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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:36 PM Nov 2015

Why Hillary Clinton just became an even bigger front-runner





Hillary Clinton had a bad moment at Saturday night's Democratic presidential debate when she cited her work helping Wall Street recover from the Sept. 11 attacks for the support she has received from big financial interests.

Otherwise, though, there is basically no reason to believe that she did anything to hurt her status as the clear front-runner for the Democratic nomination. And a survey conducted after the debate backs that up.

The CBS News Knowledge Panel poll of Democrats and independents who watched the debate shows that 51 percent viewed Clinton as the winner. Twenty-eight percent said Bernie Sanders won, and 7 percent said Martin O'Malley won. Those numbers — probably not coincidentally — closely mirror where the national poll numbers are right now. In other words, it seems likely that Clinton supporters thought she won and Sanders supporters thought he won. Little changed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/15/why-hillary-clinton-just-became-an-even-bigger-front-runner/
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Why Hillary Clinton just became an even bigger front-runner (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 OP
Six Questions cantbeserious Nov 2015 #1
I lost one hand in an accident and can consequently only count to five. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #2
Sorry To Learn That Mental Capacities Were Compromised In That Tragedy cantbeserious Nov 2015 #5
That was the other accident... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #9
Well - One Recognizes The Word Six - Yet One Is Unable To Count To Six - Puzzled cantbeserious Nov 2015 #10
Allow me to help kristopher Nov 2015 #42
You really can't be serious if you didn't get answers to those questions from the debate last night. MADem Nov 2015 #19
Bigger they come the harder they fall Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #3
That title could be a double entendre. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #6
A mutiny of preverts!? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #8
These articles are ridiculously over the top in their insistence that nothing is wrong. reformist2 Nov 2015 #4
She kicks ass when it comes to foreign policy matters--no one can touch her. MADem Nov 2015 #7
I will never understand why SBS couldn't confine his opening statement to the Paris tragedy. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #11
one only has so many seconds to insert cut and paste remarks from one's stump speech nt msongs Nov 2015 #12
I guess his aide who "pitched a fit" knew his candidate. I think he's resistant to change. MADem Nov 2015 #13
He really suffers from "the soft bigotry of low expectations" DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #15
He's been treated with kid gloves to this point. MADem Nov 2015 #16
Bernie enid602 Nov 2015 #24
He said it was a crisis because he had to alter the bill to get it passed DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #25
He really... MrWendel Nov 2015 #28
Isn't that what Senators do as part of being a Senator?-That was what I thought as I listened riversedge Nov 2015 #39
She gave the most complete, detailed answers of all three. Her intelligence and knowdlege blows me lunamagica Nov 2015 #14
I'll tell you--some of that "generic Muslim" -- and at one point, pronounced MOOSE - lim -- MADem Nov 2015 #17
Jordan is really a stalwart ally... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #27
Jordan has been decent--but not a pushover, either. I can appreciate their challenges. MADem Nov 2015 #31
I still can not believe SBS believes Arabs are an homogenous mass... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #36
Sweetie you are on a roll Iliyah Nov 2015 #18
I just voted for Hillary in a on-line poll ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #20
K&R RandySF Nov 2015 #21
The knowledge panel must have been hallucinating then Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #22
Because she's put on weight ? John Poet Nov 2015 #23
300,000 unemployed comics and that's the best you can do. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #26
Really--what a lame 'joke.' You've got to try the "fat shaming" routine to try to hit home? MADem Nov 2015 #33
I sent an alert and it was already alerted on and allowed to stand 4-3. But, it still goes to the Cha Nov 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author John Poet Nov 2015 #41
There is going to be a BIG surprise, come voting day... SoapBox Nov 2015 #29
You didn't respond the first time, Mr. or Ms. Box. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #32
The unstoppable train....with the biggest and fullest baggage car. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #30
That's what was said about Hillary's Tuzla story. rocktivity Nov 2015 #34
Where are all of DU2s archives? Is that Level 4 warning just something that automatically updates nc4bo Nov 2015 #43
"Knowledge Panel poll"??? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #35
Spot on. riversedge Nov 2015 #40
The Wall Street Journal poll tells a different story. Bernie won the WSJ poll 46-32. Bernblu Nov 2015 #37

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
9. That was the other accident...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:44 PM
Nov 2015

I was in a car accident where I wasn't wearing seat belts and was consequently thrown three hundred feet. I don't believe it is very empathetic of you to draw attention to that tragedy.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
42. Allow me to help
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:21 PM
Nov 2015
Unlike some that appear to vote based on

- polls, or
- personality, or
- party loyalty, or
- gender,

this voter expects a candidate to win a vote based on issues and position.

The six questions HRC needs to answer to win this vote - yes or no:

1) HRC, will you reduce US military spending by 10% each year of your first term?
2) HRC, will you reign in Wall Street power by reinstating Glass-Steagall?
3) HRC, will you break up too big to fail big-banks?
4) HRC, will you actively support repeal of Citizen's United?
5) HRC, will you denounce the TPP and work to repeal the legislation?
6) HRC, will you use the bully pulpit to support and lobby for single-payer health care?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251812060

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. You really can't be serious if you didn't get answers to those questions from the debate last night.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:13 PM
Nov 2015

You might not like all the answers, but she clearly addressed all those issues.

Pay better attention.

Oh, and learn the difference between "reign" and "rein."

So, I guess, gee you won't be voting for her.

But I've a feeling if she answered every question the way you wanted, came over to your house and cleaned it, made your supper, and walked your dog, it still wouldn't be enough.

Can't win 'em all--especially the ones who aren't at all serious! And who stomp and demand answers from "Camp Hillary" rather than opening the old ears and LISTENING to the candidate herself address all those issues on the tee vee...



Oh my....it certainly does "bern!"

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. I guess his aide who "pitched a fit" knew his candidate. I think he's resistant to change.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:51 PM
Nov 2015

It's one thing to be consistent, it's another thing to have trouble adapting in a crisis.

That's the impression I was left with when he raced through his "So Sad Paris" to rush into his stump speech excerpt.

I found it off-putting.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
15. He really suffers from "the soft bigotry of low expectations"
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:59 PM
Nov 2015

If Hillary did that she would have been lambasted by the media. Look at the spin on her innocuous 9-11 comments.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. He's been treated with kid gloves to this point.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:01 PM
Nov 2015

Were this a general contest, he'd be so raked over the coals he'd need some barbecue sauce to finish his ensemble!

enid602

(8,652 posts)
24. Bernie
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:58 PM
Nov 2015

Or on the very last question, where they asked him what his response to a crisis like the Paris attacks would be. He just rambled on about his work with veterans benefits, like the question was never asked. Pitiful.

riversedge

(70,304 posts)
39. Isn't that what Senators do as part of being a Senator?-That was what I thought as I listened
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:59 AM
Nov 2015

to his response. Legislate--put bills out---negotiate, compromise etc with others include across the isle to a bill into law (well , the tea-baqggers have shown us they think not)

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
14. She gave the most complete, detailed answers of all three. Her intelligence and knowdlege blows me
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:57 PM
Nov 2015

away.

She would never say "All those Muslim countries" and paint them with a broad brush. She knows their differences and uniqueness.

I was reminded when people talk about "Latin American countries" Like if it was a monolithic place, when there are so many differences in culture, music, food...


But some don't seem to get that. They only have a broad brush for everyone.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I'll tell you--some of that "generic Muslim" -- and at one point, pronounced MOOSE - lim --
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:05 PM
Nov 2015

stuff set my teeth on edge. He might have been trying for a more correct pronunciation, but it came off as a bit mock-ish, to my ear.

There's a hairline difference between that kind of verbiage and the shit Jeb! spouted on MTP this morning.

Were it not for the fact that a bunch of terrorists (who were Moose-lim, per BS) shot up Paris yesterday, I think there would be more pushback over his choice of words and his phrasing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
27. Jordan is really a stalwart ally...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:29 PM
Nov 2015

And let's not forget their peace treaty with Israel despite having a majority Palestinian population.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Jordan has been decent--but not a pushover, either. I can appreciate their challenges.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

What they could use is serious money to make that massive refugee camp just inside the border liveable. They're overrun, and they aren't getting nearly enough international help.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
36. I still can not believe SBS believes Arabs are an homogenous mass...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:54 PM
Nov 2015

Did he throw Iran in for good measure? I don't remember. I hope he knows they aren't Arabs.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
20. I just voted for Hillary in a on-line poll
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:16 PM
Nov 2015

10 times. She's still behind though, if I wasn't at work, and if I cared more I'd be all over that

Great article!

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
23. Because she's put on weight ?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:57 PM
Nov 2015

It's probably "not nice" for you to notice that, and worse to post about it.


Even if it's because of 9-11.



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
26. 300,000 unemployed comics and that's the best you can do.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:17 PM
Nov 2015
Because she's put on weight ?



300,000 unemployed comics and that's the best you can do?






#lol@me

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. Really--what a lame 'joke.' You've got to try the "fat shaming" routine to try to hit home?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:47 PM
Nov 2015

You do realize that when you go there in that way, with the snark, the sexism is coming from you.

Dreadful judgment, that.

Cha

(297,665 posts)
38. I sent an alert and it was already alerted on and allowed to stand 4-3. But, it still goes to the
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:14 AM
Nov 2015

Admin..

"Because she's put on weight ?".. in answer to the OP's "Why Hillary Clinton just became an even bigger front-runner". Really.. that's their insult. An attempt at Fat Shaming? And, tells the OP it's "..not nice for him to notice it and post about it.." Shameful some have to resort to this. Please hide."

Response to Cha (Reply #38)

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
29. There is going to be a BIG surprise, come voting day...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:41 PM
Nov 2015

When she loses...again.

Although, not a surprise to Berners.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
32. You didn't respond the first time, Mr. or Ms. Box.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:45 PM
Nov 2015

If HRC wins the general I will donate the $500.00 I won from the person who takes my wager to charity. I am not interested in filthy lucre or pecuniary gain. If someone takes my wager and I lose I will give $500.00 to him or her to do with as he or she pleases.


nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
43. Where are all of DU2s archives? Is that Level 4 warning just something that automatically updates
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:21 PM
Nov 2015

to present date?

Dang......Followed your links and thought I'd hang around and reminiscence about the "good ole days" only to find most content unavailable.....boo

Oh yes - nearly forgot - nice links.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
37. The Wall Street Journal poll tells a different story. Bernie won the WSJ poll 46-32.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:51 AM
Nov 2015

Polls are all over the place. Let's wait until people actually vote before we hold the coronation.

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