2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt is my opinion that Sanders is largely reiterating points from his standard campaign speech...
...If the goal was to expand his appeal and his message to a larger pool of voters, as opposed to reinvigorating his existing supporters, I think he's going to find this speech won't have a lot of impact.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Is that tonight?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)"In my opinion, some opinions are less than useless."
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)but it's a good speech and the audience is receiving it well.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)The goal was to define what he means by democratic socialism. That's it. If it brings in new supporters, great. If not, at least people will (or should) stop asking him about it. In either case, hopefully it undemonizes the word 'socialist' just a little bit.
brooklynite
(94,601 posts)Speeches as part of campaigns have goals; ultimately that goal is to attract new voters or retain old ones.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Ultimately, you're right. The goal of any campaign is to win over voters, but there's a variety of more effective ways to do this that don't involve huge speeches. I think the hope of this speech is to appeal to people who might be afraid of the term 'democratic socialism' because they don't know what it is.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)Dan Merica ?@danmericaCNN 2h2 hours ago
Aside from the FDR lines, much of Sanders' speech has so far been pulled from his stump: Billionaires, super PACs, fall of the middle class.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Given what you say about yourself in real life is true, I doubt you fail to understand one of the many purposes of Sanders' campaign. Thus I take much of what you say here as sounding ignorant but not being ignorant. So what you are is disingenuous.
That is expected.
What is odd to me for all of you self-proclaimed "realist" politicos is how insecure you all seem with Clinton's lead in this race.
You sound scared, petulant, and arrogant.
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Walk away
(9,494 posts)Some of us just expected the great game changing speech that has been promised for weeks now! I actually thought this was a lecture he was giving at GWU before he gave his televised speech that was going to rock the world.
I'm a big fan of FDR and all of the social programs he instituted but that is not the definition of Socialism There was no explanation about how any of his "add-ons" to existing programs would be accomplished. It just seemed like a lecture since it was basically a bunch of nice ideas without telling us who is going to pay for it.
Then he said he would go to war but not like George Bush (the seems to be a universal sentiment among all candidates)
I'm still waiting for that speech.
valerief
(53,235 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Too bad he isn't wearing stilettos!
DianeK
(975 posts)Bernie's speeches are not poll driven ...he has had the same speech and the same passion for 30 years...when he speaks..he speaks from his heart and he speaks truth!
Autumn
(45,108 posts)Bernie is doing just fine. Thanks for your concern though.
brooklynite
(94,601 posts)...my candidate seems to be doing perfectly well attracting voters. It appears that Sanders still needs some.
Autumn
(45,108 posts)him now.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(45,108 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)And now that he has finished, I feel happy to share that with you.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)brooklynite
(94,601 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)riversedge
(70,243 posts)Dan Merica ?@danmericaCNN 2h2 hours ago
Sanders is using a teleprompter for this speech. That is new: He usually doesn't use notes and speaks extemporaneously.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)and monotonous catch phrase.
drray23
(7,634 posts)He generated a lot of enthusiasm at first with his populist message. I suspec he has reached his peak. He is stuck in first gear repeating the same stump speech over and over. He is absolutely impervious to what is happening in the world, unable to articulate any policy in details, especially foreign policy. While both O'Malley and Hillary incorporate and comment on a wide range of issues as they are presented to them (i.e like it would be for a president during a time if crisis), Bernie just pivots back to his standard lines. I would not feel confident with him at the helm.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Many will just not notice.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)- The New Deal was denounced as "socialist" in the 1930s.
- FDR proposed a Second Bill of Rights because economic security is needed for freedom. Democratic socialism is about economic security & an economy which works for all of us.
Those additions are fine by me.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)she would have been President 8 years ago.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)would have had a hard time going to her left. As it was he did that easily with not supporting the IWR.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)he couldn't even get tenure! I think Hillary will be a great POTUS for 8 years and she will do it with her own speeches. FDR was a Democrat and so is Hillary. Trying to claim that social programs created by a Democratic President and the Democratic party are owned by Socialists, is typical Bernie. He really thinks he invented the wheel!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Only he never ran for President. Did your social studies teacher do that? Run for president?