Saying: "Clinton needs SuperPAC Money to Fight the Corrupting Influence of Money in Politics"

[demwing]

is exactly like saying this:

[JoePhilly]

1. Hillary can't take SuperPAC money.

I'm sure you know that, right?

[Cali_Democrat]

3. I doubt it.

Over the last few months, I've been amazed at how ill-informed DUers are.

[demwing]

5. Did I say "takes" ?

We know that there's not supposed to be coordination...

ah hell, can't finish that statement

[JoePhilly]

6. If you can prove cooridination, go for it.

Probably the only chance Bernie's got at this point.

[demwing]

10. "At this point"? You mean the 7 point lead in NH or the 6 point gap in IA?

you mean those points?

[JoePhilly]

11. Have you looked at the polls for the rest of the nation?

Or are you thinking Bernie will be President of a new country comprised of Iowa and New Hampshire?

[demwing]

13. Yep, and I know that those polls will start to change when NH and IA go to Bernie

or are you saying NH and IA don't count?

Cool! Hillary cedes the first primary and the first caucus. That's a winning strategy

[JoePhilly]

15. Which of those did Bill Clinton win?

[demwing]

18. I though we weren't supposed to compare Hillary to Bill?

Answer: since 1972, BC is the only candidate who lost both IA and NH and went on to win their party nomination.

Well sorry, but Hillary Clinton is no Bill Clinton.

http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bill-clinton-lost-iowa-and-new-hampshire-primaries/

[JoePhilly]

21. I compared Bill to Bernie.

Bernie is no Bill, nor will he replicate Obama's success.

[demwing]

23. SWitcheroo!

I made a point that Bernie is positioned to win both NH and IA. You countered that Bill Clinton lost both NH and IA, and still went on to take the nomination.

That worked fine till it was established that ONLY Bill Clinton has achieved that. If you think Hillary can as well, then you are comparing Hillary to Bill.

As I said before, Hillary sure as hell isn't Bill.

[JoePhilly]

24. Hillary certainly can win without those states.

And Bernie won't be able to turn the tide the way Obama did.

In the end, Bill, Obama and Hillary will all have won the nomination and the general.

[demwing]

25. OK /nt

[arcane1]

26. "Hillary Clinton plans to coordinate directly with super PAC"

Hillary Clinton's campaign intends to coordinate directly with a newly formed super PAC able to receive unlimited donations, according to a Washington Post report.

The Democratic presidential candidate's campaign will work in conjunction with Correct the Record, an independent rapid-response team, previously a part of super PAC American Bridge, which conducts opposition research on Republican presidential candidates and possible GOP presidential candidates. The New York Times first reported Tuesday that Correct the Record would split from its parent organization to support the Clinton campaign.

Though Federal Election Commission (FEC) rules prohibit direct coordination between super PACs and declared candidates, Correct the Record believes it will be able to coordinate with Clinton without violating campaign finance regulations.

The FEC restricts paid internet political advertisements, making them subject to campaign spending limits and disclosure requirements. However, a 2006 FEC rule exempts "public communications" -- like unpaid posts on websites or blogs -- from such regulations. The rules were initially implemented as a safeguard against regulating the free speech of bloggers and other internet communications.

-snip-

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-super-pac/


Link to the original Washington Post report titled "How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton’s campaign":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/

[peacebird]

27. ^^^this^^^

[LiberalArkie]

31. ^^^this^^^

Mind if I tag along?

[daleanime]

30. What? You mean that internet loophole that they're claiming exists?

I'm sure that they only talked about it.

[think]

32. That's old news. Correct The Record already admitted they found a loophole allowing coordination

How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton’s campaign

By Matea Gold May 12

Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to work in tight conjunction with an independent rapid-response group financed by unlimited donations, another novel form of political outsourcing that has emerged as a dominant practice in the 2016 presidential race.

On Tuesday, Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton rapid-response operation, announced it was splitting off from its parent American Bridge and will work in coordination with the Clinton campaign as a stand-alone super PAC. The group’s move was first reported by the New York Times.

That befuddled many campaign finance experts, who noted that super PACs, by definition, are political committees that solely do independent expenditures, which cannot be coordinated with a candidate or political party. Several said the relationship between the campaign and the super PAC would test the legal limits.

But Correct the Record believes it can avoid the coordination ban by relying on a 2006 Federal Election Commission regulation that declared that content posted online for free, such as blogs, is off limits from regulation. The “Internet exemption” said that such free postings do not constitute campaign expenditures, allowing independent groups to consult with candidates about the content they post on their sites. By adopting the measure, the FEC limited its online jurisdiction to regulating paid political ads.

The rules “totally exempt individuals who engage in political activity on the Internet from the restrictions of the campaign finance laws. The exemption for individual Internet activity in the final rules is categorical and unqualified,” then-FEC Chairman Michael E. Toner said at the time, according to a 2006 Washington Post story. The regulation “protects Internet activities by individuals in all forms, including e-mailing, linking, blogging, or hosting a Web site," said Toner, now a prominent Republican campaign finance attorney...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/

[JoePhilly]

34. I guess some of you were not watching Stephen Colbert ...

... when he covered, rather hilariously, all of the loop holes in the laws surrounding super PACs.

So again ... all you have to do is show how Hillary, is breaking the laws around super PACs.

[think]

35. Yes. And even those lax laws weren't good enough for Correct the Record. They

decided why not go all in and find a loophole to exploit which allows direct coordination with campaigns.

The Clinton's know the law well and are very adept at adhering to the letter of the law. It's the spirit that just isn't there....

[JoePhilly]

36. The laws are the laws, are they not?

Look, you can not pick and choose. The GOP will use the EXISTING laws to the fullest extent possible.

Citizen's United allows a shit load of money into the process. And Bernie, is not going to denounce the PAC money that supports him, nor should he.

But for some reason, Hillary has to denounce all PAC money, and those who create PACs to support her, are not allowed to leverage the laws in the exact same manner that those who run PACs for her GOP competitors will leverage those same laws.

You might as well argue that real NCAA Basketball teams should not shoot 3-pointers because its not fair.

[NurseJackie]

7. Only one of two possibilities is true, and neither one is flattering to the OP.

Either the OP doesn't know how things work, or the OP doesn't care and willingly makes erroneous comparisons. (That's my "nice" way of saying something that could get this post hidden if I wanted to be blunt.)

Basically, it's a bullshit post that's intended to distract from Bernie's hypocrisy and his weaknesses. The undeserved attention this post gets will be entertaining to him, I'm certain.

[JoePhilly]

9. That's why I stopped by.

The other day we heard how Hillary supports Citizens United because she won't denounce super PACs that support her.

And yet Bernie has not denounced a new super PAC that supports him, and that's perfectly ok.

Hillary is bad for being pragmatic, and Bernie is absolved for being just as pragmatic.

Fun to watch.

[Vincardog]

14. Some people don't understand the difference between a regu Union PAC and an unregulated Super PAC

Or they are obtuse.

[peacebird]

29. Bernie has no super pac, he has a union pac that supports him. There is a difference between

What a super pac can do and a pac.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Bernie has a super pac backing him....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/politics/bernie-sanders-super-pac-nurses-union/

[99th_Monkey]

4. Oh Noes!! Bernie will be in the pocket of all those corrupt NURSES. -nt-

[JoePhilly]

8. Clearly he supports Citizens United.

I mean, he has not denounced that super PAC.

Has he?

[99th_Monkey]

12. As usual, Bernie is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't

Clintonistas have been thrashing Bernie as 'unelectable' because he doesn't rely on Wall St.
Super-pacs for huge corporate donations from criminal Banksters, like Hillary does; but then
when a nurse's LABOR UNION forms their own pac, and supports Bernie with it, suddenly
"Oh look! Bernie supports CU".

It's a ludicrous self-serving smear, and you know it.

[JoePhilly]

16. Both are playing by the exact same set of rules, that's the point.

And its the same set of rules that the GOP will be using.

Apparently, saying that Bernie is playing by those same exact rules is now "trashing him".

[99th_Monkey]

17. It's NOT "Bernie's Pac", it's a labor union pac. Let's at least be a little accurate

and if you're trying to argue that Hillary raking-in million$ from her own PAC (Correct the Record/David Brock) and cashing in from pacs of Wall St./MIC/Private Prisons/Big Pharma/et.al. is somehow 'equivalent' to Bernie to be supported by one nurse's pac, then I have a bridge for you.

[AgingAmerican]

20. Hillary is supported by the very industries she claims she will either end or regulate to death

Follow the money if you really want to know where she stands.

[JoePhilly]

22. Hillary does not have her own PAC.

Correct the Record is not "her own" PAC.

It has to follow the same rules as any other PAC.

Maybe you can show where she runs that PAC.

Their site says ... "Paid For By Correct The Record. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

Now, if you can prove that statement is not true, maybe you can have her arrested, thus giving Bernie a chance to win the nomination.

A PAC is a PAC.

[demwing]

19. It's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys when everyone is shooting

And it's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys when everyone is chasing the money.

[reformist2]

28. As another poster said, "She must drown out the little voices now, so she can listen to them later."

[Truprogressive85]

33. Quid pro quo

I never understood how HRC can say she wants to fight dark pools of money in politics yet still wants to benefit from its usages of Super PAcs.

Small donations from the masses > Large donation from a very select few

Who are the people that are pouring money into her PAcs ?
People don't cut large checks for no reason they want something in return

[JoePhilly]

37. How does Hillary stop super PACs from supporting her?

[hatrack]

38. See also: "Fighting For Peace"; "Fucking For Virginity"

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