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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:58 PM Nov 2015

1. Sanders 2. O'Malley 3. Clinton


Hillary started out strong, but couldn't withstand the tag-teaming by Sanders and O'Malley on several issues. By the end of the debate, Hillary was "on the ropes." Her worst moment (by far) was when she invoked 9/11! and women! to distract from the idea that she may be compromised by all those Wall Street donations.
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1. Sanders 2. O'Malley 3. Clinton (Original Post) reformist2 Nov 2015 OP
CBS did a good job. nt valerief Nov 2015 #1
Agree. 840high Nov 2015 #2
Agreed. Fearless Nov 2015 #3
yes. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #4
I agreed with this Robbins Nov 2015 #5
Agree. azmom Nov 2015 #6
I thought it was a good debate, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #7
I do agree with that. I even warmed to Hillary, just a little. reformist2 Nov 2015 #12
Weird... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #43
Been feeling that way since Thespian2 Nov 2015 #63
There with you. nt malokvale77 Nov 2015 #66
I know. I feel sad to think that. Can't help it. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #80
I remember the 90s XemaSab Nov 2015 #103
And THAT is exactly WHY DWS/DNC are limiting the few debates bvar22 Nov 2015 #95
Same here MissDeeds Nov 2015 #98
Agreed. All way better than the GOPpers relayerbob Nov 2015 #62
I concur! in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #8
You cant be surprised. The gender card is all HERS; she's gonna play it!! 7962 Nov 2015 #114
Can't decide which of her responses to Wall Street influence peddling was worse. pa28 Nov 2015 #9
She lost her composure several times JimDandy Nov 2015 #10
Boy did she. passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #30
And Bernie mentioned "shouting" floriduck Nov 2015 #90
She was visibly rolling her eyes and glaring at O'Malley. Bad form. askew Nov 2015 #76
Yes, that was the worst incident. Reminiscent of cartoons JimDandy Nov 2015 #78
That kind of eye rolling, glaring, etc. cost her dearly in debates against Obama. askew Nov 2015 #79
That seems to be a habit. She even did that during the hearings 7962 Nov 2015 #115
Exactly. O'Malley and Sanders need to exploit this weakness. Get her to lose her temper askew Nov 2015 #120
I agree! But Sanders has been SO reluctant to really press her. 7962 Nov 2015 #122
That's one of the reasons I think Sanders has already reached his peak in polling. askew Nov 2015 #123
I agree. 7962 Nov 2015 #125
Haven't found many polls Jarqui Nov 2015 #11
So what? Sanders won all the polls last debate, MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #16
Correction: he won non-scientific focus groups and online surveys. pnwmom Nov 2015 #22
How do we know? LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #51
We were talking about the first debate -- not this one. It's too early to see any polls pnwmom Nov 2015 #55
Play nice, Manny. Quackers Nov 2015 #67
Thanks for these and welcome to DU. Catherina Nov 2015 #24
Go Bernie!!!! MissDeeds Nov 2015 #38
I'm surprised O'Malley's number don't look better dflprincess Nov 2015 #56
Awesome, 'smoked' is right! appalachiablue Nov 2015 #69
Far out! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #81
Agree. Duval Nov 2015 #13
Last place SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #14
I agree UglyGreed Nov 2015 #15
Yup. Agreed nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #17
According to CBS (reported near the end of the debate), she received her HIGHEST spike in approval spooky3 Nov 2015 #18
I can't see how people can defend that Robbins Nov 2015 #23
Yes. It's called geting cheap applause. And it's what those boob-o-meters measure best. reformist2 Nov 2015 #28
In "approval" or social media mentions? Catherina Nov 2015 #29
No kidding? malokvale77 Nov 2015 #61
Worst Moment.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #54
It always pisses me off passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #91
To be technical, if you are referring to the Twitter spike they talked about, Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #58
I think they said those spikes were 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #105
By far, the best yet SmittynMo Nov 2015 #19
I tend to agree Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #20
Her complaint about the insult to her integrity rang more than a bit hollow. nt kristopher Nov 2015 #52
She would have to have integrity... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #64
And yet ejbr Nov 2015 #21
No, Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #27
From your mouth ejbr Nov 2015 #31
I won't accept any false gods. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #35
? FSM n/t ejbr Nov 2015 #37
Flying spaghetti monster. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #40
Ha! ejbr Nov 2015 #41
Flying Spaghetti Monster redwitch Nov 2015 #42
And His spicey meatballs. snort Nov 2015 #48
R'amen, R'amen. Weidman Nov 2015 #53
Flying Spaghetti Monster.... daleanime Nov 2015 #44
Through his noodly appendages, Ramen. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #82
Supported Wall Street 'cause 9/11. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #25
Worst Moment.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #57
No, I think that was a brief moment of truth from her. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #59
Fair Point! LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #77
Fucking A... And, HOW could you tell she was disingenuous at that point? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #26
Hell yes, she is compromised. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #32
This was Hillary at the debate tonight... n8dogg83 Nov 2015 #33
This pretty much nails it. jalan48 Nov 2015 #46
Don't forget women passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #92
Hillary's Wall Street Response gordyfl Nov 2015 #65
She was freaking awful. At times, she seemed lost and kind of pissed off. Vattel Nov 2015 #34
trying to scare people by saying that Sanders wants to get rid of Medicare passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #93
DWS is likely Plucketeer Nov 2015 #36
She did the old Bush / Republican tactic! Invoke 9/11! AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #39
she uses a lot of the republican 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #106
Agreed. zentrum Nov 2015 #45
The unofficial results are in from my household and Bernie is the clearcut winner! jalan48 Nov 2015 #47
Her Behavior Is Pathetic billhicks76 Nov 2015 #49
Hey I'm for Bernie but Hillary still better than any repub bjobotts Nov 2015 #68
I really wish I could believe that. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #83
The Question Is The Answer billhicks76 Nov 2015 #85
You said it! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #86
Hillary: Better than a republican! 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #108
Affirm!!! LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #50
Hillary Better - First Time Around gordyfl Nov 2015 #60
Every candidate has to eventually accept corporate money. JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #70
Bernie doesn't need private jet money. fbc Nov 2015 #72
This is only the primary JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #88
Just wait passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #94
Well, if you say so JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #97
Money doesn't always beat votes passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #99
Just like how Occupy Wall Street took down Bank of America? JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #100
Not enough people behind Ralph Nader passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #102
I don't think he hopes for 750,000 donors. 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #107
So all is lost?? Is that what your point is? We are slaves to corp-America so learn rhett o rick Nov 2015 #113
We need campaign finance reform. JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #116
A wonderfully civil thread and discussion on the debate. Duckfan Nov 2015 #71
HAHA! Sure. Beausoir Nov 2015 #73
O'Malley was clear winner to me with the least amount of airtime. askew Nov 2015 #74
At one point they apologized to O'Malley for going to commercial and Hillary laughed.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #75
Hillary involking 911... thats funny polynomial Nov 2015 #84
And soon will come the vomit-inducing polls showing it was actually a tie... reformist2 Nov 2015 #87
It was a good debate, albeit held on a Saturday night during football season... PatrickforO Nov 2015 #89
The scheduling was a debacle Auggie Nov 2015 #96
I'm quite sure she was not prepped on that particular line of questioning. Before Bernie, who NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #101
Apparently some people didn't see the same debate. ..nt joeybee12 Nov 2015 #104
The third way takes third? Appropriate. nt silvershadow Nov 2015 #109
Absolutely! Owl Nov 2015 #110
she disgusted me in the 1st hour stupidicus Nov 2015 #111
Dem & Ind voters who actually watched the debate have Hillary winning over Bernie by 23 points. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #112
I always know what most Dems think about an issue by just applying the Opposite Rule here on DU Number23 Nov 2015 #119
LOL nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #121
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #117
That sounds about right. d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #118
Probably because it was one of the few sensible things he said as president. book_worm Nov 2015 #124

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
7. I thought it was a good debate,
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:05 AM
Nov 2015

and that they each did well. Of course, we look at these things through the lens of our own particular biases and viewpoints. I won't say anything negative about any of them. Each is infinitely preferable to any of Republican clowns.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
43. Weird...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:40 AM
Nov 2015

I became more disgusted with her.

The more I see and or hear Hillary, the more I am repelled.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
95. And THAT is exactly WHY DWS/DNC are limiting the few debates
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

...to time periods when no one will be watching.
They handlers KNOW that the more people see & hear Hillary talk, the less they like her.
The only way for her to win is to hide her from the people,
or only let her appear at scripted events.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
98. Same here
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:12 PM
Nov 2015

"The more I see and or hear Hillary, the more I am repelled."

This may be why DWS has scheduled so few debates.

relayerbob

(6,555 posts)
62. Agreed. All way better than the GOPpers
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:07 AM
Nov 2015

I can't imagine how insane things would be if one of the clowns was President right now. They'd probably start bombing Iran just because

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
8. I concur!
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:07 AM
Nov 2015

That was a fantastic debate! Bernie finally called Hillary out on her IWR vote, her Wall St. Connections and Glass-Steagall. She lost big.

Invoking 911 and the gender card in one sentence when asked about WALL St.! How pathetic and predictable.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
114. You cant be surprised. The gender card is all HERS; she's gonna play it!!
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:11 PM
Nov 2015

We knew this from the start when all were warned that using any adjective to describe Her would be called out as sexist

pa28

(6,145 posts)
9. Can't decide which of her responses to Wall Street influence peddling was worse.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:13 AM
Nov 2015

Was it invoking 911 or playing the gender card?

If anybody wondered what really gets under her skin I think we all know now.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
10. She lost her composure several times
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:14 AM
Nov 2015

something unexpected when she was practically handed a foreign policy gift horse for a debate subject.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
30. Boy did she.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:28 AM
Nov 2015

At one point I thought she was going to spit she was so mad at Bernie. She got it under control pretty quickly, but it wasn't a pretty sight.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
90. And Bernie mentioned "shouting"
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:57 PM
Nov 2015

and added a caveat that he was not referring to Hill. Lol, it just made her victim thing deflate.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
78. Yes, that was the worst incident. Reminiscent of cartoons
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:44 AM
Nov 2015

where steam shoots out of the character's ears. And you could hear an audible gasp from the audience when she told Sanders that he was trying to impugn her character. I bet former staffers of hers would have tales to tell of her temper.

askew

(1,464 posts)
79. That kind of eye rolling, glaring, etc. cost her dearly in debates against Obama.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:07 AM
Nov 2015

I think O'Malley came off very presidential tonight. Bernie is Bernie. He's gruff and shouts but is never rude or dismissive. And I thought he got under Hillary's skin a couple of times with being so overly gracious to her in an obvious counter to Hillary's team calling him out for being sexist after the last event.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
115. That seems to be a habit. She even did that during the hearings
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:13 PM
Nov 2015

Remember the head bobbing back and forth? Even it the scene is a joke, you're supposed to appear to take it seriously

askew

(1,464 posts)
120. Exactly. O'Malley and Sanders need to exploit this weakness. Get her to lose her temper
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:06 AM
Nov 2015

at the next debate. That is one of Obama's greatest political talents, to get his opponents to get angry enough to do something stupid.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
122. I agree! But Sanders has been SO reluctant to really press her.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:21 AM
Nov 2015

He's mostly been running this campaign like its a friendly card game in the garage. If he really wants to win, he has to showpeople why SHE is NOT the choice to make while he also points out why HE is.

askew

(1,464 posts)
123. That's one of the reasons I think Sanders has already reached his peak in polling.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:54 PM
Nov 2015

He hasn't been able to grow his support by talking about other issues. His answer on Paris in the debate being the primary example. He spent 10 seconds on Paris and then pivoted to his same stump speech. And he refuses to attack Hillary's positions. Totally frustrating.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
16. So what? Sanders won all the polls last debate,
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:19 AM
Nov 2015

but lost the debate big time.

What do you mean, that doesn't make sense?

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
22. Correction: he won non-scientific focus groups and online surveys.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:24 AM
Nov 2015

He didn't win representative polls with a large number of respondents drawn in random samples from registered voters.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
55. We were talking about the first debate -- not this one. It's too early to see any polls
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:58 AM
Nov 2015

about this one yet.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
24. Thanks for these and welcome to DU.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:25 AM
Nov 2015

And please take my friend MannyGoldstein's comment below with a grain of salt. He's teasing you lol.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
56. I'm surprised O'Malley's number don't look better
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:58 AM
Nov 2015

Of course, I agree with the way the OP ranked the candidates.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
15. I agree
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:19 AM
Nov 2015

also my wife and I were glad to see someone else get the last word this time. I tip my hat to CBS

spooky3

(34,476 posts)
18. According to CBS (reported near the end of the debate), she received her HIGHEST spike in approval
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:23 AM
Nov 2015

for what you are calling her "worst moment."

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
29. In "approval" or social media mentions?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:27 AM
Nov 2015

We were laughing our ass off at her. A ton of the tweets that registered as Hillary were Bernie folks mocking her and also the stunned disbelief that she invoked 9-11 as an excuse for her Wall Street contributions.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
61. No kidding?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:04 AM
Nov 2015

Who doesn't know that Wall Street prompted what happened on September 11, 2001.

I'm glad to see that she owns it.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
54. Worst Moment....
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:57 AM
Nov 2015

Have never seen a candidate justify 9/11 for taking Wall Street Donations? --- TWITTER QUESTION posted at Hillary!
She could not answer the question. Period!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
91. It always pisses me off
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:49 PM
Nov 2015

When a candidate is asked a specific question and doesn't answer it...they circle around it and turn it into a campaign propaganda speech that never even touches the question. It's one of the things I most despise about politicians...the inability to actually be honest in a confrontation.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
58. To be technical, if you are referring to the Twitter spike they talked about,
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:01 AM
Nov 2015

that would not be "Approval," but tweets. I would assume that not all of those tweets were positive though.

As far as Hillary goes, she is a smart, experienced politician and it does show, she hits her marks. Her problem is that not everyone is buying it now. It's just too hard a sell to explain all of the corporate/banking/M.I.C./oil company money! They have been paying her for so long for what then?

Bernie is Bernie

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
105. I think they said those spikes were
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 06:52 PM
Nov 2015

not good or bad but activity. It was when they had high internet hits but it did not indicate if it was because people liked it or disliked what was said.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
19. By far, the best yet
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:23 AM
Nov 2015

Of all the debates, this was the best(IMO). Excellent questions, well moderated, and then of course, Bernie kicked ass.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
20. I tend to agree
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:23 AM
Nov 2015

I thought all three did well, but Hillary stumbled on being indifferent to Wall Street donations (I don't believe her) and her position to Glass-Steagall (she is wrong and provides a reason for my not believing her about the influence of Wall Street donations on her judgment). So I give Mrr. C a respectable but definite third place.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
57. Worst Moment....
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:59 AM
Nov 2015

Have never seen a candidate justify 9/11 for taking Wall Street Donations? --- TWITTER QUESTION posted at Hillary!
She could not answer the question. Period!

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
59. No, I think that was a brief moment of truth from her.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:01 AM
Nov 2015

She wasn't prepared and the truth just rolled right off her tongue.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
26. Fucking A... And, HOW could you tell she was disingenuous at that point?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:26 AM
Nov 2015

Her LIPS were moving at that point!

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
32. Hell yes, she is compromised.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:32 AM
Nov 2015

She's compromised by more than Wall Street. Shes compromised by the fact that she is all about herself and has no feel of us.

n8dogg83

(248 posts)
33. This was Hillary at the debate tonight...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:32 AM
Nov 2015

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="

?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
34. She was freaking awful. At times, she seemed lost and kind of pissed off.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:33 AM
Nov 2015

Too often her little prefab talking points seemed like little prefab talking points. God-given potential, 911 and Wall Street, trying to scare people by saying that Sanders wants to get rid of Medicare--nobody was buying it.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
93. trying to scare people by saying that Sanders wants to get rid of Medicare
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:57 PM
Nov 2015

I wondered what the fuck she was on about there too. I mean really?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
36. DWS is likely
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:35 AM
Nov 2015

giving Hillary a post-match rubdown in the locker room - telling her what a champ she was!

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
106. she uses a lot of the republican
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

marketing 101 techniques. Simple soundbites, fear, saying blm names to try to keep that demographic, controlling debate parameters like number of them and poor time slots, though she getd help with party officials on that one, invoking 9/11 and women support, gearing answers according to polling, etc

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
49. Her Behavior Is Pathetic
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:50 AM
Nov 2015

I expect that crap from republicans not democrats. With her its hard to tell the difference. Very unseemly. Amazing to watch lemmings follow her off a cliff when there is a candidate with refreshing views out there as an alternative.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
83. I really wish I could believe that.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:21 AM
Nov 2015

I would like to believe it.

But in my heart I know different. It is clear.

It took me years to accept the truth. Now, looking back I can see the entire ruse of the 1990s and how it unfolded. Trust me on this.

Hillary? No.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
85. The Question Is The Answer
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:38 AM
Nov 2015

Not my fault some people dont realize how in bed with each other the Bush and Clinton families are. Stop telling people what they can and cannot say about a candidate because it doesnt fit in with YOUR narrative is what I would say to all the Clinton followers who try to censor any criticism. It just makes us bark louder.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
50. Affirm!!!
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:51 AM
Nov 2015

And the best thing is the Sanders get to follow up his STRONG performance again tomorrow on CBS --- Face The Nation!

gordyfl

(598 posts)
60. Hillary Better - First Time Around
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:01 AM
Nov 2015

First I'd like to say I thought Hillary did the best in the "first debate". She had been in over 20 national debates, and that experience showed. It helped her poll numbers.
I only saw the second half of this debate. Judging from what I saw, I didn't think she did as well this time around.

Bernie did noticeably better this debate than his first, which was his very first national debate. The biggest thing that's been holding Bernie back in poll numbers is his name recognition, or lack of. This debate will help with his name recognition.

I believe O'Malley's poll numbers will go up now. After this debate, he could take a portion of the Joe Biden voters who shifted to Hillary after Biden announced he would not run. He won't take as many voters from Bernie.

That's my guess. We'll have to wait and see the poll numbers.



JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
70. Every candidate has to eventually accept corporate money.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:42 AM
Nov 2015

...and gobs of it.

How can any presidential candidate run a campaign on nickels and dimes? The eventual democrat will face a republican contender with a nearly billion dollar war chest.

Hoping to fund such a high level campaign on $50 donations from the working class these days is an express ticket to a second place finish. I wish Sanders the best, but saying he'll always eschew corporate money in a run for the White House is short sighted indeed, and that includes panhandling on Wall Street the best he can.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
88. This is only the primary
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:15 AM
Nov 2015

If he can snag the nomination he obviously can't fly coach with his entourage and SS detail. The days of campaigning whistle stops and giving speeches from the caboose of a train have been gone for decades.

How do you imagine Sanders would pay even the media advertising? If he just relies on Facebook and word of mouth, only the devoted left who attends rallies will know who he is, and that can't win against a republican juggernaut with a national TV budget. Barring finance reform, the days of shoestring campaigns are gone forever.

People who believe Sanders will never accept big corporate cash must think he's not going to be the nominee, because one way or another he'll need a billion dollars, and his grassroots donors can't possibly scare up that much cash from couches and cookie jars. He'll need superpacs and corporate friends or he'll go down big.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
97. Well, if you say so
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know about you, but I've never been able to send the max donation ($2700) to a presidential candidate and likely never will. In a grassroots campaign he'll need five million people to donate $200 each. That's never happened in history, and he's said himself he hopes for a record 750,000 donors.

I can see why his supporters look to him for economic reform, they'll need to take a second job to get him elected.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
99. Money doesn't always beat votes
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:17 PM
Nov 2015

You get enough people interested in taking down the system, and you will get the votes, no matter how much the opposition spends. We are going to prove that dirty money does not have to win.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
100. Just like how Occupy Wall Street took down Bank of America?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:33 PM
Nov 2015

It's great to have ideals, but if such noble visions and soft money really translated into hard votes we'd have already enjoyed two terms in office for Ralph Nader.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
102. Not enough people behind Ralph Nader
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:56 PM
Nov 2015

It sounds like you've accepted defeat. You know the system is wrong and you are still willing to work within it.

I'm discouraged, but certainly not defeated. It's why Bernie speaks to me now. He has always been against the system, and the time is right for him now...many of us are out there just waiting for someone to speak for us. We are so ready to fight.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
113. So all is lost?? Is that what your point is? We are slaves to corp-America so learn
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 09:41 PM
Nov 2015

to live with it? There is a movement afoot, not just in the good ole USofA but across the world. People's are starting to stand up for freedom and liberties. We may die fighting but we will not be slaves.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
116. We need campaign finance reform.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:55 PM
Nov 2015

Until we put limits on how much can be spent or how long one can mount a campaign, expect every election to escalate in cost. This has nothing to do with movements or ideals, it's simply the nature of campaigning in a capitalistic society. It takes cash to get the message out and acquaint the voters with the candidate. Word of mouth doesn't work in a country of three hundred million who would prefer watching American Idol than a debate.

Some enthusiastic people may believe that'll all change in the coming months, but that's fantasy. Even if Bernie tries to avoid funding a capable campaign, his republican opponent will not. I wish Sanders well, but if he makes it to the final stretch he'll need superpacs and corporate money. There just isn't enough loose change lying in the grass roots to put him in the White House.

It may be a shame that Warren Buffet and other billionaire liberals can only donate $2700 unless they give it to a Bernie Sanders superpac, but that's the way it is now.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
71. A wonderfully civil thread and discussion on the debate.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:44 AM
Nov 2015

Now Isn't that Special?

I didn't see it, but I'm sure the video will posted here soon.

askew

(1,464 posts)
74. O'Malley was clear winner to me with the least amount of airtime.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:10 AM
Nov 2015

Moderator was really biased and wouldn't let O'Malley talk. Hillary got to interrupt and respond to everything and O'Malley got cut off. Yet, he did the most with the time he got.

1. O'Malley - Specific detailed proposals. Had the moment of the night with his comments on not calling soldiers "boots on the ground". Second moment was when he stood up proudly for Muslim Americans and for strong immigration reform and taking Syrian refugees. He also more than held his own on foreign policy. He also got the best attack moment when he explained Hillary's flip-flop-flip on gun control.

2. Sanders - Thought Sanders had a big miss on his opening statement. But, he really put Hillary on the ropes with Wall Street. He did a good job of setting up the Iraq War criticisms for Hillary and the

3. Hillary - She lost this debate pretty handedly. She tried to take credit for the OBL raid. That credit belongs to Obama who had to alone make the decision. Giving advice isn't even in the same realm. She tried to claim 9/11 was the reason for Wall Street reform. Wow, that was ugly.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
75. At one point they apologized to O'Malley for going to commercial and Hillary laughed....
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:14 AM
Nov 2015

That was not cool.

polynomial

(750 posts)
84. Hillary involking 911... thats funny
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:36 AM
Nov 2015

It’s really funny to characterize Hillary saying she invoked 911 for some economical magical political reason that fell flat. The reality is America’s economic system was paralyzed with indetermination on 911.

The center of the Bond market was in the Twin Towers disrupted, destroyed, and reconfigured by the GOP Republican Guard.

Voila, a convoluting master piece of media and political financial jam up of bailouts in a historical proportion that tapped the Treasury of trillions of dollars with a rampage of media lies.

A new genre of our time solidified on 911 that is supported by a resent apology from British Prime Minister Tony Blair admitting now he knows the Intelligence was compromised, and wrong.

Bush Crime Inc. with American money hatched the new culture of mental political disorder, engaged in war torture and misery called Al-Qaedaisis the natural for the military industrial complex profiteering machine.

Hillary made a vote to war on compromised Intelligence that was fabricated by Bush Crime Inc. That is the fly in the ointment.

It should also be part of the analysis that this whole debate process is more of the Hollywood Roast type, of American Idol sensationalism or just plain liar, liar, pants on fire grade school gaming.

PatrickforO

(14,587 posts)
89. It was a good debate, albeit held on a Saturday night during football season...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:51 PM
Nov 2015

thanks Debbie! It had only 7.22 million viewers when if you'd scheduled it on a week night we could have had 13 million like for the first one.

I think all the candidates did well. I am admittedly biased toward Bernie because I support him.

What was good about the debate is it stuck to issues in spite of a couple of attempts by the media propaganda heads to derail it.


Auggie

(31,186 posts)
96. The scheduling was a debacle
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:39 PM
Nov 2015

Democrats' message needs to be heard by as many fringe voters as possible.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
101. I'm quite sure she was not prepped on that particular line of questioning. Before Bernie, who
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:51 PM
Nov 2015

in politics ever discussed the corruption in government? Plus he went further making direct connection to the corrupt practice of trading votes for money as commonplace in DC.

I have no doubt the 9-11 reference was simply the first thing that sounded even the least bit plausible in a situation that demands a quick reply. This question and a series of various responses will be focus grouped and she will have a new and improved explanation any day now.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
111. she disgusted me in the 1st hour
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:56 PM
Nov 2015

apparently her supporters are thrilled with her warmongering justifications, non-support for single-payer, and $12MW.


SunSeeker

(51,698 posts)
112. Dem & Ind voters who actually watched the debate have Hillary winning over Bernie by 23 points.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 09:33 PM
Nov 2015
Immediately after Saturday night's Democratic debate, CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of debate watchers assembled by GfK's Knowledge Panel who identified themselves as Democrats or independents. By a 23 point margin, these debate watchers say Hillary Clinton won the debate. Fifty-one percent say Clinton won, compared to 28 percent who favor Bernie Sanders. Just 7 percent pick Martin O'Malley as the winner. Fourteen percent called it a tie.

The poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 674 voters who identified themselves as Democrat or independent who watched the debate.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/289745699/CBS-News-Poll-Hillary-Clinton-maintains-lead-among-Democrats-after-debate

Number23

(24,544 posts)
119. I always know what most Dems think about an issue by just applying the Opposite Rule here on DU
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:45 AM
Nov 2015

If majorities on DU say ANYTHING about an issue, I know immediately that most Dems feel the exact opposite.

Thanks for what has to be the 1 billionth confirmation of this principle.

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