Hillary Clinton is kicking ass and taking names.

[seabeyond]

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If a woman is going to be our first elected president of the United States, she has to run the board in a win across the states, to be considered legitimate.

Clinton is doing just that.

All 50 states.


Can I hear an Amen!!!

Clinton is running the best campaign I have ever seen in my lifetime. Smooth, smart and competent with few mistakes or stumbles along the way.

[William769]

1. Amen sister!

[seabeyond]

31. You da man, William.

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[DURHAM D]

2. She is really Focused !

http://ellentube.com/videos/0_fud9nyub

[seabeyond]

30. I can't watch at work, but looking forward to checking it out at home.

Always good to see you Durham.

[BlueCaliDem]

53. HILL-ARIOUS!

No, seriously. I was laughing my head off all throughout this not-really real music video. The facial expressions were spot-ON. Loved it. Thanks, DURHAM!

[Starry Messenger]

3. k&r

[R B Garr]

4. Amen good to see you!

She's playing to win! Gotta respect that, and the tides have turned again after Paris, good to reflect Madame Secretary's experience.

[seabeyond]

27. Gotta respect a winner, for sure. lol. Thank you. Nt.

[tularetom]

5. Yeah, whatever

[Codeine]

6. seabeyond and I can fight about almost anything

but Hillary kicking ass ain't one of them!!

[seabeyond]

26. You are one of the best, even on opposite ends.

Happy turkey day.

[NCTraveler]

7. Electing the first woman president will look nothing like the election of all the men before.

Not because of anything she says or does, but by her gender alone.

I cannot tell you how happy I am to see you back. I was just looking at your profile the other day.

[seabeyond]

24. I agree with you, and thank you. Happy turkey day, soon. Nt

[Dawgs]

8. Yep. Kicking ass. Just like in 2007. n/t

[azurnoir]

9. yepper by any means necessary

[Old Codger]

11. She is almost there

From so called Dem to Repug lite to full fledged repug... not far to go now...

[seabeyond]

17. Top ten in liberal congress. Your statement is not factually correct. nt

[SoapBox]

28. Voted for the Iraq War.

Enough said right there.

[seabeyond]

36. And Sanders funded

[pangaia]

40. Liberal Congress?

Where might that be?

[Old Codger]

47. she is in fact phony

You are entitled to any opinion you like, she has nothing real at all. She is a plastic person and can mold herself into anything that suits her at the time... Has her windsock up and watches it closely , goes with whatever is trending at the time. Almost invariably something that has been started by a real liberal, not a third way phony.

[seabeyond]

51. Nu uh

[Old Codger]

70. LOL

[SunSeeker]

10. Amen seabeyond!

[seabeyond]

32. Sunseeker....

Keeping it righteous, as always.

[stupidicus]

12. indeed, the ends justify the means, just like with any rightwinger

The Pied Piperess even has a small army voting against their own self-interests, just as their rightwing cousins do.

That's no doubt what that pathetic little wink is all about, no?

[LuvLoogie]

42. Perhaps if Bernie spent his career

building a working network of like-minded individuals, he'd have had stronger motivation than the urgings of Thom Hartmann 's listeners.

Phoning it in isn' t going to get you there. You dismiss Hillary's work ethic, her years of standing front and center, and her taking on and affecting process when the cameras aren't rolling.

[stupidicus]

46. I totally dismiss her

as the embodiment and supreme example of everything that's wrong with American politics today, at least in the way the good cop/bad cops/faux duopolists practice it in the janus-like conditions of DC.

You're free to vote for more of the same.

[LuvLoogie]

109. Daggers from the left are increasingly ineffective against her. That is not a function

of her politics. She has worked harder than all comers to navigate the political landscape as it is. That she has been more successful than a phone-it-in opportunist is just math and physics, the law of averages.

She is simply the more gregarious candidate. More people know her and want to work with her because she wants to know more people and work with them.

[seabeyond]

110. well said. and the tip of the iceberg. there is really even more in her favor than merely this.

and this.... is pretty big.

[stupidicus]

111. like anyone cares about daggers and your whining

it doesn't undermine a damn thing in the opinions I intitially expressed.

She'd likely be a nothing, a nobody, if not for her husband and the trail he could have easily blazed without her.

DO her unfavorable numbers represent that reciprocity?

If so, then she's sucking hind tit to Bernie, ain't she?

[LuvLoogie]

112. The opinion you initially expressed in your upthread response to the OP

likens Hillary's campaign to the Pied Piper, and her followers to mindless dupes. You can't accept that she has simply worked harder and for longer building her team and laying the groundwork preparing her for the Presidency--your Taibbi-esque world salad notwithstanding.

[stupidicus]

113. no more mindless than their rightwing cousins

who suffer from the same "vote against our own..." mental malady

I can except that she's spent half a lifetime getting all of her ducks in a row for a role in history, which amazingly started as what, a Goldwater girl? Unlike her supporters I don't dispute facts in evidence.

I am totally willing to accept that her supporters, like her, are fully against single-payer, just an undesignated (as far as I know) issue or two away from supporting the TPP, opposed to a $15 MW, more warmongering and kids shredded with cluster bombs, sparing her buds on WS the transaction tax the other two would impose, etc, etc, etc.

ANd there are certainly many descriptors besides "mindless dupes" all that would suggest, some of which would be even less flattering

let your imagination run amok

[LuvLoogie]

115. Even before she was a Goldwater girl at 17, she investigated, ala Nancy Drew, voter fraud

in Chicago when she was 15.

Many of her supporters are for single-payer, against the TPP, and for a given minimum wage. But her supporters know the difference between having a legislative strategy and throwing political Hail Mary's from a safe seat in Vermont.

Calling Hillary a warmonger isn't going to get Bernie closer to the button.

Bernie let his values gather dust. He can see that now. I suppose April 2015 is as good a time to start as any, huh? He's going to have to get over not being a Democrat, though.

[stupidicus]

116. no, they know how to delay the discussion and pursuit of such things

electing someone opposed to them.

ANd calling her a warmonger is supported by her history on such matters.

[LuvLoogie]

117. Most Democrats don't consider her a warmonger. Nor do most Republicans, I suspect.

The Commander In Chief has to be willing to pull the trigger. She was this country's leading diplomat and, as such, placed diplomacy above other options. By your standard, any President who authorizes military action can be characterized a warmonger. You try to place her in league with the Bush Neocons, and unconvincingly I might add.

As to having a legislative strategy, building a governing coalition of like-minded lawmakers takes years of work and relationship building. Tweets, clicks and net-a-thons are not a shortcut. Engaging and confronting people face to face, and not from a lectern, is a start.

[Comrade Grumpy]

119. Her record as a warmonger speaks for itself.

Iraq war cheerleader and enabler.

Libyan fiasco designer.

Honduran coup supporter.

Syrian interventionist. (Thank God Obama didn't listen to her.)

Syrian interventionist redux with her call for a no-fly zone.

Her foreign policy "credentials" are one of the main reasons I will not vote for her. That and her Wall Street buddies.

[LuvLoogie]

121. There are quite a few countries intervening in Syria right now, whether officially

or by proxy. And more people are convinced of her ability to navigate the region's turmoil, than are convinced in Senator Sanders' abilities or any of the GOP candidates.

You say that her record as a warmonger speaks for itself, yet it doesn't. That is your characterization; you speak for it. Bernie hasn't called Hillary a warmonger. At least I haven't heard of it.

Both Bernie and Martin have highlighted Hillary Clinton's foreign policy actions with their positions, but have not called her a warmonger. Do you think that if they go there, they will gain ground on her?

[seabeyond]

122. I hear one discussing issues, and one resorting to name calling. An interesting subthread.

Thank-you.

[stupidicus]

123. yep, but her supporters are in denial, something rightwingers obviously

don't have a monopoly on

[artislife]

13. Hmm

Clinton is running the best campaign I have ever seen in my lifetime.

I was pretty impressed by a man named Obama, myself.

[seabeyond]

18. Yes, he was good also. I love the strategy of campaigns. I still think Clinton

is running the best campaign I have seen, thus far.

[artislife]

43. He was the jedi master

He played 3 dimensional chess while everyone else played checkers.


Smartest man in the room.

[Sheepshank]

64. Obama's multi dimensional chess was used as a bludgeon against him all the time

is this a walk back?

[seabeyond]

66. Yes it was and that gave me a chuckle. Until it is time to use against Clinton, I guess. lol. Nt.

[The Blue Traveller]

124. 2007. Rinse and repeat.

[seabeyond]

126. Go figure. I disagree. Night and Day.

[Fearless]

14. Complete bull.

[seabeyond]

19. It is an opinion grounded with the facts of her numbers. but, ok.... lol

[Fearless]

78. It is most certainly an opinion yes.

[BlueCaliDem]

54. Or so you hope.

[AgingAmerican]

15. DWS/Hillary are running a chicken, scared campaign

In which she is afraid to take solid positions on any issues. They foolishly believe she can win the general on her name only, so they do their best to sweep Democratic debates under the rug where very few people actually hear her opponants superior policy positions.

[seabeyond]

21. Nu uh

[NCTraveler]

34. "chicken" "scared"

I don't even question why these are the words of choice anymore. It's become extremely obvious. They have simply found a substitute for another word that is no longer allowed here. p _ _ _ _

[seabeyond]

37. Half the issue is there is no fear in Clinton. That makes some very uncomfortable.

She is not knowing her place.

[BlueCaliDem]

62. This is what I love about her. She's FEARLESS.

And while her detractors keep pointing out her tendency to change her positions after listening to the American people as a weakness, it's actually a display of the strength of a true leader of a democracy.

It takes a LOT to change one's position, as her detractors should understand since they pertinently refuse to change theirs.

She's everything we need in a president to succeed President Obama, and she's built the strong foundation of allies in Congress to get through what needs to be done for the American people and the experience in national security to keep us safe.

[seabeyond]

65. I agree. It will be exciting to watch how she does this presidency. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

69. She will be a force to be reckoned with, that much I know.

She'll strengthen our growing economy, and she'll deal with Daesh terrorists (ISIS hates being called Daesh and has threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone calling them that ) utilizing the many strong connections with heads of state that she's made as Secretary of State.

All her hard-fought for experience, her strength as a politician, her strong ties with members of Congress, her family name reputation abroad, her work ethic, and her love for this country and all Americans, will bring about wonderful and positive changes, building on what President Obama has already begun.

I truly am looking forward to her presidency.

[Rose Siding]

99. Yep. Like: If only she had some big, strong, mus-kels

Pretty thinly veiled. I saw Trump is trying it out now, too. She doesn't have "stamina", isn't "strong". Same thing.

[lunamagica]

16. K&R. Good to see you, Seabeyond!

[seabeyond]

22. Thank you. Nt.

[november3rd]

20. Politician

She's a better politician than Bill. But it remains to be seen if she's the best in the Democratic field or not.

[seabeyond]

23. Sanders is a pretty good politician, too, 25 yrs in congress. I do not think it is a dirty word.

[BlueCaliDem]

63. Excellent observation.

And reminder.

[Hekate]

25. KnR. Good to see you, seabeyond. She, and we, will see this through!

[seabeyond]

33. Thank you Hekate.

You, too, have been right there, keeping it honesst. Happy Turkey day to you!!!!

[longship]

29. Amen? As an atheist, I would prefer no invoking a deity, especially when it comes to government.

I have no problems with Bernie or Hillary, compared to the theocrats in the GOP, but I would prefer that Democrats did not invoke deities when promoting a candidate. Article VI and the First Amendment seem to have something to say about such things. Even with, or without a wink. Especially when there are those who would support an overtly theocratic GOP.

I will unhesitatingly vote for Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination, but the one word you will not hear me say no matter who gains that title is, "Amen!"

Sorry, my good friend.

My best to you.


Maybe I am being silly here.

[seabeyond]

35. Hallelujah and praise the lord.

It was in jest and fun, Longship. Unity. I do not know that any of us are particularly religious.

What is that movie with Steve Martin? I always think of him, when I take on these three words.

[longship]

39. I love you, sea. You should know that by now.

Maybe I am just a bit overly sensitive about DU primary infighting at a time when the GOP is dominated by theocrats. As a lifelong atheist, maybe that explains my over sensitivity about such matters.

I hope I did not offend. Certainly no such thing was intended.

[seabeyond]

41. Of course you did not offend.

Living in a fundamentalist red, I certainly get that some do amen, hallelujah and praise the lord, with all their heart. But, also living in the very red fundamentalist area that I do, I kinda have a different take. Like saying yeehaw or yawl.

[longship]

48. Well, being born and raised in Detroit in the 40's, I don't do those things.

So maybe folks will kindly cut me some slack, as I will do others, as my parents taught me.

It is always good to read your contributions here, my good friend. I apologize for the surly post. It is a cranky week. It is snowing and my car's heater is not working. It is a 20 year old Volvo which was freaking built near the Arctic Circle. Go figure. Cranky, cranky, cranky!

[seabeyond]

52. Going to be in the '70's today though it will get colder in a day or so

Bummer about the heater, even worse than not having air. I am sorry.

Your post was fine. I get where you are coming from.

Have a good turkey day.

[longship]

58. The same to you, my good friend.

Eat well. Keep good friends close. Celebrate life.

Skäl!

[Broward]

38. She's taking names alright of all the moneyed interests

she'll repay if elected.

[Ron Green]

114. And the asses being kicked are all the rest of us.

[mahannah]

44. The only poll that matters is on election day. The rest are bullshit.

[hollowdweller]

45. I support Bernie but I think she's doing a great job.

She has been staying ahead of the GOP on the issues so far. I think she has some weaknesses that could be exploited by the GOP but I'm not sure they have anybody who can do it well enough to hurt her. Like night and day compared to her 08 campaign.

[seabeyond]

57. I agree with your assessment and it is a pleasure to read a posters ability

To enjoy the analysis of a campaign even if it is not who you are pulling for. I only recently firmly planted myself in the Clinton camp. But, I could appreciate the abilities this campaign I did not see in '08.

[ismnotwasm]

49. Yes she is

Very impressive campaign!

[seabeyond]

59. Hey ism, your post about men irrational hate of Clinton is right on.

[KPN]

50. I don't know about that ...

that picture looks like a mistake.

[snooper2]

55. LOL, not really but welcome back! NINE ELEVEN!

and at same time

[seabeyond]

67. I do not watch Family guy. But, thank you for the welcome back. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

56. K&R, seabeyond! Happy to see you back!

Oh, and yes,
[font color="red" size="14" face="face"]AMEN![/font]

[seabeyond]

60. Lol. Thank you and you betcha, I am enthused. Nt

[Todays_Illusion]

61. I like that new meme, the new Margaret Thatcher, a real iron lady. /s nt

[seabeyond]

68. There is the problem having so few women leaders. People want to suggest one is the same as the

other, facts be damn.

[Todays_Illusion]

94. Don't be so fast, I think I like what I have read about a real iron lady, Golda Meir, and for

political smarts playing U.S./Russia/China Indira Gandhi.

[NurseJackie]

71. PHOTO MANIPULATION: I can't help but notice ...

The photo of Hillary has been manipulated by distorting the vertical proportion, making her face appear rounder and squashed. Also, the sharpness and contrast has been manipulated to emphasize the wrinkles.

I'm sure the OP must have hastily grabbed a photo from Google image search, but it's interesting to note that the manipulated photo comes from a site called "cdn.bearingarms.com" and the title of the image begins with "hillary-clinton-old-hag".

For reference, here's the original photo:

[seabeyond]

73. Thank you for the information. Being woman, being old, having wrinkles doesn't scare me, lol.

So, I felt she looked totally perfect even in now known manipulation. But, yes, I was in a hurry and didn't bother much checkin' further.

Thank you for the accurate photo.

[NurseJackie]

74. She's always beautiful to me! I should be so lucky myself!!

I'm proud of my wrinkles and gray hairs! I earned every single one!

At first, the only thing I noticed about the photo were that the proportions seemed odd. Then when I saw the original, the differences were quite striking. (And, with regard to the source, I'm absolutely certain that you didn't notice, and didn't mean anything by it.)

[Romulox]

72. You claimed to be an O'Malley supporter. Remember, I told you I was bookmarking for when you flop?

[seabeyond]

75. O'malley is at what? 4%, 9%? You mean, I am not allowed to let him go and support another? Harsh

[Romulox]

76. It was as predictable as the sun rising in the morning. nt

[seabeyond]

81. Of course it is predictable that after 3 months of O'Malley not picking up supporters,

That people would look elsewhere. That would be realities of a campaign and a race. Don't you think the Webb people have looked elsewhere? Or must they just sit down and say done, can't vote, cause Webb did not produce?

Reality my man. Is our friend.

[Romulox]

82. It was predictable 3 months ago that you were for Hillary. I said so then, and I was right. nt

[seabeyond]

85. You aer more then welcome to make up your story as you like Romulox. I have two choices.

Sanders and Clinton.

Clinton is kicking ass and as far as I am concerned the race is literally over. Being the Dem I am, and knowing how important this election is to WE the people, I am all on board and ready to kick some Republican ass.

[treestar]

102. in this forum you are not allowed to change even after 8 years!

Only Bernie gets too!

[seabeyond]

107. Gosh, see, and I always thought primaries were to try candidates on and see how we liked them. nt

[MeNMyVolt]

77. K and a big R!

Also, nice to see you posting again.

[MuseRider]

79. Well I disagree BUT

I am glad you are back. I missed you!

I am getting tired of this place, do not feel like arguing like I used to so mostly I read.

[seabeyond]

84. My Muse, Then we will not argue and simply enjoy our differing perspectives.

And Thank You for the welcome back.

It is always a treat to chat with you.

Meh, this politics. It is almost Turkey Day. Family, fun and lots of good food.

Happy Thanksgiving. We have a lot to be thankful for.

[MuseRider]

104. Back to you

Happy Thanksgiving. We do have much to be thankful for. Have a wonderful day with your family.

[Alfresco]

80. I realy like the title.

She's a fighter for sure. For all of the American family.

[MellowDem]

83. She'll need to be a neoconservative bootlicker of Wall Street...

That seems to be what makes candidates seem most "presidential" to Americans. And on that front, she really is kicking ass.

[seabeyond]

86. She was within the top fifteen most liberal in congress.

[MellowDem]

87. The Democratic Party is incredibly conservative....

Representing New York allows you to be "relatively" liberal, and even then, globally she would be considered a moderate conservative hawk.

[seabeyond]

90. Ah. Well, so yours is the rejection of all the Democratic party. I am proud to be Dem.

[MellowDem]

97. One third of Democrats...

still oppose gay marriage. A significant chunk of Democratic leaders voted with fear mongering Republicans to block Syrian refugees. I'm not a moderate conservative, so I don't identify with the Democratic Party, and it certainly makes me sad that this is my only choice to the left of the Republican Party.

[seabeyond]

98. It is sad that you do not recognize a difference between the two parties. I clearly do.

[MellowDem]

100. Where did I say I didn't?

Ones moderately conservative, one is far right.

[Major Hogwash]

88. 9/11, verb, Wall Street.

Yeah, she is sure kicking ass.

[seabeyond]

91. Constituents comparable to Sanders white male gun owners, 2A rights. Yes.

[Major Hogwash]

93. Wow, you've lost it entirely!

Millions of dollars in Wall Street donations is comparable to white male gun owners' rights?

Jesus Sesame!!

[seabeyond]

95. "Wow, you've lost it entirely!" Why personal insults talking politics?

People are donating, be it people that work for Wall Street, or people that live in Vermont.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

89. No sale.

[seabeyond]

92. Not selling.

[Juicy_Bellows]

96. Leadbelly sings us the spiritual.

She's takin my brother's name and left my heart in vain - so I'm goin' for Bernie.

YMMV

[Warren DeMontague]

101. Technically, the first elected President of the United States was George Washington.

But should HRC be the nominee, I certainly hope you are right.

[forsaken mortal]

103. Kicking ass for Wall Street

[MaggieD]

106. How? Please be specific

Welcome to the 9568th time I have asked a Hillary hater to tell us specifically what you think she has done for Wall Street. I never get an answer, and I am sure this time will be no different. Hell, Bernie was asked this in the debate and could not come up with anything.

SO maybe you know. Please enlighten us, and then share with Bernie since he doesn't seem to know.

[seabeyond]

108. What do you mean MaggieD? Are you saying 9,568 times you asked about accusations with Wall Street

and all 9,568 times no one had an answer for you? That is very hard to believe that people would accuse someone of something, and not know why they are accusing them of something. Sanders accuses Clinton of this and yet, he too is clueless about why he accuses her? Incredible. I do not know how that would make someone presidential to accuse someone of something, and then not be able to back it up.

Personally, I would feel foolish if I was not able to back up my accusations. I need to have at least a basis to make my argument, surely.

[MaggieD]

105. Woo hoo!

And a big K&R too!

[MFrohike]

118. Question

"If a woman is going to be our first elected president of the United States, she has to run the board in a win across the states, to be considered legitimate. "

If she doesn't win all 50, does that make her illegitimate? That seems like a pretty high bar to set.

[workinclasszero]

120. 65 days to Iowa

Go Hillary!!

[arely staircase]

125. She will win the general in the biggest landslide since LBJ. nt

[seabeyond]

127. I think so, also. My fellow Texan,