Old Dominion State Poll-Clinton 63% Sanders 27%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

https://www.umw.edu/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2015/11/UMW-VA-Survey-2015_Topline-Day-One.pdf

Methodolgy

Total Interviews: 1,006 Virginia adults, age 18 or older
402 landline interviews
604 cell phone interviews
Margins of error: ±3.5 percentage points for results based on Total [N=1,006]
±3.9 percentage points for results based on Registered voters [N=814]
±4.3 percentage points for results based on Likely voters [N=656]
(Likely voters defined as likely to vote in the November 2016 general election)
Interviewing dates: November 4-9, 2015
Interviewing language: English only

[JaneyVee]

1. Pulling away.

[riversedge]

57. State after state polling shows Hillary with command lead.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Thank you for kicking my thread and may the rest of your life be the rest of your life.

I am glad to give you that greeting again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. She is tough as f--king nails and smart as H--

Hillary Clinton is tough as f--king nails and smart as H-- and she balances that toughness and intelligence with empathy and compassion. She is a mix of Joan Of Arc, Mother Teresa, and Golda Meir.

[oasis]

11. Pre-Holm bout, Ronda Rousey tough

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Ronda felt the Bern of the mat.

[MaggieD]

6. Woo hoo!

K&R

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. My interlocutor disappeared.

[MaggieD]

8. LOL!

Hope s/he enjoyed their brief stay.

[NurseJackie]

10. You bring out the best in people I guess. <3

[calguy]

9. Won't be long

Before the Bernie folks show up to discredit the polling methods.
They're really feeling the "burn" these days.

[sufrommich]

13. ........k&r.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I was looking for songs about Virginia

Most of the old songs lyrics are racist.

[mcar]

14. K&R

[blackspade]

16. The point of these repeated posts is what?

To fucking demoralize Sanders and O'Malley supporters?
Demonstrate Clinton's fucking inevitability?
Should we just not fucking vote?
Should we just shutter the fucking doors and go home?
You all sit in the positions of fucking power within the party.
You control the fucking DNC.
You control the election fucking process.
We all fucking get it, she is currently fucking ahead.

Thank you, oh great one, for pointing out our fucking folly again...and again....and again......

[AlbertCat]

17. hank you, oh great one, for pointing out our fucking folly again...and again....and again......

B-b-but he's so damned polite!

[blackspade]

19. Never claimed to be. Never will be.

[AlbertCat]

21. Never claimed to be. Never will be.

Not you!

Your post was awesome!

[blackspade]

23. Thanks. I've finally snapped I guess.

Browbeating the fuck out of people that you eventually will want as allies seems to be counterproductive.
But when you are in the position of power any variance looks like a nail to be pounded over and over and over.
I'm tried to be civil. I've called out folks on my 'side' for going over the top, but those with the power can't help but treat all who are 'others' as the enemy.

Well, at this point I welcome their hatred. Because hatred is all they have and all they will ever be.

[NurseJackie]

66. I doubt that the hardcore Bernie supporters here ...

... are likely to ever become allies. I also think that their numbers here are insufficient in the real world to make much difference if they choose the be allies or not.

[blackspade]

67. So, don't bother making the attempt, eh?

So you're willing to jeopardize the general election to satisfy the urge to grind a potential candidate's loss in the primary in their supporter's faces?
Got it.

That sounds like an awesome idea.

[NurseJackie]

68. There are so few of the "Bernie or Bust" types that it doesn't matter.

I think they brought this on themselves. No sympathy from me.

[blackspade]

71. Then why go out of your way to alienate the shit out of the rest of us?

Because you can?
Is it a race to out asshole the "Bernie or Bust" types and everyone else is collateral damage?

If so, mission accomplished.

[NurseJackie]

72. I think it's safe to say,

that the non Bernie or bust voters are smart enough to distinguish the difference between needing that is not directed toward them. Unless they share some particular affinity with them, then it should not be so distressing. Who knew that the aggressive Bernie or bust people were so sensitive?

[blackspade]

73. Ah, typical. The old insult fall back.

Please proceed governor.
Keep digging the hole deeper.

[stupidicus]

18. to take complete ownership of her winning and holding up single-payer

greasing the path for the TPP and more warmongering.

All those that die from or suffer needlessly due to all that will be able to thank them for it, and we'll no doubt be here to remind them of how pathetic their choice was.

The latter is likely the only silver lining to all of this, and it is pretty much confined to our individual denunciations of them.

[PosterChild]

24. All he did was post about poll... chill ! eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. They want to cow me into silence.

I would literally rather die.

[blackspade]

29. Cow you into silence???

Talk about fucking projection.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. If you think...

Talk about fucking projection.

If you think you can cow me into silence by swearing at me you best pinch yourself because you must be dreaming.

[blackspade]

34. Exactly how am I cowing you into silence?

By asking you fucking questions?
By asking you explain the purpose of your post?

You and the rest of the Clinton supporters sit in the position of power here at DU and within the party, so how exactly am I bullying you?

[blackspade]

28. Yep. again and again and again

It's a form of bullying.

What purpose does it serve other than to fucking piss other candidate's supporters off?
These posts belong in the Clinton Forum.

[PosterChild]

54. LOL, You're being bullied by a poll?

The purpose of posting polls to the general discussion primaries forum is to keep us up to date on the progress of the primary.

If you think the OP is bullying alert it and make your case.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. On the front pages of this forum

On the front pages of this forum are threads and posts that suggest Hillary is

-a liar
-untrustworthy
-demented
-fat
- a war monger
-a corporate tool
-race baiter
-homophobe

et cetera and I am a bad guy for posting a poll?

[Hekate]

70. They are such delicate flowers -- with filthy mouths. Go figure.

Also really really good at projection.

[treestar]

59. It's just a poll

They seem repeated but they are for different states. Since that's the way our system works.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. If you don't like my posts put me on ignore.

If you don't like my posts please put me on ignore.

I have no truck with nor fear of bullies.


Thank you in advance.

[blackspade]

32. I don't like these posts because they are bullying.

Normally your posts are pretty decent, but your continued browbeating of other candidate's supporters has gone over the top.
What is the goal? Voter suppression?
Demoralization?
What?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. There is a thread here that suggests Hillary Clinton has dementia with over 400 replies...

There is a thread here that suggests Hillary Clinton has dementia with over 400 replies* and I'm the bad guy for posting a poll?


Posters need to stop spitting in other poster's eyes and calling it mist.


I rather not see the sunrise than stop what I am doing.


*not too hard to miss it...it's on the front page.

[blackspade]

36. Did I put that post up?

No. Had I seen it I would have called bullshit on it.
Clinton does not have dementia. She is a canny political operator so let's put that distraction to bed.
So back to your post.
You talk about the "need to stop spitting in other poster's eyes and calling it mist," well perhaps you should take your own advice.

I rather not see the sunrise than stop what I am doing.

And what exactly are you doing? That was what I was asking.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. "And what exactly are you doing? That was what I was asking. "

Fighting fire with fire...


Oh, there is a thread on the front page with fifty plus recommends that say Hillary Clinton is dishonest and untrustworthy and I'm the bad guy for posting a poll ?

" I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right!"

[blackspade]

41. So you're deliberately agitating.

And I never said you were a 'bad guy.'
I was questioning your motivation. But you answered that for me. Thanks.

I do like the canned quotes though. So inspirational.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. My motivation

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster."

I come here and I see someone I admire trashed on a daily basis and I respond...


At least I'm not trashing Bernie Sanders here every day.

[sufrommich]

56. You're in a forum created for the democratic primary,

posting polls here is the norm,you've been here since 2004 and you don't know this?

[treestar]

60. how is a poll demoralizing?

how does it suppress votes? Why feel browbeat over a poll saying your candidate isn't winning?

Do you feel bad for poor demoralized Karl Rove who didn't even want to hear about the real polls?

[leftofcool]

35. DU Tip #1.......Use the ignore button.

Hope this helps.

[blackspade]

37. Nope, it doesn't help.

It avoids accountability.

[MrMickeysMom]

48. Results of jury service...

They can't seem to take a rant very well, I think...

On Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The point of these repeated posts is what?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=822667

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Over the top. Relax.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:08 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The never ending mantra of "you can never win" drones on and on like the Taos hum, it drive people mad slowly. Sometimes it boils over. A rant is a pressure relief valve.
Leave it be, it might help the next person stand the pressure a bit longer.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh. Someone thought this was over the top? Not even in the top ten million of harsh things I've seen here. Actually, I get the impression this was alerted on simply for dropping the F word -- which will indeed offend me if this place is becoming the pearl-clutching church lady and losing its fucking way.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think I see who needs to relax here. It's alert city around these parts. Talk a walk.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. I certainly didn't alert on it but I am glad my fellow Hillary supporters have my back.

I certainly didn't alert on it but I am glad my fellow Hillary supporters have my back. I would lay down my life for them:

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

-John 15:13

[MrMickeysMom]

50. Gee, DSB, you'd give your life for them?

You're a pretty loyal person.

We should talk about the issues sometime.

[treestar]

58. To report what the polls say?

You want to ignore what the polls say?

And be protected from finding out what they say?

[Vattel]

20. It sucks that a liar with a horrible record on military issues might be our next CIC,

but at this point it looks like she will at least be the democratic nominee.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Hate is corrosive. It destroys the container

It sucks that a liar with a horrible record on military issues might be our next CIC, but at this point it looks like she will at least be the democratic nominee.

-Vattel

Hate is corrosive. It destroys the container

<patiently awaits for more venom>

[Vattel]

42. Just stating the truth. She has been caught being dishonest on many occasions.

And she has on multiple occasions wrongly supported the use of military force.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. I will be happy enough for the both of us when she's #45

[Vattel]

46. I will be really happy if she beats her republican opponent (assuming she is

the nominee).

[treestar]

61. multiple occasions?

[Vattel]

69. Yes.

She supported the invasion of Iraq, she supported regime change in Libya, she supported Israel's disproportionate bombing in Gaza, she argued for an even bigger troop increase and expanded war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. You might argue that some of these were good uses of military force. I would argue that they were all unjustifiable.

[lunamagica]

22. Yessssssssssssss!

More polled using a cell phone than a land line.

Another meme debunked

[Historic NY]

30. K&R for Virginia...

must be all my Democratic relatives that moved there.

[Cha]

39. Good to see! thank you, DSB~

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Hillary is trashed all over the place here, Cha, and I'm the bad guy for posting polls.

SMH

[Cha]

43. Lots of Sour Grapes here and you're a breath of fresh air!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. I am trying to watch a basketball game while defending my honor.

EOM

[Thinkingabout]

51. K & R

Thanks for sharing, looking good, she has had two good debates and has shown her ease with foreign affairs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Thinkingabout, Hillary is trashed all over the place here and I'm the bad guy for posting polls

SMH

[Thinkingabout]

53. Yes, her poll numbers are in the right direction, lots of work to do but the results will be rewardi

[NurseJackie]

62. +1

[Bobbie Jo]

63. K&R

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. We have a lot of work to do...

The G E is going to be tough...When HRC wins IA and NH the race will essentially the primary will effective be over and we can concentrate on the General.

[Bobbie Jo]

65. Indeed we do...

The clown car occupants won't be going down quietly.