Clinton ‘often confused’ says staffer in email.

[elleng]

'Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was “often confused,” according to a 2013 email from her longtime aide Huma Abedin.

The comment, which is likely to attract attention from Clinton’s critics on the presidential campaign trail, was revealed on Monday following a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit from conservative legal group Judicial Watch.

In the Jan. 26, 2013, message, Abedin gave the note about Clinton while discussing the secretary’s schedule with another Clinton aide, Monica Hanley.
“Have you been going over calls with her for tomorrow?” Abedin asked Hanley. “So she knows [then-Indian Prime Minister Manmohan] singh is at 8?”

“She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call,” Hanley responded. “Will go over with her.”

“Very imp to do that,” Abedin said in response.

“She’s often confused.”

The email was sent to Abedin via the email address that she kept on Clinton’s personal server.' >>>

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/260284-clinton-often-confused-staffer-says-in-revealed-email

[NurseJackie]

1. Trey "High-Gloss" Gowdy would have loved this!!

[Snotcicles]

259. Somebody told him it was his time to shine. nt

[mmonk]

356. .

[Snotcicles]

381. "The Crisco Kid" nt

[Cha]

379. Yeah, things didn't work out so well for Trey Gowdy at the Benghazi hearings..

Jesus Arauz Retweeted
Sybill Trelawney ?@SybilT2 · 8h8 hours ago
@BarbinMD A picture is worth a thousand words.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=22680

[NurseJackie]

382. One of my favorite photos. Even without captions or meme text, the photo sums it up perfectly.

[Cosmic Kitten]

2. Great... Hillary has health issues

Is it the blood clots?

[Agschmid]

5. You worried about health?

O'Malley is your man then.

Just FYI.

[Agschmid]

12. Holy shit.

What the hell have we become.

[Metric System]

13. +1000.

[Cha]

138. Thank Goodness the jury Hid that obnoxious crap.

[Hekate]

344. My gods that was nasty

[Cosmic Kitten]

17. Dunno what?

Is this a trick question?

[Agschmid]

21. Not for most of us.

[Cosmic Kitten]

26. What HAVE we become?

Is this what *WE* have become?

Do *WE* think war is *funny*, it's a laughing matter?

Indeed WTF have *WE* become?

[Agschmid]

29. Just a reminder...

You have all that (which are valid questions) and instead you went with "Clinton is looking fat" upthread.

[Cosmic Kitten]

38. No, I said overweight. You said fat.

Sorry if you need to be so disparaging.
*Overweight* is a medical term.

[Agschmid]

48. My point stands.

You have all these things, legitimate issues which could prevent her from being the nominee.

Yet you went with looks.

Your intent is clear.

[Cosmic Kitten]

65. Not looks, health or fitness

This thread is about her mental acuity.

Health and well-being are intertwined.

[Agschmid]

74. Then why were you talking about how fit you were...

And your AMAZING BMI...

That post had squat to do with mental acuity.

[Cosmic Kitten]

80. I was asked if I had any health concerns myself.

To wit: Do you have health issues?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251818546#post8

[Agschmid]

94. You insist the topic was mental acuity.

It clearly wasn't for you, otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned weight... Etc.

Your motives a clear, you don't support her.

And guess what that's fine, your allowed to do that, but in order for your candidate to win you need to woo supporters. What's happening here isn't going to achieve that. What does achieve that is knocking on doors, talking about my candidate positively, volunteering in the community, and working together to get democrats elected UP and DOWN the ticket.

Calling them "overweight" just isn't going to work.

Don't you see that? Don't you get that?

[Control-Z]

187. HRC has already released her medical records.

Perfectly fit for office.

Where are Sanders ' health records? Hillary "looks" 20 years younger than Sanders. Should we follow your example and start making things up?

He's had more than a few moments on stage where he's looked absolutely lost - not just about the issue at hand but about where he even is. The confusion and anger we see comes from your candidate.

But have you noticed, no one's made this into an issue?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

192. 10

[MaggieD]

249. Exactly

My goodness, this might be the most desperate meme yet.

[grasswire]

324. Sanders most likely hasn't had any plastic surgery.

Not that there's anything WRONG with a person getting help for aging skin. Just pointing out that you can't disparage someone who hasn't had the surgery by comparing to someone who has.

[Control-Z]

335. I can't believe you just wrote that.

Just pulled it right out your..., um, opinion parts, didn't you?

Seriously, dude. What did she have done? Back it up with credible links.

[grasswire]

340. you must think there's something wrong with a high-profile woman having...

.....some work done on her face. I don't. Why do you?

[Control-Z]

341. Just back up your assertion. (nt)

[grasswire]

342. it's not an assertion

It's an assumption. And I would applaud her for doing so, in today's cut-throat atmosphere. Every woman of stature today is assumed to have work done to look younger.

You are the one who seems to think it wrong or shameful.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

357. I think that's a fair point.

[truedelphi]

402. I am not a Clinton supporter -but it seems like this aide's remarks were taken out of context.

A great many executive types are never overly mindful of their appointments.

This is one of the major reasons why attorneys and government officials employ secretaries and other staffers, so that there is someone their to remind them that their golf game should wait until after they have made the court hearing.

I would say to anyone seriously wanting to put this 'confusion matter" into the debate over Clinton, there are far bigger fish to fry than her "confusion."

[dsc]

350. As a fat person I will flat out say

99.999 percent of the time someone says I am fat they aren't discussing my health.

[Hepburn]

40. Actully, Hillary is looking better than usual.

She has finally found a faltering hair style. Never much liked her former hair-dos, but IMO this one suits her. Good color job, too.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. Why the resort to sexist comments about Hillary's hair? Thought we were finally past such nonsense.

[Agschmid]

112. At least we've stopped calling Hillary fat.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

126. Yes, comments that even remotely refer to Hillary, or anyone else for that matter, having weight issues should be off limits.

[Agschmid]

128. Thank you.

I appreciate your post here.

[Hepburn]

405. No problem...

...I also like MOM in jeans and I love the button-down collar shirts that Bernie wears.

I truly do think that Hillary's hair is very attractive and flattering to her. If that is sexist, then I will skip giving out compliments.

[Tipperary]

397. Surely you meant "flattering"

and not "faltering."

That is quite a difference there.

[Hepburn]

406. Ooooooooooops, you are correct.

I like her latest hair style very much. Wish I could go blond like that --- but I have dark eyes and light olive skin -- my skin turns green with blond hair. I tried it once -- mega mistake!

Her blue eyes and blond hair -- very lovely. Both she and Bill have very pretty eyes.

[riversedge]

195. Well, I grew up on a farm and the old saying was

that people who sleep with the pigs do not know they smell.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. WoW

Her confusion, anger issues, blood clots, and passing out...

are scary issues the voters need to know about.

She's not in great health
and looks pretty overweight?

Not exactly what we need in
a commander in chief

-Cosmic Kitten

[Agschmid]

103. Wasn't my alert, I'd rather call them on their bull.

What a ridiculous sub thread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

107. Wasn't my alert either ...

EOM

[merrily]

122. Call me on whatever. But, first, how many hours of the hearings did you watch or listen to?

[Agschmid]

127. Since we are already talking about this down thread...

You want do it here? Or there?

You pick.

[merrily]

133. Up to you. When were you planning to call me out?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

146. I literally watched the whole thing except when I had to evacuate.

I was surprised she could hold it that long. I couldn't.

[restorefreedom]

255. are you telling me they didn't get pee breaks?

that is inhuman

[DemocratSinceBirth]

266. There were breaks, of course...

Maybe I am getting old and confused because I can't remember how long they went without breaks but it seemed like hours, maybe three...

I can't go three hours without evacuating unless I prepare in advance...

I remember when I went to see Lincoln. I purposely didn't drink anything in the prior three hours.

[restorefreedom]

270. with all the people in that room

its hard to imagine no one had to go during that time. then again, you can't leave the floor when filibustering i don't think and some of those have gone for many hours.

i could never do it

[Aerows]

398. No kidding

I couldn't fathom going on for hours on end without taking a break to go to the restroom. Just not possible LOL.

[merrily]

131. The post got hidden, but you re-published the content.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

135. Sunlight is the best disinfectant

?

[merrily]

141. Apparently, the admins don't think so.

You know members can read a hidden post, right? It's truly hidden only from people who have not signed up yet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

157. Precisely...

If the administrator didn't want other posters to see a hidden post they could delete the whole thing. The hide is more a mark of community disapproval or in some instances undue community censorship. I will let the other denizens of this board decide which category the hidden posts belongs in.

[merrily]

161. Again, it's not about other posters. It's about readers who have not signed up. There must be a reas

the admins did not want them to see the content of hidden posts.

Seems odd: Sunlight is the best disinfectant, but Hillary's supporters keep alerting on criticism of Hillary instead of refuting it.

[Agschmid]

163. How can we refute "she is overweight"...

What's the point there?

I'm supposed to even give that person the time of day?

I mean what do you expect?

[merrily]

176. Well, I did not say that, but you did dispute it to the poster who said it.

You did give her the time of day.

Do you really think she weighs more than ideal for her height is untrue? If it's true, why can't you just move on without alerting? I'm not saying you have to agree. Just move the fuck on if it's true. The world will not end if an accurate criticism is made of Hillary. Hell, I've seen it implied on this board that Sanders is a pedophile or an aidor and abettor of pedophiles. That's false and the world didn't end. A true statement about Hillary that is not flattering is not the end of the world either.

BTW, I personally thought she lost weight, but that's neither here nor theire.

[Agschmid]

182. You lost me.

And I wasn't the alerter.

I guess I'm confused... You are going to go with "well she is actually fat" and "I should just have been cool with that"...

No thanks, I stand up for the person I support.

And your part about Sanders anyone who called him that is a troll. Plain and simple. Sanders is an amazing senator, I know I voted him into office.

[merrily]

188. I agree as to the troll. However, the point is, something very untrue was posted and the world did

not end.

Standing up for you candidate does not equal disputing true statements or trying to get them hidden. Again, though, I personally think she is looking fitter than even at the beginning of this primary. That's what I would have said if the statement had upset me. I would not seek a hide of a true statement. (That does not mean I think you alerted, but someone sure did.)

[Agschmid]

190. Someone did alert...

And as skinner says "you take your chances".

[sabrina 1]

375. The way Bernie's supporters turned the attacks on HIS appearance, hair, 'optics' etc into

Fund Raisers. When life hands you lemons, make lemonade. Those were the first attempts at personal attacks against Sanders. 'He can't be elected with that appearance, his hair is awful, optics are important' etc.

It didn't work because rather than complain about it some pretty creative people chose instead to make it work FOR him.

And one great DUer who is no longer with us sadly, created the Bernie Hair icon in my sigline.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

169. I have never seem legitimate criticism of a candidate get hidden.

EOM

[George II]

144. It got hidden but even before you posted it, it still can be read by anyone - what's the big deal?

[Agschmid]

150. Apparently we are supposed to be very mad...

About what... At this point to be honest I'm a bit confused.



I seems someone stepped in when the other was forced to go.

[still_one]

252. Actually you make a good point

[merrily]

254. Thanks, still_one. The admins must have had their reasons!

[still_one]

302. Nothing is consistent in the primary forum I think

[sufrommich]

27. So much shameless freeper shit gets posted here.

Nothing surprises me anymore.

[randys1]

34. At our peril we assume things here we shouldnt.

[CoffeeCat]

124. It's a hell of a lot more freeperish...

...to support a candidate who is swimming in Wall Street money and then uses 9/11 as an emotional smokescreen to explain away her cozy relationship with these bastards who imploded our economy.

Seriously. She went full Guiliani during the debate. Democrats used to be in agreement that invoking 9/11 for campaign-political purposes, was the lowest of the low.

Now, it's ok.

Disgusting.

[Agschmid]

152. Then by all means go with that.

Not... She's "overweight"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

189. As a dispassionate observer it is incumbent upon me to give this round to sufrommich

EOM

[yardwork]

267. Lol! I concur. Dispassionately.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

269. As one honest broker to another, thank you.

[yardwork]

271. ....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

275. Us honest brokers need to stick together, to make the board a fairer place.

[Cha]

343. Yeah, smart woman.

[Juicy_Bellows]

225. I couldn't agree with your post more. nt.

[PatrickforO]

226. What does 'freeper' mean.

[restorefreedom]

256. the people who comment on free republic

are referred to by many as freepers. its like du but for right wingers

[PatrickforO]

307. Oh. Well, I won't be engaging in any of that sort of thing...

Thanks for letting me know.

[restorefreedom]

311. sure. i lurk from time to time

its been interesting this year. they hate jeb! and love trump

weird wild stuff

[PatrickforO]

327. Interesting.

I think that the establishment and the oligarchs who back them have very much underestimated the deep anger of Americans at the status quo. On the right, they are supporting a dangerous racist demagogue in chest pounding nationalism. This must drive the people who really call the shots nuts, because they want a corporate government - HW Bush's 'new world order.' They are making the move now, through TPP and TISA, which will help the neoliberal 'free market' capitalism metastatise through the industrialized world.

Then on the left, we have us. I like to think we're the good guys. Many are supporting Bernie because he's the most honest candidate we've had in, well, my lifetime at least. I was alive concurrently with Jack and Bobby, of course, but was too young at that time to really be aware. Bernie cares, and his positions reflect all the positions I've taken and believed in all these years.

But watch. Both the right and the left are scaring the hell out of the billionaires - the quiet ones whose names you wouldn't really recognize - the ones who call all the shots around the world.

So what's a billionaire to do?

I know - let's have a nice WAR. That will get everyone back on track...Even now, you see, the corporate owned media propaganda organs and hate talk radio are screaming for 'boots on the ground.'

You know, I'm a political junkie enough to be fascinated with how this all plays out. That said, I hope the Dems voting in the primary have enough sense to pick the candidate that is actually going to represent their interests. Hope I haven't offended you - if you support Clinton, fine. I just think we need some real change.

[restorefreedom]

365. well put, and frighteningly i agree about war

nothing like to try and pull people together in fear and put some cash into the pockets of the mic. i would love to see a bernie/trump general. it would mean that the plutocrats have completely lost control. they would have to sit there and watch the election helpless...might teach them something.

no, no offense taken. we all have our candidates and reasons for it. i will vote for the dem nom in the ge but i really hope its bernie...and if he goes against trump, we will need lots of this

[Cha]

346. Yes, like this is a prime example.. from redstate back in September.. calling

Hillary.. ".. some old lady who suffered a brain injury.."

"... here’s Martin O’Malley, Bernie Sanders, Jim Webb, and some old lady who suffered a brain injury.. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027181586

Very disappointed in that one.

[randys1]

377. Right now as we speak, while Rove and Co work to steal the WH and insert a con

this is happening


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/17/supreme-court-abortion-case-texas-south-midwest?CMP=share_btn_fb

Women will be dying in many places EVEN IF we dont lose the WH.

When the US supreme court on Friday decided to hear the most important case on abortion rights in two decades, it occurred to Dalton Johnson that he was standing in what might become the last abortion clinic in Alabama.

Today, the Alabama Women’s Center for Reproductive Alternatives, which Johnson has owned and operated since 1998, is one of five clinics throughout the state. But depending on how the justices rule in a critical case this spring, four of those clinics could close almost in an instant.

[yardwork]

43. Uh huh.

[Koinos]

60. We have become ... confused.

It seems to get worse with age, but everyone gets confused.

A little sleep and some quiet, and things make sense again.

[Cha]

72. It sure as hell isn't "We".

[Agschmid]

75. Yup.

[Scootaloo]

109. Seemed like they were valid questions when it was targeting Sanders

[Agschmid]

114. Not from me.

It's crap.

You want the healthiest candidate?

His name is Martin O'Malley.

[TheFarS1de]

232. A bit ageist isn't it ?

Age does not infer your health .

[Agschmid]

253. Nope not ageist at all.

Check the public ally available health records, those do infer health.

[merrily]

278. A guideline, but they don't speak to the health of Sanders or Hillary. She's all of 6 yrs younger

than Sanders, so you may not want to go overboard with the age thing. He's been keeping a killer schedule, too.

[Agschmid]

282. Yah so again...

If you want the most "fit"'candidate it's O'Malley.

Has nothing to do with Hillary or Sanders.

[merrily]

291. Actually, we don't know that. Look at Tsongas.

[Agschmid]

293. Well questions don't have to be repeated to him...

So clearly he is much more "fit" for the job.

...

SMH.

[Agschmid]

53. Nailed it.

[rhett o rick]

123. What a terrible thing to say. I guess we've sunk this low. No one should be told

they aren't a descent human being. But I bet your friends will applaud.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

164. I like Ellen but look what this thread had evolved or more accurately devolved into.

EOM

[Agschmid]

173. There was only one direction it was going to go.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

193. The battle has been joined.

[rhett o rick]

334. Kind of funny that you don't recognize that it takes two sides to "evolve". But your side can get

away with saying someone isn't a decent human being. What a horrible thing to say about anyone, especially here in DU. If he was a Sanders poster he would be banned. But not even a hide. I think that says about it all in this race. The big money thinks they are entitled and will do anything to win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

349. Well

Kind of funny that you don't recognize that it takes two sides to "evolve". But your side can get away with saying someone isn't a decent human being.

The poster who made that remark thought better of it and deleted it. Some of my friends here and I have been called a lot worse by posters who are rocking the same avatar as you are. It might have bothered me if I thought for an instance they would say it to my face.

[LuvLoogie]

330. Did you see the post he responded to? The one that got hidden?

[rhett o rick]

333. And how sad, the "she started it". She got a hide and he didn't. Seems to be the way

it goes here.

[Baitball Blogger]

84. Over the top.

That is just getting nasty. We are lucky to have two very viable candidates for the presidency.

[Agschmid]

97. +1000

Three great candidates, any of them who would be years ahead of the republicans.

This is it.

That's the deal, we don't need to call each other overweight. That's just ridiculous.

[OilemFirchen]

8. Confusion is not necessarily a symptom of poor health.

To wit: Do you have health issues?

[Cosmic Kitten]

15. It's a symptom of something...

Possibly a mental health issue...
stress, decompensation, poor nutrition,
medication side effects, etc???

Me... 18% BMI, cycle 100+ miles a week,
yoga, weights, 90% vegetarian, low cholesterol,
stable blood sugar,IOW all good!
Thanks for asking

[Metric System]

19. So if you have a jam-packed schedule and multiple phone calls, are you saying you'd never be

confused? You're assuming this is talking about her mental state, when it's clear to anyone not suffering from CDS that it's about scheduling.

[Cosmic Kitten]

31. “She’s often confused.”

“Very imp to do that,” Abedin said in response.

“She’s often confused.”

[Metric System]

37. As in, she's often confused (because her schedule is jam-packed). Again, you're assuming the worst.

[Cosmic Kitten]

45. She want's to be president.

Intense scrutiny about her fitness is warrented.

Remember Reagan?
He was senile, and they hid it from us!
Not going there again.

[yardwork]

49. Um, you don't work in an office, do you?

I would guess that most assistants say much worse about their bosses. "Often confused" is really mild.

[Cosmic Kitten]

62. So the rationalization is that assistants trash talk?

And the Secretary of State's
assistant are no better than
the average cubical jockey?

How *presidential*

[yardwork]

64. ....

Rotfl

[merrily]

92. I've worked in ofices. Assistants to top executives do not trash talk. to the contrary, they

seem to idolize the employer and are extremely loyal. Or, they're gone.

Office gossip gets around fast.

What happens at lower echelons is different sometimes.

[dorkzilla]

240. Gotta.agree; I was a C-Level exec assistant for years...

And I'd still take a bullet for nearly all of my former bosses. Loyalty is a 2 way street too...they were/are very loyal to me as well. I'd only have discussed issues of health concerns with them or their spouses.

Seems an odd thing to say, and doesn't reflect well on their relationship.

[merrily]

244. We were born at night, but it wasn't last night.

[OilemFirchen]

82. Then what explains your confusion?

Why, for example, can't you tell your left from your right?


On edit: I see that you are now locked out of this thread. More's the pity. I would have loved an answer.

[Agschmid]

104. I know honestly I wish it wasn't hidden.

They would have been taken to task over this bull.

[OilemFirchen]

170. Yeah.

I might have posted this:



Damned shame I didn't get the chance.

[Agschmid]

175. That's amazing!

Somehow I anticipate you still getting a chance to use it.

[tazkcmo]

87. Great for you!

You'll have the best looking corpse in the morgue!

[Sheepshank]

71. Rove pressed this same meme.

Tried to couch it in terms of brain damage.

didn't notice anything untoward during the debates, interviews, rallys, forums with Maddow, TV shows or any other public appearance. Did you?

[riversedge]

201. Lots of Rovian type posts on this board. Shameful

[Beacool]

230. Leave it to you to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Staying classy has never been your forte.

[onenote]

261. You conclude from a 3 year old email that Clinton currently has health issues?

That's the crap I expect from Limbaugh, not here.

January 2013 was a month after Clinton suffered a concussion. It's also nearly 3 years ago and there has been no evidence of her having any lingering effects from that event.

Yet you treat it as something that is occurring now.

Shame on you.

[Darb]

374. Don't alert on me Bro*, but that's lower than a snake's ass.

Shame on you. But, like I have been saying, many Bernie supporters don't sound and act much like Bernie. Makes one wonder.



* - Warning for the easily offended to maybe not engage.

[Agschmid]

3. I didn't see any confusion in her 11 hour testimony.

Or everyday of this campaign, where she is on for 18 hours straight.

Damn I'd be exhausted.

This is bull.

[randys1]

41. DING DING DING

If anything, Hillary kicked their asses that day and not one time in all those hours misstepped or misspoke

These attacks of Hillary here really piss me off, I expect to see it and I do at rightwing sites, but here!!

[sheshe2]

211. Nailed it!

Thank you.

[NCTraveler]

295. Really puts this one to rest. Lol nt

[Agschmid]

297. You'd think... Except no the "confusion" continues.

And it ain't Clinton who is confused.

[Hekate]

369. NAILED IT TO THE WALL

[Metric System]

4. I would be confused too if I had to make so many calls. That's what assistants are for. Oh, but her

detractors are trying to twist it into a commentary about her mental state. Anyone who watched her for over 11 hours on TV a couple of weeks ago knows that interpretation is complete bullshit.

[UglyGreed]

6. I was going to post this

but I feared being labeled a GOP sexist and if I tried to finally defend myself I would have my post hidden once again. Anywho thanks for the thread

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

117. Same...although Hillary's clear confusion was on full display for all to see during last Saturday's debate.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. You mean in the debate..

Same...although Hillary's clear confusion was on full display for all to see during last Saturday's debate.

-In a Blue State

You mean in the debate where she handed your candidate his ass...

[UglyGreed]

134. Yep HRC did kinda get

flustered didn't she. BTW I also truly wish Elizabeth would team up with Bernie, that would be amazing!!!!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

165. Yes, you could see that Bernie was flustering Hillary time and time again, especially judging by her facial expressions and other body language cues.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[UglyGreed]

172. O'Malley

didn't back off either. I think he actually may of irritated Hillary a bit more than Bernie.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

196. Yes, I hafta agree with you...M'OM, like Bernie, hada very good debate night.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

177. Your candidate did as well as his acolyte did Saturday night.

165. Yes, you could see that Bernie was flustering Hillary time and time again, especially judging by her facial expressions and other body language cues.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=797074


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=816427


#lol@me

[Beacool]

234. You people are funny.

It's not even worth taking your comment seriously.

[BooScout]

9. This is hilarious!

So Hillary is confused and weak and needs to take naps? Really? The same Hillary who kicked HowdyGowdy and the GOP smear machine all over the halls of congress and trounced them for 11 hours straight and looked fresh as a daisy at the end of the day whist Gowdy looked like he had been wrung out and hung up to dry in a hurricane?

Bwhahahahahahaha

[mcar]

91. I should be so confused

And she's got 10+ years on me.

[Cha]

336. Yes that fresh as a daisy!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110722680

They can grasp at anything to try and make her look weak. Not.Gonna.Happen.

[Hekate]

372. THAT is a pic that says it all. Gowdy looks like he's been rode hard and put away wet....

...while the former Secretary of State looks like she won a high stakes race in an easy trot.

I know I'm not that good with the rural similes. Maybe it should be that he looks like he just had an ass-whuppin' from the lady whose arm isn't even tired yet.

BRING. IT. ON. SUCKERS!

[Cha]

376. That was titled: "The picture that says a thousand words.." so we could go on and on.. but, I think

you've wrapped it up pretty good with that excellent horse metaphor for Gowdy.

Thing is.. he deserved everything he got and then some.. wasting taxpayers money like and bringing more pain to the loved ones of the 4 people who were killed in Benghazi.. including Amb Stevens.

And, for what? to try to smear the President and his SOS Hillary Clinton so they can get a gop in the White House. Talk about scary. mitt tried it in 2012.. didn't work.

[merrily]

10. Oh, my.

Abedin is with her all the time. This is disconcerting. I wonder how they spin this? A medical report by a friendly doctor?

[UglyGreed]

14. This may be the reason

she was all giddy while chatting about killing Gaddafi or when she though she was under sniper fire in Bosnia.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

121. Apples

This may be the reason she was all giddy while chatting about killing Gaddafi or when she though she was under sniper fire in Bosnia

-Ugly Greed

You like apples?

This will all be effectively over when she dispatches of the Vermont senator in the New Hampshire primary.

How do you like them apples?

[riversedge]

16. Guess you missed her 11 hr marathon with Gowdy et all and all the campaigning she has been doing.

You will look real stupid making fun of someones health a while ago--from which she has recovered.

[merrily]

20. 2013? I really could not watch 11 hours of her making faces and looking contemptuous, no.

However, what I did see was not that impressive. They tripped her up repeatedly and she backpedaled after they did.

[Metric System]

24. I think you meant to post that on Free Republic.

[merrily]

32. No, but I would not have posted it all, but for riveredge's rude post to me.

Nor would I have elaborated, but for your rude post to me.

Time and again, they read out to her the 2 and 3 different answers she's given to the same question. Sorry, that's not impressive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Please be careful. Sometimes the truth results in a hide...

The alert button is often the sine qua non of the pusillanimous.

[randys1]

47. Glad you said it, I cant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I would say who the people who share your assessment are but it would result in a hide...

I would say who the people who share your assessment are but it would result in a hide however I am sure a person as perspicacious as yourself can make the proper inference.

[merrily]

52. See Reply 32. The hearing was a while ago. This is the first time I posted my observation.

Reap. sow. Smear. sow

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I tout my candidate and the polls...

The worst thing I said about Senator Sanders is he is a septuagenarian.

[mcar]

105. Wow

[merrily]

116. Jury results

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is over the top. Even the right wingers admitted that Hillary trounced Gowdy and his committee. Only an extreme right winger would say that they "tripped her up repeatedly." Seriously needs a look by MIRT.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:06 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Its one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on DU ... and that is saying something ... but its not hide worthy. Hillary wiped the floor with those fools, even the right wing knows it. Which suggests this poster is not from the RW. Leave it for the humor.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4's definition of "troll" is very different from that of most people.

[Purveyor]

145. Was just about to post the results. I was juror #2.

[merrily]

153. Thanks. Someone else beat you to it.

Apparently, anything critical of Secretary Clinton is considered alert-worthy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

186. You should be proud of yourself.

[Purveyor]

227. Without question, indeed. eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

233. Why am I not even close to being surprised?

[okasha]

408. More natterings

from the Truth Free--er, Twilight--Zone.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. This will all be over when she dispatches of the Vermont independent in New Hampshire and ...

This will all be over when she dispatches of the Vermont independent in New Hampshire and effectively ends the race...


<patiently waits for the brigade to attack me. I hope there are a lot of them , too>

[BootinUp]

50. +1

[randys1]

51. If she wins, I sure hope so because this is rightwing garbage and we all know it

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. Here is the genesis of the Hill article

https://twitter.com/search?q=judicial+watch&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

Look at all the tweets!

[randys1]

90. Isnt Judicial Watch a bunch of rightwing asshole lunatics?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. Res ipsa loquitur

Judicial Watch is an American conservative educational foundation, which, according to its website, "advocates high standards of ethics and morality in our nation’s public life and seeks to ensure that political and judicial officials do not abuse the powers entrusted to them by the American people." Judicial Watch uses the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) law and other tools to investigate misconduct by government officials and litigation to hold to account politicians and public officials who engage in corrupt activities.[1]

...


Founded by conservative attorney Larry Klayman,[3] Judicial Watch came to public attention after filing 18 lawsuits against the administration of Democratic U.S. President Bill Clinton and figures in the Clinton administration. An early lawsuit was filed by Judicial Watch on behalf of the Western Center for Journalism (WCJ) in 1998. The lawsuit alleged a retaliatory audit by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The WCJ was investigating the death of Clinton deputy White House counsel Vince Foster at the time.[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch

[randys1]

101. Was rhetorical, I know who that FUCK is but thanks for posting the info.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

140. Did you see where Drudge and Breitbart ran with it ?

EOM

[randys1]

149. I never go there, like in my house you cant tune in fox news, blocked.

I think one of my posts here was alerted on...hmmm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

159. I didn't go there either however there are screen shots from both on the judicial watch page.

EOM

[enid602]

61. spin

The timing would appear to coincide with her concussion. But I'm sure you'll find a way to spin it anyway

[jwirr]

392. I wondered about that also. The question is then - was there

lasting effects of the concussion?

[TwilightGardener]

11. Naps, confusion. Great, hope the R nominee isn't Rubio.

[winter is coming]

174. Could be that she'd been traveling extensively and her body clock was all messed up. n/t

[NurseJackie]

18. I didn't notice earlier ... elleng? Interesting.

I'm definitely in no position to judge, but I will express surprise. This type of post is out of character from someone who skillfully and admirably managed to remain above the fray. Again ... interesting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I am profoundly disappointed as well...

Nurse Jackie, here is the original source:

https://twitter.com/search?q=judicial+watch&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

[elleng]

56. DSB, I provide INFORMATION for people to do with as they see fit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. Ellen, i won't say anything else to you in this thread ...

Ellen,I won't say anything else to you in this thread but I will respond in kind against every poster who slimes Secretary Clinton in this thread. I feel with every fiber of my being it is incumbent upon me to do so.

[elleng]

86. OK with me.

[leftofcool]

30. I am not surprised at all.

This is the same line of attack from Rush Limbaugh. Anything will do form anywhere including red states links to take down a Democrat.

[sufrommich]

35. I agree. nt

[elleng]

54. I provide useful INFORMATION on everything that's happening,

and am occasionally disappointed at people's reactions.

[Agschmid]

118. Just FYI.

I stood up and called out a candidates supporter who said "O'Malley should just drop out, he's stealing votes from [said candidate]" and then I went even donated $5 to O'Malley.

I didn't go post a thread like this, I stood up for a democrat. Sure would be nice to see more of us do that around here.

We have amazing candidates, who have very different experiences and backgrounds... We need to learn to be above this sewer crap.

[NurseJackie]

120. I said I was surprised and I found it to be interesting. Not that I was disappointed.

Yes, I certainly agree that you provid(ed) useful information. From my point of view, it always seemed that a post from elleng was one that had undergone quality control and pre-screening. Even the ones I didn't fully agree with were ones that presented the information in a way that rose above the typical screeching tirades, rumors and innuendo. For that reason, I'd made it a point to click on your posts to find out what you had to share.

I'll probably still click on your posts, but I won't be as automatically receptive to the information and links you're sharing. I'll probably be a bit more suspicious and less likely to readily accept things from you at face value. (There's no way for me to be sure, but I think it's safe to suggest that, after today, I'm not the only one who'll be a bit more leery and cynical of elleng-posts.)

Don't get me wrong. This isn't about me... I'm not suggesting that you do anything to for my "approval" or benefit... whatever you do is up to you. I'm just giving you some (useful) INFORMATION for you do with as you see fit.

Oh well. Such is life. It was a good run while it lasted.

See-ya on the forums!

[Cha]

345. Well here's another thread that got locked from this OP because it was from redstate and called

Hillary.. ".. some old lady who suffered a brain injury.."


"... here’s Martin O’Malley, Bernie Sanders, Jim Webb, and some old lady who suffered a brain injury.. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027181586

Very disappointed in that one.

[seaglass]

361. Thanks for the reminder Cha, I remembered she had another really low OP but couldn't remember what

it was - I guess that was just "information" too.

[840high]

323. Keep providing.

[elleng]

331. Thanks.

Will do.

[enough]

25. The Clinton power naps have been known about for many years.

Both Bill and Hillary swear by them. I know it sounds like a joke, but they both believe in grabbing a 20 minute nap whenever they can.

As a person in Hillary's age cohort, I was a bit worried about these issues, until she went before that idiotic committee and stayed focused, alert, and energetic for 11 hours, while everyone else around her was free to take whatever breaks they needed. I'm not worried about that any more.

BTW, I plan to vote for Bernie is the primary (in PA), but will vote for Hillary in the general election if she is the nominee. I am not a Hillary fan, but these issues no longer concern me.

[randys1]

28. Who wouldn't be with the massive schedules and responsibilities she would have had.

[Beacool]

33. What was Hillary's last government job?

Oh yeah, Secretary of State. What do SOS do a lot? Travel, they spend most of their time on the road. It wreaks havoc with the circadian rhythm. Anyone here travel a lot? It's not unusual to forget things, including the date.

This is being posted everywhere as a cheap shot, trying to imply that Hillary is not mentally fit, and that's just plain nonsense.

Leave it for someone on this site to post every below the belt article that they can find.

Keep it up people, it still won't make a blasted difference. Barring some unforeseen event, Hillary will be the nominee.

[randys1]

58. I am voting for Bernie, but if she wins the nomination I hope that means no more of

this rightwing BULLSHIT on Democratic Underground

[Beacool]

66. This site has gone down the rabbit hole.

Some people, and I'm not referring to the OP necessarily, post anything anti-Hillary without much thought to the source or whether they are repeating RW talking points. That to me is unconscionable in a Democratic site. That's why most Hillary supporters either don't post here at all or do so seldom.

[randys1]

70. Two groups here who do that and one of them aint no Democrat

[BumRushDaShow]

139. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

I had been away from the 'puter for awhile, hit refresh and immediately got summoned, saw this idiotic thread and the obvious stalk alert. Thankfully some sanity exists with DU jurors based on the results.

It's sad that DU has descended into cheering and reccing some of the most outrageously obscene and vile detritus worthy of Free Republic and CC, put out there about Democratic candidates. I even saw a post about "Hillary's vagina". One can disagree with a candidate's policies without the childishly nasty and frothing posts. DU has descended into hell and it will have a tough time rising out of it.

[randys1]

162. Thanks to the jurors, but surely the alerter is a stalker and needs to go, right folks?

Otherwise we need to admit the jury system is completely broken.

COMPLETELY

Yes, it was 0-7 not to hide, but the whole idea is that what if it wasnt?

Jesus...but thanks to the jurors.

[artislife]

359. They post all the time!

This is one crazy Op thread...Can't sleep and hoping this would do the trick. I may have to just stay awake--I could have slept in until 7...

Anyway,


But to say most h supporters don't post or seldom do is funny.

[Beacool]

387. There is a group of Hillary supporters who have remained,

but many of her supporters have left DU or come here only once in a while. Why bother coming to a site that is blatantly anti-Clinton? It's a waste of time to argue with the detractors.

[LuvLoogie]

36. The Revolution's Plan D?

A: Bernie himself
B: Bad press and other anti-Hillary fun stuff
C: An indictment
D: Desperation

[demwing]

98. Ask yourself why some people might be desperate for an alternative to Hillary

Use a little empathy, set aside the slights she has suffered, and try to understand.

It's not just because of cheap politics...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

246. Is this a tacit endorsement of the notion Hillary is demented ?

Ask yourself why some people might be desperate for an alternative to Hillary Use a little empathy, set aside the slights she has suffered, and try to understand.

It's not just because of cheap politics

Let's not be pusillanimous here and say what is on our minds.Is this a tacit endorsement of the notion Hillary is demented which is the assertion embodied in the original article?

[LuvLoogie]

329. What you want is an alternative path to the Presidency

and to the power you think that brings. Hillary has made that journey and weathered that storm while daggers came at her from all sides. Bernie rides the coattails of discontent while deigning to use a party infrastucture and aparatus he would not/could not/did not build on his own.

His only path to victory is to tear Hillary down. Why? Because he. didn't. do. the. work. He sat in Vermont and phoned it in to Thom Hartman.

The reason Bernie isn't gaining more traction is because he hasn't yet built the road. He is too insular. But he is beginning to see that now. It isn't The Powers That Be. It's the opportunities missed.

[KingCharlemagne]

360. Bernie supporter here but your take has given me pause. I agree with

Sanders on the issues, but he does come off as something of an opportunist.

I can only assume that his polling and focus groups suggested HRC was vulnerable to a campaign from her left, thereby explaining Sanders' decision to hitch his wagon on a road he hadn't built.

Great metaphor - very Lincolnesque. My sincerest compliments.

[LuvLoogie]

411. Thanks. Politics is so much more than elections.

I wish nothing but the best for Bernie.

[randys1]

55. Is this a joke?

better be

[sufrommich]

68. I'm trying to imagine the reaction some making these

horrible comments would have if they were aimed at any democrat other than Hillary Clinton.

[randys1]

77. I have 100-1 for anyone who wants to bet me Bernie isnt

often confused on the campaign trail.

And a job like Scty State would be similar as to the appointments and travel and so on.

I am confused sometimes if I have two appointments in one day

[reformist2]

76. No. Why is it so unbelievable? Is she superhuman, is she immune from old-age illnesses?

[randys1]

79. How pathetic has this place become...sigh

[840high]

326. It's not unbelievable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

214. DSB's response in a song!!!

She's going to be 70 next year. She could be having early-onset Alzheimer's.

-reformist2

[merrily]

216. Democrat since Birth, did you just sent me a pm?

It says To: Democrat since Birth. I don't know why it got to my inbox?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

217. Yes. Are you a Cyndi Lauper fan ? This is my favorite one.

[merrily]

220. It's odd because it said To Democrat Since Birth, not To merrily.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

224. Cyndi Lauper was from the same milieu as Madonna and occupied the same genre.

It is surprising how divergent their career paths were.

[leftofcool]

57. Yea, Rush Limbaugh said those exact words last year.

[yardwork]

73. He would know dementia.

[Koinos]

88. Limbaugh talking about dementia? How many kinds does he have?

[yardwork]

63. Yeah, she seemed really confused during the Benghazi hearing.

[Agschmid]

67. I always think I've seen the worst...

And then...

[yardwork]

69. Really out in force tonight, aren't they.

[merrily]

95. How long did you watch or listen to the hearing?

[Agschmid]

100. I started watching it in the morning...

Got in my car, drove to work, worked an 8 hour shift, drove home, and still was able to watch the end.

I literally did almost everything I do in a day... And she was still going.

Impressive stamina, no question about it.

[Metric System]

110. What difference? If Hillary had shown any confusion during the 11 hour televised hearing, you would

have heard about it by now.

[merrily]

119. IMO, someone should not comment unless they watched.

I also disagree with your assumption.

[Agschmid]

125. I watched.

I even watched parts again online.

[merrily]

136. You watched all 11 hours? Are you sure?

[Agschmid]

143. No and I didn't say I did.

I have a job, I have to earn a living.

I watched about four hours live... And still worked a full day. I watched other sections through websites later, but I certainly didn't, and did not say I did, watch the whole thing.

Again, she's got incredible stamina.

[Metric System]

151. Ha! You honestly think that the media wouldn't report on Hillary acting confused during live TV?!?

[Agschmid]

154. Well Bloomberg might...

But they aren't the "corporate media", or at least i read that today on DU.

[merrily]

156. I honestly watched them read back to her as I posted up thread. A number of times.

I did not say her demeanor or affect seemed confused. I said what I said. Read, don't re-word. Thanks.

[Agschmid]

160. Maybe that's because the...

"Questions" we're several minutes long.

Her actions at that hearing were very strategic, as they should have been. I doubt it had to do with her missing the point, or having issues with mental acuity.

[merrily]

168. It had to do with giving different answers to the same question. Ever watch a courtroom show?

Lawyers use prior inconsistent answers to challenge credibility. Whether in this case it was a credibility issue or something else, I cannot say. I know what I saw and heard, though.

[Agschmid]

171. Yup... That's correct.

And she didn't.

If she did make and error, we'd be hearing about it.

She was pretty consistent for someone who is overweight, diseased, and might be suffering from early on-set Alzheimer's.

[merrily]

178. Again, they read back her two and three different answers to the same question. And ain't over until

it's over. Yogi Berra.

[Agschmid]

179. Noted that you are still clinging to the Beghazi hearing...

I guess I'm not shocked.

[merrily]

200. I have said several times what I saw and heard.

I am not the one who said she was overweight, though you did use that as an example of a response you did not want to dispute and I tried to have an adult discussion about handling such a comment. I never said in any context that she was diseased or suffering from early Alzheimers and I said she is looking fitter. What an utterly dishonest kind of response to make to me, Agschmid.

[Agschmid]

208. I didn't say those were your words, but it's a great example of...

The blatant bullshit that got posted in this thread.

We are, and should be better than this.

[merrily]

209. Posting to me implies I said those words. I am not responsible for everything

on the thread, ffs. Am I trying to hold you responsible for everything Metric System and Democrat at Birth posted? When are Hillary supporter going to stop pretending every Bernie supporter has to be responsible for everything ever posted by any Bernie supporter?>

[Agschmid]

212. Yah I didn't do that.

No posting to you doesn't imply anything about who said what, in no way are those words attributed to you.

Just to make it clear for anyone else reading Merrily didn't call Clinton any names.

[merrily]

215. Of course it implies it. Normally, people don't throw back in Joe's face words only

Tom said and Joe never said. That's not how normal conversations go. I didn't say anything to you about how rude other Hillary supporters on this thread were to me. That kind of thing is bizarre.

[Agschmid]

218. Yup again, those words weren't yours.

Your making this something it isn't.

[OilemFirchen]

197. You've admitted that you didn't watch the hearing.

I did. The entire thing.

Your opinion is moot.

[merrily]

198. I watched. I said I did not watch all 11 hours. I did not state an opinion. I reported what I saw

and heard.

[OilemFirchen]

207. Didn't you attempt to impeach her credibility earlier, based on some legal comparison?

Here's mine: If you didn't hear the entire testimony, your "report" is moot and most certainly an "opinion".

[JoePhilly]

354. There would have been 10 OPs about it

right here on DU.

[SunSeeker]

166. Same here. Glad it got hidden. nt

[Beacool]

89. First of all, no she isn't going to be 70 years old next year.

She just turned 68 a few weeks ago. Second, I dare you to have a conversation with Hillary and see if you can keep up with her.

Of all the pathetic things one reads here, your response is at the top of the list. At least for today, tomorrow someone else may come up with something even more outrageous.

[Metric System]

102. Bernie is no spring chicken himself, if we're looking at ages. And women live longer.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

155. A little extreme dontcha think? How do you jump from the occasional confusion displayed by Hillary to the onset of Alzheimer's?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

235. Your compadre can't respond. He or she was locked out of the thread,

EOM

[Turn CO Blue]

78. Oh for Pete's sake! She is sharp as tack. from Bernie supporter n/t

[Koinos]

93. I agree.

[reformist2]

111. She *used* to be sharp as a tack. That tack has dulled, quite honestly.

She's lost her quickness. She's still got the smarts, but the edge is off. She seems tired now. A little weary, even.

[yardwork]

355. Yeah, she seemed exhausted during the Benghazi hearing.

Wait.

[DCBob]

108. If Hillary is confused, Im brain dead.

[underpants]

132. This was topic #1 on Rush Limbaugh's show today

I caught it running errands at lunch. On DU now...from Judicial Watch no less.

[mcar]

262. Now Judicial Watch is a DU fave

Along with Bill Kristol, Ann Coulter, the Washington Beacon, Rush Limbaugh and the Wall Street Journal. I've seen all of these quoted with approval here on DU.

[emulatorloo]

384. I am a 'sources matter' person. Every one of those people are known liars

Yet some people treat treat them as truth tellers. Could not believe how much breathless quotation of Gowdy there was this summer.

[mcar]

385. It's very discouraging

I totally get people actively supporting a candidate - I think all three of ours are really good.

But I am with you - sources matter.

[wendylaroux]

194. that explains it

[Hoyt]

113. Shoot, I've been confused over my schedule since 1975 or so.

[madamesilverspurs]

115. Yeah, I'm often confused about stuff I have to do.

Thank heaven for post it notes, since I can't afford a staff to manage my calendar. Big deal, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Again, the silly pool is getting deeper.

[BumRushDaShow]

184. "Thank heaven for post it notes"

[Koinos]

129. I think both Clinton and Sanders are doing very well on the campaign trail.

I wish I had their energy and "clarity." Running for president would kill me.

But, if elected, their age might make a second term more difficult. We do slow down as we age, and "Saint Ronald" outlived his brain cells.

On the other hand, the Republican candidates are way beyond "confusion" to batshit crazy. Their trains were short one engineer when they left the station.

We have three excellent candidates.

Thanks for the post, Elleng. It produced some lively discussion.

[SusanCalvin]

137. This seems to imply "confused regarding her schedule,"

And, if so, BFD. That's why people at that level have aides.

[merrily]

147. No. it says it's very important to go over stuff for 8 o'clock meeting.

[onenote]

286. six weeks after she had a concussion three years ago.

That she fully recovered from, unless you're Drudge, Limbaugh and Rove -- who were spinning the "permanent brain damage" story that some here are, more subtly, seeming too revive.

[Metric System]

148. Stop it, you're making too much sense.

[moobu2]

142. She was jetting all over the world

in and out of time zones constantly. Better come up with something better than this.

[Agschmid]

158. They have actually come up stuff MUCH better than this...

But they choose to go with "this"...

I mean honestly, come on. What did they expect?

[6chars]

180. Staffer?

Never heard of Huma Abedin. She must be some low level assistant.

[Karma13612]

250. google her. she has been with HRC for years

she is/was her right arm/personal assistant.

They have a long history.

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin|

[6chars]

370. the headline / story kind of underplay that.

[Godhumor]

181. Well, this became one ugly thread

Frankly shocked at what some people think is OK to post about the likely nominee for our party.

[Agschmid]

183. Yup.

[Agschmid]

185. If your point was Martin O'Malley is the most "fit" candidate...

It's seems that got lost in the mess.

Maybe a do over?

[Cha]

231. The law of unintended consequences.

[one_voice]

191. I think it's too vague...

that could mean a bunch of different things. If she has a bunch of meetings scheduled it could mean she's confused about who's scheduled at what time.

Cherry picking is always dangerous. **not directed at the OP but rather at Judicial Watch who released this very tiny bit**

Given her 11 hours testimony and debates, she's not too confused imo.

[OilemFirchen]

202. I'll point out again...

that the purpose of the JW suit has always been to harass Clinton, Abedin and Blumenthal. Nothing more.

You're doing Klayman's job here.

[one_voice]

206. I think we agree here...

My point was they're making a lot out of nothing...imo. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

Guess I wasn't clear...in my original comment.

[OilemFirchen]

210. Sorry. Meant to reply to the OP. (n/t)

[karynnj]

199. Please note the date - it is mid January 2013, when we KNOW Clinton was both working and recovering

a concussion. For one poster who suggested this should interest Gowdy. Consider this -- the Republicans forcing her to answer questions for 11 hours - which she did, staying alert, logical and coherent is a pretty good demonstration that even if there were problems the month after her concussion - they are no longer an issue.

[book_worm]

203. It's sad that rivals have to resort to this kind of junk.

[PatrickforO]

228. I had forgotten the concussion.

I can remember thinking, though, that being SoS wore Clinton out. She was obviously fatigued in many cases when I saw vids of her getting back, heading out, etc.

But as mentioned, I had forgotten the concussion.

[Bleacher Creature]

204. Here's some free advice.

If you're thinking about posting something that's likely the source for multiple reposts over at Free Republic, it doesn't belong here.

[Beacool]

243. Exactly.........

Free Republic has about six posts on this subject. Nice to know that anti-Hillary Democrats have lowered themselves to the level of the Freepers.

[riversedge]

205. Seems even most Sanders supporters know the OP is Vile RW sticking garbage--as it

only has 10 shameful REC's

[riversedge]

213. Whow--up to 11 shameful Rec's for this vile RW hit OP

[JoePhilly]

219. Oooops ... I staggered on to FreeRepublic.

You guys are hilarious.

[Beacool]

221. Yeah, just like I always say:

DU is the mirror imagine of Free Republic.

Thank goodness this is not the real world.

[JoePhilly]

223. Yea ... and some on DU ...

... have passed through the looking glass.

[PatrickforO]

222. While getting confused happens to the best of us, I confess that when Clinton

was SoS, I did have a few concerns about her health - maybe not so much that as her obvious fatigue. I haven't noticed how Kerry is holding up - he probably looks pretty tired too. It is a concern.

[MrWendel]

229. Did not look confused...

infront of the Benghazi committee for 11 hours.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

236. Hillary confused - never!

Hillary knows exactly what she is doing

[Autumn]

237. Didn't she have some kind of a medical issue around that time?

[riversedge]

241. yes, she did and it is resolved. Anyone who pushes this RW can join Hannity et. al.

[Autumn]

242. Who's pushing it? Is discussing it pushing it?

[leftofcool]

347. Yes but that is okay

Because anything to denigrate Hillary will do, even if it is from Rush Limbaugh.

[Autumn]

351. It's from her emails, when she was SOS. That's where it originated from

and as such it's a fair discussion. Hillary has been given a clean bill of health so it's not like an old email from her aide is going to wreck her run. I don't know what Limbaugh has to do with it. He didn't file the FOIA lawsuit, that was done by Judicial Watch and some other dirt bag runs that group.

[misterhighwasted]

238. When they have to dig back 2 years for smear, you know their candidate's

..holding steady at 25%.
Two years ago HRC wasn't feeling well.
Shame on you.

[Thinkingabout]

239. This was at the time of her concussion, confusion is one of the symptoms of concussion. one can

Recover, get over this.

[randome]

245. Damn. This thread grew quickly.

Please let our candidate be stupid or incompetent or something! Please, oh, please, oh, please...

Pathetic.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[onenote]

247. I'm a Sanders supporter, but this OP and its defenders should be ashamed of themselves

I expect this crap from Limbaugh and Rove, not from Democrats, no matter who they support.

Does no one understand context? Clinton fainted and hit her head in December 2012 and suffered a concussion. It was a matter of public record. It also was a matter of public record -- that it took her several months to recover. The email in question -- from January 2013 -- is consistent with that history.

But trying to spin that story into some lingering impact where there is absolutely no evidence of such nearly THREE YEARS LATER is obscene.

Shame. Shame on anyone who spreads this story -- a story that was spread by Karl Rove in 2013 after Clinton had recovered. And now is being spread here on DU.

Shame.

[Autumn]

251. The email was released Monday following a Freedom of Information Act

lawsuit so this is not digging up an old Rove story, unless you are saying Rove had the e mail that Huma Abedin sent . No one is spreading anything.

[onenote]

257. The story completely lacked context that anyone who followed Clinton's career would know

There isn't any reference in the story to the fact that the email in question was sent at a time when Clinton was recovering from a concussion. Or that it was widely reported that she had recovered fully from the concussion six months later.

I'm sorry, but a lot of posters have jumped on this story as if it is indicative of Clinton's condition today, without that context.

And anyone who was paying attention to politics in 2012 and 2013 would be aware of Clinton's accident and of Rove's and Drudge's and Limbaugh's obscene accusations that she suffered permanent brain damage and the lack of any evidence supporting that claim.

So yes, this is spreading something. And it smells.

[Autumn]

263. Not in the article there isn't but her medical issue when she was SOS made the news.

And the email was just released so it's going to make the rounds as did her clear bill of health.

[onenote]

265. Yet there are posters here saying the email is indicative of her current health

Have you stood up to any of those posters?

[riversedge]

258. Writing an OP is spreading the Hillary smear. Simple as that.

[Autumn]

272. Are you saying elleng is Julian Hattem? The Julian Hattem who wrote the article that

was posted in the OP?

[riversedge]

277. Non you are one that is very confused.

[Autumn]

281. Someones confused but it's not me. elleng didn't write the OP

elleng simply posted an article written by someone else for discussion. That's what people do on a discussion board. Post articles that some may want to discuss.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

260. A FOIA request from Judicial Watch

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-email-reveals-top-aide-huma-abedin-warning-state-department-staffer-that-hillary-clinton-is-often-confused/

[Autumn]

273. Yeah that's what that ass does. Is the e mail untrue?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

274. It is from a time when she was recovering from a concussion.

I guess a public official surrenders his or her right to privacy on private matters.

[Autumn]

279. Yeah I'm well aware of that and yes they do on most matters, politician are aware of that

Since the e mail was released after a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit then it's up for discussion. As SOS her e mails are government business and the e mail was telling someone else to make sure she was aware of a the next days schedule.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

284. This thread has literally drained me....

The appeal to our darker angels and the strength it takes to resist it is enervating. Score one for your team.

[Autumn]

285. I literally have no words to respond to that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

287. I suggest you and your team just savor your victory.

I feel as if I just finished a fifteen round fight with a twenty two year old Mike Tyson. My body literally hurts. There are three dimensional human beings behind these modems who laugh, why cry, who feel pain...

[Autumn]

294. Wow, I see no victory and am at a loss as to how a discussion on a released

email regarding an SOS can cause people to cry and feel pain. I have never gotten that attached to a politician.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

299. Pain, yes...Tears for what our community has become, almost

The only thing that lifts my sagging spirits is how hard my fellow Clinton supporters have fought. I truly feel as I am part of something special and bigger than myself.

[Autumn]

300. It's the primaries. It happens nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

303. I regret I don't have your level of detachment.

EOM

[Autumn]

312. Politician come and go, most of them are an illusion they allow us to see

so to me it's not detachment I see it as reality. We elect them to do a job. Nothing more.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

314. So it would be fair me to assume you just think Bernie is a better choice than Hillary and not ...

So it would be fair me to assume you just think Bernie is a better choice than Hillary and not a demigod?

[Autumn]

317. Yes I feel he is a much better choice. Demigods belong on Olympus not in

Washington DC.

[Juicy_Bellows]

399. Just wanted to say - you are awesome! nt.

[Blasphemer]

371. Thank you for this

This thread has been pretty revolting to read. I myself had forgotten about the concussion but thought it was being taken out of context for other reasons. Anyone with a schedule that busy, no matter their age or health status can get "confused". If Abedin had used didn't phrasing, this would be a non-story. I can't believe anyone at DU would treat this as a serious campaign issue.

[riversedge]

248. Congrats to the OP--Tucker's -Daily Caller has your vile story

[NanceGreggs]

264. Usually I would say that the bottom of the barrel ...

... has now been officially scraped. But I've come to know that someone will always manage to come up with something even more despicable than the last despicable post.

Anyone who watched HRC at the Benghazi hearing and thinks she gets "confused" must be very "confused" themselves.

[Thinkingabout]

309. This was written when she was recuperating from her concussion. She has every sign of recuperation.

[NanceGreggs]

313. Yeah, I figured that from the year.

Too bad some people here think this kind of bullshit should be posted.

[Thinkingabout]

316. She has recuperated, anything to ditch her. She is on a roll.

[restorefreedom]

268. first of all, i don't begrudge anyone who works a lot

to take naps. hell i am in my fifties and take naps occasionally.

the confusion comment is a little more concerning. but i don't think a single email gives us the context we would need to evaluate this. was this a bad week? bad month? is it an ongoing concern? did everyone notice or just those who worked closely with her and saw her in every circumstance? (tired, after travel, etc). is there any medical issue that needs followup?

i just don't think we can necessarily infer a problem without knowing more.

[musiclawyer]

276. I think she is confused

If she thanks that making over $3.5 million from banks is meaningless and irrelevant to voters. AND look at her top ten donors. That's all that matters.

[Juicy_Bellows]

400. True - not to mention girls with flowers = sniper fire. nt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

280. I couldn't be prouder of the way my fellow Hillary supporters responded to this calumny...

If the good lord calls me home tonight I will meet my maker content in the knowledge that I was part of something larger than myself.

[William769]

283. She didn't seem to have a problem in the last two debates kicking ass.

Seems like a non starter of a story here.

[askew]

288. This is pretty troubling. One of my biggest concerns about both Hillary and Bernie is age.

I very much remember Reagan's 2nd term when he clearly had no idea what's going on. What reassures me about Bernie is that he is keeping a vigorous schedule up and has been doing lots of open events and media interviews. Hillary is doing a very easy schedule this whole campaign with very few unscripted events or tough media interviews. It reminds me a lot of McCain in 2008 when Obama was doing 3x the events McCain was.

This email is going to bring back the health concerns people have for her.

[Agschmid]

290. Neither one of them have an "easy" schedule.

They both are "on" non stop and have been working 16 hour + days, for months.

[askew]

296. Hillary is not doing anything close to that. She's campaigning at 1/4 sped right now

And I am not sure she can handle a tougher schedule.

[Agschmid]

298. And you know her schedule because Robby Mook sent it to you?

I mean honestly where did you get this?

[askew]

306. Compare her schedule to O'Malley's, Sanders or her schedule from 2007.

[Agschmid]

318. I await the comparison...

Going to back up your statements?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

319. The truth can be as hard to find here as virgins are at the Bunny Ranch.

EOM

[Agschmid]

321. Actually part of it is posted right below, people just ignore what they don't want to see.

[onenote]

322. OK -- here's the comparison. await your reply.

Clinton: http://hillaryspeeches.com/speech-archive/

Sanders:https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/events

O'Malley: https://www.facebook.com/MartinOMalley/events

Still going to ride that pony?

[onenote]

368. Crickets? Or are you still counting?

[Agschmid]

393. Maybe they are moving at 1/4 speed while writing the reply?

[onenote]

304. No one should come to DU expecting an honest debate

both sides are guilty.

But it really should stop.

BTW -- Here's Clinton's 1/4 speed schedule. http://hillaryspeeches.com/speech-archive/2015-2/

[onenote]

292. What is troubling? the known fact that three years ago she had a concussion

the known fact that this email was sent six weeks after that event, when she was still recovering (famously wearing glasses because of the lingering effects).

or the known fact that after she was fully recovered, the only people claiming there was permanent injury from the concussion (which is now three years behind us), were Rove and Limbaugh and Drudge.

Until this thread.

[redwitch]

289. She doesn't seem confused to me.

And I am a firm belier in power naps. I do not know how anyone can fly as much as the Secretary of State does and be remotely coherent. I get terrible jet lag and could never do it, even at 30 I would have had a hard time.

[TwilightGardener]

301. Wow, lots of angry buzzing and swarming.

This isn't a "smear", unless you think Huma Abedin was trying to smear or insult her boss. The fact that Judicial Watch/FOIA initially got the email released is not relevant--what's true is that these are the words of Hillary's top aide, in full context with other emails. What's also true is that EllenG did not post this from a RW smear source, it's from The Hill. Thus it's news, whether you like it or not. Now, you can dismiss the relevance of "often confused", or assume Abedin was using it in a more non-cognitive way (confused about her meeting schedule, let's say), or you can chalk it up to a temporary condition related to her head injury. Personally, I don't know what she's referring to. But no, it's not a smear to release an email, and there's no reason why it shouldn't be posted here--it's her staffers' own words, presented in context. I mean, I watched people here post a smear about VP Biden from anonymous sources at Politico that he deliberately used his own son's death for political gain, and no one fainted. In fact, the Hillary folk were all over it. THAT was OK. An anonymous smear-job. Hillary's staffers' own words--smear? I don't think so. And if Bernie's folks had an email like this, the Hillary people would be trumpeting it from the rooftops as proof he's too old. It would be devastating to his campaign, in fact. And I, as a supporter, would cringe and ponder it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

310. A lot of words in a passive voice to malign Hillary...

And if you and your associates think you can silence me I would literally rather die. One of your associates lectured me in another thread that I lacked the mental acuity to know what literally means:

lit·er·al·ly
ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/
adverb
in a literal manner or sense; exactly.
"the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle"
synonyms: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly; More
informal
used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true.
"I have received literally thousands of letters"

[Juicy_Bellows]

401. Fantastic assessment. Well said. Oh how I love the truth. nt.

[Vattel]

305. This is silly.

[NCTraveler]

308. Appreciate the op Elleng

A number of posters just completely removed their masks. You dangled some low hanging fruit and temptation proved to great.

[NurseJackie]

320. My guess is that this wasn't her intention. But, as you noted, much has been revealed.

[seaglass]

363. You are a much more forgiving person that I am and I'm not even a Hillary supporter! But with this

thread and the previous one she posted which includes this:

"It’s not like the Democrats are without a primary process. There’s Martin O’Malley, Bernie Sanders, Jim Webb, and some old lady who suffered a brain injury. Perhaps the DNC is just trying to let the elderly heal before subjecting her to a debate. "

I don't buy innocent intentions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027181586

[NurseJackie]

364. As more information surfaces, and as more facts are revealed …

… my willingness to be "forgiving" and give the benefit of the doubt decreases proportionately. I hold no belief that my opinions actually matter to those about whom we speak, but there's a measurable amount of satisfaction I have in now knowing the truth. What initially appeared to be a one-off lapse of good judgement, or something posted in haste and frustration, was actually an indication that there's more to come. All in all, it's no big deal, but now I know, and as a result, all future posts will be given the exact amount of consideration that they deserve. Those posts will blend in with the cacophonous background noise.

[LuvLoogie]

332. Yeah! Way to troll the bottom feeders, E!

She really landed some big ones.

[Dem2]

407. I would never have thought this was possible

Are people actually rooting for this character assassination in order to, I assume, the benefit of Bernie? the Republicans?

I'm confused.

[YOHABLO]

315. Yeah, like it's the onset of Alzheimer's. People need to get a life.

[Nonhlanhla]

325. She does not appear confused now

The statement clearly EITHER refers to the concussion and some lingering confusion at the time, OR it refers to general confusion about schedule (I know I'm often confused about my schedule, and that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with my brain - it just means I could have used a personal assistant!)

Clearly the right wing plans to engage in some ageism on top of their sexism. We're in for a wild ride. After 8 years of their racist anti-Obama $#!t, often "hidden" behind dog whistles (he's Kenyan, he's Muslim, he hates America etc.), it is only to be expected that they will use gender and age against Hillary.

Or in the less likely chance of a Bernie nomination, ageism coupled with the Red Scare will be in the cards.

Don't know what they'll do with O'Malley. I'm sure Rove (or whoever is the current reincarnation of Cthulhu in the GOP) will find some Achilles heel to exploit if he were to be the nominee.

[greymattermom]

328. Which candidate is fat and has hair issues?

The Donald, of course.

[Major Hogwash]

337. This is very interesting, but not surprising.

I am surprised that Hillary has an aide named Monica, however.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

352. Why am I not surprised you don't find this surprising yet find it interesting ?

[Maedhros]

338. I wouldn't read too much into this.

It could simply be snark on the part of her aides.

[Jim Lane]

339. The vitriol about this post is ridiculous.

There's an email about a prominent Democratic politician, from someone close to her, that has just been publicly released and is uncomplimentary to the politician. I, for one, am glad to know about it, since I never read Drudge and only occasionally read The Hill.

My first thought, when I read the OP, was that 8:00 a.m. was an unusual time for a phone call. Maybe it's just my bias as a night owl, but I thought Abedin might mean "Make sure she realizes it's scheduled for eight in the morning and not eight at night."

I'd forgotten about Clinton's concussion. The swarm of posts pointing that out helped put this email in context (although, frankly, we didn't need quite so many making the same point).

So the net effect of the OP and the resulting thread was to improve our knowledge. Why is this a problem?

Some people seem to be propounding an absolute rule that nothing Limbaugh mentions, and nothing that generates multiple posts on Free Republic, may be reported here. That's just silly. If Clinton had been indicted over something relating to the emails, as the Freepers were ardently hoping, would their jubilation mean that we'd all have to pretend it didn't happen? This offhand comment by Abedin is obviously nowhere near as harmful to Clinton but the same principle applies.

[leftofcool]

348. Report away.

Anything Rush says that denigrates Hillary is obviously welcome here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

353. You deliver the truth without varnish, as always.

Thank you.

[Romulox]

390. You apparently don't know who Huma Abedin is. nt

[randome]

362. "improve our knowledge". That's rich.

That's like pulling the old "it's only about States' rights and freedom" card. Or shutting down abortion providers because "we only want to keep people safe, what's wrong with that?"

The purpose of this OP is to imply that Clinton is in a deteriorating state. It's a pathetic attempt by those who think of themselves as 'losers' because they know their preferred candidate is never going to make it.

That's the thing about always trying to 'win' something when we should be working together. If all you see is 'winning' then 'not-winning' equals 'losing'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

367. It's a Nixonian tactic...

Nixon would often say "others are saying my opponent is fill in the blank but I wouldn't stoop to make that allegation." Well, you just did.

[onenote]

383. The vitriol is warranted by the omission of important context

You describe the story as one about "an email about a prominent Democratic politician, from someone close to her, that has just been publicly released and is uncomplimentary to the politician"

But the story could be described as being about "the recent release, made in response to a FOIA request by right wing group "Judicial Watch", of a three year old email about a prominent Democratic politician, written less than three weeks after that politician was discharged from the hospital after suffering a severe concussion in an accidental fall, noting that said politician was experiencing bouts of confusion. Although Republicans originally claimed that the accident did not occur and the politician was feigning injury to avoid testifying about Benghazi, conservatives later shifted tactics and have claimed that the concussion not only occurred, but that it caused permanent brain damage. In 2014, Karl Rove made such a claim but later retracted it, stating that "Of course, she doesn't have brain damage."

Big difference in those descriptions.

[Jim Lane]

389. You're omitting the context of the omission of context

The context of the OP is "I read something interesting about one of the candidates and I'm sharing it." The context is NOT "I've discovered that Hillary Clinton is a brain-addled nitwit." The author of the OP shared what information she had and put it out for comment.

The implication of your post is that no one can post anything without providing all additional relevant factors. So, if someone posts the latest poll from New Hampshire or whatever, the poster would be required to include a full analysis of that particular pollster's track record for accuracy, including possible biases relating to any of the candidates involved. When Nate Silver does a comprehensive meta-analysis based on multiple polls, and announces a conclusion, he does take account of each pollster's track record. Here, however, plenty of people (especially Clinton supporters) post new poll results without doing that. A post to DU can just pass on one bit of information.

If I had seen this email reported, I might have posted it here for comment. I'd forgotten all about Clinton's concussion (all the Republican noise about it having left no lasting impression on me). So I would have omitted that and other members, responding, would have added that point. Score one for open discussion on a discussion board!

I disagree with you on one aspect of the context, however. You and others in this thread seem to think it important that the email became public because of the actions of a right-wing group and has been talked up by other right-wingers. That's McCarthyism of the left. Abedin wrote that email or she didn't. If there's any good-faith dispute as to the accuracy of it, or if the text has been unfairly excerpted, point that out. Otherwise, if what we have is a factually accurate report, then it's irrelevant whether right-wingers played a role in making the facts known, and it's irrelevant whether right-wingers are drawing false conclusions from true information. Facts are facts.

[onenote]

391. The story of Clinton's concussion was a big news event. Whether or not she wore glasses was splashed

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across the front page.

The degree to which the story is "interesting" varies enormously if one omits the factual context. And generally speaking, before I post anything, I try to verify it and understand its context, especially when I see triggers such as "Judicial Watch" who have a distinct agenda.

Yes, facts are facts. But when relevant facts are omitted, facts become misleading.

And I'm having trouble buying the notion that it's just a coincidence that the poster that linked to this story just happens to be the same poster that linked to a rw website (redstate) article that described Clinton as "an old lady with a brain injury." http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027181586

[EndElectoral]

366. I don't think she's confused. I think she's quite clear. That's why I cannot vote for her.

[Juicy_Bellows]

403. It took to post 366 to get it right.

You win the Kewpie doll.

It's obvious she is mentally all there - it's just that her motivations and thinking align with the wrong party*

* The above statements are a matter of my opinion only, however correct it may be.

[Hekate]

373. I'm often confused about which site I landed in, bcs I didn't used to need to scrape my shoes at DU

Lately, though, I've been wearing rubber boots because I never know what I'll be stepping in.

[potone]

378. This is ridiculous.

Considering how much time she spent traveling as SOS it is hardly surprising that she might need a nap occasionally because of jet lag. And as for being confused, I think people are reading way too much into that. Anyone with a schedule as demanding as hers was might well have trouble remembering every appointment she had scheduled every day. That is what staff is for. I am a Bernie supporter, but I really don't think that she has shown any signs of lacking mental acuity. Her 11 hour performance at that charade of a Congressional hearing should put paid to any thoughts of that.

Can we please get back to discussing real issues?

[Faux pas]

380. Seems to me

that she's still 'confused'. Pity.

[BumRushDaShow]

386. When I turned in last night this thread was up to 66 recs

Then early this morning it was down to 19. Now it's crept up to 23. Really shows how far into the sewer DU has fallen.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

388. If you cold turn the bitterness in this thread to love the world would be an infinitely better place

[Hell Hath No Fury]

394. Not uncommon at all after a concussion.

I suffered one almost 2 years ago. When I read "nap" and "confusion" that just screamed post-concussion syndrome to me. The confusion usually comes on or gets worse with fatigue. It also would effect me in weird ways -- I could hold a detailed conversation with ease but I would find myself getting lost when I drove in the town I grew up in. She had her concussion in 2012 and this email is from 2013 -- that is right in the timeline of a healing concussion. Mine has taken almost 2 years to recover from, though symptoms can flare if I overdo it too much. I'm not too worried about this.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

395. Is that the new explanation for her decisions on war, torture, Wall Street, etc?

[Gloria]

396. She officially stepped down from her post on February 1, 2013. Her clot issue was in December 2012.

Not to mention, after that 4 years, she was exhausted. She had vision issues as a result of her medical problem, too.

So I call bullshit for this to be used against her....

She isn't confused now, that's for sure......

[Bleacher Creature]

404. How is this thread still going? It's vile.

When I first saw the OP, I thought that it was one of the worst things I've ever seen in DU. When you add in the replies and recs, it starts creeping up to the top of that list.

This thread is contributing NOTHING positive to DU.

[spyker29]

409. Shameful OP.

[Bread and Circus]

410. As much as I criticize Clinton I would give her a pass on this.

She is definitely not daft.

I think there are many legitimate lines of criticism but this isn't one.

It is kind of humorous though. People always like to think they are more capable than the boss.