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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:01 PM Nov 2015

The Second Democratic Debate Winner Was Bernie Sanders

Well, there's this

The Second Democratic Debate Winner Was Bernie Sanders
http://www.bustle.com/articles/123712-the-second-democratic-debate-winner-was-bernie-sanders

And that's really why what happened tonight was so impressive. Despite facing long odds, and a news cycle that'd been dominated by terrorism heading into the debate — an issue not very in-line with his core economic justice platform, and surely a spot of greater experience for Clinton — Bernie Sanders walked away the winner of the second Democratic presidential debate, scoring some raw hits against Clinton's Wall Street coziness, and speaking authoritatively and expansively about ISIS, the Middle East,

The very nature of the debate ended up changing late in the game — CBS ultimately decided to front-load questions about terrorism, in light of the attacks in Paris, France the night before, which left 129 people dead, including at least one American. This was easily foreseeable as a big advantage for Clinton — given her years as Secretary of State, and given Sanders' heavy reliance on his domestic policy agenda, it theoretically gave her a chance to come out swinging early on an area of deep career experience.

But she might not have expected Sanders to perform quite as formidably as he did. Despite initially pivoting away from ISIS back to economics during his opening statement, Sanders capably attacked Clinton for her past vote to authorize the war in Iraq, which he characterized as the necessary precursor to ISIS' rise in the Middle East. He also set her on her heels on the topic of her huge amount of Wall Street contributions, as Business Insider detailed, suggesting that her explanations about her large amount of Wall Street campaign contributions are "not good enough," and arguing that it's no coincidence why the financial industry prefers her over him.



All in all, it was a red-letter night for Sanders. The only true test is whether it helps him out with early-primary states, and that'll be borne out by polls in the coming days and weeks. But on the strength of his overall performance, and the authoritativeness he showed even outside of his core area of economic justice, he definitely ought to get a little bump.

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The Second Democratic Debate Winner Was Bernie Sanders (Original Post) pinebox Nov 2015 OP
K&R nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #1
K&R..... daleanime Nov 2015 #2
Since the format is not a real debate fasttense Nov 2015 #3
Bernie did great zentrum Nov 2015 #4
K/R!!!! LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #5
Weren't we told last week that Hillary won last night's debate? sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #6
even the WaPo's jaw was agape MisterP Nov 2015 #7
They are very out of touch with the people. All polls show that the American people sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #9
Yep. Hillary is toast. Helen Borg Nov 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #13
And they didn't even ask about capital punishment. SoapBox Nov 2015 #14
Sabrina -- Great points! Akamai Nov 2015 #19
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Nov 2015 #8
Is your bug on steroids? cui bono Nov 2015 #23
A Better Bug - Right Click On The Bug - To Copy The Image Link - Then Paste In One's Sig Line cantbeserious Nov 2015 #25
Is this one immune to swatters and spray cans? cui bono Nov 2015 #26
Chuckles - Maybe Not - However The Nuisance Is Greater - The Spray Cans Could Run Dry cantbeserious Nov 2015 #27
Little bump? SmittynMo Nov 2015 #10
Good to know. nt LWolf Nov 2015 #12
Count down to new products available on the net... SoapBox Nov 2015 #15
"War, Gender and 9/11" cui bono Nov 2015 #24
Objective minds Plucketeer Nov 2015 #16
"According to Bustle dot com" JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #17
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #18
following the debate last night, I made another contribution to Bernie! He did GREAT!!! Akamai Nov 2015 #20
K&R for Bernie!! secondwind Nov 2015 #21
bernie didn't win misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #22
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
3. Since the format is not a real debate
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:48 PM
Nov 2015

There really isn't a winner or loser. But good to hear Bernie answered questions truthfully and intelligently.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
4. Bernie did great
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

…..and he's my guy but I have to say that O'Malley did well too. Between the two of them, HRC really was exposed.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. Weren't we told last week that Hillary won last night's debate?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015

Just checking! We the people don't really have much say, it appears. The Corp media decides, alone, who wins these debates, so far the people and the Corp Media are miles apart on the winner of both debates.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
7. even the WaPo's jaw was agape
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:55 PM
Nov 2015

with Iraq, Libya, Syria, AND Honduras I'm surprised she even agreed to foreign-policy questions

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. They are very out of touch with the people. All polls show that the American people
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

do not view 'terror' as important in their lives. One of the biggest issues in recent polls is getting the money out of politics.

I guess those in power are still hoping to use 9/11, 15 years later, AFTER we have seen the results of the supposed WOT, to bolster their ratings.

They are living in a huge bubble, ignoring the effects of Wall St corruption on ordinary people, still living in the glow of being able to manipulate the people using a terrible tragedy to do so. I guess they are puzzled when it falls flat and they are asked questions about their Wall St donors, which they answer with '9/11' .

Response to Helen Borg (Reply #11)

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
14. And they didn't even ask about capital punishment.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:56 PM
Nov 2015

If she had to state her, Yes I'm in favor of it, stance, that would have really pushed her over the edge.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
19. Sabrina -- Great points!
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

The TV machine has certainly been hyping up this attack in Paris. Tom Hartman calls this kind of thing, "disaster porn." The media wants to explore all the fear and horror that people experience, this so we will also be fearful and horrified, and products will be sold.

I really did like Bernie on "Face the Nation" with John Dickerson this morning. He explained how global weather change brings about such events, pointing out that because of the lack of rain and other resources, people crowd into cities and are there with our jobs, without hope. At that point, they can succumb more readily to the radicalizing propaganda.

I don't know anyone who is bringing this important truth to the national stage besides Bernie. I don't believe that Hillary has mentioned the role of global weather change in world events.

It is ridiculous to believe that we should be able to prevent all terroristic attacks. Peter Ustinov once observed, "War is what large countries use to wage terrorism, and terrorism is what small countries use to wage war."

We should remind ourselves that 520,000 Americans die every year in this country, from smoking-related issues. Now that is real harm on a grand scale!

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
8. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

eom

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
15. Count down to new products available on the net...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:57 PM
Nov 2015

Not Good Enough Hillary!



I would like a bumper sticker.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
17. "According to Bustle dot com"
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

I went there to read some of the other hard hitting political commentary and got the opportunity to hear Britney Spears latest single, discover new satisfying sex positions for women, and what to do when my partner is "lacking".

That was about it, but the pundit that called the debate did so with a caveat that the "winner is the one who rises in the polls post-debate", so if Sanders gains points next week he's correct. If not, they can go back to "reporting" on the top ten make-up secrets of the stars.

BTW... They did also feature this cover story on their home page, but what do they know?:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/123963-voters-think-hillary-clinton-won-the-second-democratic-debate-with-her-commitment-to-national-security

Voters Think Hillary Clinton Won The Second Democratic Debate With Her Commitment to National Security

Even though Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley hammered former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on her ties to Wall Street and big banks, voters still thought Clinton won the Democratic debate Saturday night, according to Public Policy Polling. Politico said O'Malley held his own in the debate for the first time, but, unfortunately, it might be too late for him to surpass Clinton or Sanders in the polls. Sanders gained more Twitter followers during the debate than Clinton and O'Malley combined, but voters still believed that Clinton was stronger on certain issues, according to CNBC.
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