Insiders: Bad night for Bernie

[riversedge]

He will have time to bone up by the next debate.



Insiders: Bad night for Bernie

One day after the Paris attacks, Democrats viewed him as unprepared to talk in depth about foreign policy.

By Katie Glueck

11/15/15 06:50 AM EST



By Todd S. Purdum

Bernie Sanders had the weakest night of the three Democrats onstage at Saturday night’s debate.

That’s according to a survey of the POLITICO Caucus, a bipartisan group of influential strategists, operatives and activists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, who weighed in immediately following the second Democratic primary debate.

Nearly half of Democrats surveyed said the Vermont senator lost the debate, and only 10 percent of Democrats said he won. Those insiders who said Sanders had the worst night argued that he appeared out of his depth on foreign policy a day after terrorist attacks rocked France. He spent just a few seconds addressing the matter in his opening statement before pivoting to his familiar pitch about the economy, in stark contrast to rival Hillary Clinton, a former secretary of state who devoted her entire statement to the Paris attacks.

“He made a mistake right off the bat in switching from Paris to the economy, and had an uneven performance,” a New Hampshire Democrat said.

"He was clearly not comfortable discussing detail on foreign policy matters," agreed another New Hampshire Democrat.

Others said the self-described democratic socialist made no effort to appeal to the broader Democratic Party, and reinforced perceptions Saturday night that he is unelectable.........................

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/insiders-bad-night-for-bernie-215901#ixzz3rgvnuZBi

[HerbChestnut]

1. So, do some of you Hillary supporters post these articles on a cycle?

This is probably the 3rd or 4th time this one's been posted, and they always seem to come from the same group of people.

[bravenak]

3. First time I've seen it.

[mcar]

44. First time I've seen it too

[SCantiGOP]

50. BS post #1

Look at the front page; first two posts are "I don't trust Hillary Clinton" and "Why I don't trust Hillary Clinton."
Kind of makes your whiny post seem irrelevant.

[mcar]

53. "First time I've seen it too" is whiny

Well alrighty then.

[SunSeeker]

56. Me too. I don't have time to peruse all the political websites. nt

[Metric System]

4. Thank God Bernie supporters never post the same thing over and over and over.

[NurseJackie]

8. No more frequently than Bernie's supporters repost the same links to the same stories.

The proliferation of nearly identical OP's regarding Nina Turner come to mind.

How did you feel about those?

[riversedge]

12. I have not seen it till now. Just ignore it if you have already read it.

[misterhighwasted]

15. I've noticed that same phenomenon with the bernie fans.

Weird how that happens in cycles isn't it.
I actually haven't seen this one yet today.
Its news to me.

Thanks for posting.
Great enlightening OP.

[Cha]

18. Oh you mean like anti-Hillary articles get repeatedly posted?

[mcar]

46. Over and over again

Like they are on a loop.

[Cha]

47. and, of course, they whine about what they do if they think someone else is doing it.

[mcar]

49. OK for me but not for thee

[Cha]

52. Yeah, there's a name for that.

[leftynyc]

21. First time I've seen it also

Not all of us spend 24/7 on the internet.

[bravenak]

2. He looked very uncomfortable onstage during the Guns portion and the FP.

I felt terrible for him. Hillary corrected him, so all is well.

[misterhighwasted]

16. I felt sorry for his lack of prepardness. He needs to fire his handlers.

I'm sure he'll come better prepared next time.

[NurseJackie]

48. He looked like he was about to have a stroke. Does he have rosacea? Was he ill?

Has anyone on his campaign staff studied "TV-101" ?? Nixon/Kennedy comes to mind.

A light foundation or some powder might have helped. (Just ask Trey "High-Gloss" Gowdy.)

[ornotna]

5. There are many outsiders

who think Bernie did just fine.

[misterhighwasted]

17. Agree. I read that he was actually winning in all 50 States.

That's encouraging. With those numbers bernie's bound to sweep the primary.
Hillary doesn't stand a chance. She's gotta be fearin' the bern by now.

[Cha]

22. Haha.. yeah, "outsiders" feelin' the bern. Doesn't change that Hillary won the debate. BS was

was simply unprepared except for his "stump speech".

And, why is that? he had as much time as everyone else.

[misterhighwasted]

28. Oh my, I think I left out that sarcasm thingy in a few of my posts.

OOPS!
..apologies

[ornotna]

33. Your hypebole aside

There are many who do feel he did well. And that's all I said. Bit touchy 'eh? I see you brought your entourage with you.

[misterhighwasted]

36. I brought myself. Touchy??? Not at all.

TOUCHY is when one attacks the messenger, rather than debates the message.
Just sayin.

[ornotna]

37. Please

point out the "debate" in your initial response to me.

[saturnsring]

20. yea everyone inside the bubble thought he did well

[Cha]

24. Ah yes.. bernie only spoke to the bernie bubble.

[upaloopa]

6. The difference between this and the click polls

is that this kind of analysis takes thought.
I listened to Thom Hartman a bit and he recited the Bernie numbers of all the click polls.
Until we have a nominee Thom and TYT's is a waste of time.

[misterhighwasted]

13. So everyone on bernies FB voted for bernie.

And Tom & TYT run with the results?
Omg..

[Cha]

25. They always were a waste of my time. Raging on President Obama with bernie showing up to

rail against him, too.

[misterhighwasted]

27. Wow! its almost like half of them aren't even real DEMS, or something.

I tell ya Cha, it makes ya wonder about the honesty of people.

[Cha]

29. "Honesty" Ha! They're there to make a gd buck. Always spinning always whinging for profit.

But, guess what! It didn't work.. all their whining about the President .. he's more popular than ever much to their disappointment.

Same is Happening with Hillary.

[misterhighwasted]

31. Yup! Thats because the IQ of Hillary or Obama is higher than the combined IQ of thousands dolts that

..count online FB polls as reality.

[immoderate]

7. So what is it that only Hillary can do?

--imm

[oasis]

9. I'm puzzled why Bernie's supporters complained about the low viewership

ratings. They should count it as a plus.

[misterhighwasted]

26. I'm surprised he wanted more than four debates.

He's not doing so well with the first two.
Imagine 6?

[postatomic]

64. I remember saying "be careful what you wish for"

You nailed it. And after each debate Senator Sanders sinks lower and/or remains stagnant in polling. I wonder if they are now thinking "okay, two was enough".

But hey, he's going to give a big speech on Democratic Socialism any day now. Or maybe he already did and I missed it.

[misterhighwasted]

72. His campaign got lost when the going got tough.

He'd get eaten alive by the GOP in the Gen Election.
Already, the vile RW hack, Peggy Noonan referred to Bernie as " being DAFFY" in his trying to connect ISIS & Terrorism to climate change.

Even though one can make some connection between the two, she called him "DAFFY" in the way he focused less on Terrorism & preferred to emphasize climate change as being an equal threat.

When Noonan goes after a candidate in demeaning their value, she holds nothing back & she is showing signs as to how they would bring about the demise of bernie.

"He's DAFFY" refers directly to his coherancy & state of mind. Same game they're trying to play against Hillary right now with her 2013 health.

The RW plays a cutthroat game of politics.Truth is irrelevant to them.
Just ask the Clintons.

[Cha]

30. Oh.. If only bernie had more time so more people could get to know him better.. Hear his stump

speech just one more time!

[misterhighwasted]

10. Unprepared ..

Nothing says unprepared like moving off topic as quickly as possible and back to the redundant stump speech.

Totally dropped the ball & it was obvious.
Oh well.

[Thinkingabout]

11. K & R

Thanks for the link. Foreign affairs policy will come up again, this is not over. He also voted against the ISIS Resolution.

[misterhighwasted]

19. No! He Voted Against the ISIS Resolution!! Oh man, thats not good.

Poor bernie. I'm sure he'll give us an explanation during the next debate.

[Thinkingabout]

45. An excuse for everything, the dog ate my homework, I accidently used invisible ink,

See, here is the blank page.

[MaggieD]

14. He's just not up to snuff on important issues

The fact that he gave short shrift to the Paris attacks and then launched into the "income inequality" thing was just a sight to behold. Made me shake my head. Even the lone Bernie supporter at my debate party was floored by that one. Of course it jibes with the news reporting right before the debate saying his campaign was having a melt down about the change to focus more on FP.

Then he doubled down on climate change being the largest security threat. Then he apparently announced that he did not know we spend much more than $60 billion on antiterrorism efforts.

Dude looked totally out of his league to me.

[misterhighwasted]

23. He IS outta his league.

That happens when you sit in the same seat for 25 yrs and make little attempt to build a sound coalition of political strength.
That's a shame.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. It wasn't ALL OF HIS STAFF ...

it was just one lowly staffer ... Per DU:Bernie.

[Cha]

35. Uh huh. Problem is.. bernie still didn't show up prepared for Paris.. thought his stump speech was

more important.

[misterhighwasted]

38. K & R

(Ahem)
Sorry, something about your statement made me laugh.
Maybe cuz I'm "touchy" or something..??

[moobu2]

34. Bernie is good at getting large crowds of college kids worked up into a frenzy

with his typical populist catch phrases and exaggerated hand gestures but he's not so good at one on one kinds of events where he has to explain his policies.

[misterhighwasted]

39. Ya, its like a frat party & you know half of them won't care once election day is here.

Bets.

[DCBob]

59. Or they will have a hangover from the pre-election party and forget it's election day.

[misterhighwasted]

60. I'm guessing it'll be exactly that.

They'll be feelin the afternoon after burn alright.
I'm sure they'll find another reason to party after election night is over.
Kids.

[TSIAS]

67. LOL!

And everyone will wonder why young voters don't turn out? You're mocking surely doesn't help.

[winter is coming]

68. Just like those college students in Ohio in '04 who stood in line for 12 hours to vote.

If you want young voters to turn out, maybe you should stop making fun of them.

[misterhighwasted]

40. Great OP. This was enlightening.

I'm off to dinner with the family..Later

[gregcrawford]

41. One half a word...

... Bull.

[MisterP]

42. "insiders were sure" of all this by 8 pm EST

meanwhile there's two candidates running who didn't vote for Iraq AND overthrow Qaddafi with proxy forces AND say that the Syrian IS facades need more arms and money--heck, they even think that those three interventions were mistakes

and don't forget about my sigline (and my damn job)

[SoapBox]

43. Really!

"Others said the self-described democratic socialist made no effort to appeal to the broader Democratic Party, and reinforced perceptions Saturday night that he is unelectable."

Sooooo....who exactly is this "broader Democratic Party"?

Oh! It must be the HRC/DWS, Entrenched Establishment, Bankster Supporting, big money and power loving , War Hawk, Third-Way Democrats!

If that is supposed to be the "broader Democratic Party" then I call bullshit.

That is the fringe Right of the Democratic Party...no thanks...it's anything but mainstream.

[blackspade]

51. "influential strategists, operatives and activists"

Yeah right.

[EEO]

54. Another hatchet job courtesy of the corporate media and Hillary's supporters.

Because the demise of the middle class will be fun...

[riversedge]

57. Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton!!...

Enjoy Madam President--she has the mojo.....



Together we will SHATTER the glass ceiling with @HillaryClinton ! @HillaryforSC #ImWithHer
8:12 PM - 14 Nov 2015 · Myrtle Beach, SC, United States

[EEO]

58. Being a woman is not a damned professional qualification.

And to boil it down to the matter of sex trivializes the issues and policy positions.

A man would be crucified for using his gender as a professional qualification to be president over a female candidate.

Yes. It would he nice to have a female president at some point, but that in itself is not one of the reasons anyone should vote for Hillary Clinton. It's absurd.

[misterhighwasted]

61. Well its a damned big deal considering what women have

..had to continuously fight just to be recognized as an equal part of the male dominated society.
Do I really have to keep repeating this?
To have as US President a woman of Hillary Clinton's qualifications is a very big deal to women who have fought for those equal rights, only to have another group of men in DC rip them away.

Women could not have a greater fighter & friend in the White House than Hillary Clinton.

Women's Rights are Human Rights Once & For All
Hillary Clinton Bejing 1995.

It is a big damn deal.
To deny it belongs in the good old boy club.
Bye

[EEO]

62. It is not a professional qualification for president.

That reasoning puts Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton in the same group.

[stevenleser]

63. Ridiculing diversity and its benefits is a great way to support your candidate, if you're Republican

Not so much if you are a Democrat/Liberal/Progressive.

[EEO]

66. That's right, continue to attack rather than defend an indefensible and flawed logic.

That sounds pretty Republican to me.

[postatomic]

65. It was bipartisan

These are the members of the POLITICO Caucus, not all of whom participated this week:

Iowa: Tim Albrecht, Brad Anderson, Rob Barron, Jeff Boeyink, Bonnie Campbell, Dave Caris, Sam Clovis, Sara Craig, Jerry Crawford, John Davis, Steve Deace, John Deeth, Derek Eadon, Ed Failor Jr., Karen Fesler, David Fischer, Doug Gross, Steve Grubbs, Tim Hagle, Bob Haus, Joe Henry, Drew Ivers, Jill June, Lori Jungling, Jeff Kaufmann, Brian Kennedy, Jake Ketzner, David Kochel, Chris Larimer, Chuck Larson, Jill Latham, Jeff Link, Dave Loebsack, Mark Lucas, Liz Mathis, Jan Michelson, Chad Olsen, David Oman, Matt Paul, Marlys Popma, Troy Price, Christopher Rants, Kim Reem, Craig Robinson, Sam Roecker, David Roederer, Nick Ryan, Tamara Scott, Joni Scotter, Karen Slifka, John Smith, AJ Spiker, Norm Sterzenbach, John Stineman, Matt Strawn, Phil Valenziano, Jessica Vanden Berg, Nate Willems, Eric Woolson, Grant Young

New Hampshire: Charlie Arlinghaus, Arnie Arnesen, Patrick Arnold, Rich Ashooh, Dean Barker, Juliana Bergeron, D.J. Bettencourt, Michael Biundo, Ray Buckley, Peter Burling, Jamie Burnett, Debby Butler, Dave Carney, Jackie Cilley, Catherine Corkery, Garth Corriveau, Fergus Cullen, Lou D’Allesandro, James Demers, Mike Dennehy, Sean Downey, Steve Duprey, JoAnn Fenton, Jennifer Frizzell, Martha Fuller Clark, Amanda Grady Sexton, Jack Heath, Gary Hirshberg, Jennifer Horn, Peter Kavanaugh, Joe Keefe, Rich Killion, Harrell Kirstein, Sylvia Larsen, Joel Maiola, Kate Malloy Corriveau, Maureen Manning, Steve Marchand, Tory Mazzola, Jim Merrill, Jayne Millerick, Claira Monier, Greg Moore, Matt Mowers, Terie Norelli, Chris Pappas, Liz Purdy, Tom Rath, Colin Reed, Jim Rubens, Andy Sanborn, Dante Scala, William Shaheen, Stefany Shaheen, Carol Shea-Porter, Terry Shumaker, Andy Smith, Craig Stevens, Kathy Sullivan, Chris Sununu, James Sununu, Jay Surdukowski, Donna Sytek, Kari Thurman, Colin Van Ostern, Deb Vanderbeek, Mike Vlacich, Ryan Williams

South Carolina: Andrew Collins, Antjuan Seawright, Barry Wynn, Bob McAlister, Boyd Brown, Brady Quirk-Garvan, Bruce Haynes, Catherine Templeton, Chad Connelly, Chip Felkel, Cindy Costa, Clay Middleton, David Wilkins, Dick Harpootlian, Donna Hicks, Drea Byars, Ed McMullen, Elizabeth Colbert-Busch, Ellen Weaver, Erin McKee, Glenn McCall, Inez Tenenbaum, Isaiah Nelson, Jaime R. Harrison, James Smith, Jason Perkey, Jay W. Ragley, Jim Hodges, Jimmy Williams, Joe Erwin, Joel Sawyer, John Brisini, Kevin Bishop, Kim Wellman, Laurin Manning, Le Frye, Luke Byars, Matt Moore, Mikee Johnson, Morgan Allison, Phil Noble, Scott Farmer, Tony Denny, Trey Walker, Tyler Jones, Walter Whetsell, Warren Tompkins, Will Folks

Nevada: Adam Khan, Andres Ramirez, Andrew Diss, Barbara Buckley, Bob Cavazos, Brendan Summers, Chip Evans, Chuck Muth, Dan Hart, Daniel Stewart, Ed Williams, Emmy Ruiz, Erven T. Nelson, Greg Bailor, Heidi Wixom, Jack St. Martin, James Smack, Jay Gertsema, Jeremy Hughes, Jim DeGraffenreid, Jon Ralston, Kristen Orthman, Laura Martin, Linda Cavazos, Lindsey Jydstrup, Mac Abrams, Mari St. Martin, Marla Turner, Megan Jones, Michael McDonald, Michelle White, Mike Slanker, Neal Patel, Nick Phillips, Oscar Goodman, Pat Hickey, Paul Smith, Pete Ernaut, Peter Koltak, Riley Sutton, Robert Uithoven, Roberta Lange, Ryan Erwin, Ryan Hamilton, Sam Lieberman, Scott Scheid, Yvanna Cancela, Zach Hudson

[SunSeeker]

55. Exactly. nt

[JTShroyer]

69. Bernie wants to repeal Obamacare -- he sounds like a Repub

Bernie wouldn't admit giving gun manufactures immunity was wrong.

Bernie has also flip-flopped on using character assassination as a political tactic.

Bernie only opposed DOMA on state's rights only. Bernie endorsed gay marriage in the 2000s. Hillary saved LGBTQ lives worldwide due to the programs and policies she enacted as Secretary of State.

Go Hillary Go!! She has the plans and proposals to build on Obama's progress.

[murielm99]

71. This post was alerted on.

You squeaked by 4-3. The Bernie supporters are trying to silence you.

[misterhighwasted]

73. [phone]. ^THIS^

Outstanding post.
Thanks

[anti partisan]

70. "Insiders" never like Bernie, and that is part of his charm