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elleng

(130,961 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:13 PM Nov 2015

Can Martin O’Malley be Democrats’ Plan B?

(Interesting point of view, even considering the source.)

'If Democrats could find a candidate to Hillary Clinton’s left domestically, without her record of foreign policy stumbles (including, from the left’s perspective, her vote for the Iraq war) and without her ethical landmines, would they grab him? Especially if the alternative were, say, 15 years younger and had some real executive experience, it might seem like a no-brainer. And so, we wonder, is it former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley’s moment?

His debate performance was not only his strongest, but also the strongest of any Clinton challenger to date. He slammed her from the right on national security (making him more difficult for Republicans to attack), but on domestic policy, he reached out to the base. He argued that “we restored voting rights to 52,000 people, we decriminalized possession of small amounts of … marijuana. I repealed the death penalty, and we also put in place a civilian review board.” On guns, he argued that he has been leading while Clinton has put her finger to the wind. “We passed comprehensive gun safety legislation, background checks, ban on assault weapons,” he said. He chided Clinton, whom he accused has “been on three sides of this. When you ran in 2000 you said that we needed federal robust regulations. Then in 2008 you were portraying yourself as Annie Oakley and saying that we don’t need those regulation on the federal level.” He twisted the knife, telling the moderator that “there’s a big difference between leading by polls and leading with principle.”

More than on substance, however, he seems stylistically to have a gift for well-placed attacks on Clinton, highlighting her weaknesses. He is not insulting or outlandish, as Donald Trump is, but O’Malley can be just as biting. MSNBC reported on O’Malley’s Sunday appearance in Ames, Iowa:

O’Malley’s tone was especially notable, as it was significantly more critical than it has been in the past, both towards Clinton and Sanders.

Speaking with reporters, O’Malley said Clinton made a “gaffe” in a “very, very distasteful way, trying to pump out a smokescreen for her coziness with the big banks of Wall Street by invoking the tragedy of 9/11 and those attacks — and especially so fresh after so many were murdered in Paris.”

And it wasn’t just Clinton whom O’Malley targeted. “I don’t believe we need to scrap capitalism and replace it with socialism, as Sen. Sanders thinks,” he said of Sanders.

On Monday, O’Malley twisted the knife again, calling her 9/11 justification for Wall Street donations “pretty shameful” and accused her of “wrapping herself in the tragedy of 9/11.”

Frankly, he reminds us a lot of Clinton — Bill Clinton. Not only is O’Malley a young man with gubernatorial experience, as Clinton had in 1992, but O’Malley is also engaging in classic “triangulating,” veering to Clinton’s left on Wall Street and to her right on terrorism (but still to the GOP’s left).

O’Malley is currently no threat to Clinton. But what if she falters, or is snared in the FBI investigation? Vice President Joe Biden is not on the ballot anywhere; O’Malley has a campaign operation. Besides, Biden is even older than Clinton and has his fingerprints all over the failed Obama foreign policy. O’Malley can disclaim responsibilities for the serial blunders.

O’Malley should hang in there, keep punching and position himself as the real backup to Clinton. Given a choice of running against the senior citizen and socialist, the failed former secretary of state or the former Maryland governor, Republicans, I am certain, would least prefer O’Malley. With O’Malley, the Democrats’ vulnerabilities shrink. Instead of playing defense, they can wage a standard war against the GOP as the party of the rich.

Democrats now may see him as a non-entity, but that is precisely why, of the three contenders, he could be most effective waging a negative campaign against the GOP. The last thing the GOP wants is to run against a young, progressive ex-governor who cannot be blamed for the Obama debacles, both foreign and domestic.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/11/16/can-martin-omalley-be-democrats-plan-b/

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Can Martin O’Malley be Democrats’ Plan B? (Original Post) elleng Nov 2015 OP
No. moobu2 Nov 2015 #1
If something tragic (heavenforbid) happened to Hillary, he'd be my pick. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #2
Thanks for the post. Andy823 Nov 2015 #3
IF he'd stop lying about Sanders (and progressives), I'd be inclined to give him a chance Armstead Nov 2015 #4
Yes -- but only if there is a major implosion of the Clinton campaign karynnj Nov 2015 #5
he would be very appealing in a ge restorefreedom Nov 2015 #6
Right, absolutely! elleng Nov 2015 #7
true, and if he picked restorefreedom Nov 2015 #10
Yes, and there are plenty to choose from. elleng Nov 2015 #12
i have no doubt he would pick a great veep. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #16
He might pick someone who's endorsed Clinton, like Sherrod Brown. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #20
i understand that strategy, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #21
O'Malley as nominee would want to appeal to Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #29
i think the ideal person restorefreedom Nov 2015 #31
While we're dreaming -- AND from an important swing state. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #33
heh. its always nice to dream :) he could be good for sure. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #41
If Hillary had to drop out for any reason, O'Malley would leapfrog Bernie in a heartbeat. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #8
Sure would. elleng Nov 2015 #11
he's my backup choice. but he'd have to be for sale for the party to magical thyme Nov 2015 #9
FYI - This writer is the WaPo's resident neocon. tritsofme Nov 2015 #13
Right, which is why I wrote 'even considering the source.' elleng Nov 2015 #15
more than just a neocon. a political hack of the worst kind onenote Nov 2015 #36
Did you READ it? elleng Nov 2015 #38
yes. and yes. onenote Nov 2015 #39
No, if something happens to Hillary they would turn to Biden. book_worm Nov 2015 #14
yes, of course bigtree Nov 2015 #17
Seems unlikely, but at this point in 2007, McCain was in the single digits at 6th place in the polls Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #18
Your Links Koinos Nov 2015 #19
The Washington Post Blog Koinos Nov 2015 #22
Have to find a pulse first.... Gloria Nov 2015 #23
Then DON'T judge like that! elleng Nov 2015 #24
ER, isn't that ALWAYS part of the equation these days? Gloria Nov 2015 #42
I would not mind Martin. bigwillq Nov 2015 #25
O'Malley is MY plan B demwing Nov 2015 #26
Bernie and Martin are pretty close in my opinion Kalidurga Nov 2015 #27
You may be right Kilgore Nov 2015 #28
I didn't write it, Kilgore, elleng Nov 2015 #30
Martin is my second choice behind Hillary. DCBob Nov 2015 #32
He's a great plan B. Wish he was for single payer.... think Nov 2015 #34
Jennifer Rubin? Really? onenote Nov 2015 #35
Yes, she was rational, imagine that! elleng Nov 2015 #37
i noticed that you knew the source was dubious. and posted anyway. onenote Nov 2015 #40

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. If something tragic (heavenforbid) happened to Hillary, he'd be my pick.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:19 PM
Nov 2015

Perhaps I'm being too hopeful, but O'Malley would be a great "Plan VP"

I'm eager to see more poll results. He's not likely to peel-away substantial numbers of votes and support from the hard-core Bernie and Hillary supporters, but it would be very interesting if he could get a lot of the current "undecided" voters. He'll probably surprise many people.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
3. Thanks for the post.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:21 PM
Nov 2015

I like it, and it may come to be, we never know what could happen. O'Malley has been pretty much shut down by the media, who still want a Clinton vs Sanders slug fest. I think O'Malley could pick up the ball of either Hillary or Bernie dropped it.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
5. Yes -- but only if there is a major implosion of the Clinton campaign
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

I don't think that would happen. (Yes, I know there are many right leaning sources on the internet hoping and praying that the FBI will recommend indicting her -- and ignoring that she was never identified as a target.) As to saying or doing something so bad that she loses a huge amount of support, it seems completely contrary to everything we know of Clinton since 1992.

At one point, I considered it could be 2004 like -- where Dean and Gephardt took each other down -- helping John Kerry. I like O'Malley and could see that if people for Clinton or Sanders had to pick a second choice -- O'Malley might be it. As HRC is so dominant, I don't see much chance that her people leave her - and many Sanders people are very enthused about their candidate and were even when he was seen as likely to get Kuchinich level numbers.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
10. true, and if he picked
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:40 PM
Nov 2015

a midwestern or southwestern left moderate, trump can fuggetaboutit. i am not a big fan of geo strategic tickets but that could be a strong one

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
16. i have no doubt he would pick a great veep.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:48 PM
Nov 2015

he has no ego that i can detect, so he would not be afraid of his veep "showing him up." he could pick someone really strong and popular.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
20. He might pick someone who's endorsed Clinton, like Sherrod Brown.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:54 PM
Nov 2015

Often the nominee picks a running mate with a view toward healing intra-party divisions.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
21. i understand that strategy,
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

but brown is not popular right now with bernie supporters for good reason.

and disillusioned bernie supporters not good for a ge

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
29. O'Malley as nominee would want to appeal to Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:46 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know whom he could pick that would cover both those bases.

The best he could do would be a Clinton endorser who's nevertheless to Clinton's left.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. i think the ideal person
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:32 PM
Nov 2015

would be someone who is left to clinton, slightly right of sanders who didn't endorse either one.

can't think of anyone but they must exist.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
33. While we're dreaming -- AND from an important swing state.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 12:09 AM
Nov 2015

Like, say, Ohio.

OK, I admit it, I like Sherrod Brown. He'd be worth considering as a running mate for any of our three contenders.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
36. more than just a neocon. a political hack of the worst kind
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:16 AM
Nov 2015

If Jennifer Rubin writes it, there's a very good chance its nonsense.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
18. Seems unlikely, but at this point in 2007, McCain was in the single digits at 6th place in the polls
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:09 PM
Nov 2015


It seems the bigger issue might be that O'Malley's campaign is perhaps to the left of Clinton's (maybe), but his record is perhaps to the right of Clinton's. Slate had an interesting article, "The Progressive Impersonator -- Martin O’Malley wants to be the liberal alternative to Hillary Clinton. It's a good strategy for an actual liberal." I like O'Malley, and I think he kicked a not-inconsiderable amount of ass in Saturday's debate, but I'm not sure I see him as a "liberal alternative" to Clinton.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
19. Your Links
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:52 PM
Nov 2015

The article from Slate appears quite biased and uninformed from my point of view. Biased opinion pieces are usually charged with inflammatory language like "Progressive Impersonator." It is "dated" (April 1) and does not reflect the reality of O'Malley's record fairly and accurately. Moreover, "On the Issues" graphs never seem to match even their own data, which is woefully incomplete in O'Malley's case. Putting O'Malley to the right of Clinton is a bit odd, from almost any perspective. That would be like putting Sanders to the right of Clinton because he has a mixed record of voting with regard to gun control.

It is better to spend one's time learning about the candidates themselves -- to read what they have done, what they have said, the policies they have laid out and implemented -- than to rely on second-hand and subjective outdated opinion pieces.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
22. The Washington Post Blog
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:08 PM
Nov 2015

I'm not sure which "Democrats" would claim ownership to "Plan B." The "powers that be" don't like him. Wall Street fears him. Many people don't know him. And the big shots with big money aren't calling him and setting up numerous superPACs. The fact that his campaign is "running on fumes" is well known. If the DNC wanted O'Malley, they would have sent more money his way and not stifled him at every turn.

But O'Malley just keeps going out there and campaigning vigorously; and he is the first to joke about his occupying "third place" in the polls and his lack of funding. He is not a rich guy. He has more debt than assets. He is running because he thinks it is the right thing to do. He believes it is a matter of principle.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
23. Have to find a pulse first....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:18 PM
Nov 2015

I never realized how ...reserved? he was? Dull? Just very little personality at all....I hate to judge like that, but
I find him very uninspiring...

elleng

(130,961 posts)
24. Then DON'T judge like that!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:23 PM
Nov 2015


'They are rejecting our values in the face of fear & ignorance. Keeping America safe and staying true to who we are is not a zero-sum choice.'

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
42. ER, isn't that ALWAYS part of the equation these days?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:58 PM
Nov 2015

Wasn't it part of the Obama campaign? The media is all over it...strong, weak, etc. etc.

To me, he is very flat...it's a valid observation given the way our elections work.....

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
26. O'Malley is MY plan B
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

Can't say what the party bosses think, but I don't give a damn what they say anyway. The "Party" clearly wants to move to the center, and is willing to negotiate with our financial future. It's these types of actions that will send progressives off to find/form a third party, which holds potential for disaster.

O'Malley doesn't seem the party centrist type...which, to me, is part of his appeal.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
27. Bernie and Martin are pretty close in my opinion
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

I think they make a great team. I am not paying much attention to the bickering between them it's a campaign they are supposed to do that. I think Bernie is more on fire to take down the 1% so that is why he gets the edge for me. But, if something imploded Hillary's campaign and O'Malley took the majority of her support, I would not upset me in the slightest. He is a good choice.

elleng

(130,961 posts)
37. Yes, she was rational, imagine that!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:17 AM
Nov 2015

Did you notice I wrote, in the OP: '(Interesting point of view, even considering the source.)' ?

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