Do Hillary supporters talk about anything other than poll numbers and endorsements???

[reformist2]

I swear, it's almost impossible for them to actually talk policy.

I think it points to the essential vacuousness of her whole campaign - there's no there there.

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. No. n/t

[Kalidurga]

2. I am not on Hillary's side by any stretch.

I think she is not the right person we need at this point in the WH. But, even she deserves better than people posting polls for her 24/7.

[Prism]

3. Not entirely

They also spend a good portion of their time talking about why Sanders supporters are moral degenerates and pretty much human scum.

[Cosmic Kitten]

30. lol, those dirty effing hippies!!11!11!1!

<insert sarcasm thingy>

[MrMickeysMom]

102. Oh, I'm sure my grandson would be disappointed in hearing that one...

So would my step son, my sister, my brother, my co-workers, my different bosses, my patients over 40 years, my local community volunteers, my neighbors.

My dear departed mother would correct you and should you REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES, you'd see that Sanders' supporters have the same issues as you. Those would be the ones you are side stepping so that your insults get a front seat.

How shameful that you determine how others are "human scum". That's what Republicans do agains "those Muslims" they have no knowledge of but what is trumped up by ignorance and hate.

Shame on your comment.

We welcome your discussion on the issues.

The Issues.... The ISSUES..... THE ISSUES.....

[AgingAmerican]

4. They barely know where she stands on issues

So they are reduced to talking about pretty much anything else. So we get corporate polls and establishment endorsement talk instead.

[Maedhros]

27. It's not that they don't know where she stands, it's that THEY DON'T CARE.

They have formed an emotional attachment to a political hero, therefore any position she takes is a priori the right one. There is no need to discuss.

[AgingAmerican]

85. True, but she switches positions so often they are clueless as to where she is on any given day

[azmom]

5. They got nothing. N/T

[Autumn]

6. Yes they do. They talk a lot about Bernie and Bernie's supporters.

A couple of them do post things about Hillary, pic and stuff like that but their threads sink fast.

[appalachiablue]

123. Yes. "Why Doesn't Bernie Sanders Brush His Hair?" OP today in this section. Seriously.

[MrWendel]

7. Seriously?

You must have extreme short term memory. Look through the past posts and ask the question again.

#hypocrisy

[Gman]

8. What's the use in talking policy?

What's it going to accomplish? Do you really think minds will be changed? Or is the point simply to argue for gratification purposes?

Hillary supporters are past that and feel about all there is left to do is wrap this up asap, and start arguing policy with Republicans. There's nothing at all to be accomplished by arguing with Sanders folks.

[Cosmic Kitten]

32. Why argue? Can't you have an intellectually honest discussion?

Ya know, like the merits of a
*living wage* vs $12 per hour?

Or maybe expanding Medicare for all
versus *enhancing the ACA*?

Or hows about the merits of arming
Sunni extremist to fight Assad...
and then fighting the Sunni extremists?

Must it be an argument always with you people?

[Gman]

37. It doesn't matter and that's old news

We've moved on to the convention. We just want to get the formalities out of the way first, like the primary thing.

Why debate anything. Sanders folks will just go all I'm more progressive than you and you're going to right wing hell.

Fuck that.

[daybranch]

71. you never moved on you just stuck with the old failed policies

and refused to work for a better world out of complacency, fear of failing, or fear of the labor of thinking, or maybe you never wanted to be progressive at all. Of course we Bernie supporters are more progressive than Hillary, Obama is, and he said he was a Rockerfeller republican. We progressives share values that Hillary demonstrates a lack of. We believing in striving for betterment of society not just accepting the candidates and crumbs the 1 percent doles out to us. Your inability to debate in a convincing matter only belies your beliefs not theirs, so give up as you have but do not disparage us for not moving on as you never even started working for the real cause- restoring democracy.

[Gman]

78. Ok. I'm good with that.

[litlbilly]

9. What else are they gonna do? Really, PPP poll is correct the record, david brock, hillary superpac

If that's all they have, we are in great shape. After todays speech at Georgetown, I'm guessing
the attacks from brock and company will increase. It just means we are doing good. With people like Nina Turner out there pushing, it will keep getting better.

[onehandle]

10. Reality has a third-way bias. nt

[JaneyVee]

11. Do Bernie supporters talk about anything other than Hillary Clinton?

[rhett o rick]

16. Yes all the time. Not surprised you don't know, I guess you ignore threads on issues.

Here is an article about Democratic Socialism http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251829255

Fracking: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251561112

Social Security: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251642437

High Drug Prices: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251563376

Coal Tar Sands extraction: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779915

Single Payer Health Insurance: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251547861

Reigning in the unregulated banks: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251544850

These are just a few that I posted. There are many others, if you are really interested. If you look at the threads, you will notice that HRC supporters seem to avoid threads on issues.

[Cosmic Kitten]

34. Enough with examples! More truthiness!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I can not think of anything more pointless than trying to change a person's mind whose mind...

I can not think of anything more pointless than trying to change a person's mind whose mind is already made up.

[Cosmic Kitten]

35. Is that all a discussion is? An attept to change someones mind?

Interesting.

No informing, just persuasion.
Got it

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I was in a whirlpool at the gym with this man...

I was in a whirlpool at the gym with this man who went on and on with his voice getting louder and louder that ISIS was a tool of the Americans, British and Israelis and he said and I quote "I know I am right." I had no more desire to try to disabuse him of that notion than drinking the water from the whirlpool.

[Cosmic Kitten]

42. Cool story, bro!

I was in a cess pool in the interweb...
and some crazy people were yelling at me
IN ALL EFFING CAPS ABOUT HOW SHITTY
they though people who support Bernie Sanders are.

And I was all like, whoa that's a lot of vitriol, man.

And they were all like, YOU HATE MINORITIES
AND BERNIE IS A GUN NUT, AND WHY DO YOU HATE
WIMMIN AND KITTENS!!!

And I was all like, whoa I'm a kitten and a wimminfolk???
Why all the hate, Bro?

And they were like, BRO! I"M NOT YOUR BRO!

And then they banned me from the sekret
hidey hole cavey place.

And now I has a sadz because
I just wanted to talk to them and tell them that Bernie
is a great guy and maybe they should vote for him.

But, no dice.
There's no talking people out of corners
they talked themselves into.

And!, there's no way, I'm drinking from that cess pool!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I swear to God the story is true...

I am loathe to reveal my identity but if someone wants to meet me I will introduce them to the man. He was crazy...He was also kind of yoked. That was another reason I kept my mouth shut.

[Cosmic Kitten]

46. Should have directed him here for a reorientation.

Once he hear how cool, hip and
electable Hillary is... game over.

He'd be all like, Hell yeahs Hillary all the way!

Then once her figured out what a hawk
Hillary is, and how tough and scrappy she is
he'd REALLY be like OH YEAH! HILL in The HOUSE.

He'd be so gung ho that Hillary is gonna
take the fight to the bad guys and
show em who's BOSS!


Oh wait?
He thinks those nations are arming
and supporting the Sunni extremists?
What a dumb ass!
We all know it's Saudia Arabia and the Sunni oils states
that are propping up ISIS against the Shia, geez.

[Bread and Circus]

53. wtf is the point of linking all the polls then? what purpose does it serve in DU Primaries?

If it is just cheerleading at this point then why not just have them in the Hillary Clinton group?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. If you don't like my posts please put me on ignore...

wtf is the point of linking all the polls then? what purpose does it serve in DU Primaries?

If it is just cheerleading at this point then why not just have them in the Hillary Clinton group?

If you don't like my posts please put me on ignore...

The first thing I do when I log in is check My Posts and seeing your petty, puerile, and deeply personal attacks on me are tiring.

[Bread and Circus]

74. Or you could put me on ignore. Perhaps I am making you uncomfortable because ...

You don't really believe in your candidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. I would literally give my life for my candidate and my friends here on this board

Or you could put me on ignore. Perhaps I am making you uncomfortable because ...

You don't really believe in your candidate.

I would literally give my life for my candidate and my friends here on this board

lit·er·al·ly
ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/
adverb
in a literal manner or sense; exactly.
"the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle"
synonyms: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly; More

[Bread and Circus]

83. Do you know Hillary Clinton personally?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. I don't know many of my friends on this board personally.

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

-John 15:13

[Bread and Circus]

86. I doubt Clinton would lay her life down for yours.

Unless you know her personally I have to doubt your statement.

That is a hell of a thing to say about a politician.

And what of your family? You would give your life for a politician you don't know and effectively abandon them?

That seems morally ill advised to me.

I wouldn't lay your life down for Clinton. I would rather keep you around for what that is worth.

[Gamecock Lefty]

13. We Don't Talk Poll #s . . .

Anymore than you did when Bernie was so-called SURGING and we don't talk #s anymore than you point out how many people show up at his rallies.

Chew on that.

[litlbilly]

20. The people at Bernie's rallys are real, Hillary polls are bogus.

[leftofcool]

44. Yea, all that scientific poll stuff is bogus

[jeff47]

64. Throwing out everyone under 26 is how you show your poll is scientific!!

Take a look at "likely voter" and "primary voter" screens sometime.

[redstateblues]

88. Of course any poll not favorable to Bernie is bogus

and manipulated by corporatist, third way, neo-liberal DINOs(did I forget anyone?)

[brooklynite]

122. The people at Bernie's rallies are indeed real...we just don't know if they'll be real voters

[NurseJackie]

48. +1

[frazzled]

14. Maybe those are the only posts you notice?

I see all kinds of posts, from supporters of both candidates—both substantive, on the issues, and "horse race." There are plenty of Sanders poll posts too. And endorsement posts.

I suspect that it's simply a question of the Clinton poll posts upsetting you more, so you attach more weight to them than to other posts ... like those, say, on her foreign policy speech today.

People need to chill about what gets said and posted on DU. It is by no means a reflection of even a tiny part of the real world.

[sabrina 1]

15. I don't think so. There is a kind of obsession with polls.

[Gman]

31. Well yeah

You got to know the score if you're going to play the game.

[Cosmic Kitten]

40. The score.... LOL

Well according to the *polls*

Both heaven and hell are real,
AND the devil is real!

Belief in the devil has increased from 55% in 1990 to 70% in 2004.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/11770/eternal-destinations-americans-believe-heaven-hell.aspx

Oh angels too. Angels are real apparently!?


But who's *winning*

[OhZone]

56. I believe in the Jersey Devil hahaha nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

72. I've been to Jersey! It could Be real!?

[Gman]

77. That is why Hillary will win

That kind on nonsense.

[Cosmic Kitten]

80. What non-sense? Pretending polls reflect reality?

The poll posted was conducted by PEW.

It's scientific, valid, and meets
all the criteria necessary to assess
public opinion.

So what exactly is the *non-sense*?

[cheapdate]

17. Yes, they do. Asking that question

is similar to when someone asks, 'how come you never hear any Muslims condemning terrorism?'

The answer is all around you if you pay attention.

[OhZone]

57. So true! n/t

[Gothmog]

18. Lets talk about the importance of the SCOTUS

One of the key issues that I am considering in the upcoming primary contest is the control of the SCOTUS. The recent 5 to 4 decisions that came down last term show how important the SCOTUS is and the control of the SCOTUS will be determined by the 2016 election. http://theweek.com/articles/564891/why-2016-supreme-court-election

And in the next term, there are positive signs for the right. The justices have already agreed to hear a case that could put the final nail in affirmative action's coffin, as well as one that could cripple public sector unions. The justices are also likely to take one or more cases on restrictions at abortion clinics, and if they rule the way conservatives want, it could make abortions almost impossible to obtain in large swaths of the country.

All that is unlikely to banish the memory of the last couple of weeks from Republicans' minds, and you can bet that the GOP presidential candidates are going to have to promise primary voters that they'll deliver more Supreme Court justices like Alito, and fewer like Anthony Kennedy or even Roberts. If Democrats care about their own agenda, they ought to be no less motivated to vote by the prospect of changes in the court....

While it's possible that they all might decide to hold out until there's a president of their own party to replace them, infirmity or illness may make that impossible. And it's been an awfully long time since a president had the opportunity to change the court's course. The last time a Republican managed it was when George H.W. Bush appointed Clarence Thomas to replace the retiring Thurgood Marshall. And Democrats? Believe it or not, it's been over six decades since a Democratic president had the opportunity to replace a conservative justice; the last one to do it was John F. Kennedy, who appointed Byron White to a seat when Charles Evans Whittaker, who had been appointed by President Eisenhower, resigned in 1962.

If the next president gets that chance, no matter which party he or she comes from, it will profoundly affect the court's direction. If a Republican could appoint someone to replace Ginsburg or Breyer, it would mean a 6-3 conservative majority, which means that Kennedy would no longer be the swing vote and there would be a margin for error in every case. If a Democratic president were to replace Scalia or Kennedy, then the court would go from 5-4 in favor of the conservatives to 5-4 in favor of the liberals.

Those two outcomes would produce two radically different Supreme Courts, with implications that would shape American life for decades. If you think the court has been handling controversial and consequential cases lately, just you wait.

I remember when GHWBush replaced Thurgood Marshal with that idiot Clarence Thomas which started the shift of the court towards being far more conservative. If the GOP gets to pick the replacements for Breyer and RBG, then the court will tilted to the right for a very very long time. By the same measure, if a Democratic President gets to select Kennedy's or Scalia's replacment, then we will not have to worry about the gutting of the right to privacy or Roe v. Wade.

All but a couple of the abortion clinics in Texas were scheduled to be shut down on July 1 and these clinics are still open due to a 5 to 4 decision. Affirmative action, one man one vote and a host of important issues will be decided next year and I would hate to see the SCOTUS shift to being a 6 to 3 court in favor of the conservatives.

[antigop]

21. oooh, the SCOTUS boogeyman. nt

[Gothmog]

106. I live in a state suffering from the effects of the gutting of the Voting Rights Act

The SCOTUS just stopped the Texas TRAP laws from closing a large number of abortion providers in Texas. Control of the SCOTUS is a critical issue in this election and I am not comfortable trusting a candidate such as Sanders who is not viable in the general election. If the Sanders supporters want to broaden the appeal of Sanders, then provide a good explanation as to how Sanders could compete in the general election

[antigop]

107. add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt

[Gothmog]

110. You do realize that Sanders lack of viablity in the general election is affecting his support?

Sanders will be unable to expland his base of support beyond the very narrow group currently supporting him unless and until Sanders who that he could win in a general election. The refusal or inability of Sanders and his supportes to provide such an explanation is hurting Sanders' ability to attract new voters. That may not matter to some but if Sanders wants to be the nominee, he should consider providing a good explanation to this question

[antigop]

113. add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt

[Gothmog]

116. Ignoring a problem will not cause that problem to go away

From your response, then it is clear that you agree that people who are concerned about the lack of viablity of Sanders in the general election should support Hillary Clinton

[antigop]

117. add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt

[antigop]

108. and be sure to tell DWS "thanks" for her moment of candor! nt

[Gothmog]

109. What are you talking about? This makes no sense

[antigop]

114. oh, it makes perfect sense. Say " Hi' to Debbie if you see her and tell her "thanks". nt

[Gothmog]

115. Again, you are making no sense

[antigop]

118. Go talk to Debbie and review your own posts. And if you talk to her, tell her "thanks". nt

[Gothmog]

120. I am giving up because your posts make no sense whatsoever

Sanders has a 7% chance of being the democratic nominee according to predictwise http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination Those odds may overstate Sanders' chances of being the nominee.

The SCOTUS is a very valid issue to vote on in this election and unless Sanders shows that he is viable, he will not have a chance of being the nominee of the party

[antigop]

121. add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. Ask Debbie about his "electability". nt

[ibegurpard]

25. Hillary's underwater approval ratings

Outside of certain Democratic circles ought to be a big concern for you then.

[Gothmog]

105. The concept that Sanders is more viable than Clinton due to underwater ratings is wrong

It is clear that Sanders is not electable or viable in the general election and the rationale advanced by the Sanders campaign is really dumb at best. The concept that Sanders polling with republicans will make him viable in a general election contest has no basis in reality https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/19/bernie-sanders-says-hes-more-electable-than-hillary-clinton-um/?postshare=7381447965861153&tid=ss_tw Republican voters will not support sanders in a general eleciton contest and the theory that Sanders is competitive in a general election contest is simply wrong.

That's almost certainly not the case. If Sanders did wind up as the Democratic nominee, tens of millions would be spent by conservative groups familiarizing Republican voters with his record — which begins with the fact that he is an avowed democratic socialist. While that's probably enough to take Sanders's Republican support to absolute zero, just in case it didn't, Republicans could run an ad excerpting from this September Wall Street Journal story headlined "Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’s Proposals: $18 Trillion." And that would just about do it for Sanders's hopes among Republicans.

Is it possible that even with his socialism and his proposals for massive increases in government spending, Sanders still might be a less polarizing figure than Clinton among Republicans? Sure. But we are talking about slices of an onion in terms of the difference.

There's a case to be made by Sanders against Clinton in a Democratic primary fight — namely that she has demonstrated a lack of sufficient commitment to liberal principles during her time in public life. That's sellable to a wide swath of Democrats. The argument that Sanders's is a stronger general-election candidate than Clinton just isn't.

Sanders will not pick up any GOP votes and if that is the basis of the Sanders' viability analysis, then my support for Hillary Clinton is well placed

The control of the SCOTUS is simply too important of an issue to risk on a candidate who is not viable in the general election

[kristopher]

19. If we're talking the horse race, we are losing.

If we are talking policy, we are winning.

The rules at DU make HRC camp's effort to kill policy discussions extremely easy.

[ibegurpard]

22. They also like to use very serious words like "gravitas"

[Art_from_Ark]

39. "Gravitas" sounds like some new pharmaceutical

that has so many side effects they all can't be mentioned in a five-minute commercial.

[Bread and Circus]

76. If you suffer repeating the mistakes of the Iraq war you may have gravitas...

Please consult your doctor and see if "boots on the ground" is right for you.

[BootinUp]

23. I have made several posts today

I think only one was a comment on a poll result and none were about endorsements. Does that help?

[demwing]

24. They talk about Bernie a lot.

I think he's their secret crush!

[upaloopa]

26. Bernie supporters say they tell the truth about

Hillary's policies. If we said what her policies were you all would use this

So what's the use?

Hillary is leading. The polls haven't changed in months. We are less than 3 months to the IA primary

What's not to like?

[ibegurpard]

29. "what's not to like?"

The candidate.

[upaloopa]

33. I'm happy the majority of Dems want

Hillary to be a President there are happy to.


Are you voting against Hillary or for Bernie?

[orpupilofnature57]

28. I was Hid yesterday for my characterazation of the situation, so let me say Yes.

Her poetic platitudes, devotion of defeating the 1% and by virtue of her sex, the only candidate who can help women and children .

[Capt. Obvious]

36. How awful Bernie supporters are

I'd say that topic vies for top slot

[beam me up scottie]

41. DING DING DING!

We have a winnah!

But polls, guns and how Bernie can't possibly win are all tied for 2nd.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. I love it when they talk polls and endorsements, it's all the bashing at Bernie and his supporters

that I don't care for. I don't much care for the crusading anti-Hillary folks either. Negative politics is a reductive, insulting mode that I like to avoid entirely. When a person supports a candidate and they can tell me why I respect that. When someone despises a candidate and can't really say why, I assume they have bias issues around that candidate that are personal to their own neurosis. It's easy for me to oppose a Democratic candidate, I just don't vote for them. So the whole trip of waging constant negative attacks just looks symptomatic to me.

[Aerows]

50. Good points, BNW.

I'd rather just take out the trash than sift through it obsessively.

Wise words .

[99Forever]

47. Some of them also do their damdest to smear Bernie.

Actual details of policy? Not so fucking much.

[Aerows]

49. If they had it to say, you would be hearing it. Endlessly n/t

[orpupilofnature57]

52. No references of success, standing up to the 1%, taking responsibility, steadfast position ,Oh I

forgot being ambiguous is a virtue .

[Aerows]

54. For a second there

I read "being ambitious is a virtue".

Do excuse me for misreading.

[orpupilofnature57]

55. You read right, I was refering to the elaborate reason hillary gave for changing positions, Often .

[Aerows]

58. Those words seem to

both be definitive when referencing her political history.

Ambiguous Ambition.

Has a nice ring to it, does is not?

[orpupilofnature57]

100. It does indeed.

[Bread and Circus]

51. I had an OP just like this but maybe not as gently written...it was locked I think

[Jack Rabbit]

59. If they did that they might have to talk about why anyone should vote for her.

Which they do, but beyond the fact that she's better than a Republican, which is such a low bar as to be a left handed compliment, they don't have anything.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Yep. They talk about how terrible Sanders' supporters are.

That's, like, completely like the best reason to support a presidential candidate, totally, like literally you know... Because you like totally dont like some of the other candidate's, like, supporters. Ewwwwww gross!

[taught_me_patience]

62. We are all uninformed idiots

needing to be shown the light of Bernie.

-Hillary Supporter

[stupidicus]

63. sometimes they talk about abusive BS supporters

in the course or wake of abusing a few with racist/sexist/etc charges.

They don't wanna talk policy because they know that with HC's opposition to single-payer alone they lose. Add her stingy MW increase, greasing the path for the TPP, and perhaps more needless warmongering, etc, their support for her doesn't add up based on policy considerations. It's likely based on factors better suited for a junior high school popularity contest.

[jeff47]

66. They also talk about how perfect Clinton's logo is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026809455
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11078786
http://www.hillarymojo.com/2015/06/10/hillary-campaign-logo-finally-getting-the-love-it-deserves/

[NuclearDem]

67. Do Sanders supporters talk about anything other than conspiracies and plots?

There's not much policy to talk about since Sanders has the most bare-bones policy proposals out of the Democratic candidates.

[lobodons]

68. Yes, we talk about how thankful we are Bernie is in the race

Dems are going to need the enthusiasm and GOTV from Progressives that Bernie has ignited to not only win the big one in 16, but also win in down ballot races!! Thank you Bernie!!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

69. Sure. They talk about how terrible Bernie supporters are.....

You know,....for quoting her.

[Thinkingabout]

70. It is hard to dispute the poll numbers so we talk about them often. They are a matter of record.

[sibelian]

73. They just like to post stuff. It feels good.

It feels like hope.

[brooklynite]

75. Many of us DO talk about policy; we just don't do it here...

...we do it in the real world where there are real voters to persuade. And the polls you treat with disdain (unless they show Bernie winning) suggest that we're doing a good job.

[SidDithers]

79. I can understand why Bernie supporters don't like to talk about those things...nt

Sid

[Number23]

95. I am CRYING reading this thread

"How dare you guys keep posting about how well Hillary is doing despite our endless whining!! Stop interrupting our bashing which we are pretending is legitimate policy differences!1one"

[gordyfl]

82. Bernie vs Bernie Lite

I noticed that a lot.

It's difficult for them to support Hillary's ideas because it's either a flip-flop to copy Bernie, or her ideas are tied into big money interests. So they just stick with "She's a woman" and "It's her turn". Otherwise polls and endorsements. For them, issues are not a prime concern. "She looks presidential". That's what matters.

When Hillary eventually lets her supporters know where she stands on the issues, her supporters realize that it's just a lighter version of Bernie Sanders.

[redstateblues]

87. The difference is that Hillary is presidential

and although he's a good guy, Bernie is not-

[senz]

89. Ah, I get it...

you're more interested in who would look good in the role, not in what they would actually do.

[moobu2]

90. Bernie Sanders couldn't "do" anything because he isn't going to get elected.

Even if he did he wouldn't be some kind of American dictator able to enact anything he pleased. I bet he doesn't win one single state in the primary though.

[senz]

91. I'm trying to imagine saying something like that to you

or any Hillary supporter. Besides being a hostile, negative, rude comment, it reflects an angry, unhappy inner attitude. And it doesn't make sense, because if you're so sure she'll win, you should be more upbeat -- not in a gloating way like some, but in an optimistic, generous way.

This might help a little ...

[moobu2]

92. Nevermind.

[840high]

94. What the hell does that even mean?

[840high]

93. I have asked some of them

about policy - never get an answer.

[Starry Messenger]

96. Bernie supporters attacked her logo all week when she announced.

I'll take teh seriousness bidness campaign with a grain of salt.

[NCTraveler]

97. Of corse they do.

To even ask this question I'm assuming you have most of them on ignore. It's the only way you can come to your conclusion. Seems you cherry picked two metrics you don't like seeing.

[reformist2]

119. On second thought, I see that they also attack Bernie. But positive posts on Hillary's positions? No

[randome]

98. So you're going to argue that numbers don't mean anything? Strange.

Since the numbers clearly support Clinton, it behooves us to stop talking about Sanders vs. Clinton policies and start talking about how to move Clinton where we want her to be.

Anything less is just petulant whining.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Recursion]

99. It's like those crazy baseball coaches who obsess over "batting averages" and "ERAs"

People with an interest in something often do well to watch its fundamentals.

[UglyGreed]

111. that and of course

the occasional hint of slander here and there.

[Aerows]

112. Would you?

I sure wouldn't.