Lower Manhattan.

I got more. Because as a Democrat I did my homework.

I can claim from any of these past activities that
1. she will pursue the solidifying of women's reproductive rights and family supports.
2. she will publicly negotiate all domestic legislation by using the bully pulpit to persuade Republican voters that such laws serve their interests;
3. that she will be a great leader in providing disaster relief on the ground to Americans.

Don't get picky with me. I gave you three. And the bases for them.

Did I say I'm still a Bernie supporter through the primary and convention?

[tazkcmo]

105. #2 is laughable.

Since when does HRC have the charisma or trust to persuade a Republican to do anything? Especially a Republican voter that can't be bribed by a lucrative presidential appointment?

And #3 is very important as there will certainly be a "disaster" if she's elected.

I'll give you #1. She's been very consistent in this area and credit to her for it is well deserved.

[ancianita]

109. You're not paying attention to her bipartisan influence on past legislation, then. Given how

Republicans have been since Obama took office, one would have to conclude that House and Senate makeup, now different, will call for different strategies for building legislative support.

And if you think Bernie can get as much support, you're nuts. Even if he could use the bully pulpit as well through media, he has not got nearly the bipartisan networks that Hillary has built in either house.

About #3, of course it sounds silly, until you, personally, need the help.

But hey, just to humor you, I'll add two more:

2. Hillary will have two liberals nominated for the SCOTUS.

3. Hillary will negotiate business benefits for American workers.

Don't act like neither of these won't affect you or the OP personally.

[tazkcmo]

103. "Her presidency would mean having a functioning competent government."

How? Does Mrs. Clinton enjoy a better relationship with GOP office holders than President Obama? Will her candidacy fire up the Democratic base, Independents and moderate Republicans? Are her coattails so long that she'll enjoy a majority in both houses? Or even just one? Please explain as opposed to just saying stuff.

[ancianita]

112. Committees: Hillary's on two that provide international scope; Bernie doesn't. Those working

committee relationships with GOP office holders matter. A lot.

1. Yes, she has a better relationship with the GOP than Obama. Paul Ryan and Bob Corker, Lindsey Graham, Robert Bennett, Mike DeWine, and in the past, Trent Lot, Tom DeLay and even effing Gingrich.

People here can't have it both ways, saying on the one hand, she's like the Republicans just because she has worked at length with them, or has sold out to big money influence as they have, and then doubt that she will have any influence on bipartisan legislation in the future.

She has a better record pro-party vote record than Russ Feingold, by the way.

None of the above can be said of Bernie Sanders.

2. She can fire up the base because she already has won much of the women's vote across demographics and even across parties.

3. Her sweep of the presidency can very well lead to big coattail voting of women into the House, yes. That's yet to be seen, but women are getting ready to run.

The only people "saying stuff" around here are broad brush attackers who hate her big money backers. No one is perfect, but I won't, as a Democrat, pay attention to much more of the bullshit tossed around here about Hillary's qualifications, goals and leadership.

4. The WORLD knows Hillary better than ANYONE running for president. ANY. ONE. The world also knows that Hillary is better qualified to be president than anyone running. ANY. ONE. Bernie included. Those two things alone are really, really important for this country. Those are two big differences between parties that people need to appreciate.

I'm tiredtiredtired of party disloyalty bullshit about the general election. If people here say they're not going to vote Democratic in the general, I say they should be banned from DU.

[tazkcmo]

118. I disagree with everything you countered with.

All I can do is refer you to all the GOP attacks, vitriol and smears these past 25 years or so. The GOP smear machine has lovingly nursed it's base on the milk of Hillary Hate.

"None of the above can be said of Bernie Sanders." Exactly. When the above is referring to cozy relationships with the very cabal that attacks her and "party loyalty" when the party has moved right since her husband's terms in office.

She hasn't fired up anything except opposition to a coronation and the status quo.

The WORLD isn't voting and part of the reasons she's so well known are due to her "friends" in item 1 and their attacks as well her admirable and laudable efforts for women and children every where. But again, the WORLD doesn't get to vote.

Your belief in a sweep is and women getting ready to run is all conjecture. You even acknowledge the women Hillary's sweeping victory will place into office don't exist. Yet. #4 is your opinion and I naturally disagree. My candidate is more qualified, the WORLD knows it. No sniper fire. No war hawking. 100% support for the regular citizens of all walks. Bought and paid for by the people. No TPP. NO CU.

[ancianita]

122. Nuh-uh! That's you.If Bernie wins IA and NH, I'm an full donor like I was for Obama.

If he loses I still vote Democrat, but unlike you and many Bernie supporters here, I'll know who I'm voting for and won't hold my nose over an imperfect candidate.

I'm not even addressing your specious negations here. I've made way more effort here than you have, and your dismissal isn't worth any more of my time or attention. If you can't even try to get some facts on the ground about women's groups getting women candidates ready for the House, I'm done here.

At least act like a Democrat and keep reading other Hillary supporters' effort posts.

Have a good day.

[madokie]

45. Hillary Clinton is not one of us

she is one of the rich and connected 1% and would govern as such.
Thing is she will never be President.

[MaggieD]

46. Actually get things done instead of just....

.... talk about them for 25 years. That's all you really need.

[JonLeibowitz]

56. Well no, not all I need. I don't have millions of cash to give to support her.

[Lil Missy]

47. No response would satisfy you. But then that's the point, isn't it.

[Vincardog]

49. Only 1 has even tried. What is your response?

[tazkcmo]

104. Snark.

Foot stomping. Deflection. Distraction.

Really, though, they'll tell you after she's elected.

[ucrdem]

54. Immigration reform, gun control, diplomacy

documentation on request

[JonLeibowitz]

57. Libya really appreciates US "diplomacy"

[ucrdem]

64. Let's say Bernie takes it.

Who do you think he'd put on his foreign policy team?

[MADem]

66. He'd probably just hand the keys to Russia and China.... nt

[ucrdem]

70. More likely to Bill and Hill

who'd hand them to Barack.

[JonLeibowitz]

74. Kerry, i would hope. Or Jim Webb (his speech at CFR was convincing)

Webb took a strong but noninterventionary position on the middle east. And he spoke well to the challenges we have with china. It was interesting because the next week the NYT did an article sourcing plenty of high ranking defense officials taking a very similar stance on the existing challenges in the region.

[Bread and Circus]

55. Here is 1 very direct thing Bernie could help me with:

Free tuition for college. I have 3 kids yet to enter college. Free tuition would save me tens of thousands of dollars.

[MADem]

63. He could do that if he wrote you a check. I doubt he would have any luck convincing Congress

to pass that legislation.

"Affordable" college is a more realistic dream.

[Bread and Circus]

77. The original post is about proposals. Don't hijack a thread.

And as far as realistic chances goes, you have no idea what is realistic considering the state of our Senate and House.

Despite what you all might think, Hillary Clinton is not magic.

[MADem]

124. Who's hijacking? What you're listing as a proposal is a pipe dream. It will NEVER happen and

anyone would take that sure bet.

I think I have a better idea of what's realistic than you do. And all this "free shit paid for by the rich" is not going to happen. It's a great rabble-rousing tactic, certainly, but it's not "realistic" at all.

[Bread and Circus]

129. Read the OP. It is about proposals. Not what can or cannot be enacted.

And as far as that goes, what magic does Hillary have to enact anything?

She failed on healthcare. Why trust her?

[MADem]

130. Proposals that cannot be enacted are not called "proposals."

They are called fantasies, or pipe dreams.

She moved the ball down the field on healthcare, even if you are loath to admit that.

[Bread and Circus]

131. Then start your own thread, don't hijack this one just because you want to change the question.

I am a doctor and I don't see what she did at all. She was a failure.

It took Obama to get something real done.

[MADem]

132. If you're a doctor and you 'didn't see what she did,' you didn't look very hard.

Your powers of observation could use work.

As for "hijacking this thread," that horse left the barn the minute the snarking and put-downs directed at HRC supporters began, which was shortly after the thread hit the board. No one likes a hostile environment, you should not be surprised there isn't much "play" for this combo throw-down/put-down, given the milieu.

But here, since you wrongly believe she was a "failure," I'll give you some information to correct your wrong-headed POV:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

Giving Hillary Credit for SCHIP
Despite disparagement from political rivals, we find she deserves ample credit for expanding children's health insurance.

....Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children’s health program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

In that same story, The AP’s Beth Fouhy concluded, "While Kennedy is widely viewed as the driving force behind the program, by all accounts the former first lady’s pressure was crucial." She quoted Nick Littlefield, who had been a senior health adviser to Kennedy, as saying, "we relied on her, worked with her and she was pivotal in encouraging the White House to do it."
The AP’s assessment is backed up by others we consulted. Adam Clymer, former chief Washington correspondent for the New York Times, covered the legislative maneuvering and also wrote about it in a 1999 book, "Edward M. Kennedy: A Biography." Clymer wrote that Kennedy "worked with" Hillary Clinton to get White House support for a Senate measure to grant $24 billion for the new program, rather than the $16 billion approved by the House. "With strong administration support, the $24 billion stayed in," he wrote. Then, when the bill finally passed, Kennedy "credited the President, the First Lady, (Senate Democratic Leader Tom) Daschle, Marian Wright Edelman, head of the Children’s Defense Fun, and Hatch. …"
Clymer, in an exchange of e-mails, told FactCheck.org:

Adam Clymer: On balance, I would say of course Kennedy and Hatch deserve most of the credit, but Hillary helped by making sure the Administration stuck with the $24 billion in [the Senate-House] conference. She didn’t write the legislation but she played a significant role in getting it passed.

Other accounts at the time the legislation was passed and since give Clinton substantial credit. The pro-Republican Washington Times newspaper credited (or perhaps more accurately, blamed) Hillary Clinton for the program in a 1997 article. The paper said it had obtained documents from 1993 showing that the White House "plotted" to push a "Kids First" insurance program if Mrs. Clinton’s universal health care proposal failed.....

[Bread and Circus]

134. I think you give Hillary too much credit...sorry.

[MADem]

135. That's not me doing the talking, or the credit assigning, there, Doctor.

Maybe your eyesight needs a check, too.

The entire article is from FACTCHECK.ORG. I'm not the one doing the homework, here--I'm just providing you a link, since, you know, you apparently "missed" all that the first two times it came around.

smh.


Here--a bit more to make the point ENTIRELY clear:

Years later, when Clinton was first running for the Senate, Kennedy’s aide Littlefield was still giving her credit. The New York Times quoted him as saying, ”She was a one-woman army inside the White House to get this done.” He said that when President Clinton himself was showing reluctance to back the new legislation out of fear it would upset a budget deal with Republicans, "We went to Mrs. Clinton and said, ‘You’ve got to get the president to come around on this thing,’ " and she did.
More Than Just Legislating
Moreover, Hillary Clinton took a major role in translating the new law into action. The program leaves to the states the job of setting up coverage and getting children enrolled, a task that continues to be a struggle to this day. In February 1999, after 47 states had set up SCHIP programs, the Clintons launched a drive to "Insure Kids Now." Hillary took the lead, speaking first before her husband in an East Room event at the White House.

Hillary Clinton, Feb. 23, 1999: At least half of all uninsured children are eligible for federal-state health insurance programs, but too often their parents don’t know or don’t believe they qualify. As successful, for example, as Medicaid has been, an estimated 4 million eligible children are still not enrolled.

In April that year the first lady gave a speech saying nearly 1 million children had been enrolled during the previous year, but that increasing the figure was "one of the highest priorities" of her husband’s administration. She said the president would seek $1 billion to fund a five-year "outreach" effort, with a goal of increasing enrollment to 5 million by 2000. Our conclusion: Clinton is right on this one.
– by Brooks Jackson

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

[Sancho]

60. See ya at the caucus (assuming you are honest and check it out).

Of course, your particular circumstances may be indirectly affected more or less, but these are just a few proposals that would meet your criteria of helping people. Of course you can rationalize that nothing is truly "original", but in fact Hillary has been quite creative in helping people as a private citizen and in government. Allowing yourself an escape clause from your challenge would be cheating.

On reason that the majority of women, immigrants, union members, and minorities support Hillary is because of the direct impact she has made on their lives. The sunbelt may have seen this more than the NE and midwest, but the record is easy to find. There are many more, but this is a simple start.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/764
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/1543
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/110th-congress/senate-amendment/1183
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/910
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/21/clinton.trans.retirement/
http://www.state.gov/s/gwi/rls/other/2012/198768.htm
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/841?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22Paycheck+Fairness+Act%22%5D%7D

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/1823?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22S.1823%22%5D%7D

[ancianita]

97. Thank you. The group think around DU about Hillary is unhealthy.

[Sancho]

117. Yep..I agree....glad you noticed

I usually go to other sites than DU. This site has become out of touch with the mainstream progressive and Democratic community. I'm a long time Democrat, union member, and educator. I agree with my union's analysis that Hillary has a history and proposed policies consistent with our values.

In this case, it's easy to find lots of times both in and out of government that Hillary has stood up for people and supported original liberal policies. I thought the OP was a bit of a silly challenge, and I doubt that the author will stick to the bargain, but I happened to see the thread and quickly pasted a few example.

[wildeyed]

119. Which other sites?

I have been here a long time. Primaries have always been rough, but some of the stuff getting spouted here right now is just looney. I am thinking I need to find another place to post if I want to have a rational discussion on anything relating to the primaries.

[Aerows]

61. I see we are still waiting.

I eagerly await what the specifics of her documentated policy platform contains. Other than pictures of Hillary Clinton eating tacos (which I approve of, btw).

I keep hearing she has chops. Let's see 'em!

I want to know the fundamental policy structure she has in mind.

[MADem]

65. What does "original" mean? What, you want us to read her mind or something?

And what does "lite" mean? Most of Sanders' proposals do not have a hope in hell of passing Congress. If "realistic" means "lite' you will wait all day. Your "rules" are constructed to ensure that you can reject any proposals a Clinton supporter brings forward. Maybe you need to dial back your 'conditions.' That said, I will bite:

She'll nominate Supreme Court justices that won't roll back the clock on key issues of import to the Democratic demographic, and will put social justice at the forefront of their decision making processes. These nominees WILL pass Senate scrutiny, because they will be well vetted and prepared for the gauntlet.

She will push for affordable college tuition and will have a better chance of getting it than a pipe dream like "Pie In The Sky Free Tuition For All." Even if you don't need this, it might help relatives, or friends. What it will do, too, is improve the skillsets of people in your community, making them more employable. More skilled workers attract more jobs. More jobs mean a better economy.

She will nominate a capable, experienced cabinet and executive branch officials. I wouldn't be surprised if Elizabeth Warren ends up as Fed Chair during a Clinton administration. I think Sanders would make a respectable Labor Secretary, and he might be ready to do that kind of thing at this stage in his life.

But seriously-- don't caucus for her if you don't like her. Support whosoever you choose in the primary.

[akbacchus_BC]

67. I do not live in the US but I will vote for Mrs. Clinton if Trump is the nominee!

What kind of question is that - a Democrat is 100% better than a republican. Remember, even though Canada is major conservative, we managed to elect Mr. Justin Trudeau. He is our Obama!

[Vincardog]

149. WTF are you talking about Trump for? What has that got to do with HRC's proposals?

[Gloria]

69. Here's a couple of rundowns that are easy to find if you get off your butt and do a simple search...

I'm sure she could come up with a couple of ideas that would help someone even in the face of the GOP...

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/leslie-marshall/2014/02/19/hillary-clintons-accomplishments-speak-for-themselves

"Although her major initiative, the Clinton health care plan failed, it certainly set the groundwork for the health care law we have today, the Affordable Care Act. And she played a leading role in advocating the creation of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which provides state support for children whose parents cannot provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also played a leading role in creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act. She encouraged older women to seek a mammogram for early detection of breast cancer (which is covered by Medicare) and successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the NIH. She worked to investigate illnesses that were reportedly affecting Veterans of the Gulf War; now commonly known as Gulf War Syndrome. And she created an Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. She is also the first first lady to hold a post graduate degree, and she traveled to more countries than any other first lady had at that time."
As a U.S. senator, she was the first first lady to be elected to this office. She was instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment. She subsequently took a leading role in investigating the health issues that 9/11 first responders were facing.

After visiting soldiers in Iraq, Clinton noted that the insurgency had failed to disrupt the democratic elections held earlier, and that parts of the country were functioning well. Noting that war deployments were draining regular and reserve forces, she cointroduced legislation to increase the size of the regular Army by 80,000 soldiers to ease the strain and supported retaining and improving health benefits for veterans. She also she introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act."

***
She also worked hard in the state of Arkansas...esp with regards to education...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/11/hillary-clinton-arkansas_n_7258956.html
Before issuing challenges, people should get off their butts a do a minimal amount of searching .....and learn something...

While Sanders was drifting around for 16 years before becoming a career politician, Clinton was working ...

[840high]

71. I'm thinking - give me a few days or months.

I want to see what Hillary says next week - it all changes so quickly.

[Basic LA]

73. Republican House & Senate

If a Dem does get elected, they'll face an obstructionist wall just waiting to block all their high-flying "proposals."

[Art_from_Ark]

75. If the Dem has good coattails, we can at least take back the Senate

[Basic LA]

78. Right You Are.

It's our only hope.

[Major Hogwash]

79. At the very least!!

But, the haters got to hate, so it ain't going to be easy.

[Tortmaster]

76. Wow. You're just as bossy as Senator Sanders!

Just kidding.

1. Secretary Clinton has made it known to millions of people on live TV that one of her main enemies is the NRA. Senator Sanders, on the other hand, has said, "I am pro-gun," and he has said that gun control is a state's rights issue. This one's a no-brainer, as Senator Sanders' hawkish domestic policy on guns has aided and abetted our sick gun culture. Way, way more than 13 million people have been gun victims since the Senator from Vermont first voted against the Brady Bill. (And he ended up voting against a form of the Brady Bill five times).

2. All of Senator Sanders' state's rights positions are anathema to Democrats. For example, with health care, he wants the states to administer his plan. Has he not seen what Republican Governors have done to Medicaid Expansion, killing 17,000 people per year who didn't have to die, and bankrupting 61,000+ per year in Texas alone. His plan is a big fuck you to Democrats in Southern states.

3. If you are not a minority or woman, then your friends or family who are would benefit from a Clinton Presidency. Senator Sanders has basically brushed off certain issues so that he can focus on one issue. That's not what a President does (or is able to do). We are a little over a month since Senator Sanders hired a coordinator to help with Hispanic outreach in the primary. That should have been the first, second or third card he pulled out of his Rolodex when he first planned to run for President.

4. If you want to get something done on Education, for example, a President Clinton has a feasible plan. Senator Sanders plan--and he actually said this out loud on television--was to have "a million" or so "young people" march on Washington, D.C. Can you see some potential flaws with the Senator's plans?

5. To get anything done, you have to win the general. The most likely combination, in my opinion, a dream ticket of Secretaries Clinton and Castro would crush the Electoral College; whereas, our friend, Senator Sanders, would be slandered by a billion dollars of GOP ad money in Ohio and Florida and would lose those states and others, in the mold of a McGovern or Dukakis.

6. &tc....

(How does spell check on democraticunderground.com not recognize the name "Dukakis" or, for that matter, "democraticunderground.com"?)

[99Forever]

81. So you can't provide the answers to the question asked.

You could have just said so and saved yourself typing the obfuscation.

[Tortmaster]

87. Pretending that I did not answer the question ...

... is not an effective response from you.

[99Forever]

88. Pretending you did answer the question...

... just makes you look silly. Bye bye.

[MADem]

137. The arc of this thread.

1. Make a demand couched in hostile and snarky language.
2. Immediately rally minions who start carping about how these losers don't respond quickly enough to what clearly, in the eyes of some, notwithstanding big news about shootings at PP centers and other topics far more worthy of discussion--and on a holiday week, too (stop preparing that side dish and attend to this IMPORTANT THREAD!!) is The Most Critical Thread In The Whole Wide World...EVER. Really. I MEAN it!!!.
3. Completely ignore people who do, despite the rude goading comments, respond.
4. Alternatively, make fun of their responses, call them "not good enough."
5. When challenged as to 3 or 4, duck out.

And they wonder why they get so few responses...!

Combative and snarling is just no way to run a campaign. I don't think Senator Sanders appreciates this strategy one bit--I'd say they're doing a fine job, with this kind of baiting, creating the staunchest possible supporters for SECSTATE Clinton. No one likes a bully!

[Tortmaster]

154. I think you have detected ...

... a pattern. Cheers!

[Le Taz Hot]

120. LOL!

That was right off the assembly line.

[seabeyond]

80. I will tell you one, that will take care of the other two, seeing that Sanders and Clinton are so

close on issues.

She will be able to get things passed and get things done that will work for all of us, while Sanders record and ideas prove otherwise. He himself says he cannot get what he wants done. Clinton knows she will be able to get things done.

That will take care of 2 and 3 also.

[ancianita]

102. Agreed. She has more past accomplishment and better legislative networks than Bernie.

[Floyd Steinberg]

145. Wrong

Bernie is the amendment king, and has brought forth a VA bill that was bipartisan and needed. Clinton accomplished naming two post office and a bridge (named after Tim Russert) as the sole sponsor. Bernie have accomplished a lot behind the scenes and I, for one, trust him in dealing with Congress and has a better coattail.

[ancianita]

150. Hillary's been at least as much behind the scenes as Bernie.

[PowerToThePeople]

83. depends how you look at it.

She may make you extremely self sufficient out of necessity by lack of external supports.

She may make you move to a higher state of mind by putting off the troubles of this physical existence of never ending war and corporate poisoning of our environment.

She may make you fight for a better political system after showing the extreme faults of a two party system.

[Hekate]

84. Nice offer. Do you live in Iowa?

Hard to caucus for anyone there if you do not.

[Vincardog]

86. I have for years. Thanks for your concern

[Zorra]

100. So, are you saying that particular answer has not convinced you to

caucus for Clinton, based on the criteria you posted in the OP?

[ericson00]

89. for one, be elected president.

you kinda need to do that first.

[Vincardog]

90. Snark is not a policy. How would her election make my life better?

[treestar]

92. I never think in those terms

the POTUS is not responsible for improving my life. They need to sign/veto laws and run the executive branch is such as way as to benefit all of the people overall as best they can. There are many diverse people in our country and I have never expected the POTUS or indeed any elected official to focus on me.

[Vincardog]

94. "to benefit all of the people overall" includes me the PERSON in my post. So how do you see HRC

benefiting "all of the people overall"?

[onecaliberal]

111. She will do NOTHING to help climate change. We are making this planet uninhabitable

For humans. There will be no congress, no POTUS or scouts when everyone is dead. Voting for someone who will not address this issue is voting against humanity itself.

[riversedge]

113. You claim Hillary has not addressed chimate change!! You did not do your homework at all.

A quick google search says you are wrong. Please read the specifics before you post more foolish posts. Andy BTW--she is talking about her plans on the campaign trail also.


Search Results

Hillary Clinton on Energy & Oil - On The Issues
www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Energy_+_Oil.htm

It's true that the Energy Policy Act contained $14.3 billion in tax breaks, but most went to electric utilities for such things as incentives for new transmission lines ...

Hillary Clinton Releases A Plan To Modernize America's ...
thinkprogress.org/.../hillary-clinton-energy-infrastructure/

ThinkProgress
Sep 23, 2015 - Hillary Clinton Releases A Plan To Modernize America's Energy ... “American energy policy is about more than a single pipeline to transport ...


Hillary Clinton unveils her plan to make US 'clean energy ...
www.theguardian.com › Environment › Climate change


The Guardian
Sep 24, 2015 - Hillary Clinton unveils her plan to make US 'clean energy superpower' ... with respect to energy policy – such as her opposition to Keystone.
[PDF]Hillary Clinton climate change fact sheet
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/.../Hillary_Clinton_Climate_Change_Fact...


Hillary Clinton's Vision for Renewable Power – Briefing Fact Sheet. Hillary Clinton announced ... 2) The United States will generate enough clean renewable energy to power every home in .... change, making it a key U.S. foreign policy priority.
Hillary Clinton's Vision for Modernizing North American ...
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/.../hillary-clinton-vision-for-modernizing...
Sep 23, 2015 - And the amount of energy required to perform those tasks has fallen thanks to historic advances in efficiency. Our policies and infrastructure ...

[ancianita]

114. Yeah, these Bernie supporters don't even live up to basic party effort for all the candidates.

Thanks for your post.

BTW, I'm a Bernie supporter, and I hate when fellow Democrats make themselves look as lazy and uninformed as the GOP voters they decry.

[Hepburn]

115. Ummmmmmmmm....

....er........well........hmmmmmmm....???

Cannot think of a thing she would do to make anything better, but can think of a lot worse that she most likely will do. Hint: Banks and the MIC.

JMHO

[ucrdem]

116. "Ask not what your country can do for you. . . "

Neither Sanders or Clinton is second coming of JFK but in terms of who is most qualified to carry on the Democratic programs (anti-poverty, civil rights, full employment) and policies (anti-war, pro-national sovereignty) he launched back in 1961 it would have to be Clinton. Sanders has a nice swag bag of ideas but they're basically slogans, not legislative proposals ("Resolved: Break up the big banks&quot . Anyway you've gotten plenty of Clinton policy proposals so far so better dust off the ol' Clinton campaign button.

Hope you had a nice TG!

[leftyladyfrommo]

121. I am single white female with no kids

No one ever does anything for us. We pay full taxes for everything.

I have SS now and Medicare. First time I'very ever gotten anything special from the government that I know of.

[Rose Siding]

126. Poor you. Did you go to school?

Ever live in a safe neighborhood, like one without roving bandits? Have you ever had fire dept or police dept assistance? Does the road you drive down destroy the shocks on your car? Are the speed limits posted, streets well lit? Is everyone else on the road required to learn how to drive? Were the people who you do business with at the grocery or other retail stores educated at public schools in order to learn basic math? Do you have access to good food and water?

I think there are a lot of "special" things we all get and take for granted.

[Vincardog]

128. Kick for the weekend crowd

[lovemydog]

138. Here's 4.

1. Improve the roads you drive on.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes/

2. Make the air you breathe cleaner.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

3. Make your health care more affordable.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

4. Expand your freedom to ask non-leading questions.
http://www.mediacollege.com/journalism/interviews/leading-questions.html

[99Forever]

139. Rule 2:

"2) The proposal has to be original as in not a lite version of someone else's proposal."

[lovemydog]

140. That's why I added #4.

[99Forever]

141. So since you couldn't meet the challenge...

...you tried to stack the deck.

No wonder you are a Clinton supporter. Birds of a feather...

[lovemydog]

142. You can't see how those are leading questions?

Try harder. I've got faith in you man!

[MADem]

144. No matter what you say, it won't be enough.

This whole thread is a "Snark at Clinton Supporters" exercise. The thread starter has no intention of caucusing for Clinton, and wouldn't help her cause in any event. This is simply a "poke fun" exercise, and one worth bookmarking to reference come Super Tuesday. Some of the mean-spirited comments are worth remembering.

[lovemydog]

151. I know. Just leading questions

that insult the intelligence of undecideds like me. Oh well. It kind of makes me feel Clinton or O'Malley may be more effective at implementing policy that benefits the large majority. Diplomatic skills are required to build the coalitions necessary to achieve those goals.

[99Forever]

148. Apparently...

... when caught dodging questions, the Camp Weathervane way is to put words in the person's mouth that caught them.

How about this word?:

Strawman.

[moobu2]

146. Bernie's 'proposals' are nothing more than empty promises

he knows he can not deliver even if he got himself elected, which he will not.

[Chan790]

147. Hillary will improve my life if elected!

Three ways:
1.) Hillary will lower my taxes. (My taxes are already too fucking low thanks to her husband, Dubya and Reagan.)

2.) My family fortunes come from real estate investment and defense manufacturing. We can be sure Hillary will not fix capital gains so we'll be able to continue to shield millions of dollars of investment returns from taxation. Hillary's militarism will insure years of increased defense spending which means we sell more implements of death to the USDoD and make more implements of death that will be given to bad people to use against us for the next 30 years!!

3.) Hillary opposes real healthcare reform. Being that I live in the suburbs of Hartford, CT where insurance is the main industry, this is a huge boon for my local economy! Y'all are going to have to continue to pay companies like Aetna and Cigna here in CT billions of dollars for nothing! Billions of dollars into my local economy!

Hillary is great for me, but I still oppose her. I oppose her policies, I oppose her platform, agenda and the people she really works for. I loathe the fact that she's married to Bill Clinton who in his time post elected-office has become like the non-brain-damaged son he never had to GHWB. I know whose side Hillary is on...and it's not ours. It's the side of PNAC, the MIC, neo-cons and Wall St.

[Maedhros]

152. Hillary supporters don't care.

It's a vanity candidacy to elect a celebrity.

[Vincardog]

153. I am looking for any positive appeal for her candidacy.

[Vincardog]

155. Any more coments today?