Brand New ABC -WAPO Nat'l Poll- HRC 60% SBS 34% MOM 3%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

In the Democratic race, Hillary Clinton has maintained a wide lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.). The former secretary of state has the support of 60 percent of registered Democrats and ­Democratic-leaning independents, compared with 34 percent for Sanders. Former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley remains a distant third with 3 percent.

...

Clinton has continued to rebound from her low point of 42 percent in September, when her support was weakened by questions about her use of a private e-mail account while serving as secretary of state. Her standing has been strengthened by broad likability within the party, with a separate Post-ABC poll earlier this month finding 83 percent of Democrats with a favorable impression of her.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-leads-carson-second-as-gop-voters-favor-change-over-experience/2015/11/21/a1f05f1c-8fcb-11e5-acff-673ae92ddd2b_story

[Iliyah]

1. K & R

[riversedge]

2. Clinton has 'broad likeability" 83% of Dems !!

BTW--your link not working but found the story


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-leads-carson-second-as-gop-voters-favor-change-over-experience/2015/11/21/a1f05f1c-8fcb-11e5-acff-673ae92ddd2b_story.html

......Clinton has continued to rebound from her low point of 42 percent in September, when her support was weakened by questions about her use of a private e-mail account while serving as secretary of state. Her standing has been strengthened by broad likability within the party, with a separate Post-ABC poll earlier this month finding 83 percent of Democrats with a favorable impression of her.

[NurseJackie]

5. That makes sense! Bernie is like grumpy cat …

… only not as cute. He's got limited appeal to people with an optimistic and REALISTIC view. I think he mainly appeals to cynics with a sour disposition.

[Ned_Devine]

18. There's that broad brush. What a nasty and cynical thing to say

[NurseJackie]

21. Honestly, the seething anger and open hatred and nastiness from his supporters on this site

leave little room for any other rational possibility. Any honest observation, commentary or push-back is often met with "oh-how-dare-you" indignation. What other conclusions can be reached?

[Ned_Devine]

22. The politicians have gotten us to campaign against each other

On a site where we are all on the same side, many here on both sides have employed a "scorched earth" type campaign against each other. It makes me want to take a break from here for a while.

[NurseJackie]

25. I get it.

[MaggieD]

38. +1

Well said.

[AgingAmerican]

57. His likability ratings are higher than hers

Favorability ratings show her unelectable, and Sanders winning the general. But don't let that stop you...

[NurseJackie]

58. He can't win the general if he can't convince enough Democrats to nominate him.

[AgingAmerican]

59. Sanders would get about 20% of the GOP vote

On top of the Democratic vote. 1/2 of the Republicans I work with say they would vote for him if he is the nominee. Hillary? They just laugh and say, "Seriously?", then laugh again.

Little do they know that she agrees with them on so many subjects like war and economics.

[stevenleser]

69. The Republicans who say that are trolling you. They want Democrats to nominate Sanders because

they know he can't win.

[AgingAmerican]

71. Hillary supporters are left with nothing to defend her with

So you guys do this 'Neener neener neener!!' drama nonsense.

It's what the Republicans do too.

[NurseJackie]

3. Jumping for joy!

[Robbins]

4. Oh jesus

trying to spin every poll to your favor.bernie has risen since last poll and she has declined.

[Thor_MN]

7. He has risen to losing by 26 points?

If that makes you happy, I'm glad for you.

I see the poll spinning occurring in different direction.

[riversedge]

12. Nothing but words from the article in the OP.

[Robbins]

17. and she was wining by 39% before from abc/washingotn post

but act like race is over all you want.

[Thor_MN]

19. Losing is losing. nt

[MoonRiver]

20. I really admire the tenacity of Bernie supporters.

Of course we Hillary supporters are thrilled by her success. But Bernie supporters are to be commended for their dogged determination and loyalty.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I quoted the article verbatim, and put ellipsis points to indicate what was omitted

Oh jesus, trying to spin every poll to your favor.bernie has risen since last poll and she has declined.

I quoted the article verbatim, and put ellipsis points to indicate what was omitted...Twenty six freaking points. You spin it any way you want. This race is over. Take it up with Dan Balz. I quoted him verbatim.

How confident am I ?

Imagine the most disgusting thing a person could eat and I will eat it and put it on youtube if Hillary loses the nomination if the person taking my wager agrees to do the same if the Vermont independent loses, lol

[NurseJackie]

9. I understand your despair and frustration.

He's SO FAR BEHIND that any final-second field goal can only change the score, but not the outcome. And you must admit, this is a far cry from hanging one's hat on Twitter and Facebook polls. Bernie will NOT be the nominee.

[DCBob]

10. LOL.. I admire your optimism.

[reformist2]

15. And never mind that most of that support is shallow. 50% of voters aren't even paying attention yet.

[DCBob]

23. The early state, likely voters are paying attention.

Iowa, NH, SC.

[AgingAmerican]

61. They will be come January/February

[DCBob]

63. I heard campaign ads are already flooding Iowa.

I think voters are being forced to pay attention.

[JaneyVee]

6. K AND R!

[DCBob]

11. Nice lead!

[Historic NY]

13. k&R

[left-of-center2012]

14. Oh golly gee, I don't know

Didn't I read numerous times in the past here on DU that polls don't matter?
Why would they matter now?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. All 228, 019 user registrations of them?

Oh golly gee, I don't know Didn't I read numerous times in the past here on DU that polls don't matter?
Why would they matter now?

"Democratic Underground has 228,019 user registrations and 70,126,587 posts since 2001."

All 228, 019 user registrations of them?

[lunamagica]

16. Yessssssssssssss! Keep 'em comming, DSB. I love me some polls in the morning!

And afternoon, evening...

[Fearless]

24. Bernie polls at his highest yet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Let me quote a fellow denizen of this board.

He has risen to losing by 26 points? If that makes you happy, I'm glad for you.

-Thor MN

[Fearless]

52. He hasn't lost

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Fixed it for ya

He hasn't lost yet.

[Ed Suspicious]

28. And so is the gospel according to DSB.

Your soundtrack is way better than your storyline.

[turbinetree]

29. Yep............................

that's why I am one of the 34%, I think I'll support the Francis Perkins mantra;

http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/portraits/frances-perkins

and this is not to be taken as vitriolic........................

Feel the Bern



Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie

[ismnotwasm]

30. K&R

[TryLogic]

31. It would be nice to talk about who would make the best president rather than polls.

Election of a president should not be about likability, it should not be a beauty contest, it should not be about who has the most enjoyable laugh, it should not be a contest of big name endorsements (by individuals who often know less than those of us who have been paying attention, or by elected officials who will reap campaign funds from the DNC as a reward for their endorsement).

Who has consistently shown good judgment? (Versus who has exhibited bad judgment - more than once?)

Who has consistently demonstrated high levels of integrity?

Who is more honest?

Who has fewer (if any) conflicts of interest?

Who can inspire the nation and lead in a direction that is good for all of us?

Who can communicate effectively with Congress, even crazy Republicans? (Versus who is proud that Republicans are her favorite enemy?)

Even this: Who grew up learning how to get along with siblings? (Versus who had no experience with siblings?) Admittedly this is a stretch, but it is more important than "she is leading in the polls". It is my understanding that Obama grew up with no siblings in the home. He did a poor job of communicating with and coordinating with congressional democrats. At least this is my perception.

[MaggieD]

41. Hillary would make the best president

The polls are about who people think would make the best president.

Why do you think they are about?

[Omaha Steve]

32. Good news for Bernie in this poll you seem to have missed!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sanders-gop-steady-terrorism-worries-back-poll/story?id=35337895


Donate to DU for Bernie at Act Blue here: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

(With over two months to go to Iowa!)

Snip: Voting-wise, after its summertime churn, the race for the GOP nomination is in a lull; all the debates, discussion and occasional invective of the past month have changed almost nothing. But there’s some Democratic movement -- a 9-point advance for Bernie Sanders with Joe Biden off the books, and big shifts in some groups.

See PDF with full results here: http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1173a22016Election.pdf



At 60-34 percent, Hillary Clinton is 26 percentage points ahead of Sanders, down from 39 points in October. He has gained significantly among registered Democrats and Democrat leaners under age 50, runs closely with Clinton among liberals and has closed the margin, to some extent, among nonwhites and women -- results that may give Clinton pause, if not palpitations.

[HerbChestnut]

35. Bernie +9, Hillary -4. I'll take that

[jalan48]

33. It's not all bad news for us Bernie folks.

If Bernie wins the country gets the right person for the job and if Hillary wins DU will be an entertaining place to be for four years.

[NurseJackie]

36. This post made me smile.

[jalan48]

39. Thanks Jackie.

In the end we are all in this together-I'd like to think we would go to bat for each other on our own big issues, whether it be equal rights for everyone, economic fairness, or for me, the environment (none of this can happen without Mother Earth).

[Attorney in Texas]

42. Not bad at all! Obama wasn't polling close to 34% in a NATIONAL poll 2 months before the Iowa caucus

in 2007.

Clinton is running the same race she lost in 2007-2008: (1) liberal sounding stump speeches while offering vague policy or moderate policy positions, (2) focusing on questioning the "electability" of her opponent rather than focusing on her own strengths, (3) pushing the inevitability/"better get on the coronation train before it leaves the station" theme.

Clinton and her supporters are doing their dead level best to give Sanders a fighting chance to run the same successful play that won Obama the nomination; every attack on Sanders that does not focus on trying to have a policy discussion is a lost opportunity for Clinton.

But we must remember 2011 is not 2007:

1. Obama did not unify the left wing of the party as Sanders has;

2. Clinton's word association polls in 2007 identified Clinton as "smart" and "tough" but now she is most associated with "liar" and "dishonest";

3. The favorable/unfavorable polling was a net positive for Clinton in November 2007 but it is a huge net negative for Clinton in 2011 (but a net positive for Sanders in 2011);

4. In both 2007-2008 and in 2011-2012, Clinton was the ultimate party insider with the lead in endorsements, but 2011-2012 is BY FAR much more of an anti-insider election than 2007-2008;

5. Judging by right track/wrong track polls and the president's approval/disapproval rating there was/may be a strong anti-incumbent trend in both 2007-2008 and 2011-2012, and this benefited Clinton (and Obama as the change candidate) in 2007-2008 but will hurt Clinton in 2011-2012 where Clinton is the status quo candidate but it will help Sanders as the change candidate.

[Alfresco]

34. Hillary's campaign

is progressing nicely.
Great News.

[Dem2]

37. Page Not Found

Is the link bad or is it on my end?

[NurseJackie]

40. Bad original link apparently. Post #2 re-links to the same article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251837403#post2

[hootinholler]

43. WHy isn't that the same poll that shows Hillary loosing ground among women and POC?

Why I think it is.



Hillary is -6 among women and Bernie is +11 that's a 17 point swing, hardly trivial.

Hillary is -11 among nonwhites and Bernie is +16 for a swing of 27 points.

This poll is good news for Hillary?

O.K. please continue.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. To quote a fellow member of our community

He has risen to losing by 26 points?

If that makes you happy, I'm glad for you.

I see the poll spinning occurring in different direction.

-Thor MN

[hootinholler]

48. Please continue

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Continue what?

Quoting other denizens of our august community?

[hootinholler]

50. That voo doo that you do so well

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I don't do voo do, do you?

[DCBob]

55. That October poll was right after first debate which Hillary did so well.

She got a big bounce from that which one would not expect to last an entire month.

[Stainless]

44. Keep Publicizing Meaningless Polls

Dogmatic DNC Democrats need to believe HRC is unbeatable. Meanwhile, Bernie will keep speaking the truth to power and looking forward to winning in the Primaries!

[brooklynite]

56. Could the Sanders folks try to get together and agree on a message?

Bernie Sanders IS UP, GOP is Steady - Terrorism Worries are Back -(Poll)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251837074

this backs up the NBC poll

which shows bernie making gains despite those claiming otherwise.

Looks like....

after October, the chart is clearly showing a definite slide for Hillary and gains for Bernie.

Some of us are having a hard time following the bouncing ball

[hootinholler]

60. Why should we?

We're Democrats.

Getting everyone on message is very third way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. The truth is if there were more good polls for Bernie we would be seeing more Bernie polls here...

Some folks are so transparent.

[Iliyah]

45. Can't wait for HRC to be the Democratic Party's nominee!

[brooklynite]

54. Great! That just BOOSTED Clinton's Pollster aggregate rating to 55.2!

She's been rising since mid-September

[Kentonio]

64. So the gap is down to 24 points now?

Even better.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. 60-34=26

So the gap is down to 24 points now?

60-34=26


At this rate, Bernie will catch up in December, December of 2017

[Kentonio]

66. Except I wasn't replying to you

But to Brooklynite who had just posted a poll aggregate showing 55-31=24.

To be honest though I was perfectly happy with 26 at this stage. Anyone who thinks this is a linear process needs to learn more about politics. After xmas the public start to pay real attention to the race, and thats when having momentum becomes so critically important. If he can pull another 5-10% in the next month, this starts to become extremely interesting.

[brooklynite]

68. If you look at 2008...

...you'll notice that Obama rose, but Clinton didn't fall. She remained static at about 40-45%. As people like to point out, Clinton's negatives are baked in: you pretty much know what they are and accept her or not. The problem for Sanders is that, this time around, she's static at 55-60%, and voters once again already know what they think of her. Hence, while Sanders may be rising slightly know (Pollster aggregate suggests that he's flattening) he'll eventually hit a ceiling of 40-45%.

[Kentonio]

70. If she does hold 55-60

Then of course it's over, and I'll be the first to concede that. I just think that is yet to be seen.

[FloridaBlues]

67. Wow that's quite a lead in this poll! Looks like her trends lines keep going in the positive range