Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
63 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
UMass Poll: Hillary 63% Bernie 29% (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 OP
It's educational! 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #1
I don't buy it. But apearantly hillary did. Bubzer Nov 2015 #36
Yeah, OK Mitt. 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #52
My bern's got a little machine. nt Codeine Nov 2015 #39
Fascinating detail, there!!! 78% think she has the best chance of beating the GOP!!! MADem Nov 2015 #2
Bernie has work to do to turn this around if he wants to win. Agschmid Nov 2015 #5
Bernie did such a good job moving Hillary to the left. Laser102 Nov 2015 #44
That's what NPR said today. Agschmid Nov 2015 #45
Hillary does have the best chance of beating GOP. She's the smartest with much more experience Cha Nov 2015 #14
Absolutely asuhornets Nov 2015 #31
she also has huge negatives, and is known for being too cute with words Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #37
Her positives far outway her negatives.. & people have way with twisting words. Hillary's the best Cha Nov 2015 #40
Oh no, she's like Bill! 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #53
Wow. Agschmid Nov 2015 #3
So it's going to be moobu2 Nov 2015 #4
...more likely Ted Cruz (crazy) vs Marco Rubio (establishment) brooklynite Nov 2015 #61
KICK AND RECOMMEND DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #6
Is this a MA poll or National? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #7
Last paragraph ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #13
Ok. Thought it was a pdf download. Thanks. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #16
National. Agschmid Nov 2015 #15
Poll says that even Sanders voters "recognize that Clinton has best chance of winning" book_worm Nov 2015 #8
Woot! sheshe2 Nov 2015 #9
Who's got the unskewed results? BootinUp Nov 2015 #10
This cracks me up DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #26
Makes me want to open a bottle of wine and celebrate! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #12
The box wine is already tapped :) Agschmid Nov 2015 #17
Enjoy riversedge Nov 2015 #18
Happy DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #19
“Even many of Sanders’ supporters recognize that Clinton has the best chance of winning in November Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #20
She is because we say she is. We say she is because she is. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #22
Just keep repeating the same tired arguments, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #23
WOOOHOOO!!! lunamagica Nov 2015 #21
Trump, Carson...Trump, Carson... SoapBox Nov 2015 #24
381 out of 1000 is NOT representative of the nation Lordquinton Nov 2015 #27
It was representaive of the nation. And it was not a self-selecting "internet poll." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #34
Out of 1224 only ~380 were Democratic? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #60
No, it was out of 1000, and it was 381 "likely" Dem voters. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #63
Here's the "hard numbers" you apparently skipped over: SunSeeker Nov 2015 #33
Meh...still not particularly sold on YouGov online polls tritsofme Nov 2015 #25
I'm not surprised. Beacool Nov 2015 #28
WOOO!!! Hillary has 240 *fans*!!! Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #29
Is polling hard for you to understand? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #38
Apparently, it is...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #46
Madam President has the mojo--> Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton riversedge Nov 2015 #43
It's not a clickbait poll MaggieD Nov 2015 #30
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2015 #32
A Mass-ive lead! DCBob Nov 2015 #35
Good one. riversedge Nov 2015 #41
Kick. Agschmid Nov 2015 #42
Enough with the polls already. We all know they are mostly bunk simply be looking at those numbers. litlbilly Nov 2015 #47
Literally everything you wrote is wrong Godhumor Nov 2015 #49
Please don't try to reason somebody out of something they didn't reason themselves into. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #58
People who are confident that they are winning don't ned to try to stack the deck. 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #57
Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton ! riversedge Nov 2015 #59
Stay in denial. Cha Nov 2015 #62
So how much did that poll cost Hillary? tartan2 Nov 2015 #48
No need to be sarcastic... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #50
Hardy har har. pnwmom Nov 2015 #54
Bernie's going to win all 50 states, damnit RandySF Nov 2015 #51
K & R Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #55
Right on target, and corresponds with MineralMan Nov 2015 #56

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
36. I don't buy it. But apearantly hillary did.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:19 PM
Nov 2015

Polls that miraculously supporting hillary in the face of overwhelming instant poll after instant poll, favoring Bernie Sanders, are suspect at best, after the following posts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128074296
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251810548

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Fascinating detail, there!!! 78% think she has the best chance of beating the GOP!!!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:18 PM
Nov 2015
The poll also surveyed 381 likely Democratic primary voters, and found that Sen. Bernie Sanders is struggling to gain any traction against Hillary Clinton. Clinton was the top choice among 63 percent of likely Democratic primary voters, compared to just 29 percent for Sanders.
Democrats also view Clinton as having the best chance of winning the general election, with 78 percent seeing her as the most competitive candidate to take on the Republican nominee, compared to just 19 percent for Sanders.
“Even many of Sanders’ supporters recognize that Clinton has the best chance of winning in November, and that is obviously a key part of her campaign juggernaut,” Schaffner concluded.
YouGov interviewed 1,224 respondents who were then matched down to a nationally representative sample of 1,000 American adults. The respondents were matched to a sampling frame on gender, age, race, education, party identification, ideology and political interest. Likely voters are respondents who said that they would definitely or probably vote in their state’s presidential primary or caucus. Confirmed registered likely voters are those likely voters who the UMass Poll directors were able to match to voter files as active registered voters. The margin of error among Republican likely primary voters is 6.4 percent, and the margin of error among Democratic likely primary voters is 6.0 percent.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
5. Bernie has work to do to turn this around if he wants to win.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:22 PM
Nov 2015
democrats also view Clinton as having the best chance of winning the general election, with 78 percent seeing her as the most competitive candidate to take on the Republican nominee, compared to just 19 percent for Sanders.


Wow.

Laser102

(816 posts)
44. Bernie did such a good job moving Hillary to the left.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:49 PM
Nov 2015

This is what he wanted right? He wanted to make sure she was up to the job and would be able to defeat the Republicans, right? We owe Bernie a debt of gratitude for the awesome candidate Hillary has become.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
14. Hillary does have the best chance of beating GOP. She's the smartest with much more experience
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:31 PM
Nov 2015

where it counts.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
37. she also has huge negatives, and is known for being too cute with words
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:31 PM
Nov 2015

like Bill, and for being a warhawk.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
40. Her positives far outway her negatives.. & people have way with twisting words. Hillary's the best
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:41 PM
Nov 2015

choice.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Last paragraph ...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:30 PM
Nov 2015
YouGov interviewed 1,224 respondents who were then matched down to a nationally representative sample of 1,000 American adults. The respondents were matched to a sampling frame on gender, age, race, education, party identification, ideology and political interest. Likely voters are respondents who said that they would definitely or probably vote in their state’s presidential primary or caucus. Confirmed registered likely voters are those likely voters who the UMass Poll directors were able to match to voter files as active registered voters. The margin of error among Republican likely primary voters is 6.4 percent, and the margin of error among Democratic likely primary voters is 6.0 percent.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
8. Poll says that even Sanders voters "recognize that Clinton has best chance of winning"
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

“Even many of Sanders’ supporters recognize that Clinton has the best chance of winning in November, and that is obviously a key part of her campaign juggernaut,” Schaffner concluded.

Response to BootinUp (Reply #10)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Makes me want to open a bottle of wine and celebrate!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:28 PM
Nov 2015

(Oh, who am I kidding? I don't actually NEED an excuse... but this one is as good of one as any!)

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
20. “Even many of Sanders’ supporters recognize that Clinton has the best chance of winning in November
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:43 PM
Nov 2015

and that is obviously a key part of her campaign juggernaut,” Schaffner concluded.

Now that is a fascinating detail.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
22. She is because we say she is. We say she is because she is.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:52 PM
Nov 2015

She is because we say she is. We say she is because she is. She is because we say shit is. We say she is because she is. We say she is because she is. She is because we say she is. We say she is because she is. She is because we say shit is. We say she is because she is. etc.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
24. Trump, Carson...Trump, Carson...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:58 PM
Nov 2015

Uh huh...99% of the article is about the Pukes.

Tossed in at the end, some "causal" comments about Bernie and HRC...

“Even many of Sanders’ supporters recognize that Clinton has the best chance of winning in November, and that is obviously a key part of her campaign juggernaut,” Schaffner concluded."

Well Schaffner...you are wrong! Where are the hard numbers to support your comment?

Comments like this are laughable because they are clueless how deep his support goes.

Gee, I thought it was going to be another PPP poll paid for by David Brock.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
27. 381 out of 1000 is NOT representative of the nation
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:10 PM
Nov 2015

Plus it's an internet poll, we know how scientific those are.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
34. It was representaive of the nation. And it was not a self-selecting "internet poll."
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:07 PM
Nov 2015
YouGov interviewed 1,224 respondents who were then matched down to a nationally representative sample of 1,000 American adults. The respondents were matched to a sampling frame on gender, age, race, education, party identification, ideology and political interest. Likely voters are respondents who said that they would definitely or probably vote in their state’s presidential primary or caucus. Confirmed registered likely voters are those likely voters who the UMass Poll directors were able to match to voter files as active registered voters. The margin of error among Republican likely primary voters is 6.4 percent, and the margin of error among Democratic likely primary voters is 6.0 percent.


http://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/new-umass-poll-finds-donald-trump-and-ben

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
63. No, it was out of 1000, and it was 381 "likely" Dem voters.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:16 AM
Nov 2015

And 318 likely Republican voters out of that same 1000 (not out of 1224).

How many likely Dem voters should they have gotten out of 1000 in your opinion?

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
33. Here's the "hard numbers" you apparently skipped over:
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:04 PM
Nov 2015
Democrats also view Clinton as having the best chance of winning the general election, with 78 percent seeing her as the most competitive candidate to take on the Republican nominee, compared to just 19 percent for Sanders.


http://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/new-umass-poll-finds-donald-trump-and-ben

tritsofme

(17,379 posts)
25. Meh...still not particularly sold on YouGov online polls
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

It will be interesting to see how they perform this cycle.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
28. I'm not surprised.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:13 PM
Nov 2015

In 2008 despite Kerry, Kennedy and Patrick endorsing Obama, Hillary won MA by almost 10%. MA is Clinton country.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
29. WOOO!!! Hillary has 240 *fans*!!!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:18 PM
Nov 2015
240 folks picked Hillary!!!
*winning*

She IS INEVITABLE!
240 people in a poll said so!!!!

Sample:
318 Likely Republican Primary Voters
381 Likely Democratic Primary Voters

Margin of Error:
6.4 for Republican Likely Primary Voters
6.0 for Democratic Likely Primary Voter

YouGov interviewed 1,224 respondents who were then matched down to a sample of 1,000 American adults. The respondents were matched to a sampling frame on gender, age, race, education, party identication, ideology, and political interest. The frame was constructed by stratied sampling from the full 2010 American Community Survey (ACS) sample with selection within strata by weighted sampling with replacements (using the person weights on the public le). Data on voter registration status and turnout were matched to this frame using the November 2010 Current Population Survey. Data on interest in politics and party identication were then matched to this frame from the 2007 Pew Religious Life Survey. The matched cases were weighted to the sampling frame using propensity scores. The matched cases and the frame were combined and a logistic regression was estimated for inclusion in the frame. The propensity score function included age, gender, race/ethnicity, years of education, and ideology. The propensity scores were grouped into deciles of the estimated propensity score in the frame and post-stratied according to these deciles. Likely voters are respondents who said that they would denitely or probably vote in their state's presidential primary or caucus. Confrmed registered likely voters are those likely voters who we were able to match to voter les as active registered voters


Geez that's some kinda massaging of the data!


riversedge

(70,239 posts)
43. Madam President has the mojo--> Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:49 PM
Nov 2015




Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton ! @HillaryforSC #ImWithHer
8:12 PM - 14 Nov 2015 · Myrtle Beach, SC, United States
 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
47. Enough with the polls already. We all know they are mostly bunk simply be looking at those numbers.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:52 PM
Nov 2015

Here's my take on the so called bogus online polls. If so may Hillary suporters were online at the time, why didn't they just vote? Bernie was in the 80's across the board. I think those polls mean more at this point because these are different times. I also believe there are far more of us to prove those polls come next November.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
59. Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton !
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:36 PM
Nov 2015





Silvina Alarcon @salarcon1

Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton ! @HillaryforSC #ImWithHer
8:12 PM - 14 Nov 2015 · Myrtle Beach, SC, United States

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
50. No need to be sarcastic...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:03 PM
Nov 2015
So how much did that poll cost Hillary?

-tartan2




Save your sarcasm for when Hillary dispatches of the Vermont independent in the New Hampshire primary, effectively ends the race, and returns him to the hamlet from which he comes.




Before you respond, think, because I always think at least three steps ahead,
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»UMass Poll: Hillary 63% B...