"It's her turn..." I keep seeing people referring

[MineralMan]

to Clinton supporters saying that. I don't think I've ever seen a Clinton supporter say that. I've seen lots of Clinton detractors claim that her supporters say that, but I can't find a single instance of it.

So, can someone please link to something where a Clinton supporter said it was "her turn?" I'll go check it out thoroughly. My internal DU Google search turned up nothing except people claiming that supporters said that. I could not find a single post where a Clinton supporter said it.

Thanks for your help.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

1. Here

Jim Messina, who helped engineer Clinton’s downfall in 2008 as a senior aide to Obama’s campaign, now runs a super PAC devoted to supporting her in 2016. “It’s her turn and her time,” he said on MSNBC this week. “We’re going to do whatever it takes to make sure she’s the president of the United States.”

link

[MineralMan]

2. OK. Not on DU, though, eh?

That article is from February. She hadn't even declared her candidacy at that time. Nothing more recent? Hardly a meme, I think.

[Wilms]

19. I the sentiment is there. Here's a couple.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026565578#post7

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=366174

[reformist2]

22. It is too her turn!! She's waited so long! She deserves it!

[NurseJackie]

3. Your request should contain a caveat which states …

… something along the lines of "which has been posted before Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:52 PM" to discourage someone from quickly creating a new account with an Hillary avatar and posting that which you've requested.

[MineralMan]

4. Oh, I'd notice that and heap ridicule on anyone who

tried that one.

I notice that not a single DU link has been posted, though. Only a Jim Messina comment from February in the WaPo. It looks like it's not a common thing for Hillary supporters to say. It sure is common for her detractors to say people are saying, though. Lots of results from searching DU for "her turn," but all are from Sanders supporters. It's an interesting search to follow.

I'm betting this thread sinks like a stone. It's sort of embarrassing, really. Hillary Clinton supporters don't say that. We never have to. She's doing fine on her own merits, it seems.

[passiveporcupine]

42. How about if it was posted on June 9, 2014?

Is that old enough. Look up over your head to the 2nd thread link in post 19.

It's simply her turn.

OK, OK...it didn't say "It's her turn"...I will grant you that.

[mwrguy]

5. it''s another red herring from the berniebros

[MineralMan]

6. I don't use the term "berniebros."

I call them Sanders supporters. But I think you're right. It does appear to be a red herring. I'll stick around, though, to see if anyone can find a DU link with a Clinton supporter saying "It's her turn." I expect crickets.

Personally, I think it's a bullshit claim. She doesn't need a "turn." She's polling 2:1 against Sanders on her own merits. She's earning this nomination.

[mwrguy]

8. That's just the ones that resort to such tactics

Not all Sanders Supporters sink to this.

[MineralMan]

11. I'm not big on cute names that include

things like "bots" and "bros." I don't think they advance the discussion. I'm funny that way. I consider Democratic politics to be a serious matter, worthy of adult discussion.

You will not see me using slang to refer to any supporter of anyone. It's not my style.

[TSIAS]

21. Would you like to be called a "Hillshilll" or "Hillbot"?

What type of positive feedback do you expect?

[mcar]

7. I'd like to see the links too

[MineralMan]

9. So far, no links have been posted.

Now, I admit that I only went back a few pages in the search results, but every hit on "her turn" was a Sanders supporter claiming that she thought it was her turn or that Clinton supporters said that.

It's interesting. An "exploding meme," I believe. It's a meme alright, but not a meme coming from Clinton supporters. It appears to be solely a Bernie Sanders supporters' meme. How interesting...

Her merits. That's why she's ahead of Sanders 2:1 or more in all of the current polls. Her merits, not "her turn."

[mcar]

13. This does not surprise me

[Cheese Sandwich]

10. "We Want Hillary Clinton To Be The Next President," "It's Her Turn And Her Time"

Obama Campaign Manager Jim Messina: "We Want Hillary Clinton To Be The Next President," "It's Her Turn And Her Time"

Former Obama campaign manager and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina said Priorities USA, the Super PAC he is co-chairman of, will support Hillary Clinton for president of the United States. Messina is also chairman of the 501(c)(4) Organizing for Action (formerly Obama for America).

...

"It's her turn and her time," Messina also said. I think she would be the right leader for this country moving forward. And we're going to do whatever it takes to make sure she's the president of the United States."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/02/obama_campaign_manger_jim_messina_we_want_hillary_clinton_to_be_the_next_president_of_the_united_states.html

[MineralMan]

12. Yes. Someone posted that already.

It was from a February, 2015 WaPo article, written before she had even declared that she was running. Is that the best you can find? Where are the DUers saying that? Where are the recent comments saying it is "her turn?"

One link to one story by a political operative. Surely there's more. Sanders supporters are treating it like a constant meme coming from Clinton supporters. I think not. So, please continue your search, but look for more recent usage and particularly on DU.

Good luck with that.

[passiveporcupine]

44. You are not seeing the second link in that post (19)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=366174

It is from HamsterJill, and it says

I believe Hillary will run and that she will be the nominee.

And I think to a very large degree, that was all decided in 2008.

It's simply her turn.

Hamsterjill does not look like she is supporting anyone specific, other than this post

Then there is a second post linked below (24)

This link is to a poster (GMAN) who appears to be a Hillary supporter

Too bad Sanders can't wait his turn in the party.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=781937

[Gothmog]

14. The"it is your turn" concept is a GOP concept and not a Democratic concept

The issue of whose turn it is fits with the GOP but does not really apply to Democrats. If that was the case, then President Obama would not have been able to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary cycle.

I do not care whose turn it is but I do care about whether a candidate is electable or viable. The stakes are way to high this cycle to let a non-viable candidate be the nominee

[JoePhilly]

15. Very well stated.

[Skidmore]

17. +1

[MineralMan]

35. Exactly. A GOP concept that is echoed

here, again and again. It's bullshit.

[Stallion]

39. Exactly-Just Like "Voted for Obama to Elect a Black Man"

or voting "for Clinton to elect a Woman. Its a regurgitated Republican talking point to de-legitimize the decision every voter makes

[Gothmog]

46. Electing the first female POTUS is an extra benefit

I am voting for the most qualified and electable candidate

[JaneyVee]

16. It's the same way they...

Complain about a "coronation", even though the ONLY people who ever thought there would be a coronation is them, in their own mind.

[George II]

18. The only people around there that I've seen using that term is Sanders fans bemoaning that....

....the term "it's her turn" isn't true.

I know that a lot of republicans have said the same thing, also bemoaning that false premise.

It's a concoction of their own, maybe a final attempt to change the inevitable reality?

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. "Too bad Sanders can't wait his turn in the party." <--------- There ya go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=781937

[NanceGreggs]

27. So ...

... someone saying Sanders can't wait his turn in "the party" is the same as saying it's HRC's "turn" to be president?

That's a stretch.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Of course it's a stretch for a Hillary supporter. That quote was by another of your Hillpac, so

yes. That's exactly what he meant.

Spin all you want. It makes you look ridiculous.

[NanceGreggs]

31. I'm not the one spinning.

Talking about waiting one's turn in the party = it being HRC's "turn" to be president?

Like I said - quite a stretch.

[MineralMan]

36. Ha. That's your link.

As I said, it's a bogus meme that deserves debunking.

[Autumn]

23. I don't think anyone here says it but it goes back to one of her campaign workers saying it.

And he is a Clinton supporter, so yeah it was said by a Clinton supporter. Can't remember the name and don't care to look for it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Just a couple of weeks ago. Said right here in GDP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=781937

[Autumn]

25. Well some of them obviously do agree with it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Of course they do.

The feigning ignorance of any remark like that ever being made by a Clinton supporter is just ridiculous.

[passiveporcupine]

43. so now two DU posters have said this or implied it.

Look at post 19 above...second link. Just probably phrased a little different than what MM has been searching for.

Search can be tricky.

[Kalidurga]

29. I haven't seen that

But I have seen people post that it is a BFD for a woman to become president. For me gender is not an issue at all. I don't care it will change my life not one IOTA having a woman in office vs a man if both have the same policy stands.

[NanceGreggs]

32. It is a BFD for a woman to become president ...

... because it will be a first.

If BS were elected president, that would also be a BFD "first", as he'd be the first Jew elected POTUS.

I'm old enough to remember JFK's election being touted as a BFD because he was the first Catholic in the White House.

It is always a BFD when anyone is elected POTUS who represents a group, gender, demographic, or religion that previously would have been considered a barrier to their attaining that office. It will be a BFD when the first openly-gay person is elected, or the first single mom, the first openly-declared atheist, etc.

I agree that gender (or religion, marital status, etc.) should not be an issue in determining one's vote. But you can't ignore the fact that whenever a "first" happens, it is a BFD.

[Kalidurga]

33. It's cool

I just don't think it's a BFD. Except for the signal that someone in the group was accepted where maybe they were not before. Oh and I heard Bernie is an atheist. I don't know or care if that is true or not. Again to me not a BFD. His being Jewish I also don't care even if I am half Jewish.

[NanceGreggs]

38. You may not think it's a BFD ...

... but many people do.

To support/vote for a candidate based on what is perceived as a BFD if they are elected is, IMHO, not terribly smart. But to acknowledge previous "barriers" being demolished is.

I remember my mother and her friends/family talking about how JFK was unlikely to be elected because he was Catholic. Nowadays, no one would cite anyone being Catholic as a barrier to their being elected.

I think it's a BFD that being a Catholic or a Jew is no longer a BFD to be considered by voters.

[Thinkingabout]

30. We know it is said many more times by those who do not appear to be her supporters. One of the link

Was NYC_Skip

[quickesst]

34. I've been trying...

.... to get that information on whether any Clinton supporter here at Democratic Underground has ever said that, or mentioned "the chosen one" or "the coronation" etc for a while now. So far I've only been met with silence or a one or two word snark such as " bogus". I can only surmise that they are aware that they own them, but continue using those memes unaware that they are only preaching to a complicit choir.

[MineralMan]

37. Memes are like that. They can be created by either side,

and are rarely questioned. They results from this thread prove my point. The only ones directly using that meme on DU are Clinton opponents. Feh!

[NanceGreggs]

41. This is not unlike ...

... the Snowden supporters (hey, remember them?) who promoted the meme on DU that his non-supporters were constantly posting about his "stripper girlfriend" and "boxes in the garage".

I posted an OP about it, asking for links to anyone citing those memes as facts.

Not a single DUer was able to come up with a link to any alleged anti-Snowden poster mentioning a "stripper girlfriend" or "boxes in the garage".

It is a sad commentary on the state of DU when the idea of "if you say it often enough, it becomes fact" actually leads to posters accepting as "fact" that which never existed.

[Aerows]

40. I don't see anyone saying that.

Maybe you see what you want to see?

[NCTraveler]

47. I have noticed a trend with Sanders supporters.

It's the "someone on the internet said" trend. I am not kidding when I say a poster was riding me up and down about corporate media, posted a bullshit link and were called on it, and then said they trusted google. Truly one of the funniest things I have seen here. I believe the actual quote in the middle of an anti-corporate media rant was "I relied on google."