hillary clearly lost this debate..

[DianeK]

where are all her staunch supporters now? fair weather friends, i guess

[ismnotwasm]

1. Hillary clearly won this debate

Feel better?

[berni_mccoy]

3. She lost. You can't win and be against glass steagall

[ismnotwasm]

6. ????

[berni_mccoy]

10. Read the transcript. She said it clearly

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. lol...are you not paying attention?

Go look up Krugman's article about it...remember the award winning economist.

Sanders does not even know the difference between the banks and the hedge funds that helped Bush cause the recession.

[berni_mccoy]

11. Krugman would never say what Clinton said tonight

She's done

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. Yes...he did actually

Where have you been?

[CoffeeCat]

29. I agree with you...

You can't win the Democratic nomination and be against Glass Steagall.

The bull she said about "wanting to do even more!" is the oldest political trick in history.

Bernie clearly hammered home the point that Hillary takes SuperPAC funds and money from Wall Street--and this is related to her being against reinstating Glass Steagall.

I mean seriously...there are Republicans who are for reinstating Glass Steagall.

She's confirmed what many all ready know--that Hillary Clinton is beholden to the corporations and that she is a politician who will serve powerful interests--including Wall Street and do absolutely nothing to break up those banks and make meaningful change in this area.

I think Clinton apologists are totally in denial about how devastating this was for her tonight.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. No objective observer could possibly argue Hillary won that debate. Bernie cleaned her clock on every issue.

Go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Hoyt]

46. You can if you are for something better than the decades old GS.

[Cha]

48. Thank you, Hoyt.

[RBInMaine]

49. She has said over and again that she supports a plan well beyond Glass Steagall.

[earthside]

12. That so many Hillary DUers are giving this to O'Malley ...

... is all the evidence you need that she lost tonight.

Hey ... it's okay, everybody gets tired sometimes and goes off their game.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. I thought M'OM had a good night...but Bernie completely dominated the debate.

Hillary came in dead last. She looked half asleep and seemed to just dial it in.

Go Bernie Go!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[RBInMaine]

50. What planet were you on? Keep dreaming.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Planet Bernie...where the air is clean to breathe, free of climate change, as well as Wall Street corporatists and angry warmongers.

The political revolution has started!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Agschmid]

2. We are right here...

We've been here all night.

[MrWendel]

4. Well...

I was over reading this...

Democratic Voters Overwhelmingly Think Clinton Won Debate; Particularly Strong on National Security Issues
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/11/democratic-voters-overwhelmingly-think-clinton-won-debate-particularly-strong-on-national-security-i.html

So thats where I was. Sorry I was late.

[Historic NY]

13. I saw that too...

[jeff47]

15. Make sure you read the full report. It includes this gem:

This research was conducted on behalf of Correct The Record.

[Hepburn]

28. Hillary Clinton Super PAC...yeah, a REAL neutral source!

[CoffeeCat]

30. Yes, and that trumped up poll was released so quickly...

...in an effort to spin it in her direction.

I think Hillary realizes that she needs to attempt to do some damage control.

What a joke that this poll is most likely tainted.

So typical though.

It's all smoke and mirrors with her. She did this in 08 too. She thinks that if everyone *believes* that she is winning and that she is "inevitable* that she'll just win.

What a joke. Iowans didn't go for this in 2008, and they won't in 2016 either.

[Juicy_Bellows]

32. Yes, the quickness shows the true farce of it.

Unbridled horseshit.

[MrWendel]

62. So this poll from PPP is wrong because...

the people that made it failed to "Feel the Bern"?

[TM99]

52. Bought and paid for by her coordinating Super PAC.

Thanks to that internet only loophole, they are skirting the illegalities.

Keep bouncing that pom pom.

[Bread and Circus]

5. Hillary sounded like a moderate Republican half the time.

[Hepburn]

7. And a conservative the other half.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. You beat me to it!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. Yes, it was so painfully obvious...I almost felt sorry for Hillary tonight...almost.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[SwampG8r]

41. What a bogus ass hide

Most innocuous statement ever and it gets an over the top hide?
They must be over in the batcave coordinating alerts again

[RiverLover]

51. Yep

MMMom's post didn't violate the rules, but the jury did.

[mythology]

58. You think referring to Democrats as sorority house staff is innocous?

Interesting. I didn't alert on it, but I think the hide was more than justified.

[dlwickham]

14. right here

[Fearless]

17. The six of them are posting like crazy, believe me.

[artislife]

20. *chortle nt

[MissDeeds]

21. Good one!

[berni_mccoy]

27. Lols

[CoffeeCat]

31. Ha! I call them The Peanut Gallery. (nt)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. She didn't do so well when she hasn't rehearsed

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

25. Yup, Hillary clung desperately and robotically to her talking points, even when they had nothing to do with the question, like a Titanic survivor to a life preserver.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[CoffeeCat]

33. She seemed angry and thrown...

She did very well at first. She seemed to take the "I'll look Presidential" tactic, by acting stoic and measured. However, that very quickly fell apart when Sanders really went after her.

I think it threw off her prepared schtick.

"Hey! I was playing the role of commander-in-chief and now you've made me go off script!"

I thought Hillary actually did ok. And she had moments where she did some off well. However, this was Bernie's night for sure. Not just because he did well (and he did), but she seemed to be thrown off kilter and seemed to falter quite a few times.

When Bernie put the screws to her about kow towing to Wall Street and she answered with a faux patriotic, pseudo-angry response about 9/11--it was all over for her. That was stupid.

I imagine that wasn't planned. It was...a horrible response. To use 9/11 that like was the low moment of the debate for her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Yes, I thought the 9/11 excuse for Hillary's Wall Street corporatist ways was a huge error that will haunt her the rest of the campaign.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[CoffeeCat]

38. It reminded me of how Dick Cheney....

...used to try and scare everyone into voting for Republicans--because of 9/11. As if talking about 9/11 automatically makes our eyes glaze over and we lose our ability to think rationally.

Cheney would use 9/11 and the issue of terrorism to incite whatever emotion or deflection he was seeking.

It was always disheartening to see Cheney, and other Republicans, engage in these pathetic tactics--but it's especially jarring to see one of our own Democrats do this.

Stupid remark by Hillary, for sure.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Hillary has made many stupid remarks, but, as you say CoffeeCat, this one is particularly inane...

It didn't even make sense, the connection Hillary was drawing between Wall Street and 9/11...as if she can't help but fill her campaign coffers with dirty money because of that tragedy.

But, not to worry, Hillary will tell her Wall Street buddies to "cut it out!" No doubt, those fat cats are shakin in their Gucci loafers over that one!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
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[NanceGreggs]

26. We're busy celebrating ..

... another debate win for Hillary!!!

[EndElectoral]

34. Answers like 60% of my contributions come from individuals is exactly the kind of answer I expected

Then she goes through demographic groups naming women, African Americans, seniors, etc.

Now 100% of Bernie's donations came from individuals.

So where did the other 40% of Hilary's donations come from? Corporate donors, perhaps?

What amazed me is that people applauded this canned line of hers that 60% came from individuals, essentially meaning that 40% actually did NOT come from individuals, plus her multiple SuperPACS.

Her top donors are Wall Street Banking firms, and she became indignant about Bernie attacking her integrity? He was attacking her receiving funds from the same people she is saying she'll get tough with. Bernie was saying these people don't donate out of their goodness of their heart, but want something, access, and it makes it harder to regulate the same people who paid to get you elected.

The faux outrage by Clinton at that moment and the diversion about her integrity belied the biggest contributors to her campaign, and illustrated a very salient point that Clinton attempted to misdirect.

[Lil Missy]

36. Hillary clearly won the debate, although all 3 did well.

[pinebox]

39. so,.....

the person with "Be kind. Don't Judge." as their sig says...' Lol! She mopped the floor with that doddering old fool'.
Legit.

[Beausoir]

40. That's all you got? No facts to refute? Figures.

[pinebox]

43. you want facts

here's a shit ton http://www.democraticunderground.com/~pinebox have fun.

[Rob H.]

64. Nice sig line you have there

even though you apparently don't live by your own words.

[Juicy_Bellows]

44. Sound observations.

Those that have chimed in with HRC clearly won the debate are? Empirically, it's impossible to say definitively but good gravy you've got to be really warped to think she won that debate.

I mean if we can't even try to be objective what the fuck is the point of posting here? Again, I have my biases sure, but I would like to think I can and would concede when things are clear.

Is it that difficult to say "As a HRC supporter she slipped a few times tonight and made a bad gaffe with the 9/11 comment - it wasn't her finest showing but I still support her."

[Bluenorthwest]

56. Like so many of Hillary supporter's posts, it was just mean and nasty. Devoid of fact, it was just

negative characterization of a Democratic candidate. Mudslingers are not my allies. Mudslinging is done by those who don't have a fact or bit of reason to employ, bereft of intellectually sound arguments they insult, denigrate and demean.

[askew]

42. She gave a 3 minute speech at post-debate party and mentioned debate just once

which is a huge contrast with what she did after the Nevada debate. She knows she lost that debate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Res ipsa loquitur

Bernie Sanders had the weakest night of the three Democrats onstage at Saturday night’s debate.
That’s according to a survey of the POLITICO Caucus, a bipartisan group of influential strategists, operatives and activists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, who weighed in immediately following the second Democratic primary debate.

Nearly half of Democrats surveyed said the Vermont senator lost the debate, and only 10 percent of Democrats said he won. Those insiders who said Sanders had the worst night argued that he appeared out of his depth on foreign policy a day after terrorist attacks rocked France. He spent just a few seconds addressing the matter in his opening statement before pivoting to his familiar pitch about the economy, in stark contrast to rival Hillary Clinton, a former secretary of state who devoted her entire statement to the Paris attacks.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/insiders-bad-night-for-bernie-215901#ixzz3rZMzdqHD

Democratic Voters Overwhelmingly Think Clinton Won Debate; Particularly Strong on National Security Issues

A Public Policy Polling survey of Democratic primary voters nationally who watched tonight’s debate finds that it reinforced Hillary Clinton’s front runner status. Viewers overwhelmingly think she won the debate, and particularly trust her over the rest of the Democratic field when it comes to issues of national security.

Key findings from the survey include:

-67% of voters think Clinton won the debate, to 20% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O’Malley. On a related note 63% of viewers said the debate gave them a more positive opinion of Clinton, compared to 41% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of Sanders, and 37% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of O’Malley.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/

Iowa Focus Group: Among 33 undecided Iowans, HRC clearly wins debate by 23 to 10, and moves 11 undecided to her camp versus 3 for Sanders.

https://twitter.com/ChrisKofinis/status/665752437391659014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Bluenorthwest]

57. Citing that PPP poll is like citing Aesop's fables to assert that animals really do talk.

nt

[MrWendel]

63. Like I mentioned above...

Sanders supporters think any poll that shows favor to Clinton is wrong because they all fail to "Feel the Burn!!!"

[Sheepshank]

59. You've got to be kidding, right? Nt

[Bobbie Jo]

60. Wut?

You guys are cracking me up.

[Todays_Illusion]

61. The tradegy in France was forced into the debate and caused Hillary to show her true

commitment to that big wealth enhancing war machine.

[Cheese Sandwich]

65. She had some good parts but overall she did lose.

[leftofcool]

66. Well Democrats didn't think so but nice try.

[Hepburn]

67. I'm a Democrat and I thought she clearly lost.

The 9/11 statements...OMG!