Would you vote for Hillary if Trump was the Republican nominee?

[CreekDog]

38 votes, 5 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Yes, I'd vote for Hillary if she was the Democratic nominee and Trump was the Republican nominee
	29 (76%)
	No, I would not vote for Hillary if she was the Democratic nominee and Trump was the Republican nominee
	9 (24%)
	5 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Mass]

1. I would vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. This should be a no brainer here.

The idea that any of these Republican idiots becomes POTUS is frightening in its own right.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. No brainer is right...but luckily we'll be voting for Bernie, who would trounce tRump in a general election.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[MH1]

70. Currently 14 DU posters have no brain, then. nt.

[okasha]

133. That's a fair assessment.

[pangaia]

135. I have a brain. I live in NY.

I would not be forced to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

[MineralMan]

2. Regardless of who the GOP nominee is, I'll be voting for Hillary,

if she is the Democratic nominee, as I expect her to be.

[tularetom]

4. Voting is a private matter

Thats why they put a curtain around the voting machines.

[CreekDog]

30. That's not what you said in July when I asked the same question

[tularetom]

31. Ask it again next July and you'll get the same answer you got today

[stevenleser]

48. And apparently I'm the only DUer not allowed to change their mind. nt

[rogerashton]

5. I am astonished

that even one person answered "no."

[NurseJackie]

17. I'm not.

And based on a recent post with advice to Bernie supporters on the acceptable "code talk" for indicating they'd not vote for Hillary if she were the nominee, I'm inclined to believe that the "no answer" clicks can be included among the "no" votes.

[SunSeeker]

27. It's up to 5 now.

[Hortensis]

36. Anti-Hillarys likely include DU's anti-Democrats, anti-liberal far left,

and conservatives, especially if male. I would have been astonished too before I realized just how reactionary and radically different in ideology some of the people who've come here are. Their posts tell us, though.

[BainsBane]

56. They aren't leftists

Leftists don't want Trump as president.

[Hortensis]

68. Well, remember, anti-liberal leftists are extremists, and

extremists from both the left and right have far more in common with each other than they do with more moderate people. That's why crossover is as common as it is.

For extremists, issues are black and white, they are absolutely and unquestioning sure of their rightness, they love to demonize the opposition, and they are very antiestablishment, intending to destroy and replace, not fix.

Any of those ring a bell around here? Or when we think of the GOP base? First comes all that passion and energy, which creates a need for something to hitch it to...

I just also remember those hyper-ardent Hillary followers who fell away when Obama took the primary, refusing to vote for him. Many of them ended up voting Republican.

[LiberalArkie]

77. I think (I hope) that not voting for Obama was a more southern thing.

Because the ones so gungho for Hillary in 2008 could not vote for "that man" meaning his color. I hope that way of thinking is over. And I hope we are over "the woman's place is in the home" era, I want to believe we are maturing at least a little bit. But never can tell.

[Hortensis]

83. It'll never be over, tho, right? It may be something else -- maybe

could never vote for someone from Wisconsin, but that's part of human nature -- some are genetically loaded with strong doses of antagonism to what is seen as different. All we can do is try to tamp it down. Regarding that last, like you I do think environmental factors are "maturing." We may be only averaging 687 steps forward for 686 steps back, but it's progress.

Regarding southern, I was fascinated to learn that people and societies in hotter climates average more conservative than in cooler around the planet, not just in our country. Something to do with societal survival in challenging conditions. I know many of my fellow Southerners would not be happy to have their conservatism described as having a common root with that of North Africa and the Middle East, but so it is.

[LiberalArkie]

84. It may be that in the warmer climates it is possible to grow your own food etc.

Take care of yourself and be independent. Whereas in the colder climates the people have to help one another to survive.

[Hortensis]

85. I bet those have something to do with it, yes.

The main factors I remember are increased danger from diseases -- have to be very careful about letting strangers get near your village or family, and scarcity of water. If you had it, you had to be prepared to fight to keep it.

[CreekDog]

95. don't forget that most people live in urban areas

without much area, and many times, no area to grow food (much less tend to it after jobs, commutes, children and family are taken care of).

and furthermore, 1 out of 5 people live in California.

during this drought water usage has to be reduced, by 8-25% on average, and considering that much of California goes without measurable rain for 6 months at a time, not to mention, during the growing season, the idea that these folks are going to be growing their food is a bit unrealistic.

we are all, regardless of the weather, dependent upon civilization.

anyone else who thinks we can survive the collapse of civilization is neglecting the fact that while some can survive, even if many people are prepared, you can COUNT on the loss of a significant portion of the population because of the loss of things like proper healthcare, sanitation, the increase in crime, malnutrition and to put it more bluntly, famines during times of bad weather and famines due to non natural causes.

in the earth's history, humankind has never pulled off a low mortality rate and lifespan of 80+ years without civilization.

you can bet that we would see a substantial die off without it.

and i don't care how much gold people buy, how much canned food they put in their basements, how many guns they have, etc.

[Chan790]

105. Which is why I voted "yes"...

and I think my "I hate Hillary" credentials are above reproach.

Trump v. Clinton is choice between a neo-Thatcherite (and Thatcher was a neo-Churchillite) and an ever increasingly apparent Nazi. That's an easy choice...we just need to remember to throw her ass out of office in the primaries 4 years from now.

[BainsBane]

111. Such a view completely ignores issues and policy

in view of some personal reaction.

[Chan790]

114. You'd prefer I didn't vote for her?

If she's running against Trump, I'm voting for her but only because I wouldn't put it past him to put my non-binary, hard-of-hearing ass into some sort of forced-labor death camp. Self-preservation is a logical choice; if you hadn't noticed he's increasingly talking like and proposing things directly out of Hitler's master plan.

You've confused my attention to issues that matter to me (self-preservation) for whatever you're on about. I pay attention to the issues...the issue that makes me favor her only over Trump is that he's an actual fascist. Given a choice between an real fascist and an fake Democrat...I'll choose the Democratic poser.

I also pay attention to issues of economics, socialized medicine, trade and lots of other things that I vociferously disagree with Hillary on and which her opinions render her as poor of a choice for my support as Jeb! or Dr. Crazypants.

[riversedge]

120. You may need some sweet honey

to sweeten up you attitude. but hope you have a happy day anyway and am glad you will vote. Thanks.

[snooper2]

40. They probably don't even vote anyway so it doesn't matter

some people like to play Socialist Warrior on the intertubes-

[yardwork]

108. So true. Some are paid to play Socialist Warrior on the intertubes. And some are fervent volunteers.

In my experience, the people who think that Putin is fabulous and North Korea is a wonderful place don't even bother to register to vote. They spend most of their time fighting with other far-leftists about which ideology is the purest. They talk a lot about volunteering to help out the oppressed but they never get around to actually doing it.

[99Forever]

112. How does a person get one of those Paying Socialist Warrior on the intertubes jobs?

I could sure use the fucking income, seeing how as thanks to "Great Recovery" going 99% to the Top .01%, and being mandated to buy "health insurance" I can't afford to use, we are on the verge of losing the home we've been paying on since 1999.

So, smart guy, where do I apply for that sit on my ass , post, and get paid thingie? Please hurry with your answer, the mortgage is due.

[yardwork]

113. I wouldn't know, and I'm a gal, not a guy.

[99Forever]

116. You're the one making the accusation.

Perhaps you can explain where you pulled it from?


Or perhaps you could do the right thing and explain that you don't know what it is that made you make such an personally insulting insinuation and apologize.

[yardwork]

117. Why are you taking such a general observation so personally?

It is common knowledge that there are paid shills and disruptors on political boards. I didn't accuse any particular poster - and certainly not you - of being one. I'm simply observing that they are certainly here.

[99Forever]

118. You made a SPECIFIC accusation.

When asked to support it, you had nothing.

If it's "common knowledge" then providing evidence of it should be no problem. You can't.

So apologize or play the fool.

Your choice.

[yardwork]

122. I'm sorry that my post upset you. It was not directed at you or any specific poster.

I'm sorry that you are going through a difficult time.

[99Forever]

127. It was directed at Sanders supporters. I am one.

It's a fucking personal insult any way you cut it. Your non-apology is not accepted.

[yardwork]

130. Actually, it wasn't directed at Sanders supporters.

If you read my posts you'll see that Sanders isn't mentioned. He's not mentioned in the OP either. The whole thread is about Trump and Clinton.

[99Forever]

131. Oh please.

Now you insult my intelligence. Welcome to ignored.

[yardwork]

134. If my posts are going to upset you this much, putting me on ignore us a good idea.

You seem intent on finding insult where none was intended.

[CreekDog]

121. +10000000000000000000

[yardwork]

123. Thanks, Creekdog.

How you doing?

[CreekDog]

126. I am okay in general and glad you posted. Happy Thanksgiving!

About DU, I think it has continually losing its diversity, not so much politically, but demographically and this is having predictable results and resulting in a Democratic forum that is hostile to a candidate that is the leading candidate among liberals and the party in general.

It was never enough to just protect DU from trolls, it was necessary to protect the demographic minorities from the majority. People always think we can stop the effects of racism and harm of minorities by going after it in other ways, and they're always wrong.

I also look at the "no" votes and see almost all men and a fair number of DUers considered to the right of average here.

[yardwork]

132. A lot of right wingers flooded DU in recent years.

After Trayvon Martin was murdered, it seemed like a portal opened up on DU from white supremacist sites. There are also men's rights types here.

A lot of the hostility directed at Hillary comes from people who are frightened of strong women.

I have seen posts on DU that support Trump's most extreme positions.

And there are extreme leftists as well, which is what my post unthread was about. I've known them in real life and they are not reasonable.

[Starry Messenger]

57. I'm not.

Several have stated that their life circumstances will stay comfortable even with the GOP taking our country off the cliff. Must be nice.

[CreekDog]

60. often a luxury of white, male or economic privilege

[Starry Messenger]

62. Shhh. We're not allowed to point that out.

I have it on excellent authority that all who nobly withdraw their support in fighting the far right are all humble stevedores.

[davidn3600]

106. Anyone upper class has absolutely nothing to worry about if it is Trump vs Hillary

They both favor the rich.

[yardwork]

109. Did you ever read a story by Edgar Allen Poe called "The Masque of the Red Death"?

I recommend it. We all have a lot to fear if Trump becomes president.

Suggesting that Hillary is similar to Trump is just silly.

[davidn3600]

110. When it comes to their positions concerning Wall Street...they are the same

Notice how the super rich is flooding Hillary with money?

You think they are doing that so she can get in office and help the poor and unemployed?

[yardwork]

115. She'll do a lot better than any Republican.

And yes, I think it's a travesty that the very wealthy have bought our country. We need more liberals in the Supreme Court so we can overturn Curizens United, for starters.

[Lil Missy]

81. It's a childish temper tantrum. n/t

[Vincardog]

6. Desperation shows why not ask HRC vs Atila the Hun? Would you vote for her then? Vote no get banned

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. I wouldn't vote for either of them. My ballot comes with other choices.

[William769]

8. I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee no matter what

Because Hillary is going to make a great President!

[CreekDog]

75. I'm with you there

[riversedge]

87. well said.

[freshwest]

90. And Trump would have his jackboots kill a lot of us. Really. n/t

[NastyRiffraff]

9. Another Democrat for the Democratic nominee!

For me, this is a given. I think it will be Hillary, but I'll certainly vote for the Dem nominee whoever it is. To do otherwise is to effectively vote for the Republican, which is unacceptable.

[randome]

10. A thought experiment.

What if, a day before the election, the entire Democratic party was wiped out by a meteorite? (They were all getting ice cream at the same ColdStone's, let's say.)

No time to field alternatives, the only course is to vote for a Republican. Those of you who declare you know evil when you see it...would this change your mind? Between Trump and Cruz, would you vote for the lesser of two evils then?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[artislife]

13. Heh

The way the ice cream tastes there, I can totally see it being fire bombed by god!

[randome]

15. Well, I'm no connoisseur but I like the Founder's Favorite waffle bowl!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[artislife]

18. I can respect that!

I am a mint chocolate chip kind of gal and I like the local (Oregon, sure but it is PNW) Umpqua brand.

[upaloopa]

29. How about if Jesus Christ came down land ran would

you vote for him? Just as likely

[randome]

35. If it was between giving up my own life to worship someone's father under threat of torture...

...and voting for someone who might not be everything I'd want in a President...I'd choose the non-magical candidate every time.
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[stevenleser]

49. That's about the only situation in which I would vote Green for President. I hope others would too.

But I get what you are getting at. I think the lesser of two evils there is definitely Trump.

[KingCharlemagne]

11. Sanders supporter here. Sometimes, as adults, we must vote

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AGAINST the greater evil. In this scenario, voting against the fascist Trump is a moral obligation.

[brooklynite]

14. So Clinton is an "evil"...just not as bad?

[KingCharlemagne]

98. Clinton is a capitalist, Trump a fascist. I am a

Socialist.

Clinton is my class' enemy, but Trump is a mortal enemy. Get the picture?

[brooklynite]

12. UNREC

Why would I not vote for the Democratic nominee regardless?

[randome]

16. You're just not polarised enough!

You'd think if a polar bear and a penguin can pull together, DUers could, too, but...


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[freshwest]

91. In the scenario set out, if BS was nominated, it'd be just as wrong to not vote for him. Too bad

the feeling is not reciprocal. It's not about the candidates, no matter how fond we may be of one or the other. It's about platform and policy.

If someone won't vote for the Democrat, they are not a Democrat. Period. They need to work for their man or woman or whatever and quit messing with us. I'm not buying what they're selling.

[Alfresco]

19. You mean I can't vote more than once?

Why can't this be like some of those online polls?

[bigwillq]

20. No

I don't intend to vote for Hillary or Trump.
I live in CT, the DEM will win my state regardless of how I vote. I will be satisified if the D wins, regardless of who that D is.

[randome]

22. Even then, your vote can add to what is hoped to be a loud repudiation of the GOP.

The greater the margin of victory, the greater their despair. Which is all the better, IMO.
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[CreekDog]

76. So your form of integrity is to let others vote for her so you don't have to

That doesn't sound as stand-up as you think.

[randome]

80. Standing up by sitting down.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[moobu2]

21. Once Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary

most of his supporters will vote for her.

[dlwickham]

26. I wouldn't be so sure about that

but then again, I doubt too many of those would have voted for her anyway

[restorefreedom]

46. i do not think that is a safe assumptiom

this is a big antiestablishment year. many bernie supporters are young and not happy with typical politics. if they feel another typical pol is getting the nom, they might stay home or vote green.

[MH1]

71. Which means they don't understand how the American electoral system works.

Or that they don't give a damn if the republican wins.

[restorefreedom]

72. most states are solidly red or blue

and for a lot of people, the vote that counts the most is the primary vote. i would prefer chucking the ec, but as long as it is with us, many feel that their ge vote is meaningless and not determinative.

[Ino]

23. No, I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee. (nt)

[Bucky]

24. I would vote for Jim Webb if Trump was the nominee

Hell, I would vote for Bill Cosby if Trump was the nominee

[dogknob]

25. I'll vote Green before I cast a 5th consecutive "hostage vote."

That's just for President. Here in California, we vote hostage every time Feinstein is up, too.

Sick. Of. It.

[99Forever]

28. Nunya.

[NurseJackie]

34. Understood. (I saw a copy of the advisory memo too.)

[mythology]

32. I will gladly vote for any of the three Democratic candidates wins the nomination

The Republican candidates range from bad to terrifying.

The minor differences between Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley pale in comparison to the gulf between them and the Republican field.

[mikehiggins]

33. Absolutely. I'd vote for Rex the Wonder Dog rather than any of the GOPukes n/t

[winter is coming]

37. Where's the option for "not this shit again"? n/t

[pinebox]

38. Nope

I won't vote for either.

[INdemo]

39. A better choice for the voters wold be for Hillary

To switch parties and run as a Republiczn.There is still time.She has the right wing money behind her and she would no doubt get more support from them.
She could capture enough votes to win the Republucan nomination.
Then Democrats would have a clear choice
Now that would bring the liberals to the polls by the millions

[SwampG8r]

41. its hypothetical so i hypothetically voted no

Wont ever happen

[Renew Deal]

42. A lot of Trump supporters on DU

[MoonRiver]

43. Bottom line n/t

[Reter]

54. No one answered they would vote for Trump

I suspect all the "no" votes are either staying home or voting 3rd Party.

[BainsBane]

55. That IS voting for Trump

And it requires making a decision that they prefer him as President to Clinton.

[Reter]

79. No it does not

The two-Party monopoly has really got to you. Voting Third Party simply means you are not happy with the Democratic or Republican candidates.

[AtomicKitten]

45. It's a trap!

[TheFarseer]

61. That's Awesome

hadn't seen that one yet!

[senz]

50. What a horrible choice. Two authoritarians.

[Politicalboi]

51. ONLY if she is the ONLY choice

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. I will for any Democratic nominee for President.

[BainsBane]

53. Clearly for some, the well being of the nation pales in comparison

to their own egos. I guess it's good they have the GOP as an outlet for their narcissism, and Trump is the prefect candidate to enable them to express their inner selves.

Hey, but they'll get a tax cut and have the pleasure of watching people of color killed for amusement. How can they be expected to pass that up?

At least the children of the upper middle class won't be expected to work ten hours a week to contribute to their own education, like Clinton proposes. And Trump will save them from universal early childhood ed and addressing K-12 disparities that enable generations of poverty. That sort of tyranny is clearly unacceptable for the Trump "progressive." But they'll be "taking America back" from the riff raff, and that's what really matters.

[CreekDog]

59. Seems like almost everyone saying they won't vote for Hillary are men

[Jamaal510]

58. The "no" responses

need to be looked at by the admins. There's no reason for a person on Democratic Underground to not vote for the nominee (especially against Trump), no matter who it is. It's telling that this poll isn't 100% yes.

[demwing]

65. no it tells us nothing

except that maybe some people are tired of these silly guilt polls

Alert away

[CreekDog]

74. I didn't say anything about feeling guilty

must be something in your mind.

[demwing]

82. You didn't have to - it's that transparant

it's not a guilt poll because I FEEL guilty, it's a guilt poll because I'm SUPPOSED to feel guilty - and it doesn't even work, so you just doubled the fail per message ratio.

[CreekDog]

92. No, you're responsible for your own feelings

I don't cause them or else everyone would have the same kind after viewing the poll.

[demwing]

93. Of course I am, which is why your Guilt Poll fails

Again, it's not a guilt poll because I FEEL guilty, it's a guilt poll because I'm SUPPOSED to feel guilty.

[stevenleser]

66. Yep. All of what you wrote. Nt

[Lil Missy]

136. I agree. They don't belong on DEMOCRATIC Underground and should be put out of their misery. n/t

[phleshdef]

63. Well at least 88% of us have a god damn brain in our head, lol.

[demosincebirth]

64. Dumb poll.

[pintobean]

67. Typical CD poll

[CreekDog]

69. what is wrong with asking?

over 100 people participated, do you have an issue with that?

[freshwest]

89. The focus isn't on you CD, for most of us, it's about our country. Good polling question. n/t

[joshcryer]

102. A simple no-bullshit poll?

I'd like to see more CreekDog polls, then. When I had a star I posted simple, no-nonsense polls all the time. If there's anything more annoying it's pointless push polls or agenda driven polls.

I'd like to see other polls with O'Malley and Sanders.

[JTFrog]

73. I see 14 people so far that don't belong on DU.

Thanks for the poll.

[MineralMan]

78. Well, as flypaper, this poll works very well.

Otherwise, it doesn't seem that useful to me. I voted Yes, but changed it to decline to answer, due to that.

[CreekDog]

99. You're saying that in GD-P it is wrong to ask if people on DU will vote for the frontrunner

if she gets the nomination and runs against the Republican frontrunner.

you're saying that it is somehow wrong or disruptive to actually ask people if they'd vote for the nominee.

you seem pretty confused about what GD-P is for.

[Romulox]

86. Be very, very quiet!

[Matthew28]

88. yes

Not that I agree with her on everything, but because going back to the 18th century like some in the republican party feel we need to go is a bad idea...

[99Forever]

94. Still nunya.

[AtomicKitten]

97. nunya

bidness? yep!!!

[99Forever]

100. Exactly.

[AtomicKitten]

137. Happy Thanksgiving.

[davidn3600]

96. The fact we could have an election of Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump....

....makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

I can't believe that these two are the best people in this country to be president.

[RiverLover]

101. Its rather pathetic, isn't it.

[Kalidurga]

103. So it was your turn to post this poll today

whose turn is it tomorrow or do you just draw a name out of a hat?

[CreekDog]

138. Today is Thursday, I posted the poll on Tuesday

Can't even get the day of the week correct can you?

Not surprised you've gotten that wrong, since your implied accusation that I'm doing it as part of some coordinated campaign with others, which I'm not, is also just as wrong.



and it's also interesting to me that you seem to think it would be some sort of terrible thing if someone actually was volunteering or a staff person on Hillary's campaign and *dared* do something for her campaign on DU.

as if supporting Hillary is some sort of terrible sin for a liberal Democrat.

this is how you know I'm not working for her because I call that kind of accusation total bullshit right there.

[Kalidurga]

139. It's Thanksgiving try to be happy.

[Chan790]

104. Grudgingly.

I despise Hillary the oligarch...but Trump is a dyed-in-the-shitty-Chinese-wool-of-his-suits fascist.

That's an easy choice: Thatcher or Hitler. Criminy, Churchhill is a global hero to this day for his part in facing down the Nazis and his post-war domestic policies made Thatcher look compassionate in comparison.

[Android3.14]

107. Sounds like someone is making a list

Shame on you.

Is this what we can expect from a Clinton administration?

[CreekDog]

129. Nice conspiracy theory, there are no lists

besides, who would want to be on a list when a Republican appoints the Supreme Court justices that reverse same sex marriage rulings and end legal abortion?

I assume their arguments that Hillary is a Republican will be even less convincing if that happens.

[RiverLover]

119. The Democratic Party seems to no longer represents me, by pushing the ultimate corporate candidate

She is a DINO, the most powerful I've seen in my life. She's taking our party down & I will have no part of it.

If she is our nom, I will be voting Green Party Jill Stein & will remain with the Green Party until such time The Democrats begin working for the People of the US again & not Moneyed Interests.

All of my efforts will be towards getting $$ out of our govt.

Every problem this country has can be traced to corruption in the govt....no I will not vote for the Queen of Moneyed Corruption.

[CreekDog]

124. Hillary has more support than Sanders at this point, period

you want to make it sound like some conspiracy, but the fact is your candidate has less support among ordinary Democratic voters and that's why he is not winning this race.

I'm disappointed I have to be blunt but when this bullsh*t conspiracy overlooks popular support of Hillary, in fact, especially among the minority constituencies of the party, definitely not on average rich or even super rich, I gotta call that nonsense out.

[yardwork]

125. Hillary's record indicates that she is a strong progressive.

There are a lot of DINOs out there, but Hillary Clinton is not one. She's one of the most progressive national level Democrats we have.

A lot of conservatives will vote against Hillary because they hate her liberal positions.

[BlueCaliDem]

128. No contest. IN A HEARTBEAT.

I believe a lot of Republicans will either stay home if Trump won the nom, or vote Democratic if they could.