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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:13 AM Nov 2015

Bernie's all or nothing uncompromising ideology is why he can't increase his base thus he can't be

the nominee.

Free college or nothing
$15 per hour hour or nothing
Break up the big banks or nothing
Glass Seagall or nothing
Increased taxes or nothing
economic justice or nothing

The Democratic party encompasses a broader range of opinions.



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Bernie's all or nothing uncompromising ideology is why he can't increase his base thus he can't be (Original Post) upaloopa Nov 2015 OP
I know, dude needs to pander, flip-flop, and triangulate more whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #1
PACS have changed to the positive. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #33
Right. Much better to start negotiations by conceding everything! You know, like Obama. Scuba Nov 2015 #2
You make the OP's point....Obama has a 90% approval rating among liberal dems. Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #8
So the question is: Are there enough low information voters for Hillary to win the GE? Scuba Nov 2015 #10
You're saying 90% of liberal dems are low information voters? nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #11
they always have some lame excuse why the real world isn't like their world on DU. Cha Nov 2015 #14
not sure but most probably are. that's just an american thing... most people watch football not cspa Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #18
Like the BS supporters here ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #30
False. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #3
Great points think Nov 2015 #4
Boom! Buh-bye OP-loopa - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #16
Thanks! I was going to post about Obamacare but I'd forgotten Dodd-Frank. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #21
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Nov 2015 #5
Ummm he is however pinebox Nov 2015 #6
the prospect of a Socialist in the White House redstateblues Nov 2015 #31
Interesting. That helps to explain the bernie-or-bust idealogy frequently seen here. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #7
I love when people post 'Interesting' in response to ops like this. Kentonio Nov 2015 #9
Ha!! :-D Good one! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #12
+1 Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #24
It's always been clear to me that Bernie is the One and only President for a very narrow base Sheepshank Nov 2015 #13
Bernie Sanders won't represent billionaires Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #20
Very boring. Cha Nov 2015 #15
Bernie is running against a celebrity image, and we know Americans asskiss celebrities! dmosh42 Nov 2015 #17
I'll just leave this here. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #19
since compromise is almost always necessary, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #22
And Clinton's constant lying, pandering, and flip flopping is why no one trusts her Doctor_J Nov 2015 #23
Clinton's ideology is much more flexible TSIAS Nov 2015 #25
What planet did you wake up on? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #26
You simply added "or nothing" to a bunch of his policy proposals AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #27
Wouldn't it just feel better MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #28
I've never heard Bernie say "or nothing". lob1 Nov 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author DJ13 Nov 2015 #32
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
8. You make the OP's point....Obama has a 90% approval rating among liberal dems.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

Those people obviously don't think he conceded everything and support his governing style.

I suppose you're part of the 10% of liberal dems that don't approve, but you've made the OP's point. It's why Bernie is down 30 points in a field of only 3 candidates.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. So the question is: Are there enough low information voters for Hillary to win the GE?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:36 AM
Nov 2015

Seems unlikely.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
30. Like the BS supporters here ...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:54 AM
Nov 2015

... who were complaining that last Saturday's debate was interfering with their football game-watching schedule?

I didn't see any HRC supporters whinging about having to choose between the debate and "the game".

Just sayin' is all.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
3. False.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:20 AM
Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders voted for Obamacare though he believes in single-payer.

He voted for Dodd-Frank though he'd rather restore Glass-Steagall.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
21. Thanks! I was going to post about Obamacare but I'd forgotten Dodd-Frank.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:14 PM
Nov 2015

His record makes clear that he believes in starting negotiations from a strong position. Obama tried the tack of starting at a point much closer to the other side's position. The result was that the Republicans gratefully accepted his unforced concessions and then, nevertheless, provided him with no votes (Obamacare) or almost no votes (stimulus).

From what Obama's said and done lately, my guess is that, if he had 2009 and 2010 to do over, he'd be more like Bernie. My further guess is that, although Obama's actual accomplishments have done immense good, he would have done even more good if he'd been more demanding from the start.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
6. Ummm he is however
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:30 AM
Nov 2015

And he reaches deeper than Hillary does.
One thing you're not realizing is that Bernie started out at 2%. Two percent! Look where he is now. The largest voting block among Dems is millennial voters to 18 year olds and they are NOT for Hillary.

Tell us, why would you want a candidate who triangulates and thinks she's going to be able to get anything done when the RW hates her so much to wrap her up in a giant Benghazi trial? Mark my words, if Hillary is the nominee, we're losing the election. She'll make the GOP base show up in record numbers. Bookmark what I've said. Do it!

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
9. I love when people post 'Interesting' in response to ops like this.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

What you actually mean is 'Hmm, yes you have posted an unsupported piece of personal opinion that happens to agree with my own unsupported personal opinion'.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
13. It's always been clear to me that Bernie is the One and only President for a very narrow base
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:46 AM
Nov 2015

He simply does not come across as a President who could represent ALL of the people.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
20. Bernie Sanders won't represent billionaires
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:13 PM
Nov 2015

...but they'll have plenty of representation in Congress, and so it will work out.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
22. since compromise is almost always necessary,
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

imo better to start high so there is room to adjust if necessary. if you toss out the wish list before even trying for any of it, the gop walks away with their bag of goodies and we are left with crumbs.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
25. Clinton's ideology is much more flexible
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:39 AM
Nov 2015

Sometimes she's a moderate, other times she's an unabashed progressive.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
27. You simply added "or nothing" to a bunch of his policy proposals
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:43 AM
Nov 2015

Did it take you all day to think that one up? Hope your brain isn't sore.

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