2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn Foreign Policy, Bernie Sanders will need to stop saying "I told you so"
The dynamics of the Election have changed, at least for the next few months.
Judgement is an important skill, but so is leadership. Iraq and Syria ARE unstable, with US troops in the area, and the US and Western Union nations ARE being threatened with terrorist activity.
Hillary Clinton will announce a national security strategy today, and I'm certain some of the Sanders supporters here will criticize it for being "hawkish" and "supporting endless war".
What will President Sanders do?
Unless he's going to advocate immediate withdrawal and isolation, US troops will continue to be engaged in Afghanistan and the Middle East. How will they be used? Will they be applied against ISIS?
Under Article 5, the US will be obligated to support other NATO countries. What will be our role?
Sanders has said that Muslim countries should take up the burden of fighting ISIS. How will his leadership skills encourage them to do so?
Sanders will need to espouse a clear policy in the near future. Giving the issue short shrift in favor of an economic message will damage any future prospects he has.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And people don't like "I told you so" because it highlights a failure that was avoidable and avoided by others.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Foreign policy is either blamed on the current Administration or rewarded.So in turn if the Isis problem becomes a military failure it goes against the party in power.And it wouldn't make any difference who is the democratic Party nominee but right now what's going.on in the middle east isn't a military failure as reference to the 13 keys.It has to be on the level of the Vietnam Nam war this doesn't come close regardless what the media and the republicans say
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Conflict that gave birth to ISIS??
Where have you been the last decade???
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)That place has always been a hot bed even before the war vote.Remember we lost hundreds of Marines.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Bernie needs to stop saying "iSIS is bad" and out forth a plan of action.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Using terrorism to scare up votes is their stock and trade.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So being correct about complex issues when your rival was incorrect is worth pointing out endlessly. Iraq was a decision poorly made by the majority, a bad decision for which we are still paying and for which our children are likely to be paying. Bernie Sanders was one of those who made the wise and correct choice. Hillary made the foolish and incorrect choice and that choice is still a burden on our nation and the world.
Good judgement is what creates a leader. Being right when it counts and when it is not easy to be right, that's the thing that others will follow. Bad judgement is what causes a lack of trust and an unwillingness to follow that bad judge. When your leadership's choices can mean life or death, affluence or poverty it is beyond vital that the leadership has flawless, proven decision making skills.
This is why 'I told you so' is in fact valid, powerful language in this case. It is also why it makes Hillary and her supporters so very uncomfortable. 'He has to stop pointing out his good judgement, he just hast to!!!!'
Good lord. Can you hear yourself?
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)There's a reason why it's only ever been used once, despite similar attacks on London, Madrid and countless other NATO cities since the treaty was agreed. It was never intended as a defense against terrorist groups, and when the US invoked it after 9/11 that was really a misuse of the treaty (though under the circumstances, it was hard to complain too much about it).
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)stronger Article 5 of NATO. This might be because Article 5 has been used just once and France did the right thing by not going to Iraq under Article 5....
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)He's got nothing on foreign policy and his mantra of "Wall Street Bad, Wall Street Bad' is getting old.
Hit the refresh button, Bernie.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Hands.
Why do you support someone with, at best, manifestly poor judgment?????
Autumn
(45,108 posts)the death of another countries leader, as nasty as he was, and should he vote for a war resolution on a sovereign nation that never attacked us or our country and had no capabilities to do so. Resulting in the deaths and maiming of countless human beings, theirs and ours. Then I'll consider your concern about his judgment and leadership skills on Foreign Policy. Until then I'm fine with what he's saying.