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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:35 PM Nov 2015

Hillary Clinton Goes Bush League

By William Rivers Pitt

Just a shade over 24 hours after 129 people were slaughtered in Paris by terrorists, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton took the debate stage in Iowa and utterly disgraced herself in a way that would have been shocking were it not so utterly mundane a phenomenon in modern US politics. One of her opponents, Bernie Sanders, tagged her with the millions of dollars in campaign contributions she has received from the very Wall Street financial firms that burned down the US economy some years ago. Sanders essentially said those firms expect a return on their investment, and he was exactly right.

Secretary Clinton bristled. "Wait a minute," she replied, "he has basically used his answer to impugn my integrity. Let's be frank here." Rather than be frank, however, Clinton went completely sideways and claimed that she takes barrels of corrupt Wall Street cash because 9/11 happened, or something. I've been watching political debates of all kinds since God wore short pants, and this ranked right up there with the most vile, disingenuous, sneaky, low-road slippery debate statements I have ever heard.

To wit:

You know, not only do I have hundreds of thousands of donors, most of them small, I am very proud that for the first time a majority of my donors are women, 60 percent. So I - I represented New York. And I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is. I did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. That was good for New York. It was good for the economy. And it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country.



So, let me get this straight. Because Clinton has a lot of women who donate to her campaign, and because two airliners obliterated the World Trade Center in an attack that had people jumping to their deaths out of 100-story windows on live television, her acceptance of millions in dirty money has something to do with being good for the economy, and because it is a "rebuke" to the terrorists.

Gotcha.

On a peaceful sunny day, invoking 9/11 as a means of misdirecting a legitimate critique of the company she keeps, and of the expectations those friends have for the checks they write, would be grossly inappropriate. When she dropped that line, Parisians were still hosing blood off the sidewalks, sweeping up the broken glass and trying to identify the dead. The people in the US she seeks to represent - most specifically New Yorkers, who were shaken by the Paris attack and whom she invoked so passionately - were used by her to score some debate points. Her invocation of 9/11 was not some verbal oops; it was a deliberate waving of the bloody shirt at a time when the nation and the world were still reeling from the events of the day before.

A number of commentators have compared Secretary Clinton's 9/11 debate comment to the 2008 campaign tactics of Rudy Giuliani, who 9/11 couldn't go 9/11 to the men's room 9/11 without 9/11 invoking 9/11 9/11 like a verbal hiccup 9/11. That tactic worked about as well as the wax wings Icarus used when he flew too close to the sun. It was grotesque then, and is grotesque now, but doing so on the doorstep of a massacre puts Clinton into a whole other category.

In baseball, when a player pulls some punk move - headhunting with a fastball, cleat-spiking during a slide, failing to run out a pop fly - the game has a universal retort: "That's bush league." Bush league is precisely where candidate Clinton has parked herself ... and that's "Bush" with a capital "B."

This is What It All Means:

Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney and the rest of that noxious cabal used the false intelligence provided by Chalabi to intimidate and terrify the nation into war, fulfilling a conquest dream they had been cuddling since Nixon was chased from office. They, by way of a useful fool named George W. Bush and with the full compliance of the media, deliberately employed the September 11 attacks against the US people as a means of getting their war, and the financial/political payday it came to be. It was a crime, as-yet unpunished, and Hillary Clinton voted for it.

That she would pivot a question about her questionable campaign financing into a self-serving harangue about 9/11, one day after the Paris catastrophe, is an act of verbal violence beyond moral repair. Know this: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest created ISIS, which I shall henceforth refer to as Daesh, by way of that war. They got their war by using 9/11 against their own people at a time when those people were feeling most vulnerable. People are feeling vulnerable again after Paris, and Hillary Clinton used 9/11 one scant day after the bloodletting to get Bernie Sanders off her back, and to lay a brick to the topic, because she does not like talking about her friends in low places.

People who will say anything to win office are truly frightening, and truly dangerous. Welcome to the Bush league, candidate Clinton. You just graduated.


Truth Out

Oops. I goofed on the excerpt thing. Fixed

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Hillary Clinton Goes Bush League (Original Post) marym625 Nov 2015 OP
Hey, using facts and rational analysis is not fair! ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2015 #1
Vanilla Rhapsody has already sent a pm marym625 Nov 2015 #7
of course she is. ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2015 #12
Absolutely amazing that people can be on forced vacation marym625 Nov 2015 #18
Boy, that's for sure. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #63
yeah, kind of crazy marym625 Nov 2015 #68
I've never blocked anyone, or put anyone on Ignore, bvar22 Nov 2015 #114
Same here... Hepburn Nov 2015 #119
Me too and it stinks. MuseRider Nov 2015 #140
I am now over 60 on ignore. First time I've used it in 11 yrs NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #153
Oh, my, and I thought I had most likely out done everyone! Wow! n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #261
Seriously? FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #391
I prefer to try changing minds...worked in a few cases. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #273
Neither have I, but I've recently considered Duval Nov 2015 #167
+1,000 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #215
I had to start also. Some are deliberately trying to bait progressives into getting PPR'd. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #258
I had one person on ignore for a decade ... Trajan Nov 2015 #332
Cali was back one day they stalked her off again and SwampG8r Nov 2015 #356
That is amazing. Unlike long time actual contributers who got banned for one sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #125
. Dragonfli Nov 2015 #147
Wait, is there a rule about not posting nasty PMs publicly? I think they should all be sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #157
There is no such rule I am aware of, once, trolling via PM was frowned upon Dragonfli Nov 2015 #162
If someone sends a nasty PM post it awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #305
Jack Green got a hide for publishing a PM riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #378
Weird... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #380
Well I told that person when i received a PM that I don't do back channeling and would post sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #382
that was alerted? marym625 Nov 2015 #164
You do understand why don't you Mary? There is likely a connection between the trollish PM Dragonfli Nov 2015 #166
kind of messy picture those dots make marym625 Nov 2015 #182
Too bad they don't have something to get rid of the dots... cui bono Nov 2015 #239
Or a cloth MuseRider Nov 2015 #334
Guess they didn't dig what they had to say.... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #231
guess not. I just said what happened. marym625 Nov 2015 #245
What a ridiculous alert. cui bono Nov 2015 #241
They forget that a lot of old posters like me are still around and remember what DU once was Dragonfli Nov 2015 #265
Yep. Autonomy is good. Or something like that. marym625 Nov 2015 #155
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #216
Bernie slanders his rival ... Tortmaster Nov 2015 #313
And who were you before you were kicked off? ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2015 #314
See. This is what I'm talking about! Tortmaster Nov 2015 #315
That's alright. I blocked her a long time ago. HubertHeaver Nov 2015 #13
I blocked her once marym625 Nov 2015 #19
My block list is empty. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #72
so is mine. shh. That's a secret. :) marym625 Nov 2015 #75
+1 MissDeeds Nov 2015 #143
Not the pre-block warning! Is that to give you time to repent, or face the horror of being blocked? arcane1 Nov 2015 #22
I don't know. I guess so. marym625 Nov 2015 #30
I'd consider that a good thing. nt TBF Nov 2015 #23
I'm not complaining marym625 Nov 2015 #31
Oh no!! Autumn Nov 2015 #29
Thank you, Autumn. marym625 Nov 2015 #33
We can cry together. Autumn Nov 2015 #42
LMFAO! marym625 Nov 2015 #45
All kidding aside though, posters should always post unsolicited DU mails like that. Autumn Nov 2015 #121
I agree with that! Post them. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #127
really? marym625 Nov 2015 #151
Yeah that was back when he started the jury system here Autumn Nov 2015 #154
interesting. marym625 Nov 2015 #159
That's why we can now read posts hidden by juries. Back when there were mods Autumn Nov 2015 #160
Ah. ok. that's cool. I like those changes marym625 Nov 2015 #168
But... we can no longer see how many times someone has been on a jury. cui bono Nov 2015 #297
Maybe we SwampG8r Nov 2015 #357
Is he on timeout again? Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #34
Yep. again. And again. And again. marym625 Nov 2015 #48
Wow! She's still around? tularetom Nov 2015 #43
I guess she likes to send pms. marym625 Nov 2015 #49
She sends PMS by E-Mail? bvar22 Nov 2015 #137
LMAO! marym625 Nov 2015 #156
For posterity - I'm Juror 2 for what it is worth. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #242
Wear it like a badge of honor.... daleanime Nov 2015 #51
I am. marym625 Nov 2015 #54
Really? For posting this? Duval Nov 2015 #165
if this statement is alert worthy marym625 Nov 2015 #181
I would frylock Nov 2015 #274
maybe another time marym625 Nov 2015 #288
Hi. I don't mean to pry, but from what is she going to merrily Nov 2015 #188
I assume she means put me on ignore marym625 Nov 2015 #191
I love when people put me on ignore. merrily Nov 2015 #192
I hear tell, it's the wise thing to do. marym625 Nov 2015 #198
As I said, it took ten years of posting before I lost my ignore virginity. merrily Nov 2015 #200
one day. maybe marym625 Nov 2015 #202
Not trying to persuade you. No one could have persuaded me merrily Nov 2015 #204
Maybe she's a lingerie league football player SwampG8r Nov 2015 #358
YES! That's it I'm sure! marym625 Nov 2015 #371
I feel your pain... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #218
I know. It's pretty sad. marym625 Nov 2015 #226
You are SO lucky! n/t tazkcmo Nov 2015 #238
Heehee! marym625 Nov 2015 #249
How can you be so lucky. I wish she'd block me. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #257
Post a William Pitt article marym625 Nov 2015 #264
She is already on mine Old Codger Nov 2015 #333
I know you're not the only one with a large ignore list marym625 Nov 2015 #343
Much much Old Codger Nov 2015 #348
I never go there. Maybe they're busy elsewhere. Out campaigning no doubt. n/t marym625 Nov 2015 #349
She must be... Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #373
Lucky you. nt malokvale77 Nov 2015 #379
These posts are just Sanders propaganda: Sanders people having nothing to do but bash lewebley3 Nov 2015 #225
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #2
While he wrote my thoughts, I can't take credit marym625 Nov 2015 #8
Quoting Will Pitt as a your pundit of choice? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #3
Yep. The article is perfect. marym625 Nov 2015 #10
Well, yeah, if you like yellow "journalism": Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #39
But it's true. senz Nov 2015 #53
Right. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #60
Democratic principles should be evident in a candidate senz Nov 2015 #78
Well, I have never had any respect for Will Pitt. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #85
I get the impression that you have not been paying close attention senz Nov 2015 #103
I am less appalled by Hillary's comments than the behavior of the Bernouts here. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #110
"It's an interesting phenomenon at DU how divisive the contributors can be during the primary season marym625 Nov 2015 #189
As if calling Sanders supporters "Bernouts" is contributing to the conversation somehow arcane1 Nov 2015 #228
what substance has been brought to this thread other than from Bernie supporters? marym625 Nov 2015 #232
I wasn't aware of it! Alas, I am already booked for Saturday. arcane1 Nov 2015 #233
that's the best reason to miss it EVER! marym625 Nov 2015 #246
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #107
Scum? Just Will Pitt. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #111
"he cannot help it if some of his supporters are scum" That's more than one person. jhart3333 Nov 2015 #130
Are you attempting to bait me into insulting you? Won't happen. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #131
I am Will Pitt, bvar22 Nov 2015 #135
I, too, am Will Pitt. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #174
Calling Will Pitt scum is "nice talk?" Pot. Kettle. nt merrily Nov 2015 #141
Back atcha. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #175
You reply makes no sense whatever. I did not call you a bad name. merrily Nov 2015 #178
Nor did I call you a name. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #183
Dunno. I commented on your calling Pitt scum while complaining about another poster's language, merrily Nov 2015 #186
If you don't like DUers, you can always close your account Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #303
So nice of you! More inclusivity from the Sanders crowd. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #318
Seriously, no one is forcing you to stay here if there is so much distain for people Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #321
Seriously: Thank you so much for inviting me to leave. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #322
Again, the option is still there if DU members are that odious to you. Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #323
Thanks for reminding a second time that I can leave. It gets sweeter upon repetition. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #324
I have no friends here because I'm not looking for them online, thanks Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #325
Ah, that's adorable but so sad. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #326
Why should I hate on someone I don't know Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #327
It will solve a problem for both of us. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #328
By the way, about this: "you can always close your account" Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #330
Yes better than cronies who SwampG8r Nov 2015 #359
Yeah! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #363
Sorry I was late but the pile you made was still steaming SwampG8r Nov 2015 #364
You're attempting to explain the shit on your shoes and the dung tracks everywhere you go? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #365
My shoes are clean SwampG8r Nov 2015 #366
That's nice. Be a good reptile and go play in the bayou. Daddy has work to do. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #367
You should do some thing about your anger issues SwampG8r Nov 2015 #368
Ok. Run along now. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #369
OK I will but do try to manage that anger SwampG8r Nov 2015 #370
This reminds me of something we used to hear murielm99 Nov 2015 #372
Just curious, but I've seen many Hillary supporters say... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #336
Don't hold your breath SwampG8r Nov 2015 #360
Extremely well said, senz. RiverLover Nov 2015 #316
It's an editorial. That's what they do n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #79
True, true. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #88
why, you sound absolutely jealous. marym625 Nov 2015 #142
Not the word I'd have chosen. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #176
"Not the word I'd have chosen." tazkcmo Nov 2015 #247
Yeah, well, I would not have chosen "talent' to describe Pitt. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #254
Facts are facts, no matter how colorfully they are presented. It was Giuliani level sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #179
I am calling out Pitt on his insulting screed, not the facts. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #184
So the facts are true you just hate pitt SwampG8r Nov 2015 #361
I re-read my response a couple of times... Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #362
Sounds like he did go... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #219
Perfect I tells ya! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #105
Yes, you tells it good! marym625 Nov 2015 #145
Do you have anything better to offer in rebuttal than an ad hominem attack? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #21
No n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #27
That question was not directed at you, and your answer was incorrect. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #90
My comment was 100% correct, as evidenced in this thread arcane1 Nov 2015 #97
heh heh Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #101
Ad hominem? There was no ad hominem attack, just amusement. But, something better? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #35
Can you please use some verbage? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #56
"I overslept this morning and still have a few cobwebs upstairs." Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #61
Mercy! Thanks Jack Rabbit. I thought I'd lost my eyesight! Duval Nov 2015 #173
Because Will Pitt was wrong once in 2006 Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #177
Exactly! marym625 Nov 2015 #195
IIRC, it was Jason Leopold that wrote that article I_AM_SAM Nov 2015 #374
Correct. Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #383
Wow, facts and William Rivers Pitt. Autumn Nov 2015 #4
couldn't agree more marym625 Nov 2015 #11
I almost posted it myself Oilwellian Nov 2015 #32
Thank you. marym625 Nov 2015 #36
It's good to see Will's writing here on DU again. Autumn Nov 2015 #55
I agree Oilwellian Nov 2015 #74
Totally agree -- he is one of my favorites. n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #122
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #5
wish he were here to post himself. marym625 Nov 2015 #25
Me, too. Duval Nov 2015 #180
Thank you. And I for you. marym625 Nov 2015 #185
The nerve of some people, using her actual words and forming an opinion of them! arcane1 Nov 2015 #6
I know! What is this world coming to? marym625 Nov 2015 #14
Didn't Pappy Bush adopt Bill? hootinholler Nov 2015 #9
why yes, he did. marym625 Nov 2015 #16
Georgie and Bill are best buds... Segami Nov 2015 #24
This should set off warning bells all over the place. marym625 Nov 2015 #26
"Ooo that money feels so goood.... senz Nov 2015 #57
Look at that LOVE! They even have almost matching ties.... KoKo Nov 2015 #139
Them Clintons sure love that insider power Joe Turner Nov 2015 #377
Keeping it real: KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #387
Does it really surprise anyone? Segami Nov 2015 #15
I've been saying the same thing. marym625 Nov 2015 #17
K&R berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #20
He's such an excellent writer marym625 Nov 2015 #37
He really packs a punch Gmak Nov 2015 #65
cool! I'll have to listen marym625 Nov 2015 #70
Mr Pitt rocks 99Forever Nov 2015 #28
He does! marym625 Nov 2015 #40
If we regulate Wall Street, the terrorists win! Scuba Nov 2015 #38
I know! It's horrible to think of what they would do if we regulated WS! marym625 Nov 2015 #41
I imagine bin Laden was in tears over Hillary getting bags of cash from Wall Street. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #69
Thanks for posting this. I miss Will. Tommymac Nov 2015 #44
as do I. He's something special. marym625 Nov 2015 #67
the commentary is just an opinion from somebody with a for profit website nt msongs Nov 2015 #46
Can be said of every Hillary-supporting website. senz Nov 2015 #50
For profit? wilsonbooks Nov 2015 #58
Thank you. you beat me to it. n/t marym625 Nov 2015 #73
Thank you! Should always check rightwing claims. senz Nov 2015 #92
That doesn't mean that the contributors don't get paid. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #95
What the heck? druidity33 Nov 2015 #317
"but some of us have more important things to do." Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #319
A for profit website? ornotna Nov 2015 #291
"vile, disingenuous, sneaky, low-road slippery" -- couldn't have said it better myself. senz Nov 2015 #47
We sure don't deserve this! n/t marym625 Nov 2015 #77
It's Will Pitt so I can't even read it MaggieD Nov 2015 #52
No kidding. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #62
This is about what Hillary said (twice in a few minutes). It 1monster Nov 2015 #71
you can't even read it? marym625 Nov 2015 #80
What are you going to do if Bernie loses the nomination? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #99
I don't have to worry about that. marym625 Nov 2015 #102
Well, at least you have a plan. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #106
Clinton doesn't have the numbers despite polls. I_AM_SAM Nov 2015 #375
Absolutely will not read any of Pitt's garbage MaggieD Nov 2015 #113
I'm sure he's agonizing over that. marym625 Nov 2015 #148
Couldn't care less MaggieD Nov 2015 #152
obviously, that's not true. Your replies betray you. marym625 Nov 2015 #158
Couldn't care less what you think either MaggieD Nov 2015 #161
I should hope not. marym625 Nov 2015 #169
LOL -- you've never "smeared" Bernie....oh nooo..... senz Nov 2015 #108
Damn right I have MaggieD Nov 2015 #112
MaggieD's reaction is similar to a lot of long-time DUers: Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #115
People need to know what Hillary does, what she says, and senz Nov 2015 #120
Yep! Give us the skinny on what she says! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #123
I call BS on that MaggieD Nov 2015 #124
Seriously? Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #220
Yes, seriously MaggieD Nov 2015 #222
I didn't think it was possible to be more disgusted by her. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #59
Not possible to be more disgusted by Hillary? Please Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #104
The name-calling is proof that the OP hit a nerve n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #229
Irony is definitely not dead! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #227
Irony is definitely not dead... Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #384
Sorry... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #381
Really? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #385
I've never missed an election. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #390
Interesting. If HRC is the Dem nominee, you will vote for her in the general? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #392
Nice try. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #393
So that is a no. Ok. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #394
Actually, it is as I stated. nt malokvale77 Nov 2015 #395
Same here. But she never fails to surprise me. marym625 Nov 2015 #83
Oh my goodness - K/R 840high Nov 2015 #66
it's good. Thank you marym625 Nov 2015 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #76
+1 marym625 Nov 2015 #86
She went there a long time ago ibegurpard Nov 2015 #81
I think the timing here made it even worse. marym625 Nov 2015 #89
THANK YOU WILLIAM Skittles Nov 2015 #82
I hope he's reading the thread marym625 Nov 2015 #91
tell him and his mum Skittles said HI Skittles Nov 2015 #94
Will do! marym625 Nov 2015 #100
Please do. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #116
Bernie Supporters go Romney League! Gamecock Lefty Nov 2015 #87
I find it very sad that Hillary supporters marym625 Nov 2015 #96
Well, invoking 9/11 as a defense for taking huge corporate donations would be in a league of sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #255
Oh, you are back question everything Nov 2015 #93
what? marym625 Nov 2015 #98
He didn't come back, nothing stopping others from posting his excellent writing though. Autumn Nov 2015 #126
No, he isn't back! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #256
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #109
Thank you, Enthusiast! marym625 Nov 2015 #196
DURec. bvar22 Nov 2015 #117
You're welcome. And thank you. marym625 Nov 2015 #199
2 Defining Moments For Me billhicks76 Nov 2015 #118
I'd seen her "Muslim" attacks on Obama but hadn't known about senz Nov 2015 #134
Had to google that, senz. Duval Nov 2015 #193
I'm speechless marym625 Nov 2015 #203
This Guy Briefed Presidents billhicks76 Nov 2015 #236
The word is 'Nixon-esque' - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #388
What? marym625 Nov 2015 #201
Holy shit marym625 Nov 2015 #205
I Can't Believe People Don't Know This billhicks76 Nov 2015 #237
I might have blocked it marym625 Nov 2015 #248
Get The Word Out billhicks76 Nov 2015 #281
they're excusing the war in Iraq marym625 Nov 2015 #292
Fake Democrats billhicks76 Nov 2015 #308
I did not know either MuseRider Nov 2015 #262
Commondreams.org First To Report billhicks76 Nov 2015 #279
Thank you. MuseRider Nov 2015 #283
They Are No Better Than Republicans Then billhicks76 Nov 2015 #306
Make it an OP - because it was new to me too. Thanks! nt. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #309
The only shit those lives meant MuseRider Nov 2015 #331
Thank You For Your Words billhicks76 Nov 2015 #347
Here's The Report...Make It Viral! billhicks76 Nov 2015 #350
thank you marym625 Nov 2015 #353
Her smirk was priceless. frylock Nov 2015 #276
Clintonites In Denial billhicks76 Nov 2015 #280
They've all seen it.. frylock Nov 2015 #282
Pitt. LOL...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #128
+1 BootinUp Nov 2015 #275
What is even worse than HRC's answer sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #129
That truly amazed me -- I heard that applause and my jaw dropped. n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #133
She had a coterie of applauders at the debate. senz Nov 2015 #138
Now she is hiring "applauders"? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #396
You're poring over month-old threads to respond to me? senz Dec 2015 #397
And that changes what exactly? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #398
It's weird. Why the focus on me? senz Dec 2015 #399
Why not? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #400
Because we are here to discuss current events and pollitics senz Dec 2015 #401
I didn't follow you VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #402
I don't know that it was worse marym625 Nov 2015 #206
Outstanding Mr. Pitt! MuseRider Nov 2015 #132
Yes, it helps to watch the debate with sensible companions. senz Nov 2015 #144
It has probably been a long time MuseRider Nov 2015 #170
Well said marym625 Nov 2015 #207
Good article. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #136
I think it's one of his best. marym625 Nov 2015 #208
Fall in love in the primaries..... zwyziec Nov 2015 #146
that's the party line. marym625 Nov 2015 #209
Sometimes I wonder is Pitt gets paid by the snear... kjones Nov 2015 #149
How sad that you don't seem to understand the corrosive effects money has sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #197
Doesn't Bernie work for the government? kjones Nov 2015 #307
that's some good hyperbole. marym625 Nov 2015 #210
I know but I just love this thread Rose Siding Nov 2015 #263
WRP nails it again MissDeeds Nov 2015 #150
you're welcome. marym625 Nov 2015 #211
marym625, I'm so grateful to you for posting this. Duval Nov 2015 #163
you're welcome. marym625 Nov 2015 #212
Ummmm...let's see.... N.Y. to Paris Nov 2015 #171
I agree. marym625 Nov 2015 #214
+1!!! None of Hillary's fans have tried to justify or even acknowledge her avoidance to answering Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #172
of course not ibegurpard Nov 2015 #190
yes, they have tried to justify it. marym625 Nov 2015 #217
I posted about the PNAC last night Rilgin Nov 2015 #187
I don't believe for a minute she believed there were WMD marym625 Nov 2015 #221
And poison gas was never a casus belli to begin with. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #224
+1 marym625 Nov 2015 #230
It is still up somewhere Rilgin Nov 2015 #240
oh, absolutely. I remember all this pretty well. marym625 Nov 2015 #244
Several Founders of the DLC are PNAC. bvar22 Nov 2015 #234
Marshall began the DLC offshot, Progressive Policy Institute ("home of the pragmatic liberal"--LOL) merrily Nov 2015 #259
Yep Rilgin Nov 2015 #271
Is this the guy who threatened to beat up some poor lady via pm? GusBob Nov 2015 #194
I have no idea what you're talking about marym625 Nov 2015 #223
The time Pitt threatened to beat up a homeless lady...a fellow DUer. msanthrope Nov 2015 #266
then you need something better to occupy your time. marym625 Nov 2015 #269
Really, JTFrog Nov 2015 #286
looks like you're "eating this shit up" marym625 Nov 2015 #295
documented threats against a homeless woman for which Pitt was banned msanthrope Nov 2015 #337
No, but he did shoot a man once for snoring too loud. frylock Nov 2015 #277
It's true! OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #301
Among other noble acts, JTFrog Nov 2015 #289
K&R. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #213
hi JD! marym625 Nov 2015 #250
Hi! JDPriestly Nov 2015 #253
THANK YOU, WILL PITT!!! nt antigop Nov 2015 #235
I'll ask him to read the thread marym625 Nov 2015 #251
Oh Bravo! Faux pas Nov 2015 #243
pretty awesome, ain't it? marym625 Nov 2015 #252
Most awesome! Faux pas Nov 2015 #344
In the realm of foreign policy, HRC is in a LEAGUE above her rivals. oasis Nov 2015 #260
I don't think warmongering puts her above anyone. marym625 Nov 2015 #267
Who would be best in keeping America safe for the next 8 years oasis Nov 2015 #284
I completely disagree. marym625 Nov 2015 #293
The breadth and depth of Hillary's knowledge goes unappreciated by oasis Nov 2015 #298
flaws she may have? marym625 Nov 2015 #299
There is not a single person on this earth without flaws. oasis Nov 2015 #341
President Sanders, I'm sure, will take her counsel into consideration. marym625 Nov 2015 #345
Do those Old Codger Nov 2015 #335
So Hills gets tossed lots of money aspirant Nov 2015 #268
uhm. her undying love? marym625 Nov 2015 #270
So if you don't donate to Hills you get zip? aspirant Nov 2015 #272
hardly. marym625 Nov 2015 #287
How about the first responders? Mnpaul Nov 2015 #285
Thanks for remembering the First Responders. bvar22 Nov 2015 #338
Oh how I miss that man, William Rivers Pitt! in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #278
You're welcome. marym625 Nov 2015 #290
This is an outstanding analysis. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #294
you're welcome. marym625 Nov 2015 #296
Excellent article by a great person! PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #300
+1 marym625 Nov 2015 #302
I couldn't agree more. n/t Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #304
if a republican running for President had done this, all of du would be up in arms. marym625 Nov 2015 #311
Thank you - I appreciate good writing and this fellow has it. nt. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #310
pretty much my favorite. marym625 Nov 2015 #312
Sorry, Will, can't get past your byline. leftofcool Nov 2015 #320
Another Will Pitt thought provoking piece and once again Will nailed it. Wish he'd come back to DU. marble falls Nov 2015 #329
He did nail it. marym625 Nov 2015 #339
Will says hi to everyone. marym625 Nov 2015 #340
K&R Bush league, for sure. nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #342
describes what she did perfectly. n/t marym625 Nov 2015 #346
Hahaa.OMG Yes The Clinton-Hatin William Pitt misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #351
sounds like jealousy to me. n/t marym625 Nov 2015 #352
Pitt hates HRC. That he's got a tiny spot in the world to say it is pathetic. misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #354
yep. jealousy. marym625 Nov 2015 #355
kick Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #376
I missed the debate, but if that's what all the hoo-ha is about, it's another hollow talking point. ucrdem Nov 2015 #386
Tell the families of the victims of 9/11. They're pretty pissed marym625 Nov 2015 #389

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
12. of course she is.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:52 PM
Nov 2015

They are so bloody thin skinned that they have to attack. Some of the worst remind me of the clowns running for president for the GOP.

Come to think of it, they share many ideas, donors, bad policies, and more.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
63. Boy, that's for sure.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:38 PM
Nov 2015

I can think of a couple of long-time DUers within the last 6 months who have been banned and neither had ANY time outs. Just gone. But this one has had numerous timeouts and she's still here. I had to put her on Block a long time ago for incessant PMs.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
114. I've never blocked anyone, or put anyone on Ignore,
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

....until this week.
The list is growing, and
DU has gotten a whole lot better.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
119. Same here...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:28 PM
Nov 2015

...since April 2004 when I joined this is the first time that I have had to put fellow DUers on ignore. At this point, I have approximately 30 Hillary supporters on full ignore. This is really sad for me.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
140. Me too and it stinks.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:59 PM
Nov 2015

I hate doing it but you can't discuss anything with all the nonsense interruption. Since 2002 I have been able to take most of what was said but this time? It is simply disgusting followed by, "why we never", all interrupting good discussion.

I see that I missed one who has returned from a forced vacation. Now NOTHING anywhere will ever get past the original point. Political theater at it's dumbest. Heading for the ignore button as soon as I hit post on this.

HATE IT but it is not time for stupid, it is time to work out issues and get moving.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
258. I had to start also. Some are deliberately trying to bait progressives into getting PPR'd.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:57 PM
Nov 2015

Funny how this is supposed to be a politically liberal message board but the most progressive among us get targeted for alerts, locks, hides and PPR's. And if that isn't enough to satisfy, grave dancing. And ridicule, like the fly swatter.

They find themselves in a corner with no issues they feel safe to discuss so they attack.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
332. I had one person on ignore for a decade ...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:39 AM
Nov 2015

One single ignore, until this year ...

Now I cannot count how many are on that list ...

These were formerly friends and fellow DUers, for years ....

I don't mind those who have opposing opinions, but I find it hard to justify keeping liars and deceivers on hand for pure bullshit, day in and day out ...

Those people are now gone from my feed, and DU has become a more pleasant place for it ...

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
356. Cali was back one day they stalked her off again and
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:13 AM
Nov 2015

She is flagged for review
In the meantime if you support hilarious Hillary version 9.11 you can get timeouts without consequence

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
125. That is amazing. Unlike long time actual contributers who got banned for one
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

statement, most of them Bernie Supporters

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
147. .
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:03 PM
Nov 2015
On Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Vanilla Rhapsody has already sent a pm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=821555

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I don't find it acceptable to call out or criticize another DU member by name, whether or not they are on timeout. This whole subthread about VanillaRhapsody is OTT.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:55 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Appears to be a fact, not a criticism.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Play nice kids.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Looks like the hit squat from the cave site has revealed one of the names on their hit list.
Stop trolling and harassing members of DU please, stay on your site and talk all the trash you want over their.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: dRAAAMA! LOL
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
157. Wait, is there a rule about not posting nasty PMs publicly? I think they should all be
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:11 PM
Nov 2015

published and have already said that is what I will do with them. Someone show me a rule that says you cannot post PMs, I haven't seen it.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
162. There is no such rule I am aware of, once, trolling via PM was frowned upon
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

and some were banned for it as I recall.

Even on DU3 when I served on MIRT I remember an under 100 poster being banned for it. MIRT only has power over new posters under a certain post count and has no jurisdiction over high post count PM trolls like VR, so I guess the nasty trolling simply must be tolerated if your block list is full and can't avoid the unsolicited PM's using that method.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
305. If someone sends a nasty PM post it
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:01 AM
Nov 2015

There is no expectation of privacy. If you are privately an asshole, you're still an asshole

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
378. Jack Green got a hide for publishing a PM
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:08 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075924#post5

And this one is just exposing someone whose admitting they're trolling. That's not hide worthy imo.

I'd happily share a similar PM I received with the same statements, but with far fouler language, but can't afford the hide



malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
380. Weird...
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:07 AM
Nov 2015

I had a thread locked for refusing to post a PM (from that very person).

There seems to be a lot of "flip flopping" with the rules here.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
382. Well I told that person when i received a PM that I don't do back channeling and would post
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:39 AM
Nov 2015

any such PMs publicly. And I will. It is a way to get around hides but if they know their PMs are going to be posted anyhow, hopefully they will drop that particular tactic at least.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
166. You do understand why don't you Mary? There is likely a connection between the trollish PM
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:27 PM
Nov 2015

And a "kindred spirit" that alerted on it.

Just connect the dots and it should be rather clear to you.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
241. What a ridiculous alert.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:16 PM
Nov 2015

And Juror #6 doesn't seem to understand that the alterer is the one making drama out of this.

I guess they thought they had one of "their own juries" ready. Oops.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
265. They forget that a lot of old posters like me are still around and remember what DU once was
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:39 PM
Nov 2015

Just because I don't post anymore doesn't mean I don't keep up with the warhawk/conservative invasion that has infected us of late, they forget some of us have also been on non public forums in other sites under different names and know the games they play.

And we get on juries sometimes, and sometimes it is enough to bring back balance even with the covert alert stalking tactics.
"their own juries" do not expect us.

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
315. See. This is what I'm talking about!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:36 AM
Nov 2015

I think reasonable people realize that Wall Street donates to Republicans because they want them to win; they give to Secretary Clinton because they fear she will.

Paul Krugman paraphrased that just the other day, and did not give me credit. Bernie slandered his rival for the nomination after promising not to attack people, only issues. Even Krugman can see through that.

Additionally, most reasonable people understand that going up against all of the GOP money without PACs or big money support is deep water. Republicans can spend a billion dollars in Florida and Ohio and win the election against Senator Sanders. They won't be able to do it against Secretary Clinton. Although the analogy is ludicrous the way the issues have played out in this particular campaign, it is nonetheless apt: He is bringing a knife to a gun fight when it comes to campaign finances. Secretary Clinton has the only realistic and reasonable plan: Win the election, then appoint liberal justices who will overturn Citizens United.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
22. Not the pre-block warning! Is that to give you time to repent, or face the horror of being blocked?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:02 PM
Nov 2015

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
121. All kidding aside though, posters should always post unsolicited DU mails like that.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:31 PM
Nov 2015

Something about sunlight being the best disinfectant and Skinner saying transparency is good.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
160. That's why we can now read posts hidden by juries. Back when there were mods
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:16 PM
Nov 2015

posts were removed. Also when a member has a certain number of posts hidden their Transparency Page is displayed.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
168. Ah. ok. that's cool. I like those changes
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:29 PM
Nov 2015

Thanks for the reminder.

I lurked here for years before I ever posted. I knew an old poster. Another casualty of ridiculousness.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
297. But... we can no longer see how many times someone has been on a jury.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:36 AM
Nov 2015

That's kind of weird. No reason was given for that change iirc.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
357. Maybe we
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:20 AM
Nov 2015

Because iirc you can serve on one jury a day and the stats may have revealed that as an untruth
Jury stacking can't work under that circumstance but by their own admission s on their hate site we know they have successfully stalked here
I think we are getting the same juries over and over

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
43. Wow! She's still around?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:14 PM
Nov 2015

I've had her on ignore for months. I assumed she had retreated to that other place to disseminate her pearls of wisdom.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
242. For posterity - I'm Juror 2 for what it is worth.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

On Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:06 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

She sends PMS by E-Mail?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=822019

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a very sexist comment saying Vanillay rhapsody sends 'pms' through emails. Not funny at all regardless of the LOL. It is offensive and insulting. If her pm's are a problem, she can be blocked, no needs to make sexist jokes in full view in gd or gdp. I have no idea why folks still think pms jokes about women are funny and not straight up sexism. Sad that du treats women this way.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:15 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Okay, I am female and don't find it hide worthy. Not that that matters all that much, I guess. I'm concerned about all the questionable alerts recently. I've been here since 2002
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I thought it was funny. Humor is helpful in these trying times.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jokes and Comedy should not be censored, no matter who feels offended. The person discussing the issue was nott offended. This is like waning to censor someone in a conversation at a table next to you. Sexism is not inherently wrong. Intent and context matters.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Clever, but I agree with the alerter.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
181. if this statement is alert worthy
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:59 PM
Nov 2015

Then I guess I should alert on the message? Nah, not worth my time

merrily

(45,251 posts)
192. I love when people put me on ignore.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:19 PM
Nov 2015

Ironically, after ten years of posting, I finally put my first poster on ignore. I'll give you three guesses who it was, but don't post yur guesses.



Since that poster, I've stepped up my ignore game. Works wonders.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
198. I hear tell, it's the wise thing to do.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:28 PM
Nov 2015

I have had a couple people on ignore. But never for long.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
200. As I said, it took ten years of posting before I lost my ignore virginity.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:30 PM
Nov 2015

So, I understand your stance.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
204. Not trying to persuade you. No one could have persuaded me
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:36 PM
Nov 2015

when I was an ignore virgin (which is how one remains an ignore virgin, I guess).

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
218. I feel your pain...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

... even though I wouldn't know how to find out I've been blocked, I see a whole lotta pissed off people who waste their time never talking about the issues.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
333. She is already on mine
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:58 AM
Nov 2015

Along with another 90 some of them, makes for much calmer reading for me...

marym625

(17,997 posts)
343. I know you're not the only one with a large ignore list
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:47 PM
Nov 2015

I might give it a try for a week or two, just for fun.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
348. Much much
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

Less stress for sure, I had the hill forum on trash and tried taking it off and stil see no activity..

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
39. Well, yeah, if you like yellow "journalism":
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:11 PM
Nov 2015
I've been watching political debates of all kinds since God wore short pants, and this ranked right up there with the most vile, disingenuous, sneaky, low-road slippery debate statements I have ever heard.


Yeah, baby! You go, Will!
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
60. Right.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:35 PM
Nov 2015

Ranks right up there with:

“I have as much experience in the Congress as Jack Kennedy did when he sought the presidency," Dan Quayle, 1988.

“There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe,” Gerald Ford, 1976

When Megyn Kelly, debate moderator, had just accused Trump of calling women he doesn’t like “fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals”, Trump replied, "Only Rosie O'Donnell."

Gotta love Will, and those who gleefully watch him shit on Democratic candidates.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
78. Democratic principles should be evident in a candidate
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

who calls him/herself a Democrat. When they are conspicuously absent, good Democrats should point it out. The more egregiously the so-called Democratic candidate fails to uphold the basic convictions, values, and ethics we expect of our candidates, the more profoundly he/she deserve censure.

Will Pitt holds Democratic values, and he is right to be sickened by the behavior of Hillary Clinton.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
85. Well, I have never had any respect for Will Pitt.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:58 PM
Nov 2015

That won't be changing soon. My opinion of other DUers has been in a steady decline, as well.

It's an interesting phenomenon at DU how divisive the contributors can be during the primary season. I like Bernie Sanders and would vote for him if he won the nomination despite disagreeing with many of his key views on important issues. It would never occur to me to impugn his character or disparage him in any way. I guess I continue to like him because he never hesitates to distance himself from comments like those of Will Pitt.

Bernie's a good man and a good candidate; he cannot help it if some of his supporters are scum.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
103. I get the impression that you have not been paying close attention
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:07 PM
Nov 2015

to Hillary's behavior.

Bernie is a good man; that, and the fact that he sees and speaks the most important truths about this country, is why I support his candidacy.

Hillary is none of those things. And I don't care if you consider me "scum." But I hope that I am incapable of ever stooping as low as Hillary Clinton -- an entirely unprincipled person.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
110. I am less appalled by Hillary's comments than the behavior of the Bernouts here.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:16 PM
Nov 2015

Her triangulation is typical for someone who wants to win the general election. We have no idea what she'll be like if elected, though we have some clues. Hell, I'm not a Hillary fan, I'm just not as hysterical as 99% of the Sanders crowd at DU about how awful she is. (And it bears repeating: Sanders does not like the kind of bullshit Pitt is shoveling).

Are you scum? Not that I know of, but be careful of the company you keep.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
189. "It's an interesting phenomenon at DU how divisive the contributors can be during the primary season
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:15 PM
Nov 2015

Says the guy with divisive comments all over the thread.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
232. what substance has been brought to this thread other than from Bernie supporters?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015

Totally off subject, are you going to the Climate Change rally/march Saturday in Oakland? We'll be there collecting signatures.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
233. I wasn't aware of it! Alas, I am already booked for Saturday.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:41 PM
Nov 2015

Taking part in a clothing drive in my neighborhood and then going to a show

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #85)

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
111. Scum? Just Will Pitt.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:17 PM
Nov 2015
You're got nothing but "vile, disingenuous" comments in this thread yourself.


Nice talk.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
130. "he cannot help it if some of his supporters are scum" That's more than one person.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

So, are you clarifying?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
131. Are you attempting to bait me into insulting you? Won't happen.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:50 PM
Nov 2015

You get the last comment. Have fun.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
186. Dunno. I commented on your calling Pitt scum while complaining about another poster's language,
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:09 PM
Nov 2015

a type of ironic comment often referred to as the pot calling the kettle black.

You, however, seem to be playing some sort of pointless non sequitur game, tho. Enjoy.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
303. If you don't like DUers, you can always close your account
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:54 AM
Nov 2015

No one is forcing you to stay here and post.

Please remember that we're all fighting for the same thing and we need to stop eating out own.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
321. Seriously, no one is forcing you to stay here if there is so much distain for people
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:32 AM
Nov 2015

with differing opinions than yours. It's always voluntary to remain, but nice swipe at my support of Sanders. Thin skinned much?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
322. Seriously: Thank you so much for inviting me to leave.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:37 AM
Nov 2015

Actually, it's better than some of your cronies who do everything in their power to ban their critics. But, it amounts to the same thing.

If you cannot stand the concept of someone standing in opposition to disgusting behavior, don't read the posts. It's quite simple, really, and far less offensive than telling people to leave.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
323. Again, the option is still there if DU members are that odious to you.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:40 AM
Nov 2015

As for my cronies. . .I have none. But thanks for playing.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
324. Thanks for reminding a second time that I can leave. It gets sweeter upon repetition.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:42 AM
Nov 2015

I'm sorry you have no friends. Why is that. Let me see if I can find you a mirror....

=======

btw... are you bernin' a mole?

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
325. I have no friends here because I'm not looking for them online, thanks
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:43 AM
Nov 2015

However here in Malaysia, I have plenty. Now, if you're going to be insulting, be creative in it.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
326. Ah, that's adorable but so sad.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:55 AM
Nov 2015
I have no friends here because I'm not looking for them online

You come here only to piss off people? If that gives you ... pleasure ... then carry on. Feel free to hate on me all you want. I'm here to help.
 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
327. Why should I hate on someone I don't know
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:58 AM
Nov 2015

You are taking this way too personally. And on that note, I'm putting you on ignore and ending this rather pointless conversation.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
328. It will solve a problem for both of us.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:59 AM
Nov 2015

And thanks again for going out of your way to invite me to leave.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
330. By the way, about this: "you can always close your account"
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:14 AM
Nov 2015

I don't think that's possible.

Maybe you give it a shot and tell me how it goes.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
359. Yes better than cronies who
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:28 AM
Nov 2015

Gather together in a hidden forum to plot against duers and coordinate alert.stalking
Oh...sorry that's what hilarious Hillary version 9.11 supporters do

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
365. You're attempting to explain the shit on your shoes and the dung tracks everywhere you go?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:14 AM
Nov 2015

And you're blaming me?

Whatever.

Keep on truckin'

murielm99

(30,762 posts)
372. This reminds me of something we used to hear
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:29 PM
Nov 2015

all the time in the sixties:

America, love it or leave it!

Same attitude from the bernistas. They don't own this website.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
336. Just curious, but I've seen many Hillary supporters say...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015

That they disagree with Bernie on issues. For you, what are those issues and Bernie's positions that you disagree with?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
316. Extremely well said, senz.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:59 AM
Nov 2015

Thank you.

When Democrats act RW, it needs to be called out. Democrats need to be Democrats.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
88. True, true.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

Just ask Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity: stir up the base with a lot of outrageous comments and conjured anger.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
247. "Not the word I'd have chosen."
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:23 PM
Nov 2015

Only illustrates the point that you have no talent at writing while Will Pitt does.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
254. Yeah, well, I would not have chosen "talent' to describe Pitt.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:40 PM
Nov 2015

Talent-less. Talent-free. Void of talent. More attitude than talent.

I guess I could use "talent" to describe him...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
179. Facts are facts, no matter how colorfully they are presented. It was Giuliani level
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:52 PM
Nov 2015

stuff.

Is there a color for when politicians do that kind of thing?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
219. Sounds like he did go...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:09 PM
Nov 2015

... and we all read it, and so do people on TruthDig.

Doesn't sound like yellow journalism to me. The crap I read from ass kissers who manage to write an entire page of the race without mentioning any other candidate outside of HRC... Now THAT's some bad ass biased journalism.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
90. That question was not directed at you, and your answer was incorrect.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

You should know better, but it is the silly season.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
35. Ad hominem? There was no ad hominem attack, just amusement. But, something better?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:10 PM
Nov 2015

Let's have Will speak for himself:

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
56. Can you please use some verbage?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:28 PM
Nov 2015

I overslept this morning and still have a few cobwebs upstairs.

How a fantasy image of Karl Rove getting his just deserts relates to the subject at hand doesn't resonate right now.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
61. "I overslept this morning and still have a few cobwebs upstairs."
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:36 PM
Nov 2015

Errr.... okay. Not touching that one.

Qutzupalotl

(14,327 posts)
177. Because Will Pitt was wrong once in 2006
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:48 PM
Nov 2015

about a Rove indictment being imminent.

(He might well have been right about the imminence, but Luskin played the amnesia card at the last minute.)

That, of course, means Pitt can never be correct again.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
195. Exactly!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

Just like Hillary was right about something, once, she is no longer wrong about anything. Ever. No matter how despicable.

Qutzupalotl

(14,327 posts)
383. Correct.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:43 AM
Nov 2015

Pitt vouched for the story here, since he knew Leopold's source was very close to the goings on (Wilson himself, from what I gather). But Luskin outsmarted everybody. It wasnt Pitt's fault, IMO.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
32. I almost posted it myself
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

Glad I did a quick search and can bump this one back to the front page.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
55. It's good to see Will's writing here on DU again.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:01 PM - Edit history (1)

His leaving was a real loss.

Response to marym625 (Original post)

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
180. Me, too.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:55 PM
Nov 2015

I don't blame him for leaving. marym, it is because of hearing him speak in 2003 in Chapel Hill, NC, that I am an activist. Every thing he said turned out to be true, but I already knew some of it because I had gone to foreign websites after not finding anyone in our MSM who spoke the truth about Bush's lies. Here was this young man actually speaking the truth about the WMDs and our Civil Rights. I asked him where his security was and he replied "there is safety in numbers". I was afraid someone would try to harm him for speaking out.
Anyway, I'm here also, when you need a shoulder!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
185. Thank you. And I for you.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:05 PM
Nov 2015

I'm older than Will. I haven't relied on msm since the advent of the internet. But I'm sure he was as wonderful a speaker as he is a writer. A little jealous that I never heard him give a speech.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
16. why yes, he did.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:57 PM
Nov 2015

And dubya calls Hillary sister in law.

Lovely little warmongering family. Imagine when they go around the table at thanksgiving telling what they're thankful for. Poor Jebbro. Must suck to be him.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
24. Georgie and Bill are best buds...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:03 PM
Nov 2015

Georgie calls Bill Clinton his “brother from another mother.”

Oh course he does.....

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
57. "Ooo that money feels so goood....
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

now that we know how to use the system... heh heh..."

Throw 'em out, people. Throw 'em ALL out.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
139. Look at that LOVE! They even have almost matching ties....
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:59 PM
Nov 2015
Tells you everything you need to know about those two...doesn't it.

And, look who's going to be "First Man" in the WH. We will probably see the Bush II's as regular visitors.
 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
377. Them Clintons sure love that insider power
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:29 PM
Nov 2015

Especially of the Bush variety. Political incest at its finest. What 2 parties?

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
15. Does it really surprise anyone?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:55 PM
Nov 2015
"...People who will say anything to win office are truly frightening, and truly dangerous. Welcome to the Bush league, candidate Clinton. You just graduated..."



Yes,....it is "truly frightening & truly dangerous"


Gmak

(88 posts)
65. He really packs a punch
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

Just finished listening to the Cornel West speech in Ames IA on Sunday, and along with Pitts essay was almost too much glory!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
41. I know! It's horrible to think of what they would do if we regulated WS!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:14 PM
Nov 2015

And imagine if Citizens United was overturned! Dear lord! The carnage!

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
44. Thanks for posting this. I miss Will.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

Don't always get over to Truthout. Appreciate the link. You rock!

HRC showed her true colors in the debate Saturday... now it is up to us to get the word out.

#feelthebern

marym625

(17,997 posts)
67. as do I. He's something special.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:43 PM
Nov 2015

Thank you.

She sure did. Absolutely abysmal performance. While CBSis trying to hide it, too many saw it and taped it.

#Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
50. Can be said of every Hillary-supporting website.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:18 PM
Nov 2015

Except the sneaky one that huddles together to talk about people at DU. Ew.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
58. For profit?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:34 PM
Nov 2015

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Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
95. That doesn't mean that the contributors don't get paid.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

However, if Pitt is being compensated based on the merit and quality of his work.... I hope his wife is taking good care of him.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
317. What the heck?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:10 AM
Nov 2015

Of course people that work at Non-profits get paid. It's a job, you know, like other jobs? And what are you talking about merit and quality of his work? He's got a large following that adore him... and it's his bosses who get to judge the quality of his work as a measure of his compensation, not you. And to bring his wife into this? Jeez...

i bet your whole problem with WRP is that he called Obama disrespectful names and "lied" to everyone about the Rove indictment. You can be all righteous-like and hold those grudges, but some of us have more important things to do.



 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
319. "but some of us have more important things to do."
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:51 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:35 AM - Edit history (2)

Oh, irony, you never fail to make me smile.

Of course people that work at Non-profits get paid. It's a job, you know, like other jobs?

When you get a moment, read the subthread. Then direct your comments to the person suggesting that people at non-profits work there for free. HINT: It wasn't me; sorry to interrupt your screed during an otherwise very busy day.


and it's his bosses who get to judge the quality of his work as a measure of his compensation, not you

Am I glad I never suggested such a thing! Whew! But, it begs the question: how could you possibly get the impression that I thought I determined Pitt's compensation? So odd. Maybe it's because you're SOOOO busy doing more important things that you didn't bother to read what I wrote.

ornotna

(10,807 posts)
291. A for profit website?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:06 AM
Nov 2015

Interesting. Know anyone else with one of those? You know, where you can buy things.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
47. "vile, disingenuous, sneaky, low-road slippery" -- couldn't have said it better myself.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:16 PM
Nov 2015

Is this what we want in a President?

IS THIS WHAT WE WANT IN A PRESIDENT?

We can do so much better.

We, the people, deserve better.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
52. It's Will Pitt so I can't even read it
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:21 PM
Nov 2015

But I do wonder, what is the intended purpose of the 24/7 Hillary smearing? It doesn't seem to be helping Bernie is the slightest, so what is the point?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
62. No kidding.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:37 PM
Nov 2015

Pitt is so mired in dung right now we don't know where the bullshit ends and Pitt begins.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
71. This is about what Hillary said (twice in a few minutes). It
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:46 PM
Nov 2015

doesn't have anything to do with Bernie.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
80. you can't even read it?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:55 PM
Nov 2015

You do know it's written in English, don't you?

We're discussing disgusting statements from the woman running for president in the democratic primary. Any smear in this is due to her words.

There is no defense to what she said. Perhaps if you read the article, you might understand. I'm assuming you didn't see the debate or you would know what is going on.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
112. Damn right I have
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:17 PM
Nov 2015

But not before watching months and months of non-stop Hillary attacks here. Don't like it when it's directed at Bernie? Then just stop. I can assure you I will join you.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
115. MaggieD's reaction is similar to a lot of long-time DUers:
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

We don't have anything against Sanders, but the behavior of some of his adoring supporters here at DU can be beneath contempt.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
120. People need to know what Hillary does, what she says, and
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

what she stands for. Absolutely need to know. Those are not "attacks."

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
123. Yep! Give us the skinny on what she says!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:33 PM
Nov 2015

But this:

I've been watching political debates of all kinds since God wore short pants, and this ranked right up there with the most vile, disingenuous, sneaky, low-road slippery debate statements I have ever heard.

Is an attack.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
124. I call BS on that
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:37 PM
Nov 2015

Many here have made a mission of lying about her, and distorting "what she says." At least no one stoops that low on Bernie.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
59. I didn't think it was possible to be more disgusted by her.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:34 PM
Nov 2015

Thanks for posting this. k&r

Hey to Will.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
64. Not possible to be more disgusted by Hillary? Please
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:39 PM
Nov 2015

You Bernouts have no trouble in that department: every new day brings another round of fake outrage.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #64)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
227. Irony is definitely not dead!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's success, which really is amazing certainly has caused a few people to completely lose their minds.

Response to marym625 (Original post)

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
94. tell him and his mum Skittles said HI
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

and WE MISS HIM

Please tell him to come back and to PUT THE ASSHOLES ON IGNORE

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
87. Bernie Supporters go Romney League!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

Poor Bernistas.

There is absolutely nothing bush league about what Hillary said. This is typical negativity when the sky is falling and Bernie is fading and fading fast.

Try, try again.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
96. I find it very sad that Hillary supporters
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

Are either ignoring how truly bad and disgusting this is or are that oblivious.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
255. Well, invoking 9/11 as a defense for taking huge corporate donations would be in a league of
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:48 PM
Nov 2015

its own if it hadn't been done before. Bush/Cheney certainly did it. But what came to my mind was Giuliani/9/11.

question everything

(47,535 posts)
93. Oh, you are back
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

Seems like all the long obituaries about your leaving way back were premature..

And what a comeback it is. Full of vitriol and bile. Nice.

(And all you alerters - he did leave, with a bang).

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
126. He didn't come back, nothing stopping others from posting his excellent writing though.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:46 PM
Nov 2015

105 recs. Looks like a bang to me.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
117. DURec.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:25 PM
Nov 2015

Will Pitt delivered some much needed Tough Love to DU with this article.

I felt sick to my stomach when Hillary invoked the Full Giuliani ,
and then added the gender card for good measure.
Everyone could see instantly she was desperate to avoid Sander's question.

Thanks for posting it, marym625.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
118. 2 Defining Moments For Me
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:27 PM
Nov 2015

When Hillary posted a photo of Obama in a turbin to label him a Muslim. And when CIA Analyst Ray McGovern turned his back on her during a foreign policy speech and she had her goons beat him bloody.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
134. I'd seen her "Muslim" attacks on Obama but hadn't known about
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

the arrest and mistreatment of Ray McGovern for standing quietly during a Hillary speech. Just verified it via browser search.

Can you imagine what a Hillary presidency would be like?

Secretive, authoritarian, and harsh, with no apologies. Not what we want in a President.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
193. Had to google that, senz.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

Thanks! I didn't know about this. As my granddaughters say :"Ewwwwww"

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
236. This Guy Briefed Presidents
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:59 PM
Nov 2015

But what he saw happen after 911 he had to take a moral stance. One some even in our own party cannot for either selfish reasons or an inability to get beyond appearances.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
248. I might have blocked it
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:24 PM
Nov 2015

Have to read more to jog my memory. Maybe I didn't know. Either way, Thank you for saying it

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
281. Get The Word Out
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:41 PM
Nov 2015

Show people the links...they have to switch their vote after watching the video. No one is that brainwashed to go along with her after watching her have a hero like Ray McGovern beat up for a silent protest. If they can rationalize this away then there is no hope for them.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
292. they're excusing the war in Iraq
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:07 AM
Nov 2015

They're excusing No Child Left Behind and the Bankruptcy bill. They think Snowden is a traitor. They excuse the the Patriot Act. Why not having someone beaten bloody?

But I will try

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
308. Fake Democrats
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:33 AM
Nov 2015

They are the sell-outs...the elitists that are happy with their wealth but feel slightly guilty. Only enough to pretend and usurp the liberal label. They are con artists.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
262. I did not know either
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:22 PM
Nov 2015

and I usually do not miss things like this. Holy shit I was stunned by it.

Thank you for posting this, apparently I was not the only person who missed it.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
279. Commondreams.org First To Report
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:38 PM
Nov 2015

Spread the word...people need to know. They would switch their vote...no one is that brainwashed.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
283. Thank you.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:52 PM
Nov 2015

One would hope they would switch their vote but then as you can often see here, that may not be so sadly.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
306. They Are No Better Than Republicans Then
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:22 AM
Nov 2015

In a way worse because they aren't honest with themselves. They want the liberal label but not the substance to go along with it. If they can vote for someone masquerading a photo around of Obama in a turban to get the racist vote and then have security beat up the CIA analyst who briefed presidents but stood up against lying us into war then what are they themselves? Sometimes you have to take a stand. This isn't a game show or a soap opera. People died by the thousands and it didn't mean shit to those who perpetrated it.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
331. The only shit those lives meant
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:21 AM
Nov 2015

to those who perpetrated this was that they could use them later for emotional political support. Most of us know how vile that is. If you supported it then you have to deal with that, you do NOT get to use your victims later instead you should be apologizing seriously and not making excuses. A well thought out, poll tested, unemotional comment about a bad choice is not going to cut it especially when half the world and other of your colleagues knew it was the wrong choice.

As for the label, that is very insightful the way you said this. I had never thought of it quite that way. People change and their votes should change accordingly. I grow tired of watching what I always thought the good thing (actual liberals) in this country go away because of people who lack historical knowledge or care for others when the going gets tough.

It is a game and one they intend to win no matter what it takes or who they have to roll over to get there. Enough so that our last president and his people used trading cards for the lives of their enemies. The analogy to a game is apt I believe on both sides and in part understandable. I think it was during the Reagan administration that Malcolm Forbes said "He who dies with the most toys wins." anyway that is when I remember seeing it on bumper stickers etc. and it fit the time. We HAVE to win whatever it takes, we are willing to settle. We know that each person will have to compromise, that is just how it is, but when we know someone is saying things they have never believed or will never intend to do and we willingly vote for that person without knowing what they really will do baffles me.

I believe that everyone has the right to vote how they see fit for themselves or for what they think is best for the country. They have the right to express their beliefs. They also must be ready for push back if they express them. We should all be grownup enough for that. I was until all discussion ceased with silly little thread jacks just to side track the threads. Now I have ignore. Those who actually discuss issues are still here but the rest are gone for me.

I do hope you will make an OP out of this. It seems many of us did not know about this. I have to go do doctor stuff today and will check in while waiting my turn but will not be back to do much supporting of it until later this afternoon.



sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
129. What is even worse than HRC's answer
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

is that people in the audience applauded this
insult to anyone, who suffered from 9/11.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
138. She had a coterie of applauders at the debate.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:56 PM
Nov 2015

They would have cheered if she'd passed gas.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
401. Because we are here to discuss current events and pollitics
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015

not to follow each other around through old threads. That is not the purpose of this website.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
132. Outstanding Mr. Pitt!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:51 PM
Nov 2015

It was a vile statement at any time but at this particular time it was just horrible. The entire room I was in let out a long, sad sigh before they cut into her for saying that. I would hope that if she needs to defend the contributions from Wall Street, and I think she does, she could find a way of doing it, a factual statement or two without deploying emotion so difficult even now to remember.

That is quite the company to keep there.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
144. Yes, it helps to watch the debate with sensible companions.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:02 PM
Nov 2015

I agree that she stills owes the American people an explanation for her close ties and sky high donations from Wall St. Trouble is, there isn't much she can say without appearing greedy and corrupt.

Guess she's never heard of Main Street.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
170. It has probably been a long time
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:33 PM
Nov 2015

since she has had to walk on Main Street.

No explanation basically means that she either does not think we deserve to know or that it would not be the kind of answer that would help her get elected. I mean really, look at the bent truth that comes easily to boost her numbers. Shame isn't it?

I was actually stunned at the sigh that happened, it was like everyone was punched in the stomach at the same time. One guy from the middle of the room asked if everyone else heard that or was that just something he thought he heard. I had to come home to listen to the rest of her response as the room got rather noisy after that and none of the noise was kind or polite. It was just one of those moments.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
149. Sometimes I wonder is Pitt gets paid by the snear...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:04 PM
Nov 2015


Anyway, substance...


BS: "Well, (gun ties) because...I represent a hunting state."

HRC: "Well, (business ties) because...I represented a business state."



I think the difference is that ties to either is a minus for most HRC supporters, whereas most
BS supporters seem interested in only one line of thought (Money, who has money, where money is
going, etc).

I get into talks with the few BS supporters I know in person and after a while it's like chatting up a
see 'n say. Back again and again to a few topics.
I definitely don't hate Bernie (certainly not with the bile some have towards Clinton), but I can't
see him as a president. He's just not at all rounded out.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
197. How sad that you don't seem to understand the corrosive effects money has
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:27 PM
Nov 2015

had on this country. The Bush/Cheney cabal, the Tea Partiers, all the extremists in Congress etc leading to all the horrible poliycies that benefit only their bosses. But if you like all that, then I see why you are so 'bored' by people who abhor what that money has bought.

Not sure though why, if you are okay with the corp owned government we have, you would be here where democrats definitely are not okay at all with the current Corp owned government we have.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
307. Doesn't Bernie work for the government?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:30 AM
Nov 2015

I mean, if we are going to hyperbolate, indignify, and pontificize everything,
what makes Bernie the end-all, be-all of "political outsider?"
Is it his decades of being a politician?

Anyway, there was a time where I would have cared if someone slyly suggested I
go elsewhere, but I guess I've just grown past that drama.

Presents some questions though, to wit (Oh Pitt, so haughty!), why, if Bernie and
Friends (I'd watch that show) are more than okay with being so critical of the
Democratic party, why would he bother to run for the Democratic ticket?

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
263. I know but I just love this thread
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:35 PM
Nov 2015

It's so funny. Pitt is getting all the serious consideration he deserves

This see and say has an "I know you are but what am I?" option

The sub-thread at the top is an over 60 post swarm trying to make fun of someone.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
163. marym625, I'm so grateful to you for posting this.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

I looked yesterday for something from WRP. As always, he is exactly on target! She should wear a "crown" alright, and on it should be
Number One Bush League, or Maybe I'll learn to Keep My Mouth Shut. Oh well, good luck with that last one.





N.Y. to Paris

(110 posts)
171. Ummmm...let's see....
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:33 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary?.......Integrity?.......NO, not in the same sentence....
Sorry Hill, you're a Schmooze-Queen, a Shoulder Rubber...
"oh! Hello Henry! Nice to see you! Oh! BiBi! How's every little thing?
"Excuse me gentlemen, I have a 2 o'clock with Jamie Dimon...tah tah!"

And I'm sure the Hillary Police will be all over this momentarily....but
IMHO, out of ALL the candidates on both sides, there are only 2 are
truly on the side of the people, and anyone with open eyes and an open
mind knows who they are.....
thanks marym!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
214. I agree.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

You forgot her meeting with the author of the End Game Memo, Larry Summers. Dog that alone is bad enough to not support her.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
172. +1!!! None of Hillary's fans have tried to justify or even acknowledge her avoidance to answering
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:41 PM
Nov 2015

the question. In response to Hillary's statement that their (Wall Street) money cannot buy her, Bernie pointed out that Wall Street has been funding her for decades, "Why would they keep paying the money?" There is no real answer other than the truth, they have bought her, lock, stock and barrel! I don't understand how she can still have so many supporters if they know she is bought off to do things for the .01% that hurts the rest of us.

Her pre-planned canned answer was disgusting! It was disrespectful to the point Dick Cheney might have blushed had it been him who said it. This is the answer she and her team had come up with since they knew the question was coming. It was calculated to distract and wrap her up in the responder cloak as someone who helped on 9/11. Also, to say that she has mostly small donations is utter BS. Ask her how much of her total money raised did those 60% of women contribute? My guess is 1% of her total take might be from women. The vast majority of her money comes from corporations. People are quick to say that Bernie is not a Democrat, but I would say that any Democrat with that much corporate money cannot be, by definition, a Democrat! Why are people afraid to call it what it is? When Bernie pointed out her Wall Street money she acted like it was unfair to even bring it up. "Don't look at the man behind the curtain, I am the great and powerful Hillary of OZ!"

marym625

(17,997 posts)
217. yes, they have tried to justify it.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:04 PM
Nov 2015

Just look around du. They even tried to blame the guy who tweeted. He actually responded on a du post.

Hillary of Oz.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
187. I posted about the PNAC last night
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:11 PM
Nov 2015

It fell on totally deaf ears on Hillary supporters. The whole Bush Administration was populated with PNAC founders (including Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz) and, as you said, they had wanted war in Iraq for years. They had urged Bill Clinton to invade and when GWB got in office and appointed Cheney as Vice President and Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary it was a given that we were going to war in Iraq.

The WMD was just an excuse. They may have initially believed it but their real goal relates to their belief that regime change in Iraq would lead to a US types of democracies throughout the middle east. Of course, when they put out the resolution to go to war in Iraq, they knew that the Weapons claims were suspect.

My post was that Hillary, like any really informed person, knew the goals of the PNAC. She may have believed the weapons were there or there was a threat but she had to know that the 2002 Authorization for Military Force in Iraq was a war vote, not a vote for diplomacy because it was authorizing PNAC members.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
221. I don't believe for a minute she believed there were WMD
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:18 PM
Nov 2015

We knew there weren't, she had to know.

Sorry I missed your post

Rilgin

(787 posts)
240. It is still up somewhere
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:14 PM
Nov 2015

The post mostly puts a name to what was in Will Pitt's post about Cheney Wolfowitz and the "cabal". They had an actual organization called the PNAC whose main issue was to lobby for the invasion of Iraq. This was before 9 11 and totally unrelated to WMD. They had some pipe dream that invasion would change the Middle East to being a western democracy and economy.

10 of the original signers of their first letter to Bill Clinton urging Bill to invade Iraq became members of the Bush Administration in the highest positions including the Vice President and the Secretary of Defense.

If you followed politics closely and were informed at all (as we hope Clinton was as a Senator) she would have to know about the PNAC and would know that regardless of the selling of the Iraq War, she was authorizing people who wanted Regime Change in Iraq as their primary foreign policy goal. Her supporter's current meme that she was not authorizing war but some kind of diplomatic weapon to get rid of WMD is totally false given the make up of the Bush Administration as members of the PNAC. It was clearly a vote for invasion.

Will Pitt alludes to the PNAC in his article but does not actually name them.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
244. oh, absolutely. I remember all this pretty well.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:19 PM
Nov 2015

And as I said, I don't believe for a minute she didn't know what was going on. We knew. She certainly knew.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
234. Several Founders of the DLC are PNAC.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

Will Marshall for sure, and I don't recall the others.

the DLC was also partially funded by the Koch Brothers who had 2 of their guys on the DLC Executive Committee.


What a tangled web.....

merrily

(45,251 posts)
259. Marshall began the DLC offshot, Progressive Policy Institute ("home of the pragmatic liberal"--LOL)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

Al From said they named it that because they were tired of having the DLC described as conservative and figured, if they included "Progressive" right there in the name, no one could call PPI conservative. LOL! Instead, we got

https://www.facebook.com/TomTomorrowFB/posts/131251126916303

As the aphorism goes, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, putting lipstick on that pig would only be a waste of lipstick.


(That's how the saying goes, right? )

Haven't seen you in a while. How've you been?

Rilgin

(787 posts)
271. Yep
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:52 PM
Nov 2015

This belief in America and its manifest destiny as the military power of the world is not reserved to Republicans. There are clearly democrats that believe and support some aspects of this world view. Thanks for pointing that out. Policy differences are not just between parties its between wings within the party.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
194. Is this the guy who threatened to beat up some poor lady via pm?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:22 PM
Nov 2015

I guess it was before my time, so I am not sure. I have seen references to something to that effect in other discussions. I find that hard to believe that he would do something like that and still be allowed to post here or that people would fawn over such a guy no matter how well he writes.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
223. I have no idea what you're talking about
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

And since you don't either, posting it seems to be rather odd, at best

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
266. The time Pitt threatened to beat up a homeless lady...a fellow DUer.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:41 PM
Nov 2015

I believe that was one of his bannings. In his defense, he did apologize and claim he was drunk as shit when it happened.

"The time Will Pitt got drunk and....." is kind of an old past time for us long term posters....

marym625

(17,997 posts)
269. then you need something better to occupy your time.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:48 PM
Nov 2015

This is not worth my time. Or worthy of it.

Have a beautiful night.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
295. looks like you're "eating this shit up"
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:19 AM
Nov 2015

Must be difficult to separate delving in gossip and showing righteous indignation.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
337. documented threats against a homeless woman for which Pitt was banned
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:55 PM
Nov 2015

is not mere gossip..... unless you are accusing the site administrators for responding to mere gossip.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
289. Among other noble acts,
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:33 PM
Nov 2015

such as calling Obama a Piece of Shit Used Car Salesman, yes, he did threaten violence against a homeless woman. And it would be hard to forget his infamous Obamacare gaffe.

But folks here eat this shit up.




oasis

(49,408 posts)
260. In the realm of foreign policy, HRC is in a LEAGUE above her rivals.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:04 PM
Nov 2015

This was Pitt's glaring omission in his debate critique.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
267. I don't think warmongering puts her above anyone.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:42 PM
Nov 2015

George W. Bush was President for 8 years. Does that make him more qualified than President Obama?

Her experience has taught her nothing. That pretty much means she's not qualified

oasis

(49,408 posts)
284. Who would be best in keeping America safe for the next 8 years
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:52 PM
Nov 2015

is the primary concern of voters. Like it or not, Hillary is the only one among the current group of candidates available who they believe has the experience. It doesn't matter what you or I think.

Recent events have put an exclamation point on the importance of having someone at the helm with extensive foreign policy experience. The public is not going to leave the country's fate in the hands of who they believe to be an amatuer.


marym625

(17,997 posts)
293. I completely disagree.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:12 AM
Nov 2015

I believe they know that diplomacy means more than, and solves much more than warmongering fools.

Experience doesn't mean squat if you learn nothing from that experience.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
298. The breadth and depth of Hillary's knowledge goes unappreciated by
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:39 AM
Nov 2015

some here at DU GD-P. You're disagreement is not only with me, it's with scores of elected officials
who have everyday dealings in the real world. They have overwhemingly chosen Hillary, with full knowledge of any flaws she might have.

Have a nice evening.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
299. flaws she may have?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:20 AM
Nov 2015

The motives, for many of them, are questionable.

The majority of congress are hardcore rightwingers. I disagree with all of them too, in almost everything.

Knowledge doesn't do any good if you don't use it for good.

Good night to you

oasis

(49,408 posts)
341. There is not a single person on this earth without flaws.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

The American public is aware of this that's why they have no problem re-electing their local politicians, time after time.

During her first term in office, Madam President may not rise to everyone's expectations, but it won't be because she won't be trying to do her best for the American people.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
345. President Sanders, I'm sure, will take her counsel into consideration.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:03 PM
Nov 2015

Yes, everyone is flawed. Unfortunately, we now have a political process that relies on extraordinary amount of funds to run for office. This causes good people, without funding, to be excluded from the political process.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
268. So Hills gets tossed lots of money
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:44 PM
Nov 2015

to rebuild a small part of Manhattan and what did her constituents in Brooklyn and Buffalo get?

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
272. So if you don't donate to Hills you get zip?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:54 PM
Nov 2015

Isn't that Bernie's point that Hills only responds to cold hard cash?

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
285. How about the first responders?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:23 PM
Nov 2015

they are still looking for help. I guess they didn't donate enough money to her campaign to warrant mention.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
338. Thanks for remembering the First Responders.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

My wife is the only Medical First Responder for 60 sq. miles of rural Arkansas.

She doesn't get a paycheck. In fact, it costs money to maintain a 4wd "Jimmy" outfitted for her needs as a First Responder in this very rural area.

She does it because she cares enough about other people to get out of a warm bed at 3AM to go help those in distress.
She also is a strong Bernie supporter.


in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
278. Oh how I miss that man, William Rivers Pitt!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:34 PM
Nov 2015

No one makes a point like he does. No one.

Bush League - so fitting and TRUE! It was a desperate move on her part and a watershed moment. People are disgusted by what she did and rightly so.

Thanks for posting this, mary!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

marym625

(17,997 posts)
311. if a republican running for President had done this, all of du would be up in arms.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:41 AM
Nov 2015

But it's Hillary, so she gets, not just a pass, but an excuse

marym625

(17,997 posts)
339. He did nail it.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:59 PM
Nov 2015

I, too, wish he would come back. But I don't blame him at all for not doing so. This is not the place it used to be, sadly.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
340. Will says hi to everyone.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:02 PM
Nov 2015

I could qualify that but I won't put words in his mouth. His exact words were, "Tell them all hi right back."

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
351. Hahaa.OMG Yes The Clinton-Hatin William Pitt
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:52 AM
Nov 2015

Expected nothing but smear from the mouth of Pitt.
And he delivered .
Wow this is one big fat hit piece on a Dem candidate, that holds a far bigger resume, greater accomplishments and respect around the world, & more power in her pinky finger than Pitt ever would dream of having on his best day of writing public smear against HRC.

Pitt's opinion hit piece says all we need to know about any truth to his words.
A nastier page of lies could not have been opined on truthout by anyone but William Pitt.
Geezuz You should have put this in the bernie group.

Trash thread




misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
354. Pitt hates HRC. That he's got a tiny spot in the world to say it is pathetic.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:43 AM
Nov 2015

Pitt''s a joke. You do know that don't you?
He could write for a RW site & they'd probably pay him a lot more.
Didn't he get banned from here?

Nice that he's found friends who'll drag his Hillary hate piece back in here.

2 mo 13 days & Hillary moves on to the GE.

The others go home.
Amen.

HRC 2016

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
386. I missed the debate, but if that's what all the hoo-ha is about, it's another hollow talking point.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:51 AM
Nov 2015

The paragraph makes perfect sense in or out of its context and only a meme-saturated reddit fan could misconstrue it in some nefarious way. And I'm under no illusions about 911, trust me on that one.

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