2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton legacy versus Obama legacy: Do we progress forward or retreat back from Obama's legacy?
I like president Obama, and I'd take a third Obama term, but that is not an option.
Since we are going to have to replace Obama, we could either replace him with someone who is more of a pacifist or someone who is more hawkish. I prefer the former (Sanders) and not the later (Clinton).
We could replace Obama with someone who supports more regulation of the financial institutions as compared to Obama's regulatory policy or someone who supports less regulation of financial institutions as compared to Obama. I prefer the former (Sanders) and not the later (Clinton).
We could replace Obama with someone who would be less inclined than Obama to put US labor and manufacturers in unfair competition with foreign products that are cheaper because the foreign companies do not have to comply with worker rights and wages up to US standards of living and environmental protections or someone who would be more inclined than Obama to put US labor and manufacturers in unfair competition with foreign products. I prefer the former (Sanders) and not the later (Clinton).
Since Obama cannot run for a third term, we can either progress past Obama or retreat back from Obama. I prefer the former (Sanders) and not the later (Clinton).
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Clinton is not going to take us forward. It is my opinion IF (big if) she wins the nomination, she will regress further back to the middle than where she is now and possibly past where she stood prior to this run at the nomination. She simply is not a liberal -- I am a liberal. Her positions in the past, at least to me, do not bode well for the support to progressive positions in the future.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I hope you realize why this post got so few recs and replies.
90% of the people in this forum are Bernie supporters. Many of those same people don't like Obama because they think he's a corporate sell-out warmonger who is hell bent on cutting Social Security....yada yada yada.
That's why this only has one rec at the moment.
Me? I think Obama has done a fantastic job and I voted for him twice. I'd vote for him a third time if I could, but the vast majority of Bernie supporters here feel differently .
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)never remember my password so I just open a new account.
I've been here (off and on) since 2003.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)don't share your opinion about Obama.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)best president in at least a third of a century, but if they had a choice between Obama (as he governed) versus and a more progressive Obama (as he campaigned), they would chose the more progressive Obama.
I also think the vast majority of Sanders supporters -- like me -- think Hillary Clinton is a much better alternative to whatever nutjob the Republicans nominate and, while she is not the progressive liberal we would prefer, she would warrant out support if she is the nominee.
If you have been around here for past primaries, I don't have to remind you of this fact -- the primary fight is vigorous but the PUMAs come back to the fold.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Know your audience. The majority of them are not big fans of Obama.
BTW, I supported Obama over Hillary in 2008.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Most Bernie supporters appreciate the good Obama has done but are also willing to criticize failings.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Honest, that's the reason I support the Center Right candidate. Honest!