2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBREAKING NEWS---SEIU Endorse Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton has proven she will fight, deliver and win for working families, said SEIU International President Mary Kay Henry. SEIU members and working families across America are part of a growing movement to build a better future for their families, and Hillary Clinton will support and stand with them. This movement for economic, racial, immigrant and social justice is poised to turn out to vote in November with their families and communities and keep pushing elected officials to deliver once in office.
We are endorsing Hillary Clinton because she will stand up for working people like me when shes in the White House, not the rich and powerful, said Regina Sutton, a home care worker and member of SEIU Local 2015 in California.
SEIUs member engagement included a 1,200-member conference in March, three national tele-town hall meetings in which more than 178,000 members participated, three national member polls from the fall of 2014 through the fall of 2015, more than 200 local executive board debates and discussions with thousands of local union officers and elected member leaders and local union member discussions representing 1.2 million SEIU members, which included leadership assemblies, live phone calls, worksite meetings, emails and text messages.
Hillary Clinton will fight to raise wages and has stood up for the rights of workers to join together in a union. She has spoken out in support of the Fight for $15 movement: on the movements April 15 national day of action, during the New York wage board fight that resulted in $15 for all fast food workers in the state, for the $15 victories in Los Angeles city and county and again just last week, on Nov. 10, during the biggest day of action yet.
As cleaners, we roll up our sleeves every day and get the job done without complaint. When Hillary Clinton is president, she will do the same. She will fight tirelessly for working families. I like that she is not running to prove a point, she is running to make our country better, said Pam Johnston, a cleaner, member of 32BJ SEIU in Pittsburgh and executive board member.
Once elected, Hillary Clinton will have the opportunity to address the epidemic of low wages and poor training standards for our nations airport workers, who keep travelers safe and airports clean. Airport jobs should be good jobs and together, we can make sure they are, she wrote to airport workers gathered at a national convention last month in Washington.
Clinton has recognized the value of care work in our nation, particularly the home care providers and child care teachers who help educate our future generations and allow our seniors and those with disabilities to live with dignity at home. In many places, these workers earn poverty wages with no sick or vacation time and few if any benefits. One of the things I'm trying to do in this campaign is put raising wages at the center, Clinton said at an August roundtable meeting in Los Angeles with SEIU home care providers. I think your skills deserve a lot more pay and benefits than what's currently being made available to you.
Hillary Clinton understands that child care teachers need living wages and that the care has to be affordable for people, said Marites McLean, a child care provider and member of SEIU Local 509 in Massachusetts. She gets it and shes going to do something about it.
Clinton is also a leader on the core issues SEIU members care about in this election, including fighting for commonsense immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship, standing up for voting rights and criminal justice reform that prioritizes ending mass incarceration and supporting and strengthening the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Clintons commitment to quality, affordable healthcare goes back decades to her courageous efforts in 1994 to ensure coverage for all. SEIU members know she will fight hard to strengthen the ACA so we never go backward.
http://www.seiu.org/2015/11/seiu-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)specifically when HRC signs of on the TPP and we start hemorrhaging jobs.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Was looking forward to this
riversedge
(70,302 posts)brooklynite
(94,728 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)combined with attacks on union leadership will be here soon.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton02016-unions-delay-endorsements-213922#ixzz3rlyEBltB
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)thank you!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I bet this one really stings for him. At 1.5 million members is this not the largest union in the country that was still up for grabs?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,713 posts)To bad I don't see this support 365 days a year in, year out.
Labor stories in LBN and GD are mostly ignored. There are a Labor and Socialist-Progressive groups with little participation.
Next time the SEIU strikes (like today) the Hillary fans will go stand and hold up a sign or wave at traffic?
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/4769493-181/union-of-sonoma-county-government?gallery=4773979
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AllyCat
(16,222 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Either can be the only logical explanation.
oasis
(49,408 posts)SEIU does not threaten and coerce. Gimme a break.
oasis
(49,408 posts)SEIU. Bernie supporters have been making those accusations against Hill's campaign after every endorsement.
Maybe you should come around GD-P more often.
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)I realized how I misunderstood your comment. Then the snarky finish made me remember I was on DU where we attack our own.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)AllyCat
(16,222 posts)No threats. They just so wanted to get their necks on the line with someone.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... if SEIU members like Regina Sutton did ANY homework before stating, "We are endorsing Hillary Clinton because she will stand up for working people like me when shes in the White House, not the rich and powerful.
Does she not know that the vast majority of Clinton's funding has come from "the rich and powerful, and NOT from "working people like her?
Does she not know that just three days ago Clinton said, unequivocally, that she does NOT favor a wage hike to $15 an hour, but rather, thinks you should be happy to get $12?
Ms. Sutton is delusional if she believes for one nanosecond that Clinton's Wall Street buddies gave her all that money without fully expecting something in return.
By the way, how much do the executives at SEIU pay themselves? Has hobnobbing with the rich and powerful made them forget who they're supposed to be working for? It certainly wouldn't be the first time such a memory lapse has occurred.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Does she not know that the vast majority of Clinton's funding has come from "the rich and powerful, and NOT from "working people like her?
If you had a small business in Waco TX (with only local customers) where BTW, you can buy a nice house for 80k, you can not afford to pay your employees $15 an hour. What Hillary has said is she supports $15 in large cities and in states where they can afford it, but that it is too much in some places. She is right. Bernie is pandering to idiots or he is an idiot with his $15 nonsense.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)We know where you fall on giving people a living wage. I'm sure the person working full time a Wal-Mart, in that "small town" and still having to use food stamps to make ends meet understands. Maybe if she got off her lazy ass and got two full time jobs, that would make people like you and your candidate happy.
With your candidate it is always a "compromise" or "real world solution" that still leaves people like me screwed. I have no idea how a person can make $200+ million dollars giving 20 minute speeches but she has no way of understanding walking everywhere you go and eating ketchup sandwiches (i don't currently but I have never forgot it).
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)The reference to Waco, TX has no relevance to the statement you quoted, but since you brought it up, I referred to Clinton's statement on Saturday, which is a matter of record, not to Sanders' support of SEIU's advocacy for $15/Hr.
Every point I raised is documented. Links? Here.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career
https://shadowproof.com/2015/11/16/hillary-clinton-defends-wall-street-patronage-with-911-mcfeminism/
And calling people idiots does not reflect well on you or your candidate. Name-calling is the last resort of children on playgrounds, or those who cannot formulate coherent arguments to justify their positions.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)...... "One has to wonder...
... if SEIU members like Regina Sutton did ANY homework before stating, "We are endorsing Hillary Clinton because she will stand up for working people like me when shes in the White House, not the rich and powerful.
.... add another 1.5 million to the list of people Sanders supporters think are stupid. Oops, sorry, that would be 1 million people since 75% of the union members support Hillary. The "elite thinking club" is getting more and more exclusive everyday. Woe is us.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)The article for the endorsement stated:
"Hillary Clinton will fight to raise wages and has stood up for the rights of workers to join together in a union. She has spoken out in support of the Fight for $15 movement: on the movements April 15 national day of action, during the New York wage board fight that resulted in $15 for all fast food workers in the state, for the $15 victories in Los Angeles city and county and again just last week, on Nov. 10, during the biggest day of action yet."
She does not endorse $15. While it would seem to be $12 until you really read how she qualifies the number saying that ultimately, it should be left up to the local conditions. She said in November Huff Post article, "I'm more comfortable saying let's get to $12," Clinton said at Grinnell, "in a reasonable, expeditious way." (bold mine)link: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/56394247e4b0411d306eca12
You people are being "compromised" while your candidate makes millions of dollars doing 20 minute, closed door, no video, no transcript, speeches.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)... her strategy on the minimum wage is sound, and logical. If Bernie gets the nomination, he will not be crowned king and decree $15 an hour for everyone. It doesn't work that way with our form of government and who we face across the aisle.
That being said, I really don't care how much money she makes. She is my logical choice and she will do a great job if elected. If one person makes 10 million dollars, and donates $1 million dollars to charity, and another person makes $1,000, and donates $100 to charity. Who do you think is making a bigger impact? Logic.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Might makes right! Money talks, poor people walk.
While her and people like her, shunt more and more of the nation's available capital into their pockets, making people like me more and more poor by the day, that my opportunity or even the hope to ever change that for myself or my children is completely unrealistic at this point. The talking points of "compromise" and "real world solutions" are for their benefit, not ours.
So you realize that .08% (point zero eight) of people own 53% of all wages earned in America? That 99.8% of Americans make less than million dollars a year?
I will continue to advocate for a fair and equal voice for all Americans, regardless of their wealth.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)...and real world solutions is what most people call reality. I'm pretty sure that Bernie's supporters will find, if elected, he will not become a benevolent king whose word is law. Disparaging someone is usually the last defense of desperation.......on the playground.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)So which part didn't you agree with?
The part where I told you that all people matter, not just rich people?
You were clear in your statement that wealthy matter more:
"If one person makes 10 million dollars, and donates $1 million dollars to charity, and another person makes $1,000, and donates $100 to charity. Who do you think is making a bigger impact? Logic."
The part where I was critical of you and your candidate's position on people on minimum wage should be happy with the$12/hr while she racks in millions for 20 minute speeches?
The part where I said:
So you realize that .08% (point zero eight) of people own 53% of all wages earned in America? That 99.8% of Americans make less than million dollars a year?
My biggest point of contention with your candidate and those that support her, like you, is you love to push the "compromise" the "real world solutions" the "best we can do". When have that ever helped most Democrats? When have we ever come out for the better? Bailing out Wall st will help us all (it didnt). $12 an hour is good enough (its not).the TPP is the gold standard of trade deals (no). Electing any Democrat president will fix our problems (it won't).
Why would Bernie Sanders be different? He stands for what he believes in. He engages his audience to take the fight to the streets and is standing right there with them. Bernie has no more power to do these things than your candidate does, the difference is he won't compromise and a strong voter and donor base means we don't have to. There are more of us than there are of them.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)...of reality. That's fine. Go with that. I'll stick to logic. A million dollars helps a hell of a lot more people then $1,000 does. Undeniable fact. And no where did I say rich people are more important than poor people, but go on making false accusations if it makes you feel better about yourself.
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Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)she and sanders voted the same 93% of the time. And saying she is untrustworthy is a republican meme.
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Can't come soon enough for me.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)It's a shame they won't do more to enforce it before the primary is over.
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)Weight-bearers like voting for the Iraq War or Americans only need $12 an hour.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)not explaining what you already know.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)It's getting a bit crowded under that bus. Shall be bring in some additional busses at this point.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I'm not sure that counts as "railing" against $15 though. As is always the case states with a higher cost of living will increase it proportionally.
But what does that have to do with SEIU endorsing Clinton?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Do tell.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)So someone that supports an increase of $5 in the minimum wage instead of $8 dollars is your "evidence" that I am afraid of change? LMAO.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)is proof that you don't want change. Sometimes you just have to laugh.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)The $15 min wage proposal is a phase in. So let's phase in $12 first, and index it to COL. But you know, reality is that is not going to happen without a Dem congress, no matter who is president.
Do you think if we had a Dem congress and they all passed a bill raising the minimum wage to $15 that Hillary would veto it? Hell no. SEIU knows that, Hillary supporters know that, everyone knows that. Suggesting that we more than double the federal minimum wage is a non-starter politically. And Hillary is savvy enough to know that.
Again, what a senseless attack on Hillary. Glad the SEIU agrees.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Not gonna happen. And that is the real problem with your candidate in my opinion. He proposes pie in the sky stuff that has no chance of being enacted. That's a big reason he is losing, IMO. Including with unions.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Um,
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)They also were very, very helpful working on LGBT rights. I am not saying they are wrong to fight for $15. I am saying it's not going to happen on a federal basis. They need to do what we did in Seattle on work on the issue locally, which is exactly what they are doing. And I fully support them. But I'm not going to diss Hillary for proposing something that is more pragmatic for the US as a whole.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)You are the people, like your candidate, that talk about "compromise" and "real world solutions". While you are letting yourself get "compromised" your candidate makes millions of dollars for 20 minute speeches to Wall St firms and tech companies and teapublicans are running the tables on the DNC at the state and local level.
Ask for more! Expect more from your candidate!
kjones
(1,053 posts)"We're gonna need a bigger boat bus..."
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)This SEIU member endorses Sanders.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I would seriously consider leaving an organization that I believe acted in bad faith.
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)But I will not leave. That is lunacy in my state.
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SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
Beacool
(30,251 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Florencenj2point0
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)EOM
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)Just beautiful
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's not the first time they've been unhappy with their union.
Alkene
(752 posts)Umpteenth, here.
classykaren
(769 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Hillary is now going after Bernie.
SEIU, in my opinion, has made a mistake.
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Ron Green
(9,823 posts)What Bernie Sanders is calling for is just too tall an order: for people to move away from their "consumer" identities and toward their "citizen" duties. For people to actively REJECT the bought politics of the conventional system and to work together for a truly new way to govern.
I'm sad, but not surprised, to see SEIU and my own union, AFSCME, endorse a candidate who embodies the bought system. We may be "ready for Hillary," but we're not ready for a real change.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Workers and union members love Bernie.
classykaren
(769 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)WTF
Gloria
(17,663 posts)costs of living vary greatly, insurance premiums vary, housing costs differ ....ex. my medicare supplement is 3 more expensive in NJ than here in NM! This is why people relocate in retirement!!!
It's reality...and it really is important to understand that these differences exist...
George II
(67,782 posts)....working Americans! Her opponent has been able to muster the support of unions representing less than 1/2 million.
Organized labor loves Clinton and her pro-worker, pro-middle class policies.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I'm not so sure about the rank and file
I've seen how this union 'defends' it's workers first hand and I was managment at the time
George II
(67,782 posts)...an EXTENSIVE survey of all membership.
Why is everything positive that comes out for Clinton have to be greeting with such negativity?
The bottom line is that people LIKE Clinton, her policies, and her viewpoints, they do not like Sanders' positions and policies.
It's like the polls that come out showing her extending her lead nationally and in most states - greeting with "they didn't ask enough young people", "they asked too many young people", not enough cell phone calls, not enough landline phones, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Face reality, this campaign is coming to a close, and probably sooner than anyone could have imagined.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)although you could cherry pick posts and tweets as proof, myself I'll the sum quantity and my own experience
classykaren
(769 posts)The big difference is the average Union worker will just be discouraged and not work for the Unions in registration of voters. I know I won't .Will not work or vote for the lesser of 2 evils anymore. This will even teach the Unions.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)oasis
(49,408 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)The only thing that agreement helps is corporations.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)It is sad since unions were once the backbone of the American worker. The motivation to endorse a center-right candidate who gets big bucks from corporate America, leave me with the impression of one of two possibilities:
1. Either the decision was made by union leaders who expect something in return specifically for themselves, or
2. The membership will save the unions by voting for their best interests with someone who has a history of marching, picketing and focusing on raising middle class incomes.
We won't know the answer until the primaries are over. No "poll" is going to show how an individual Union member will vote.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)brooklynite
(94,728 posts)Union members LIKE mainstream Democrats like Hillary Clinton, and you're the person out of touch with the Party?
floriduck
(2,262 posts)But thanks for playing.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)that's a big endorsement.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Time to throw them under it. Oh I see it's arrived.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Like some of us have been saying, looks like we'll need a whole fleet of buses to hold all the folks the Hillary haters want to throw under the bus on a routine basis.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Hillary Clinton will fight to raise wages and has stood up for the rights of workers to join together in a union. She has spoken out in support of the Fight for $15 movement: on the movements April 15 national day of action, during the New York wage board fight that resulted in $15 for all fast food workers in the state, for the $15 victories in Los Angeles city and county and again just last week, on Nov. 10, during the biggest day
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I really think Mrs. Clinton and Bernie Sanders should team-up.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Go Hillary!!!!