Gee! Do I hear an echo?

[1monster]

Last edited Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Please note that the original post that is cited below is in the Hillary Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110727708

Warning Wall Street, Hillary Clinton says she would “break up the big banks” if necessary.

Onward to Super Tuesday. Yet another Sanders supporters talking point gone .


Hillary Clinton vows she’s willing to break up big banks

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2015/11/21/hillary-clinton-vows-shes-willing-to-break-up-big-banks.html

Warning Wall Street, Hillary Clinton says she would “break up the big banks” if necessary.

[Cosmic Kitten]

1. *if necessary*

Suuuuure, Hillary
we know what ya really think

[retrowire]

3. this to the thousandth degree. nt

[kath]

20. Always, always, always with the weasel words, the qualifiers.

Why anyone with more than a couple of neurons to rub together would believe a word she says is utterly beyond me.

[Enthusiast]

88. Yes, the qualifiers.

[Duckhunter935]

36. Wonder when that will be in her world

When Wall Street stops funding her and her husbands speeches.

[merrily]

37. "I don't want to BE like Sanders. I want to SOUND like Sanders. Banksters get that. Voters won't."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/why-wall-street-loves-hillary-112782_Page2.html#.VlHjOb-bLIU

http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-democrats-bow-wall-street/

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/campaign-2016-hillary-clintons-fake-populism-is-a-hit-20150416

[Helen Borg]

46. That means...

If they stop contributing!

[Demeter]

51. It's Necessary Already, and if Hillary can't see it, she's blind

or sold-out.

[roguevalley]

69. willing, not going to. she lies

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

83. Nudge, nudge, wink wink, A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat!

And the pantomime that is Hillary Clinton's 'positions' continues. I might very well do something that's been needed for years if I ever feel it's necessary....

[A Simple Game]

86. Necessary? She'll just tell them to "cut it out" and that's all it'll take. n/t

[99Forever]

2. And there's is actually someone stupid enough to believe her?

[SusanCalvin]

40. God I hope not. nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

84. There's a whole nother site full of them. nt

[Hepburn]

4. I will stop eating chocolate...

...if necessary!



Wow...I like that modifying term a whole bunch!

[Autumn]

5. How funny. To them it's a talking point Hillary can use. Bernie supporters

know the difference between action and talk. Bernie will work to break up big banks. Hillary says she will break up big banks, while telling them to "cut it out guys... if necessary
.

[riversedge]

7. No. The Sanders supports (Hillary will not break up big banks) HAS been the talking point.

Well, not that Sanders talking point is

[Autumn]

9. Hillary will only break them up "if necessary" and it was in 2008 and it still is .

Otherwise it's cut it out guys Sanders is stating a fact when he says he will break up the big banks if elected . Hillary? Want to buy a bridge?

[riversedge]

12. Your crystal ball is so mighty. ha ha

[Autumn]

16. I don't need a crystal ball. I just base things on her past history.

History, and a persons past record is there for all to see. Just got to pay attention, and many of us do pay attention. ha ha

[Scuba]

30. /\_/\_This_/\_/\

[Autumn]

38. How does that old saying go? Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining?

Cause I can sure tell the difference between the two. Rain is refreshing and cool and the smell of Petrichor is delightful. Piss is warm, yellow and not pleasant smelling at all.

[merrily]

91. I think it's Don't pee on my foot or on my shoe--something like that.

Not nice, but better than an earful of urine.

[merrily]

66. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Hillary can try to convince us that she evolves and evolves, but she always returns to center right domestically and right on foreign policy.

[Kentonio]

6. The funniest part is watching CLinton supporters have to pivot after each new 'evolution'

Going from 'That's a terrible idea!' to 'Obviously its a great idea and one which I support my candidate on entirely' requires some impressive mental gymnasics.

[Cosmic Kitten]

11. Exactly, what happend to their talking point...

* but but but...
what about all the lost jobs
in the parasitic *financial sector*!?!*

Same as when they whine about
single payer...
all those lost jobs in the parasitic
*insurance industry*, oh's noes!

[malthaussen]

25. Kind of like how the American Communitst Party...

... had to change gears when Molotov and Ribbentrop signed the non-aggression pact. It also reminds me of the Doonesbury toon, many years ago, when Mr Rockefeller agreed to become Vice President for Mr Ford: "How long did it take you to completely disavow every one of your principles?" "About twelve hours -- the paperwork is incredible."

-- Mal

[Kentonio]

27. That Doonesbury..

[Buzz Clik]

8. Oh, no!

If Hillary starts threatening the banks, that magic formula of "HRC is owned by Wall Street" disappears.

Then what?

[Cosmic Kitten]

13. She's not *actually* threatening the banks

wink wink...
It's called a talking point...
a campaign promise...

She just needs to neutralize Bernie.
She's not going to bite the fed her
and Bill tens of millions of dollars!

So chill, Bro
She's got this, the Banksters are fine.

[Buzz Clik]

17. Really? A politician playing politics?

I am SHOCKED! SHOCKED AND OUTRAGED!

And how dare she intrude on Bernie's sacred ground!!!!!!11111

[Cosmic Kitten]

21. I know, right! She has a *record* for all to see

It's not like a candidate should
be judged on the merits of
what they have said or done
in the past, right?

Is Hillary dumb, or does she
think the Public is stupid?

[Buzz Clik]

42. Please. Act like this isn't your first rodeo.

Co-opting an opponent's biggest trump card is simply good politics.

[Cosmic Kitten]

45. EXACTLY! That's why Hillary is UNTRUSTWORTHY!

You make a great argument
AGAINST Hillary!

[Buzz Clik]

53. In this instance, yes. But, it's also a noisy roll of the eyes...

... for those who pretend to be surprised by this.

[Cosmic Kitten]

54. *feigned* suprise

The only folks truly surprised
might be Hillary's true believers.

Now they need to re calibrate
their talking points and concede
that Bernie is on the correct side
of the issue.

...or cognitive dissonance.

[Buzz Clik]

58. Bernie is on the correct side of this issue. No question. n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

74. good politics = good lies

And I'm sure you are very happy about it!

[Buzz Clik]

75. LOL! More insults.

Keep in mind that Bernie is a career politician and a good one. So, according to your equation, he's a liar?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

79. No, he doesn't lie. But you have a very smart mouth on you (fingers I guess).

I hope to get the last laugh. I hope those rich people will tinkle down on you.

[Buzz Clik]

81. Just keep in mind -- they're all politicians.

We chose the one(s) that tell us the sweetest lies.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

93. That's what you fail to understand about Bernie Sanders.

My modus operandi is to be suspiious of all politicians, as they've proven they all lie. But looking at Bernie's history and his consistency, he seems different to me.

"Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies"

[Buzz Clik]

95. Ok, that's how we come to adopt our favorite candidates.

But, there are those in his constituency who find him ... not different.

Don't get me wrong; I like Sanders. I'm just still skeptical.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

97. But you have no skepticism for Hillary?

She's proven to be not totally trustworthy in what she is trying to sell to people. Flip-flopper extraordinaire, adopting Bernie's ideas as her own, and lying about what she is planning on doing. Like break up the banks. Yeah, right, then I have a bridge to sell. Interested?

[Scuba]

31. Later they'll tell you that anyone who believed her was naive and unrealistic, that's politics.

[Cosmic Kitten]

44. I can't imagine living the life those people do.

I seems they have no guilt, shame, or remorse

How vacuous to live such an un-examined life,
always changing opinions, ethics, and morals
to fit a narrative, absent any core values.

I pity such wretched souls.

[Autumn]

14. Here's what... if she is elected you find out that that magic formula of her "threats" to

break up the banks goes... POOF!!!! Disappear Please "cut it out guys" That line cracks me up.

[Buzz Clik]

19. Here's what .... if Bernie is our nominee and, by a miracle, gets elected president:

The gigantic banks will still be in business when he leaves office.

I like that he rages against them endlessly (sort of ... I wish he had a bit more depth) ...

[Autumn]

22. Oh he has plenty of depth...

so much more than others and if elected he will succeed. The problem is people are to accustomed to a democrat who says one thing to get elected and then does another. Bernie has a history of consistency.

[Cosmic Kitten]

23. Because Anti-Trust type legislation won't work, right?

Bernie is right,
Congress doesn't regulate Wall St,
Wall St regulates Congress.

[Buzz Clik]

50. Bernie is correct.

It would be great to see that change, and only a Democrat can do that from within the Oval Office.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

76. What a joke.

[Ed Suspicious]

32. Unicorns and fairy tales. Bernie was a great summer's date, but now it's time to step aside and let

the grownups govern . . . am I right?



No.

[Buzz Clik]

49. Didn't say that. Not even close.

But carry on with your fun.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

80. You obviously are quite short in that supply.

[Buzz Clik]

82. My goodness. Going from post to post just to insult me?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

94. Sorry, I was on a roll yesterday.

But you make a lot of snide remarks about Bernie that insults me too.

[Duckhunter935]

43. There is no threat there

We all know she will never find it "necessary". Just another way to mimic Bernie without actually doing anything.

[NorthCarolina]

57. HRC is in no danger of losing her Wall St. connections. TPTB would love it

if you THINK that's the case because that's their goal, to make you believe Hillary would be as tough on Wall St. as Bernie. The premise is beyond comical to anyone that actually is familiar with Hillary and third-way campaign styles, but maybe there will be enough folks that will come to believe their ludicrous claim to be true. Who knows.

[Buzz Clik]

59. I get to the point where I read "third way" in a post, and I quit reading.

It's not a good way to sell a point...

[NorthCarolina]

60. If you support Hillary, you support

third-way politics. It might be a distasteful term to you, but it is a fact. Why not just own it and tell us why you think third-way triagulation politics is the best way forward?

[Buzz Clik]

65. Unless, of course, you recognize (as I do) this "third way" claim...

...has devolved into a rhetorical club to be used indiscriminately on one's opponents.

Bernie is fortunate that those on the fence between him on other choices are not being repulsed from him by the behavior of his supporters.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

78. That's called cognitive dissonance.

[2pooped2pop]

10. we know she will never consider it necessary. She is a follower, not a leader.

She copies everything Bernie does. She's a pathetic school girl.

[Ed Suspicious]

29. She, like her vulture capitalist constituents, make their living taking on the ideas of others,

watering them down, and repackaging them for quick sale.

[2pooped2pop]

92. well,it's something I can say she is good at.

a very practiced hand.

[UglyGreed]

15. disclaimer included

how nice

[Autumn]

18. The" if necessary" is just so adorable.

[sarge43]

62. The ultimate "Get Out of Jail" card n/t

[Jarqui]

24. How about "based on her history, her word cannot be relied upon"

[Major Hogwash]

26. Big deal. I heard that next week Hillary is going to stop combing her hair.

And she is going to adopt a Brooklyn Jewish accent!!!

[Omaha Steve]

28. Kind of like what is the definition of "IF"

[Martin Eden]

33. Rhetoric is cheap

Hillary will say whatever she thinks is necessary to get elected.

Bottom line is, I do not trust her to put our interests ahead of her major campaign contributors.

[HerbChestnut]

34. "Yet another Sanders supporters talking point gone"

That seems to be her strategy, doesn't it? People aren't buying it though.

[Duckhunter935]

48. Yes we are smart enough

To see those pretend positions that have those special qualifiers added to make them meaningless.

[Evergreen Emerald]

35. Another snarky thread about Clinton

Remember this the next time Clinton supporters are accused of being negative.

[Ed Suspicious]

52. Chickens and eggs came first.

[1monster]

71. Snarky? Right. Whatever. Hillary didn't just echo, more or less, what Bernie has been

saying all the while.

[Evergreen Emerald]

73. Okay

I disagree with you because you are ignoring history. However my guess is that if you would like to post an opinion, a thread could have been started in a less snarky, ugly way. The choice to continue the snarkiness against Clinton and the DU supporters shows the purposeful attacks while claiming innocence and victimization.

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Only her supporters who believe everything she says

would believe she would do this. We're not naive anymore. We know you make promises just to get elected and after you're in the WH you change your mind. We're onto the game.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Cosmic Kitten]

56. reminds me of *a comfortable pair of shoes myself*

[peacebird]

41. But with Hillary, these words are meaningless. She will parse "if neccessary" ad naseum.

With Bernie, you know he will fight for change and We, The People.

[Demeter]

47. SUuUURE she will

when pigs fly, or the HRT stops working....

[Ed Suspicious]

55. To Bernie it is necessary. If I'm charitable, I'll say she's still evaluating, which still sucks -

her lack of recognition of the problem (or her misdiagnosis), but she isn't evaluating. She isn't evolving. She's angling. She's trying to find an angle.

[jalan48]

61. And why would anyone believe this?

Politicians promise all kinds of stuff and once in office, the only people who get their promises fulfilled are the ones that paid to put the politicians in office.

[Divernan]

63. Wow! Goin' after her son-in-law's hedge fund? Ya think?

“I go after not just the banks,” Clinton told the crowd. “I go after the hedge funds, big insurance companies, shadow banking.”

(from the OP link)

Marc Mezvinsky, husband of Chelsea, has used his inside track with his in-laws to attract investments to Eaglevale, the hedge fund he co-founded (w/ 2 of his former buddies at Goldman-Sachs) and manages. Several wealthy Wall Street friends of his mother-in-law, who have contributed to her presidential campaign, have become Mr. Mezvinsky's investors, too.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/chelsea-clinton-mark-mezvinsky-hedge-fund-loss-114880

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-fund-co-founded-by-chelsea-clintons-husband-suffers-losses-tied-to-greece-1423000325?mod=WSJ_Business_LatestHeadlines

Eaglevale Partners’ Main Fund Lost Money in Two of Past Three Years

A hedge fund co-founded by Bill and Hillary Clinton’s son-in-law Mark Mezvinsky lost investors millions due to unfortunate bets on the Greek economy, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

Mezvinsky and his two co-founders, all Goldman Sachs alums, wrote to investors in their Eaglevale Partners LP that they were “incorrect” in their predictions about the Greek economy. These predictions led the fund to decrease by 3.6 percent last year, while similar hedge funds gained during a period of American economic growth.

There's apparently nothing jail-y or even unethical. So far. But it's curious and maybe a conflict of interest when mother-in-law is running for president. It may be only the reckless gamble of a cocky young man, but once you're a Clinton, even by marriage, you invite scrutiny and speculation. Mr. Mezvinsky directed his investors to put their money behind Greek government bonds, betting that the Greek economy would improve.

The New York Times reports that "the $380 million fund dropped 3.6 percent [in value] last year, losing millions, while similar funds rose 5.62 percent on average." These, the newspaper observed with a serving of wry, were "underwhelming returns."

Eaglevale's investors include hedge fund billionaire Marc Lasry and Lloyd Blankfein, the CEO of Goldman Sachs. Mr. Lasry, "a longtime Clinton friend," runs Avenue Capital, where Chelsea worked on graduation from Stanford. He told the newspaper that he "gave them money because I thought they would make me money."

The Jacob Rothschild family has donated to the Clinton Foundation, invested $15 million with Eaglevale and Bill has spoken at a Rothschild Foundation conference sponsored by the Rothschild Foundation

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nytimes-wrote-brutal-takedown-chelsea-140710252.html;_ylt=A0LEVj9Z6VFWJzoAI1InnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBydWNmY2MwBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

[nc4bo]

64. What DOES she actually stand for because

I have no effing clue.

[Javaman]

67. This is why I have long said that hillary's slogan should be...

"Yeah, me too!"

[freedom fighter jh]

68. "Yet another Sanders supporters talking point gone ."

I know something easier than watching Bernie's positions get neutralized as Hlllary adopts them (or pretends to do so): Vote for Bernie. This person seems to be saying Bernie's positions are what he/she wants. So just save your energy, relax, and vote for Bernie.

[Chef Eric]

70. Me too! Me too!

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[Yallow]

72. It's Already Necessary Hillary

Do you live in a cave?

[PatrickforO]

77. Well, I guess that depends on the definition of the word 'if'

[snort]

85. Now I'm expecting the ban hammer.

HA!

[Enthusiast]

87. Ah........it's necessary.

Been necessary since they did away with Glass Steagal.

[pa28]

89. She'll say anything to get elected and promptly reverse herself again when convenient.

Like the TPP we know where she really stands, she knows where she really stands and her big contributors know where she really stands. This is just language to neutralize criticism from the left.

[stevenleser]

90. Nope, not an echo. Paul Krugman, nobel laureate in economics, likes Hillary's plan better

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/democrats-republicans-and-wall-street-tycoons.html?_r=0

For what it’s worth, Mrs. Clinton had the better case. Mr. Sanders has been focused on restoring Glass-Steagall, the rule that separated deposit-taking banks from riskier wheeling and dealing. And repealing Glass-Steagall was indeed a mistake. But it’s not what caused the financial crisis, which arose instead from “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers, which don’t take deposits but can nonetheless wreak havoc when they fail. Mrs. Clinton has laid out a plan to rein in shadow banks; so far, Mr. Sanders hasn’t.

[Fearless]

96. And if you believe that I have a bridge for you.