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brooklynite

(94,601 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:53 PM Nov 2015

It is my opinion that Sanders is largely reiterating points from his standard campaign speech...

...If the goal was to expand his appeal and his message to a larger pool of voters, as opposed to reinvigorating his existing supporters, I think he's going to find this speech won't have a lot of impact.

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It is my opinion that Sanders is largely reiterating points from his standard campaign speech... (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2015 OP
When is he going to make the "Game Changing" speech? Walk away Nov 2015 #1
Bernie Sanders' speech on democratic socialism was this afternoon at Georgetown. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #31
In my opinion I like Tennessee to cover the spread tonight Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #2
In my opinion, some opinions are less than useless Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #3
Sheldon Cooper, is that you? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #14
Good one. Alfresco Nov 2015 #18
It does feel that way in many respects tishaLA Nov 2015 #4
Well, that wasn't the goal. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #5
Are you saying he decided to give speech for the heck of it? brooklynite Nov 2015 #6
He's been pressured to make this speech for quite some time. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #13
Aside from the FDR lines, much of Sanders' speech has so far been pulled from his stump: Billionaire riversedge Nov 2015 #23
I think you are just acting willfully ignorant. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #16
Sounds accurate to me. Good luck with the alert on this. marble falls Nov 2015 #20
Ya done good! ..... marble falls Nov 2015 #21
Wow! I didn't get any of that! You have quite the imagination! Walk away Nov 2015 #36
Isn't he terrific? I love his speech!!! nt valerief Nov 2015 #7
Stepping on those necks. nc4bo Nov 2015 #8
I think that is the point actually.. DianeK Nov 2015 #9
It's my opinion that since his speech is to show the meaning of Democratic Socialism Autumn Nov 2015 #10
I don't personally mind what he says in this regard... brooklynite Nov 2015 #11
He's doing just fine. He will gain new voters from this speech and retain the ones that support Autumn Nov 2015 #12
Youth volunteers more, too. merrily Nov 2015 #24
Awesome OP Autumn Nov 2015 #28
Thank you, Autumn. Coming from someone I respect, that means a lot. merrily Nov 2015 #30
I had a very positive reaction from his appearance at Georgetown today. bluedigger Nov 2015 #15
To you maybe, not to thinking people however litlbilly Nov 2015 #17
Personal insults are always productive brooklynite Nov 2015 #19
Im not the one trying to produce anything here. It's not personal really. litlbilly Nov 2015 #35
I guess personal attacks are acceptable in GD-P now. ColesCountyDem Nov 2015 #32
Sanders is using a teleprompter for this speech. That is new: He usually doesn't use notes and speak riversedge Nov 2015 #22
If you've heard one, you've heard every last boring moobu2 Nov 2015 #25
its downhill from there drray23 Nov 2015 #26
A big part of the speech was about fighting terrorism. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #33
This speech is pretty much just like the other speeches. bravenak Nov 2015 #27
Bernie Sanders added points about FDR to his stump speech. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #29
If Hillary had given speeches like this for her entire political career Kalidurga Nov 2015 #34
Why? Because she would have bored Barack Obama to death? Walk away Nov 2015 #37
No because Obama Kalidurga Nov 2015 #38
My Social Studies teacher gave that same basic speech 40 years ago and.... Walk away Nov 2015 #39
Nice I had a professor that had Bernie's philosophy as well Kalidurga Nov 2015 #40
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
5. Well, that wasn't the goal.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

The goal was to define what he means by democratic socialism. That's it. If it brings in new supporters, great. If not, at least people will (or should) stop asking him about it. In either case, hopefully it undemonizes the word 'socialist' just a little bit.

brooklynite

(94,601 posts)
6. Are you saying he decided to give speech for the heck of it?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:04 PM
Nov 2015

Speeches as part of campaigns have goals; ultimately that goal is to attract new voters or retain old ones.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
13. He's been pressured to make this speech for quite some time.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:11 PM
Nov 2015

Ultimately, you're right. The goal of any campaign is to win over voters, but there's a variety of more effective ways to do this that don't involve huge speeches. I think the hope of this speech is to appeal to people who might be afraid of the term 'democratic socialism' because they don't know what it is.

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
23. Aside from the FDR lines, much of Sanders' speech has so far been pulled from his stump: Billionaire
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:43 PM
Nov 2015


Dan Merica ?@danmericaCNN 2h2 hours ago

Aside from the FDR lines, much of Sanders' speech has so far been pulled from his stump: Billionaires, super PACs, fall of the middle class.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
16. I think you are just acting willfully ignorant.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:52 PM
Nov 2015

Given what you say about yourself in real life is true, I doubt you fail to understand one of the many purposes of Sanders' campaign. Thus I take much of what you say here as sounding ignorant but not being ignorant. So what you are is disingenuous.

That is expected.

What is odd to me for all of you self-proclaimed "realist" politicos is how insecure you all seem with Clinton's lead in this race.

You sound scared, petulant, and arrogant.

marble falls

(57,112 posts)
21. Ya done good! .....
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:39 PM
Nov 2015

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Walk away

(9,494 posts)
36. Wow! I didn't get any of that! You have quite the imagination!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:24 PM
Nov 2015

Some of us just expected the great game changing speech that has been promised for weeks now! I actually thought this was a lecture he was giving at GWU before he gave his televised speech that was going to rock the world.

I'm a big fan of FDR and all of the social programs he instituted but that is not the definition of Socialism There was no explanation about how any of his "add-ons" to existing programs would be accomplished. It just seemed like a lecture since it was basically a bunch of nice ideas without telling us who is going to pay for it.

Then he said he would go to war but not like George Bush (the seems to be a universal sentiment among all candidates)

I'm still waiting for that speech.

 

DianeK

(975 posts)
9. I think that is the point actually..
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:06 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's speeches are not poll driven ...he has had the same speech and the same passion for 30 years...when he speaks..he speaks from his heart and he speaks truth!


Autumn

(45,108 posts)
10. It's my opinion that since his speech is to show the meaning of Democratic Socialism
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:06 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie is doing just fine. Thanks for your concern though.

brooklynite

(94,601 posts)
11. I don't personally mind what he says in this regard...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:08 PM
Nov 2015

...my candidate seems to be doing perfectly well attracting voters. It appears that Sanders still needs some.

Autumn

(45,108 posts)
12. He's doing just fine. He will gain new voters from this speech and retain the ones that support
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
Nov 2015

him now.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
15. I had a very positive reaction from his appearance at Georgetown today.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:46 PM
Nov 2015

And now that he has finished, I feel happy to share that with you.

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
22. Sanders is using a teleprompter for this speech. That is new: He usually doesn't use notes and speak
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:40 PM
Nov 2015


Dan Merica ?@danmericaCNN 2h2 hours ago

Sanders is using a teleprompter for this speech. That is new: He usually doesn't use notes and speaks extemporaneously.

drray23

(7,634 posts)
26. its downhill from there
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:45 PM
Nov 2015

He generated a lot of enthusiasm at first with his populist message. I suspec he has reached his peak. He is stuck in first gear repeating the same stump speech over and over. He is absolutely impervious to what is happening in the world, unable to articulate any policy in details, especially foreign policy. While both O'Malley and Hillary incorporate and comment on a wide range of issues as they are presented to them (i.e like it would be for a president during a time if crisis), Bernie just pivots back to his standard lines. I would not feel confident with him at the helm.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
29. Bernie Sanders added points about FDR to his stump speech.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:58 PM
Nov 2015

- The New Deal was denounced as "socialist" in the 1930s.

- FDR proposed a Second Bill of Rights because economic security is needed for freedom. Democratic socialism is about economic security & an economy which works for all of us.

Those additions are fine by me.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
34. If Hillary had given speeches like this for her entire political career
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:07 PM
Nov 2015

she would have been President 8 years ago.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
38. No because Obama
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:29 PM
Nov 2015

would have had a hard time going to her left. As it was he did that easily with not supporting the IWR.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
39. My Social Studies teacher gave that same basic speech 40 years ago and....
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:01 PM
Nov 2015

he couldn't even get tenure! I think Hillary will be a great POTUS for 8 years and she will do it with her own speeches. FDR was a Democrat and so is Hillary. Trying to claim that social programs created by a Democratic President and the Democratic party are owned by Socialists, is typical Bernie. He really thinks he invented the wheel!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
40. Nice I had a professor that had Bernie's philosophy as well
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:03 PM
Nov 2015

Only he never ran for President. Did your social studies teacher do that? Run for president?

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